Battlestar Galactica to the Big Screen?

[Darrell Lawrence]

Battlestar Galactica to the Big Screen?
Source: IGN Movies
February 20, 2009


IGN Movies (http://movies.ign.com/articles/953/953459p1.html) is reporting that Universal Pictures is planning to turn the TV series "Battlestar Galactica" into a feature film with series creator Glen A. Larson being lined up to script and produce it.

The film will be based on the original series from 1978-79 rather than the recent reboot from the SCI FI Channel. In the series, humanity lived on twelve colony worlds in a far distant star system. They fought a thousand-year war with the Cylons, warrior robots created by a reptilian race which expired long ago--presumably destroyed by their own creations. Having never been commanded to cease fire, these warrior robots continuously waged war against the colonials. Mankind was defeated in a sneak attack on their homeworlds conceived by these robotic servants, now referred to as Cylons, and carried out with the help of Count Baltar (John Colicos). Protected by the last surviving warship, a "battlestar" called Galactica, the survivors fled in any ship that could fly. The Commander of the Galactica, Adama (Lorne Greene), led this "rag-tag fugitive fleet" of 220 ships in search of a new home on a legendary planet called Earth. The series co-starred Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict.

You can read more on this here (http://movies.ign.com/articles/953/953459p1.html)

[Darrell Lawrence]

Is a 'Battlestar Galactica' Movie in the Works?
Rumors say big-screen version would follow original series
February 20, 2009

http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-battlestar-galactica-movie-in-works,0,528273.story?track=rss

This has all happened before, and "Battlestar Galactica" could happen again.

Rumors are swirling on outlets from IGN to The Hollywood Reporter about a possible deal between series creator Glen A. Larson and Universal to bring "Galactica" to the big screen. The kicker is, the movie would not follow Sci Fi's current series, but would instead play off of the original 1978 incarnation. While the Sci Fi series ends this spring, it's already spawned a prequel in "Caprica," as well as rumors of its own big-screen franchise.

Questions abound: Would the Sci Fi series go unacknowledged? How about "Galactica 1980," when the ragtag fleet finally did find Earth? Would Richard Hatch, who stars on the current series, reprise his Apollo role from the 1978 shows?

Universal was forthcoming about none of the above. Representatives from Sci Fi told Zap2it they hadn't heard anything about the plan either.

[Darrell Lawrence]

Universal in talks for 'Battlestar' movie
Glen A. Larson would write, produce the film
By Borys Kit
Feb 20, 2009, 06:28 PM ET

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i6c21c5456af55219d6f55a20baf1089a

Just as the acclaimed Sci Fi Channel series "Battlestar Galactica" enters its final episodes, Universal has quietly entered into negotiations with Glen A. Larson to write and produce a big-screen version of the property he created.

"Battlestar," which originally aired on ABC in 1978, was produced in the wake of the success of "Star Wars," which caused a sci-fi revival in popular culture. The premise involved a human civilization living on a series of 12 planets that are decimated from an attack by intelligent robots known as Cylons. The survivors are led by a starship called Galactica in their attempt to find a mythic 13th planet named Earth.

The Sci Fi series, under the direction of executive producer Ronald Moore, took the premise and ran with it, incorporating the politics of war, religion, torture and destiny, becoming the channel's signature series.

The movie effort would have no connection to the series and would relaunch the story in a new medium. However, staples such as the characters Adama, Starbuck, and Baltar will remain.

Larson was one of the biggest names in 1970s and '80s TV and creator of shows like "Switch" and "Magnum P.I."

Universal had no comment.

[Gemini1999]

This is interesting....

With all these announcements popping up in different places - places that are entertainment touchstones, but Universal has no comment?

There's a story there - I wonder how it will all pan out?

Bryan

[BST]

Puts a :) on my face, it does!

[monolith21]

I'm trying not to fly off the handle here and get too excited. However...this does seem to be more than the usual "its coming down the pipe" scenario. These are some pretty big news venues!

[Stevew]

I hope you are right Darrel. We have waited a long time for a real Sci-Fi and not some silly drama
:thumbsup:

[mikedx]

I wanted to share that I sent Richard Hatch the news link and asked him if he heard anything about it. He responded that he's heard lots of rumors, but who knows. And that Glen does have the movie rights. He said let's hope for the best.

Personally, I would love for this to happen. But I thought if there was any credence in the article, at least Richard would have been contacted about it. And we've heard Glen talk about this in the past without anything actually happening. I wonder about the timing of it as well, with the new series coming to an end and possible telemovies happening afterwards.

But with all that said, lets keep our fingers crossed! It would be a dream come true to see our heroes back in action.

[monolith21]

Well...Tom DeSanto and Glen Larson both suddenly have undisclosed (only for industry insiders...ooh ahh) "in development" credits on their IMDB pages. That and if there hasn't been an official announcement then it is more than likely that anyone involved has signed a non disclosure agreement so they naturally wouldn't say anything.

The next few weeks should be very interesting!

[Stevew]

There had been rumors a few years ago but they sorta died away. Lets hope it is true. It would be great to see the guys back on the screen again

[Darrell Lawrence]

Mike, why would Richard know anything/be contacted? His involvement has been with the SciFi version.

[Eric Paddon]

If I had a nickel for every rumor about a revival project since 1993 when Larson dropped a tantalizing hint at the 15 Yahren Con that drew applause and cheers from the crowd, I think I'd be rich by now. I have seen the fanbase of this show get burned and screwed so many times over the years while waiting with the patience of Job that innate cynicism and skepticism is the only reaction I can have to a story like this, that's phrased in the same kind of rumor way that all the previous ones were. In short, nothing substantive = no enthusiasm from me.

And also, if any of us recall how Larson was trying to push his theatrical vision a decade ago with the "walking vipers" concept and how he wasn't even interested in using any of the original cast and wanted to focus on the Pegasus, then that should also make us wonder if Larson is really going to do something that would measure up to the standard of what we've been hoping to see all these years which is (1) A simple continuation of the original with original cast members returning, not necessarily in big roles and (2) respect for the *continuity* of what was established in the series which has been ignored and disregarded by practically EVERY person who has done an official Galactica project in the book and comics realm for the last decade (an exception being the early Max Press Comics and the short-lived Scalf comic. The less said about Hatch's novels and the Dynamite Press comic, the better though).

[Gemini1999]

I wanted to share that I sent Richard Hatch the news link and asked him if he heard anything about it. He responded that he's heard lots of rumors, but who knows. And that Glen does have the movie rights. He said let's hope for the best.

Personally, I would love for this to happen. But I thought if there was any credence in the article, at least Richard would have been contacted about it. And we've heard Glen talk about this in the past without anything actually happening. I wonder about the timing of it as well, with the new series coming to an end and possible telemovies happening afterwards.

But with all that said, lets keep our fingers crossed! It would be a dream come true to see our heroes back in action.

I noticed that too when it came to those IMDB pages as well. I have a small part of me that's very hopeful about this. I wasn't around the online community until right before the 2003 miniseries, so I didn't suffer the emotional "traumas" suffered by most. I've never felt anything but open mindedness towards the day when someone will finally get around to it. If nothing else, the speculation does give folks something to talk about besides politics and the weather. It's been way too quiet around here.

Bryan

[ernie90125]

I'm hopeful...

That's all I'll allow myself to feel though, just hope. Not excitement, but also not despair, just hope.

[BST]

If I had a nickel for every rumor about a revival project since 1993 when Larson dropped a tantalizing hint at the 15 Yahren Con that drew applause and cheers from the crowd, I think I'd be rich by now. I have seen the fanbase of this show get burned and screwed so many times over the years while waiting with the patience of Job that innate cynicism and skepticism is the only reaction I can have to a story like this, that's phrased in the same kind of rumor way that all the previous ones were. In short, nothing substantive = no enthusiasm from me.

And also, if any of us recall how Larson was trying to push his theatrical vision a decade ago with the "walking vipers" concept and how he wasn't even interested in using any of the original cast and wanted to focus on the Pegasus, then that should also make us wonder if Larson is really going to do something that would measure up to the standard of what we've been hoping to see all these years which is (1) A simple continuation of the original with original cast members returning, not necessarily in big roles and (2) respect for the *continuity* of what was established in the series which has been ignored and disregarded by practically EVERY person who has done an official Galactica project in the book and comics realm for the last decade (an exception being the early Max Press Comics and the short-lived Scalf comic. The less said about Hatch's novels and the Dynamite Press comic, the better though).


Eric,

Long time, no talk to.. hope all is well with you and the family. :)


I can understand and appreciate the skepticism by a lot of folks .. there does seem to be a little different atmosphere this time, though.

Not sure where it will lead but, given the less than stellar record of Moore's show and its dwindling audience / rating numbers, the school of thought employed by Universal may be shifting to something more 'hopeful'.

At any rate, good to see you again!

[Eric Paddon]

Thanks, Pete, sorry I've been kind of incommunicado here of late as my Galactica activity is more confined to fanfic lists nowadays. Of course if there is substance to this AND if Larson is approaching this differently from a decade ago, that will certainly I think bring a lot of us inactive members back into the fold to discuss the possibilities of what might come from it.

But in the meantime, caution must be the word of the day for all of us.

[monolith21]

This time around does seem to be a bit different doesn't it? I mean before it has always just been Glen saying that he was working on it. This time around it has the studio attached to it. The critical acclaim of the new show (granted...not the ratings) may have helped or it may not have. All I know is that this news seems a bit more trustworthy than that last few times around.

[Senmut]

I'm hopeful...

That's all I'll allow myself to feel though, just hope. Not excitement, but also not despair, just hope.

Ditto, ernie. Feelin' the same.

[Senmut]

The Sci-Fi channel abomination could be referenced as a bad sit-com, from the IFB. :D

[Gemini1999]

This time around does seem to be a bit different doesn't it? I mean before it has always just been Glen saying that he was working on it. This time around it has the studio attached to it. The critical acclaim of the new show (granted...not the ratings) may have helped or it may not have. All I know is that this news seems a bit more trustworthy than that last few times around.

That's the feeling I get from it. In recent years, it was usually someone that had met Larson at a con or something and was given the "I've got something in the works" statement, which got passed around and nothing ever came of it.

The idea that it's coming via entertainment media outlets in one form or another - and more than one at the same time is somewhat heartening. I know that caution is warranted as Eric pointed out, but it is nice to think that there might be a bright spot on the horizon for original series fans. Online BSG fandom has dwindled to a very small number in terms of the original. Too many people feeling cheated, disillusioned, or just plain tired of it all.

The original series always had a message of hope to it. I intend to follow that spirit and I have hope for this as well. I think that the original hasn't been forgotten and hasn't seen it's final days as yet.

I'll "keep a light on" for the day when we get the movie we all hoped to get.

Bryan

[monolith21]

So how do we re-energize the fan base to get 'em talking about this again? I think unfortunately its the major movers and shakers that are sort of burnt out. Rightfully so, they did a lot and got slapped in the face for their efforts.

What about running another ad?

[Aussie Warrior]

The original BSG formula would need major retooling to work in the modern day market, the Galactica's interior would need modifying but still need to be familiar to fans, the Cylons would need changing (no human looking ones though) or add a new line of Cylons to go with the old, additions to the original cast is needed, a few variations of the Vipers (no walking ones) and Raiders would be nice.

I hope it can be done and we get something sooner rather than later, the CGI that people show in the forum is just proof it can definitely work

[mikedx]

Warrior, I just assumed that if they were doing a movie based on the original series, that some of the original actors would have been at least contacted to see if they were interested and/or available. I asked Terry Carter as well but haven't heard back from him yet.

But I readily admit that I don't know anything about how the process works. Maybe they wouldn't start casting until they got a green light for the project...

I also agree with mono's post being used to hearing Glen talk about something in the works without results. But hope for the best.

[conconcv66]

maybe gino was a bad dream that apollo had. i hope this comes true

[Titon]

This has been the talk for quite sometime now. The interesting parts will come in the version of Tom's involvement down the line. Glen does not have it anymore and the only way this get's done correctly is if DeSanto is a part of it. Which "if true" his name will surface along with an official notice.

Universal know's they dropped the ball on Galactica and now it's time to do it right. Unfortunately it will have to be changed because it's to far down the line for some. But if done right it would dwarf the scifi remake.

Interesting how this suddenly surfaces with the scifi version finally winding down.

;)

[ernie90125]

Thanks Don for tantalising us even more....:-)

When you say "Glen does not have it anymore" do you mean the rights ?

Any idea the timeframe of when more announcements/rumours will happen ?

[BST]

The original BSG formula would need major retooling to work in the modern day market, the Galactica's interior would need modifying but still need to be familiar to fans, the Cylons would need changing (no human looking ones though) or add a new line of Cylons to go with the old, additions to the original cast is needed, a few variations of the Vipers (no walking ones) and Raiders would be nice.

I hope it can be done and we get something sooner rather than later, the CGI that people show in the forum is just proof it can definitely work

With all due respect, I dispute that. Ron Moore has had over 5 years, from the time of mini-series to now, and has "re-tooled" the original BSG formula. Where has it gotten him (at the end of his series run) ?

Frankly, I think that a healthy dose of "feel good" shows and some true epic heroism is what this country needs, not just another dose of Hollywood-scripted "reality". When I want reality, I watch the news or read the news reports, I don't flip on the Sci-Fi channel.

[KJ]

This has been the talk for quite sometime now. The interesting parts will come in the version of Tom's involvement down the line. Glen does not have it anymore and the only way this get's done correctly is if DeSanto is a part of it. Which "if true" his name will surface along with an official notice.

Universal know's they dropped the ball on Galactica and now it's time to do it right. Unfortunately it will have to be changed because it's to far down the line for some. But if done right it would dwarf the scifi remake.

Interesting how this suddenly surfaces with the scifi version finally winding down.

My thoughts exactly, my good man!

Although i can't complain, we've all asked for this kind news to drop soon as the Sci-Fi Channel Re-imagining version as winding down anyways. But yes, Larson name attacked to this alone wouldn't be enough given past histories of the struggle to even get one BSG movie done in the past 30 plus years, let alone surely several to kick start a new franchise of BSG theatrical movies.

Nice to know something dropped, but until some really big new about it all truly drops online, with pictures, casting news, official announcements etc. I wouldn't go through the pain yet again of another disappointment until things are well and truly underways at all.

Several other sci-fi genre films announced long before this by a few years ago, haven't even reached pre-production stage, or even got any finnancing done yet? Think we're all experienced enough not to jump or hype anything up, until ALOT more is known. Cos we're all well aware, even film or TV shows in development can be stopped even if they're a mere 2 weeks away from filming etc.

Even a greenlit BSG movie would be realistically years away still, but its nice to know that old TV show is alive and kicking in Hollywood as of 2009 by those who still give a damn.

KJ

[Titon]

Thanks Don for tantalising us even more....:-)

When you say "Glen does not have it anymore" do you mean the rights ?

Any idea the timeframe of when more announcements/rumours will happen ?

What i meant by this was that Glen doesn't have the pull in hollywood to make this happen on his own. He needs a hot name to get it to the screen the "right" way.

No one hotter than mister DeSanto.

[Titon]

With all due respect, I dispute that. Ron Moore has had over 5 years, from the time of mini-series to now, and has "re-tooled" the original BSG formula. Where has it gotten him (at the end of his series run) ?

Frankly, I think that a healthy dose of "feel good" shows and some true epic heroism is what this country needs, not just another dose of Hollywood-scripted "reality". When I want reality, I watch the news or read the news reports, I don't flip on the Sci-Fi channel.


Pete's right here. I would say that there will need to be some changes but all in all there needs to be less than you think. This show done right can live off the look and feel of the original. No more reinventing please. I've seen enough of that over the years that's for sure.

I could really use a good "escape from reality" right now. The last few years have kind of sucked.

:(

[KJ]

No one hotter than mister DeSanto.

Agreed!

Although, does he have another credit on the 'Transformers 2' sequel, as i've heard he's got other projects on his plate (Teen Titans DTV DVD/Blu-Ray), and the sequel will no doubt rake in more dollars, regardly of Michael Bay's very questionable directing skills and stupid comical bits. DeSanto getting another credit on TF2 for example would only enhance his firepower getting a multi-million dollar BSG movie (of the 1978 original) made for real, once TF2 makes even more money this summer!

I agree with Titon, less re-imaginning and far more scope of the original series themes, along with today's technological advances in making big budget movies for $100 and $150 million dollars.

Making a Galactica movie with CGI and all the 21st century digital computer applications would be sweet, also if you include the lure of big budget Sci-Fi movie being show on the IMAX format or digital 3D screens. Done right, the 1978 series with its themes translated for the big screen in the 21st century is a no-brainer.

Why hollywood and its producers never capitised on this when many TV shows are given this treatment (even the questionable ones) today, constantly suprises me.

KJ

[StarshipTrooper]

Even the Sci-Fi Channel is playing dumb...

* * *

As SCI FI's Battlestar ends, is Universal adapting another for the movies?

Just as SCI FI's acclaimed series Battlestar Galactica enters its final episodes, Universal has quietly entered into negotiations with original series creator Glen A. Larson to write and produce a big-screen version of the franchise, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

The movie would reportedly have no connection to the SCI FI series and would relaunch the story in a new medium with the characters Adama, Starbuck and Baltar.

Larson produced the original Battlestar, a kid-friendly ABC show, in 1978, in the wake of the success of Star Wars.

SCI FI's series, under the direction of executive producer Ronald Moore, took the premise but completely changed the franchise into an adult drama with themes of politics, war, religion, torture and destiny.

Universal had no comment to the Reporter.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/02/as-sci-fis-battlestar-ends-is-universal-adapting-another-for-the-movies.php

[ernie90125]

Universal know's they dropped the ball on Galactica and now it's time to do it right.

It's always occurred strange to me that, as the Star Wars films were making a huge amount of money at the Box Office, at the time they had two billion dollar movie helmers (Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto) working on the show......they choose to drop a Battlestar continuation and go for a 'remake' ?

Has Ron Moore's remake made a Billion Dollars ?
No.

Has Tom DeSanto got a track record of working on movies which have earned a Billion Dollars ?
Yes.

Something tells me that as soon as this 'sliding in the ratings' remake is over, they'll still keep making money from the DVDs, but they'll also give Tom DeSanto this project and say "Go make us a billion dollars"

:smart:

[jjrakman]

I have to say I just have a sinking feeling that these "negotiations" will turn into Larson selling the movie rights to Universal so they can push out a movie based on the series that shall not be named. That Larson is simply sabre-rattling to get the asking price up.

But this is pure speculation on my part, I'm sure there's others better in the know.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's Jaeson!

:rotf:

So who's girlfriend are you trying to steal now?

:salute:

[jjrakman]

:rotf:

So who's girlfriend are you trying to steal now?

:salute:

What!?!?? :rotf:

[ernie90125]

I hope its not Tom DeSanto's girlfriend, or he might get jolly upset and change his mind !!!

:rotf:

[Gemini1999]

I have to say I just have a sinking feeling that these "negotiations" will turn into Larson selling the movie rights to Universal so they can push out a movie based on the series that shall not be named. That Larson is simply sabre-rattling to get the asking price up.

But this is pure speculation on my part, I'm sure there's others better in the know.

Jaeson -

The only problem with that is that TNS has completely wrapped production. They've even already completed filming for a direct to DVD movie that's due out this summer. The sets have been torn down, costumes, props, etc are being sold off. If Universal was going to do their own feature film based off the current series, I find it difficult to believe that they would want to start completely over just for one film.

I'm hopeful about the movie announcement and unless someone can come up with something concrete that says otherwise, that's where my head is at with it.

Bryan

[monolith21]

Larson spent a pretty penny getting the rights from Universal. I don't think he's going to turn around and give 'em back.

[jjrakman]

I don't want to piss in anybody's cornflakes, but...

Don't productions tear down and rebuild sets all the time?

I do have to say, it's kind of wierd that they tore down the sets, if onlybecause they're continuing on with Caprica, and I'd imagine they'd want to put out some more direct to DVD movies.

Anyway, National Kick A Galactica Fan In The Crotch Day is coming up on April 2nd, so I won't be holding my breath.

[jjrakman]

Larson spent a pretty penny getting the rights from Universal. I don't think he's going to turn around and give 'em back.

Unless it means a sizable profit.

[BST]

There is reason for optimism.....

and there is reason for skepticism.


We are all familiar with the past and, many times, use it as our guide for how to proceed in the future.

My advice.. don't be too euphoric or skeptical.

"Give it a chance".......... :P: :duck:

(Runs like hell!!!!)

[monolith21]

Ouch!:LOL:

[Aussie Warrior]

With all due respect, I dispute that. Ron Moore has had over 5 years, from the time of mini-series to now, and has "re-tooled" the original BSG formula. Where has it gotten him (at the end of his series run) ?

Frankly, I think that a healthy dose of "feel good" shows and some true epic heroism is what this country needs, not just another dose of Hollywood-scripted "reality". When I want reality, I watch the news or read the news reports, I don't flip on the Sci-Fi channel.

I had meant only visual changes , the story, original actors roles, character names etc would not need to be changed at all.

I won't go deeply into the whole did RDM do good or bad thing but i will say i was happy with what i seen from a show standpoint but it didn't change my love of the original one bit but i believe that a good study of the show and what we seen in The Second Coming and the DeSanto/Singer effort could help a future original movie because you can say well this sort of sexual stuff is out, first names out, Vipers like the ones in Second Coming are in so you take the best bits and add them in the mix with the 1978/79 story etc and voila one original movie with new tech added for continuing the story 30 years after Hand of God.

We all been presented an opportunity here, sure the story is only a rumor but the people can say they want the rumor to be fact but we'll have to move fast since time stops for nobody and i am aware people been hearing reports like this for years only to be let down but the opportunities are getting fewer as the years go by and if we the fans want the original Galactica the time has to be now while people are still discussing the pros and cons of such an idea and not while the attention is firmly on BSG/Caprica.

[Stevew]

I sure hope you guys are right. The 2 trailers that were made show what can be done with so little. Just give Tom and Glen the green light and they will make a masterpiece.
Real Sci-Fi and not some stupid distorted drama. The original was inspirational and thats what we need right now

[BST]

I had meant only visual changes , the story, original actors roles, character names etc would not need to be changed at all.



Ok, *whew!!

;)




I won't go deeply into the whole did RDM do good or bad thing but i will say i was happy with what i seen from a show standpoint but it didn't change my love of the original one bit but i believe that a good study of the show and what we seen in The Second Coming and the DeSanto/Singer effort could help a future original movie because you can say well this sort of sexual stuff is out, first names out, Vipers like the ones in Second Coming are in so you take the best bits and add them in the mix with the 1978/79 story etc and voila one original movie with new tech added for continuing the story 30 years after Hand of God.

We all been presented an opportunity here, sure the story is only a rumor but the people can say they want the rumor to be fact but we'll have to move fast since time stops for nobody and i am aware people been hearing reports like this for years only to be let down but the opportunities are getting fewer as the years go by and if we the fans want the original Galactica the time has to be now while people are still discussing the pros and cons of such an idea and not while the attention is firmly on BSG/Caprica.


Keep the Larson Galactica just the way it is!!! ;)

I'll agree that some of the interior could stand to be updated but, overall, I liked the differences in style aboard the Galactica and some of the other ships that were shown. I certainly don't want to see common, ordinary, Earth-like items on board (like corded telephone handsets).

However, it would be nice if there were some direct references, perhaps pictures, of ancient Earth artifacts that show Kobolian roots, to tie Earth in as the 13th tribe.

[Titon]

Updating material is always good but remember IF it's a continuation just how much of the old girl can you physically update?

I like Tom's redesigns but there's only so much of her you can change.

Hopefully we'll get a chance to see her fly again finally!

[Stevew]

I totally agree BST and nix the neck ties as well
:D

[Stevew]

Don
Maybe your "G" and Ken's bridge

[dah66]

I'll believe this once I have seen the movie, read the novelization, and own the DVD.

;)

[jjrakman]

I had meant only visual changes , the story, original actors roles, character names etc would not need to be changed at all.


If they do a remake, I actually wouldn't mind if they stayed closer to the novelization and brought more of the reptilian aspects of the Cylons in.

Updating material is always good but remember IF it's a continuation just how much of the old girl can you physically update?

For the exterior, just greater detail I would think. For the interior, it would probably depend on if it's a remake or continuation.

If a remake, you could probably go hog wild to a point.

If a Continuation, I imagine it would be much like remodeling a house. Some old elements remain, some old elements are removed, some new elements are added.

[Aussie Warrior]

Interior changes would also have to depend on what the Galactica done in the 30 years after Hand of God like did the Galactica and fleet have time to stop, did they continuing travelling always scrambling to be ahead the Cylons?

If they kept going I think the bridge wouldn't be like the DeSanto/Singer idea because the Galactica would have to been stopped for a long time to effect such overhauls because well you need the Bridge unless they worked elsewhere during the overhaul

[jewels]

"Give it a chance".......... :P: :duck:

(Runs like hell!!!!)

***waits till BST's lost his sense of caution***

THWACK!

Just hang in there and give TPTB a couple of weeks to sort it out. And smile a little and hope a little just because it's been a few years since you've had that opportunity as a BSG fan.

[kingfish]

This does sound like good news if TRUE. Hopefully the original cast would be involved in the project and not new actors playing the characters we all still like to this day. Tom Desanto would also be a great addition to the project since Transformers rocked IMHO. I also remember that Larson did make mention of a continuation in an interview at the digital bits a while back.

[AlternityOrange]

I'm not whistling dixie yet. But at least I'm whistling.

[oldwardaggit]

Maybe it will look something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_f83EabHE

Just hopefully it won't be as long of an intro. lol

OWD

[Malkyte]

Hey Guys-

Long time no post! ;) I am fairly simple minded and can handle only one board at a time! ;) But I thought I would come by and see how the other half lives!

As many, I am cautiously optimistic. Until there is more concrete news though, that is where I'll stay.

Of course that didn't stop me from getting in a few 'points' in one of the original announcement's comment section. ;)

With all that said, I would like to throw out a few words of caution around expectations. Odds are, whatever we see will be different. To what extent, I have no idea.

But judging the direction Star Trek is now taking, I don't think it is far fetched to believe that the Ol'Girl will get a similar treatment.

Anyway, I will try to be a little more neighborly and stop by more often!


Malkyte

[jewels]

Good to see you here, Malkyte!

I think your caution is well-warranted, although it does help when people in charge of a project "get" and even strengthen what made the central story resonate. I'm hopeful we will see that on Trek. With the right folks involved, we could have it out of a "new" classic Galactica. At least that's my hope.

[Lara]

While I don't want a re visitation of the crushing disappointments of the past, I'm also wary of pouring too much cold water on expectation, either, and extinguishing the fire that still burns: I WANT to see modern cgi enhance a intelligent retelling of a inspirational story.

If we aren't seen to be open minded and at least a little positive, the nay sayers will declare the original fandom is dried up and dead and the continuation/update the old version opportunity will lose traction in favour of the interests of another target market.

I'm all for 'vocal expectant caution'


Cheers,
Lara

[monolith21]

Ya know...I've suffered all the same let downs since the mid nineties when I first got involved with the whole idea, and part of me is waiting for the other shoe to drop. However...I can't shake the feeling of excitement this time around. As much as I try to not get my hopes up I'm pretty stoked. Even if its just because all the "cousin it" only fans have their proverbial undergarments in a bunch about it. I just want them to hear what they are saying..."why fix it if it isn't broken" was my fav.

Tom DeSanto showing up at Comic Con and Galacticruise to discuss "the future of Galactica" sort of lead me to believe that he wasn't finished with this by a long shot. I just hope that this has something to do with him!

[KJ]

This does sound like good news if TRUE. Hopefully the original cast would be involved in the project and not new actors playing the characters we all still like to this day.

True.

If DeSanto has a bit of Tarantino in him, he'll be able to take the nearly "forgotten" TV stars cast (to other people out there and not us) and revitilised them and make'em look and special in such a multi-million dollar hollywood sci-i epic motion picture.

Richard Hatch, might be a bit of a hard sell cos of his involvement in the re-imaginning/GINO series, but even Richard, is a vital part of the original series or any revitalised big budget movie project based on the original series, in the long run simply for continuity reasons.

KJ

[Malkyte]

Hi Jewels! Good to be here! Will try to be more so! :)



I absolutely agree that we should be vocal and excited as much as one can get.

My point was more to the idea to remain openminded about what we might get, as Lara has pointed out too.

Over the years, different people were expecting different things... a continuation, a remake etc.

It created friction, splintering abd discord in fandom, forcing some to leave it for good.

My words of caution were to those that are setting higher than realisticly possible expectation for themselves and others around them.

Again, given the current direction of remakes ie Batman and Star Trek, I believe certain scenarios are more likely then others, and I am just saying that people need to be prepared for that.


Malkyte

[Gemini1999]

Denes -

It's nice to see you posting here again...!

I know that everyone that was around prior to the 2003 miniseries and the disappointment that most felt back then when the DeSanto/Singer series was obviously not gonna happen is making them cautious - I can appreciate that very much.

I just have to say, I'm really excited at the possibility of a new BSG project getting off the ground. I know that there's a long way to go in that respect, but if anything, it's rekindled my feelings for the original series. I even pulled out the DVD set and watched "Saga of a Star World" the other night.

I know that we have no idea of the direction that such a project might take - remake, continuation, etc., and we obviously don't have any input into where that will go. Looking backwards and reading comments regarding Larson's, Hatch's, or even DeSanto's version of BSG, not everyone was pleased with details, but in the end, at least it was something based on and closer to the original series than the Skiffy product turned out to be.

I guess that the hard part of making a new project from something that was well loved and remembered is that in the process of updating it, there's bound to be some folks that won't be happy with it. Then again, there will be a group of folks that will be happy with what comes of it. As Denes pointed out, the recent batch of remakes of Batman and Star Trek are very different than the originals. In terms of Batman, it's been very successful since Batman Begins and where Star Trek is concerned, that's yet to be proven - I have a feeling that it couldn't do worse than the last Trek film though.

Knowing that the creator of the original, Glen Larson and the idea of Tom DeSanto being onboard for this project really buoys me up in terms of what we might expect, even though it may not be exactly what each of us individually expects of such a project. I know that wer're probably gonna see some interesting conversations (both pro and con) when this project gets launched. We'll just have to weather those tempests when and if they come along.

Again, I can't help but be excited about this!

Bryan

[Malkyte]

Hey Bryan! :)


I just though I would share with everyone, that I am listening to the 4 CD BSG Soundtrack Anthology!!!

It's quite brilliant, you know?! ;)



Malkyte

[Gemini1999]

Hey Bryan! :)


I just though I would share with everyone, that I am listening to the 4 CD BSG Soundtrack Anthology!!!

It's quite brilliant, you know?! ;)

Denes -

I have that too... It'll probably follow me to work in my car CD player this week. It's been awhile since I listened to it.

Nothing like a bit of Stu Phillips to cheer you up, eh?

Bryan

[jewels]

Tom was at Galacticruise? Coolness! He's a neat one to meet.

[larocque6689]

If I had a nickel for every rumor about a revival project since 1993 when Larson dropped a tantalizing hint at the 15 Yahren Con that drew applause and cheers from the crowd, I think I'd be rich by now. I have seen the fanbase of this show get burned and screwed so many times over the years while waiting with the patience of Job that innate cynicism and skepticism is the only reaction I can have to a story like this, that's phrased in the same kind of rumor way that all the previous ones were. In short, nothing substantive = no enthusiasm from me.

And also, if any of us recall how Larson was trying to push his theatrical vision a decade ago with the "walking vipers" concept and how he wasn't even interested in using any of the original cast and wanted to focus on the Pegasus, then that should also make us wonder if Larson is really going to do something that would measure up to the standard of what we've been hoping to see all these years which is (1) A simple continuation of the original with original cast members returning, not necessarily in big roles and (2) respect for the *continuity* of what was established in the series which has been ignored and disregarded by practically EVERY person who has done an official Galactica project in the book and comics realm for the last decade (an exception being the early Max Press Comics and the short-lived Scalf comic. The less said about Hatch's novels and the Dynamite Press comic, the better though).

I frankly would have greater faith in tihs project if Glen Larson didn't have his name attached to it. But that's simply based on his track record. Didn't he makne an announcement about two years ago on his theatrical rights? Oh... I described the walking Vipers / IMAX project of his in 2001 as the first attempt at a "GINO".

[Eric Paddon]

Nice to see you're still around too, John!

This refreshed my memory a good deal:

http://members.tripod.com/john_larocque/tns/larsonmoyer.html

[larocque6689]

Yeah, and then there's Bonnie Hammer's Biodomes.

http://members.tripod.com/john_larocque/tns/biodomes.html

[Gemini1999]

Yeah, and then there's Bonnie Hammer's Biodomes.

http://members.tripod.com/john_larocque/tns/biodomes.html

Oh my....

That was some time ago. I'm impressed John - we haven't seen you in ages, then someone mentions a Galactica film and it's like "old home" week around here! Nice to see that you're still around.

Bryan

[larocque6689]

Yeah, some of us never disappear! I'm less engaged with this stuff than I used to, but there's nothing like a piece of fresh news to garner my attention.

I should probably hang around Fleets more, though (apologies to Titon and Dawg... ) But I'm still around at places like Moist, Skiffy and GalacticaBS (which I converted into a half-Whedon board).

Anyway, I'm very happy that communities like Fleets are still around to service fans of the original series. It's a good place.

[monolith21]

Looks like this thread is bringing out most of the heavy hitters! (Not that I count myself as one). Gotta love any news that does that.

[Dawg]

John - your email here is kicking back. Want to check into that?

(Sorry for the interruption - please continue.)

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[larocque6689]

That reminds me... email? Yes I shall have to remedy that tomorrow (Thursday)

[Damocles]

I'm watching the announcements with interest and skepticism.

[Wildcard]

My honest hope is that Universal is actually negotiating with Larson to acquire the movie rights from him. In which case a DeSanto type project becomes a whole lot more believable(and doable) in my opinion.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I'm a divorced guy with a boat ... and I've heard this story before.


Russell

[oldwardaggit]

I'm a divorced guy with a boat ... and I've heard this story before.


Russell

Holly crap Sandy. Where have you been and send me an email LOL .I reformated my computer and I think I lost your email. :)

OWD

[LordStarFyre]

Hehehehe Wel, I guess the "bit of news" has drawn more than a few of us back into the Land of the Living.

That, and the end of the Moore thing.

I've een following things, albeit from a distance.

Kinda had to for awhile.

BTW, I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere here (if it was, forgive my stooooooopidness) but Richard's Trailer is up on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIyzTO4zhU&feature=related

[Dawg]

Now there's a name I haven't seen in awhile.

Welcome home to a prodigal son.... or something... ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[LordStarFyre]

:) That's Dawg.

Yeap, I was out fighting battles in the "Real" World.

Saw the latest bit of news as a Call to Arms, so to speak, albeit keeping myself from getting too anxious just yet.

BST saw me posting over on the IGN board to someone claiming to be our old "friend" Milton James :) Only this tim, Milty was using his old lines in defence of a new movie based on the Real Galactica and not the RDM thing.

[LordStarFyre]

oops That's Thanks Dawg...

Geez, I'm getting OLD

[Gemini1999]

LSF -

Good to see you!

See, now this is what I was talking about....it's almost like "getting the band back together". This is what we need more of. More people coming back and more people providing input and support when this film deal is made. It just wouldn't be any fun if there was a film being made and nobody wanting to see it.

I love this place!

Bryan

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Hehehehe Wel, I guess the "bit of news" has drawn more than a few of us back into the Land of the Living.

That, and the end of the Moore thing.

I've een following things, albeit from a distance.

Kinda had to for awhile.

BTW, I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere here (if it was, forgive my stooooooopidness) but Richard's Trailer is up on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIyzTO4zhU&feature=related


OH MY FREAKIN' GOD!!!

You sir had better PM me your phone number.

I'll call you next week.

All my best,


Russell

[jewels]

BSG: TSC. After all this time. It's finally up on youTube in a non-pirated-looking way. Finally found the appropriate internet home—the internet video site the whole world watches.

LSF: golly it's good to see you around, alive, and kicking.

Good to see you too, Larocque.

I'm beginning to think the rumor was worth it, just so all of us could get together 1 more time. (though I hope it's not the last time).
Jewels

[gmd3d]

Lots of name I have not seen in a long time .. great to see them back .. :)

[conconcv66]

Hehehehe Wel, I guess the "bit of news" has drawn more than a few of us back into the Land of the Living.

That, and the end of the Moore thing.

I've een following things, albeit from a distance.

Kinda had to for awhile.

BTW, I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere here (if it was, forgive my stooooooopidness) but Richard's Trailer is up on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIyzTO4zhU&feature=related
OMG i've finally seen it. tears in my eyes now:cry:

[LordStarFyre]

Hi Jewels!!!

Yes, I'm alive and kicking. I think I've been in hybernation long enough.

For some reason, this latest bit of news felt different from "bygone" news flashes.

Things like the fact that Scifi opted to shut down RDMs thing at season 4, rather than extending it to season 5 as RDM had anticipated.

That it's devolved into something worse than even some of us had imagined it could be, irregardless of the hype from the "Milty" types.

Also, this Caprica thing looks like a 1/2 to one full season at best. (Remember, David Eick was responsible for that Bionic Woman re-imagining..... Ah, Yuck)

:) Maybe all that, and maybe this Old Warrior has one good fight left in him.

Now, is there a good way to let Larson and DeSanto know that theres a load of us out here who aren't a bunch of Re-Imagineers?!?!?!

[monolith21]

It gives me some hope to see some of your screen names popping up again. It feels like a kind of mobilization. Got kind of quiet around here for a while!

[Stevew]

The band is here and ready to play. It shows the love for TOS is alive and well
Great to see some of the old horses back on the track
:)

[BST]

The band is here and ready to play. It shows the love for TOS is alive and well
Great to see some of the old horses back on the track
:)


Absolutely agreed, sir. :) :salute:


The way we've been treated by the media and by the Ginoids reminds me of Stallone in some of the "Rocky" movies. We've got our share of bumps and bruises but, guess what -- it's the 15th round and we're still standing!!

:)

[Stevew]

If this turns out to be true, I can see a huge movement of support

[oldwardaggit]

I feel a post-athon coming on. :)

OWD

[conconcv66]

I feel a post-athon coming on. :)

OWD
Lets get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stevew]

I am in

[Malkyte]

The band is here and ready to play. It shows the love for TOS is alive and well
Great to see some of the old horses back on the track
:)


I think this says it well!

Even though we have been marginalized by many, this fanbase is still buzzing with life after 30 years, and even the slightest of chances that we may get to see the Ol'Girl on the big screen has brought us out of the wood works!

I sincerely doubt that another show [cough, cough], will have similar longevity. ;)

I think that's a true testament to the original BSG!


Malkyte

[Stevew]

Malkyte
Very nice
:):)

[JSC1]

OH MY FREAKIN' GOD!!!

You sir had better PM me your phone number.

I'll call you next week.

All my best,


Russell

Get it quick. It may not be up for long.

It appeared before and was taken down. It's up again, so either watch it or download it quickly.

I've been posting my thoughts on this at the Tombs of Kobol board. I'm going into this with reservations. Meaning if the rug is pulled out I won't be too dissapointed.

Still I can't help but talk about it.

[Gemini1999]

Get it quick. It may not be up for long.

It appeared before and was taken down. It's up again, so either watch it or download it quickly.

I was able to save the trailer on my hard drive the last time it was on You Tube. There was no telling if it would ever be seen again and I had to wait nearly 10 years to see it as it was.

There are free programs out there to save YouTube content to your PC. I'll be darned if I remember what I used though.

Bryan

[JSC1]

Can you burn it onto a DVD disk and mail it to me? Can anyone?

I can PM my mailing address if need be.

[Kester Pelagius]

"..and there will be Battlestar Galactica series and rumors of Battlestar Galactica movies.." ;)

Last one to the party I see. Any updates on the rumors/news?

I'm so behind the curve I only just stumbled on the hub-bub over the re-posting of some old Dirk Benedict article that set me to ranting about: Dirk Benedict Strikes Back! (http://cosmic-cinema.blogspot.com/2009/02/dirk-benedict-strikes-back.html)

[monolith21]

Is that your article?

[Kester Pelagius]

Is that your article?

If you're referring to the bit in quotes above, no, that's just me trying to be funny replying to the rumours in this thread. Perhaps I should have put a smiley at the end of that Bible paraphase. Sorry about that.

[Gemini1999]

"..and there will be Battlestar Galactica series and rumors of Battlestar Galactica movies.."

Last one to the party I see. Any updates on the rumors/news?

I'm so behind the curve I only just stumbled on the hub-bub over the re-posting of some old Dirk Benedict article that set me to ranting about: Dirk Benedict Strikes Back! (http://cosmic-cinema.blogspot.com/2009/02/dirk-benedict-strikes-back.html)

Oh look....another long lost colonial brother returning to the "fleet"...! Welcome back KP!

This really is quite a bit of fun seeing all these people that wandered off over the years. It's one of the bright spots in my day whenever I see someone from days gone by check in to see what's up?

KP - No more official updates or news articles as yet, but as soon as there is something, I'm sure it'll show up here when it happens.

Nice to see you again!

Bryan

[Eric Paddon]

I think the fact that so many of us did wander off over the last couple years is ultimately the saddest comment on what that other program did to the sense of community that existed in Galactica fandom for so many years before. When I signed up to my first Galactica forum, a mailing list, in 1997 I was struck by how friendly the atmosphere was, and how unlike many other lists I belonged to that degenerated into flame-wars and bad feelings (and I'm not talking about political boards) there was never a cross word or bit of nastiness in the Galactica realm. That was also true of other places I became part of as well.

And then....well, I shouldn't go further perhaps but that close-knit spirit was suddenly gone, just as the sense of "Battlestar Galactica" representing our own niche of the sci-fi realm was gone too. It was a lot easier for me at least, to confine myself more to specialized lists dealing with fanfic writing because there wasn't much else to say about the show itself at this point in this changed atmopshere.

But of course, if a new project finally does come for us, and our Joblike patience is finally rewarded with something that tries tell "The rest of the story" (to appropriately borrow a phrase from the great Paul Harvey, who passed away yesterday at age 90), that I'm sure will go a long ways toward bringing many of us back and renewing our enthusiasm to talk about the show in all its facets again.

For now though, I am staying cautious, willing to allow myself a little more hope to temper me from being too cynical than I might have in the past, but not letting us get carried away in the absence of hard facts to go on.

[LordStarFyre]

Honestly, now that many of us seem to be coming back, maybe we should do something with he potential renewed energy.

What that course of action should be is anyone's guess.

Maybe an open letter to Larson / DeSanto / The-Powers-That-Be letting them know what we're hoping for? Something that gives them an idea what we're really looking for in a new GINO-free Galactica?

I mean, What is it that we all want? A Continuation? A Re-Boot?

I think we all here have a fairly decent idea of what we don't want to see. That's pretty obvious by the re-emergence of the Old Guard.

I hope all that makes sense.

It's just a feeling, but someting about this latest "rumour" seems different. Maybe mre legit, or maybe I'm just so sick and tired of the "Milty" types sniveling and chest pounding about how the RDM thing is the best thing ever put on film.

Whatever it is, I've got a sense of urgency about this, but I'll be damned if I've got an idea where to direct my fire with it.

[Titon]

Whoa, welcome back to all!

Great to see you guys coming back.

:)

[jjrakman]

If a Continuation hits the silver screen I will post a live webcast of myself eating corn flakes in the nude.

[Gemini1999]

If a Continuation hits the silver screen I will post a live webcast of myself eating corn flakes in the nude.

I'd rather you didn't...

And they say that watching television is bad for the brain!:D

[BST]

If a Continuation hits the silver screen I will post a live webcast of myself eating corn flakes in the nude.


I have a doctor's appointment in a few weeks. Maybe I'd better talk to him about getting therapy.. just in case.

:D

[conconcv66]

If a Continuation hits the silver screen I will post a live webcast of myself eating corn flakes in the nude.

Maybe you should do it while watching that other show's dvd's:D

[monolith21]

I agree that harnessing this renewed sense of direction would be great. I know at the end of the day it is a lot of effort without much to show for in return. God knows we've all thrown our time, money, and devotion behind this.

I'm trying to get some people together as a sort of promotional team to go out to events in costume and spread the word. I think the biggest bummer is that so many Galactica events go without original series representation anymore. Today there was a small convention in San Diego where most of a panel on "Battlestar Galactica" was devoted to bashing on the original series.

I hate to sound melodramatic, but they're literally declaring superiority and supremacy.

John (The Klingon General here) and I actually tracked some of them down face to face to discuss this (not in a threatening way) and they back pedaled in the face of original series fans. I know not everyone would be into it, and I know a lot of you deserve a break after all the efforts you've put in over the years. I'd just like to represent the REAL Galactica in some capacity with fellow fans.

I'm all for another post card campaign. I'm not sure how much good they do but it can't hurt. Are the Colonial Fan Force post cards still available at Cafe Press?

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Regarding the bashing of the original series, ...

Who are we defending against?

I mention this because I think its important to put this sort of thing in context. If the Internet is any example, GINO seems to be primarily supported by people who liked how it bashed George Bush. Almost all of its fans now complain about the shoddy writing and poorly developed storylines, ... much of the same as many of us noted from the start. As time goes by, the special effects will cease to be the latest and greatest (as with all Sci-Fi shows on television) and its "newness" will fade in light of other series.

GINO will take its proper place in the history of Sci-Fi, whatever that place will be, good or bad, without any prodding from us.

If people want to act like jerks and rip apart the old series to try to make their preference look better, all they do is demonstrate that they're jerks. I think most people are smart enough to see that.

Based on my experiences, I think people are also smart enough to see and appreciate good things when they encounter them. Those that have watched the original series with me have recognized its charm. Those I know who followed GINO pretty quickly caught its political bias and attempts to appear more sophisticated than it actually was.

Give this five years and everything will be in its proper place. I've said this since S1 of GINO and I still contend it today. I don't think any of us are well served to get into a TOS vs. GINO competition with anyone, not that I don't think we can make a good arguement but because I don't think our appreciation of the original series will be in any way improved by such a dispute.

... just as I don't think the GINO crowd wins over many converts by bashing the old series.


Russell

[BST]

If people want to act like jerks and rip apart the old series to try to make their preference look better, all they do is demonstrate that they're jerks. I think most people are smart enough to see that.

Agreed. It's also been said that if the only way your product can look good is by tearing apart or putting down the competition then, your product must not be very good.

[LordStarFyre]

Agreed Russell.

We need to present what we're FOR, and what we WANT, rather than focusing on what we're AGAINST, and what we DO NOT WANT.

The political elements aside, one thing that needs stressing is that while Battlestar began in the 70's, we are NOT trying to bring back the disco hair, and the limitations the time period presented (ie "ships on a stick" FX, ect) That seems to be a big arguing point that has been used ad nauseum by the "Milties".

We need to be able to sum up, in ways the "Suits" and the Milty-types can understand what that "something" is that we're pushing for, that is lacking in GINO.

Gods I hope that makes sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.

[Gemini1999]

Hell, I just be happy sending a message of support to Glen Larson, letting him know that there's still interest in a film project based on the original series. I tend to shy away from saying "what we want" though. True, it does make a statement in and of itself, but from the receiving end, it might feel like "this is all we'll accept" (no "what we don't want" statement necessary).

I'm pleased that someone out there hasn't forgotten the orignal series and all the folks that enjoyed it for what it was and what it might become in the future. While there might be some money to be made on such a concept, it's still of interest to someone like me that will gladly pay to sit back and enjoy it.

Bryan

[LordStarFyre]

You make a good point on the "what we want" part. I agree that might come across as a demand, and that isn't, nor should it be, anything like that. I do think we need to clarify, at least amongst ourselves, what it is we want from Galactica. What is it that we hope to see, at least in general terms. What elements make Battlestar Galactica something that we want to support (Heroism, Duty, ???, etc.) That was one serious problem before, was while we "supported" bringing Galactica back, oft times we got bogged down in the factions, and what got left behind was a cohesive "statement of mission". That left us open to attack from the RDM Zealots to dive in with the "You just want the 70s hair and disco" argument".

I guess what I'm suggesting is that, to a degree, we need to find a common ground of what we want to support, and a common way to communicate it.

We do need to let them (ie Larson/DeSanto/Universal/etc) know that there is a contingent out here that is behind them, ready willing and able to support their efforts.

[LordStarFyre]

Just as an addendum to what I said.

As an example, what I'd really like to see is not only a Continuation Movie, (ala the DeSanto version, or BSG-TSC), but I'd LOVE to see Larson/DeSanto/et al flesh out the Colonial History, The beginnings of the Cylon war (the TOS, version, NOT the RDM version) The flight from Kobol (BEFORE the Colonies) The origins of the Battlestars (use the original designs of the Battlestar).

Granted, I realize that what I've suggested would require a series of movies (or New Series???)

I really want to see the "Chariots of the Gods" elements, I REALLY want the "There are those who Believe" narrative.

[monolith21]

I agree, it is better to focus on what we want rather than what we are against. Let them look like fools. I was more talking about a general lack of representation for the original series in most situation that could use it these days. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think we should be fighting for something, just that what you everyone is talking about here is very constructive. Fight to get this thing made, the rest is inconsequential!

Sorry to give a wrong impression. It did get my Irish up hearing them all bash TOS. Had to vent to the only people who would understand!

[Reaper]

I'm with Monolith here, we do need to let ourselves be known again. there was a time, back before GINO that every Fan of Galactica was very loudly making it know we were not ready to lie down and die. We wanted more, and we wanted to ignore G80 and follow our heros till the found Earth.

Then with the sucess of GINO (like it or not, it is a popular show that can be called a success) some of us did stop making it known that we wanted the REAL galactica and crew back. Myself included. I refocused on other SciFi likes and whatnot.

But we are at another Crossroads. We need to make our voices heard again. Mr Larson is developing this movie. The movie could lead to a series of TV movies, or like the Star Trek Franchise in the 80's a series of movies. or Lords be with us, a new weekly series. but we should not demand anything, just let people know there is more stories to be had with the original crew.

Yes, we want to get rid of the stock footage Viper battles, and the obvious sticks holding the models. We don't want to grow out our hair again (or in my case grow my hair lol) We know there has to be updates to the storyline (more serious stories) and to the crew, there needs to be that new generation.

the time is now for a concerted effort to make it known we have not surrendered, that we haven't given up. e are here and we are a large enough group to make a continuation viable (that's the bottom line, making money to the studios)

As Monolith said, we are trying to organize the costumers out ther into a group similar to the 501st Legion in Star Wars. in it's 10 (now 11) years of costuming, the 501st has had such an impact on Star wars that George Lucas himself has allowed it to become part of canon. Books, comics and Video Games all name the 501st Legion now.


We need to do this. Now costuming is not for everyone. but as an entire group, we can make our message come across strong!

It's got to be a positive messag and it's got to be clear. (but not demanding) Fans can make adifference, we're the ones who will pay to see the movie, Watch the TV movies or series, and bring the ratings.

I think a card campaign is a good start. one that ASKS for a continuation. States that a core fandom continues to exist and we are willing to live in peace with GINO (even if that means accepting the NuBSG way of referring to it)

this is just my $.02.

[Athene]

Larson spent a pretty penny getting the rights from Universal. I don't think he's going to turn around and give 'em back.
I 100% agree. It's highly unlikely to me that Larson is going to give up on his dream of seeing a TOS BSG movie after fighting so hard for it.

[Athene]

Hell, I just be happy sending a message of support to Glen Larson, letting him know that there's still interest in a film project based on the original series. I tend to shy away from saying "what we want" though. True, it does make a statement in and of itself, but from the receiving end, it might feel like "this is all we'll accept" (no "what we don't want" statement necessary).

I'm pleased that someone out there hasn't forgotten the orignal series and all the folks that enjoyed it for what it was and what it might become in the future. While there might be some money to be made on such a concept, it's still of interest to someone like me that will gladly pay to sit back and enjoy it.

Bryan
There are a lot of fans that remember the original series. We sure haven't forgotten, me included.
I think all us here should send a letter of support to Larson.
I salute Larson for his passion and dedication for keeping the "true" Battlestar Galactica alive and well. :salute:

[Athene]

If a Continuation hits the silver screen I will post a live webcast of myself eating corn flakes in the nude.
Looks forward to seeing that! :D

[Athene]

I agree that harnessing this renewed sense of direction would be great. I know at the end of the day it is a lot of effort without much to show for in return. God knows we've all thrown our time, money, and devotion behind this.

I'm trying to get some people together as a sort of promotional team to go out to events in costume and spread the word. I think the biggest bummer is that so many Galactica events go without original series representation anymore. Today there was a small convention in San Diego where most of a panel on "Battlestar Galactica" was devoted to bashing on the original series.

I hate to sound melodramatic, but they're literally declaring superiority and supremacy.

John (The Klingon General here) and I actually tracked some of them down face to face to discuss this (not in a threatening way) and they back pedaled in the face of original series fans. I know not everyone would be into it, and I know a lot of you deserve a break after all the efforts you've put in over the years. I'd just like to represent the REAL Galactica in some capacity with fellow fans.

I'm all for another post card campaign. I'm not sure how much good they do but it can't hurt. Are the Colonial Fan Force post cards still available at Cafe Press?
I say we all get together and send a letter or post cards.
I have another idea as well.
How about an online/email campaign?
Is there a way of us setting up an online petition which all of us can sign?

[Kronus]

John (The Klingon General here) and I actually tracked some of them down face to face to discuss this (not in a threatening way) and they back pedaled in the face of original series fans.
It was a glorious time!

In all fairness when monolith and I approached one of the panalists that was "pro" the new BSG and was a TOS "Hater" (as monolith stated not in a threatening way)...which I think he still was feeling a bit threatened with a 6 foot tall 250lb Klingon getting right in his face and staring down at him didn't help....LOL!

All I said when monolith and I approached the pannelist was "here is one of the haters." He gave me a big scared looked and I thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head...he did back pedal real quick and said he didn't hate TOS BSG.

Monolith and I were just wanting him to know that we appreciated the TOS show and wanted him to know that there are fans out here who still appreciate what the TOS BSG stood for. He seemed relieved by our approach...as it should be. As TwoBrainedCylon stated, 'who are we defending against?' I enjoyed your post on this TwoBrainedCylon!

Reaper, you are so dead on! Getting out there and showing others that the TOS fan base is still alive and kicking is what is strongly needed. I too am in the process in getting my colonial uniform and I too will be there hitting as many of these CONs here in the Southern Cal area.

And I challenge any and all of you to do the same in your areas to the best of your abilities...we need to send out a message that goes beyond just mailers and emails (which by the way these should be done as well and in huge force). Attend as many CONs as you can afford and if time does not permit, sponsor someone to go on your behalf.

My Kahless, I thought I would have never see many of you back again but look, here you are...it is a good day to die!

I may play a Klingon here but we are all warriors! It is time we rise back up in unity and in force and make it known to all...TOS BSG IS HERE AND IT IS HERE TO STAY!

[LordStarFyre]

It's nice to see we aren't alone.

http://www.scificool.com/sci-fi-trailer-richard-hatchs-bsg-second-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-6155

I love his description of the RDM thing!!

[Kester Pelagius]

It may just be me but I feel, at this point in time, a continuation series would be pointless. And not just because it's been such a long time and many of the principle actors are getting on in age, those that are still with us, but because Ron Moore's series has soured the waters. Best to just go back to the source and do the story that should have been, Saga of Star World updated for the times.

I wrote somewhere, the Lords of Kobol know where, on the 'net a long while ago that what I'd like to see is essentially the story presented in the novelization done as (roughly) three one hour acts. The first hour would give us backstory about the colonies, the Cylon Empire, the other alien races inhabiting the 'verse et al. The second hour would be for the sneak attack and exodus. This act wouldn't merely focus on the Galactica but show various battles spread throughout the home sector. Going into the third hour focus would shift to Galactica getting to the home sector- she'd have been crippled and forced to make do with light speed*, thus explaining her late arrival- and while the Cylons are chasing other fleet elements/survivors we'd see the "rag tag" remnants of the Colonials come together around Galactica.

I'd like to see the third act take the Galactica to Carillon, and depict it as the debauched hedonistic bacchanal described in the book, no watered down PG-13 nonsense. In fact I wouldn't worry about ratings. Get the move done, submit it, then re-edit it to get R and PG-13 ratings. No reason you can't have two versions of a movie in theaters, or just released unrated to DVD. Sorry kids but I'm an adult and you can do what I had to do when I was a 'kid' and wanted to see a movie, get someone to sneak you into the theater or rent it for you; or just wait till you're old enough!

From Carillon have the movie end with the fleet setting off into the depths of space. Have a nice bit of narration play that leaves the movie open for another installment. If done right this could be the opening shot of a awesome trilogy.

Alas we'll probably never get anything like that. But as long as we don't have Vipers with legs on them I'll be content.


(*) The one thing Moore's series almost got right was to update the vessels and include, or almost do, more than a handful of ship designs. I'd like to see more than just carrier vessels. A multi-planet space faring race with a blood enemy that has it's own empire would have cruisers, patrol craft, destroyers, interceptors, bombers, and all manner of combat and civilian craft inbetween. With modern CGI this shouldn't pose too much of a problem to do. And the battle scenes would be spectacular.

[Kester Pelagius]

Just as an addendum to what I said.

As an example, what I'd really like to see is not only a Continuation Movie, (ala the DeSanto version, or BSG-TSC), but I'd LOVE to see Larson/DeSanto/et al flesh out the Colonial History, The beginnings of the Cylon war (the TOS, version, NOT the RDM version) The flight from Kobol (BEFORE the Colonies) The origins of the Battlestars (use the original designs of the Battlestar).

Granted, I realize that what I've suggested would require a series of movies (or New Series???)

I really want to see the "Chariots of the Gods" elements, I REALLY want the "There are those who Believe" narrative.

Regarding a "continuation" storyline, and keeping with the sentiment of my post above, I'd love to see this as the second (or third?) installment of a new trilogy. I'd also like to see ALL material associated with G80 and the GINO series- I had to GOOGLE that bit of genius the other day, kudos to whoever coined the term!- ignored.

And I'll second the "Chariots of the Gods" theme. If only because there is an audience out there now for this sort of material so fans of series like X-Files/Fringe might come over to the movies out of curiosity.

[Kronus]

It's nice to see we aren't alone.

http://www.scificool.com/sci-fi-trailer-richard-hatchs-bsg-second-coming/comment-page-1/#comment-6155

I love his description of the RDM thing!!
Oh I have to leave a comment there too....

[ernie90125]

Someone posted an article about a fandom raising money for a LA area TV advert, I can't remember which group of fans did it, I'm sure someone knows, but its an interesting idea !!!!

[Eric Paddon]

I have to confess that I am at a stage where my enthusiasm for a "properly done remake" would be nil. To me, the whole dream has been centered on one thing only, and it always struck me as strange how the "unity of purpose" idea couldn't have just come down to one simple message of *continuation* with respect for *continuity*. This has more than anything else been the thing that in the pre-GINO era made me want to scream when I would see Hatch's novels show the most flagrant disregard for continuity of inportant plot points the episodes established and the lousy (and that is the understatement of all time) Dynamite comic book carried this disregard to its ultimate peak. I have always had the sense that the powers that be just never get the fact that Galactica gave us an ongoing storyline involving certain characters and an overall story arc that required you to pay close attention to what was happening in a way that series with self-contained episodes didn't make you do. Granted, Galactica didn't do this to the degree that today's shows do it, but it was the first to pave the way toward this in the sci-fi realm, and if that particular storyline remains permanently unfinished, then I have to say in all honesty, there goes much of my enthusiasm for any big-screen project.

The vision doesn't have to be what I as individual would have done if I were writing it or if one of my fanfic stories were being made, all that would be needed is a story stemming from the same respect for the intelligence of Galactica fans and an appreciation for what actually unfolded in the series because too often I think most people act under the misguided assumption that Galactica fans are fans of a mere gimmick as established in the pilot (and indeed, I think many powers that be assume that the too commonly available for years edited theatrical pilot gives you all you need to know about Galactica. How else can one keep thinking that daggits played a role in every episode or that Starbuck remained a Casanova the whole series, when by the end, he was settled into monogamy with Cassiopeia?) and never cared about what actually unfolded in the stories. Yet this attitude is not taken towards fans of Star Wars or Star Trek.

[Malkyte]

Then with the sucess of GINO (like it or not, it is a popular show that can be called a success)...

I am right there with you Reaper on most of what you said... BUT...


I know I will get in trouble for this, but this is a pet peeve of mine of late, and I have to correct it on facts.

It can be said that GINO is critically acclaimed (even if I disagree), but it is not a success or popular. The numbers simply don't back that up.

Okay, okay... I am stopping now... I here the footsteps! I promise no more mention of the unmentionable! ;)


Malkyte

[Gemini1999]

Someone posted an article about a fandom raising money for a LA area TV advert, I can't remember which group of fans did it, I'm sure someone knows, but its an interesting idea !!!!

We did something similar back in 2004.....a small group of people within the Colonial Fleets & ToK (then CA) solicited BSG fans to donate money to put a full page ad in both Daily Variety and Cinescape magazines, both are very high profile TV/Film industry magazines.

There was a goal of 10,000 dollars to be raised and if I remember correctly, meeting the goal was not too difficult. The money was raised, the ad was published and people took notice. There was positive publicity and some negative as well. Some were impressed that a group of fans could raise that much money for any cause, but there was criticism for raising so much money for a cause that didn't benefit anyone directly. I remember that was around the time of the Tsunami in Asia and the ads were published for a bit less than what was originally planned. The extra money was donated to the relief efforts after the disaster. In the end, money was raised for the ads and there was a rather sizable donation to a worthy charity as well. Talk about killing two birds with one stone!

You can search on the net and still find references to the fund raising effort, but the website for CFF has long since been taken down.

Ah....those were the glory days!

(oh, if you do a search for Colonial Fan Force on this forum, there are some threads dedicated to the subject - a nice bit of history there)

Bryan

[monolith21]

I think a card campaign is a good start. one that ASKS for a continuation. States that a core fandom continues to exist and we are willing to live in peace with GINO (even if that means accepting the NuBSG way of referring to it)

this is just my $.02.

Whatever we do I think it should be in stages. I was blown away by how well all of our efforts came together all the way through the Fan Force ads. I think starting with a petition (not sure how effective those actually are) then a letter writing campaign, maybe some physical appearances to put a face on all of this, and then something similar.

Easier said than done to be sure. I don't have the first clue how to organize this stuff. However, I'm willing to put in the effort.

I think a continuation is absolutely viable. It has only been a few years since it was last considered to be the best option. Not a whole lot has changed other than the fact that Gino has come and gone. Itch scratched! Now where were we...

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I really hate to be the wet blanket here but I'd like to ask everyone to consider that Universal, Larson, and even Tom DeSanto are going to do whatever is in their own best interests irregardless of what the fans think or want.

If anyone is going to raise any serious money then I beg those gathering the cash to use it in a way that actually produces something worthwhile for the fanbase.

For $10,000 (the arbitarary figure), I'd have made a special edition of the Return of Starbuck with new footage with Dirk, ... or pumped out something else of real worth for the fanbase.

I don't mean this as a slam on the previous efforts as they were commendable jobs but I also ask that folks learn from those experiences. TPTB don't give a rat's ass what fans like us think. Throwing heavy resources at an appreal isn't going to garner any more support from them.

Without diving too deeply in the weeds, I'd personally rather folks get comfortable with the situation as it is now, with GINO and the original series both taking their place in history and Caprica being the show that's presently in the mix.

Failing that, I'd ask that the efforts be placed on something that is mutually beneficial. For example, how far would a combined effort go towards making a good website devoted to the original series. I still haven't seen one done really, really well. How about a few DVDs of combined materials. Jason suggested this a while back and its still a good idea. If the old guard is being reactivated, has anyone considered what John Larocque can bring to the table. I have some pretty prefessional sound recording equipment and Shawn is a very, very good composer. I've heard some of his stuff and the guy has real talent.

I don't think the 14th Colony will ever go anywhere (sorry, but I don't) but the modeling efforts for it have been very impressive. I wouldn't mind seeing a new version of the trailer that came out a few years ago.

Has anyone considered making a series of short audio dramas. I've been playing with "GINO - The Audio Drama" but I find it hard to believe that a group of dedicated fans can't come up with something good.

In essence, the future of Galactica is in the hands of the fans, not the networks. If you're going to pool resources, then do so towards something that will get results.

As I've said, I'm a divorced guy with a boat and as such, I like to see effort going towards something with a payoff. Convincing TPTB or a hostile fan audience that the original series is where its at is a losing battle from the onset. I ask that folks focus on something that will give a reward.

Off my soap box now.

If this sounds insane, then feel free to discount it.


Russell

[Gemini1999]

Sandy -

You do make some excellent points there. Historically speaking, CFF was the one single effort where everyone came together and actually met the goal it set out to do. From what I've observed, every other effort of any kind always fell victim to problems from within - differences in regards to direction, content, etc. always seemed to lead to the effort falling apart. When I think of the fact that BSG's 30th anniversary came and went without any major fan produced project of any significance seemed to be a sign that people had given it up and wandered off to pursue other interests.

If there is to be any kind of an "effort" to show support for a new project, you're probably right....people taking whatever resources they have and use those resources to create something, anything, even if it's just an individual thing - collectively, all those "things" add up as a show of interest.

When people talk about a petition - look at the current fanbase....how many signatures really can be collected? Even if someone started a letter writing campaign to Universal or Glen Larson, how many letters or cards would it generate? In the end, it might build up a bit of morale thinking that we're doing something to show interest, but when you consider the numbers collectively, it's just not large enough to create the desired effect.

It's frustrating at times.... I mean, it feels nice to see some people come back and discuss BSG, but when you look at the number of people that haven't come back, it's easy to feel discouraged about it as a whole. When I first came upon Colonial Fleets in 2003, this site was bustling with activity about BSG and SciFi in general. Now, the site is very small in terms of active posts and it's generally remembered on other boards as the site that voiciferously declined endorsing Ron Moore's BSG (I still see an occasional comment about that on the Skiffy board).

Maybe it's all timing..... Maybe when TNS has finished it's broadcast run in a few weeks and after the direct to DVD film is released this summer, that might be the time when BSG fans new and old will look for a new direction to focus their interest. If and when there's further news and development on this project with Glen Larson's name on it, that might be the time that at least more people will look towards the concept of TOS to get their BSG fix for the lack of anything else.

Who knows what the future holds? I sure don't.

Bryan

[monolith21]

Well, maybe we just do our own things I suppose. Getting everyone to agree on a direction might be hard as we've had little return for our efforts in the past. I'd rather see everyone come back or keep the ones who have than disagree on a direction to go and drive people back out of it all.

As much as it can be a wet blanket, the truth is that everyone here has very good reasons to be skeptical about this feature film news. I'm just not willing to "accept" the way things are as the way they will always be. Again, I most certainly don't mean that as any sort of slam. There is not a person here I don't respect and wouldn't be willing to call my friend.

Seeing everyone come back does feel sort of like a mobilization. It could have been my excitement at seeing so many old names of thinking "now we'll show 'em that the original fans are still around!". Sort of a Cain moment now that I think about it.

I do hope this movie happens. I think it is what the fans deserve. I can't not hope that. I also have no illusions that Hollywood gives a frack what we deserve.

[KJ]

When people talk about a petition - look at the current fanbase....how many signatures really can be collected? Even if someone started a letter writing campaign to Universal or Glen Larson, how many letters or cards would it generate? In the end, it might build up a bit of morale thinking that we're doing something to show interest, but when you consider the numbers collectively, it's just not large enough to create the desired effect.


If anyone remembers the past and need to learn from it again, then lt us all say in unison, Screw! any petitions in regards to a revival.

They've only served to show fans (or geeks/nerds to the TPTB) the desperation factor of those who liked/loved an old TV. Pop culture and sociaties reactions to any cult series itself, should be the ultimate measuring stick or what people would want in the long run of things without the inteference or manipulation by others in the in-crowd (hollywood insiders and "snarks" alike) who seek their own interests out of how an old TV property would/can be revived.

Harsh but true, lets get over this how it should've been brought back, as most people outside of "TV-land" already know that answer, and those fond memories and 'sentimentalism' has gone a long way in 30 plus years and we've talked it to death 1'000 times a month 'on-and-off' and thensome. But like monolith says, i feel the respect factor everybody has for the old series, seriously outweights any kind of smart-alec conversation material we all ten to talk about generally, and that the old BSG always did deserve the big screen treatment regardless.

Like many have you have already stated, its the 'how' would it be done and by whom?

When I think of the fact that BSG's 30th anniversary came and went without any major fan produced project of any significance seemed to be a sign that people had given it up and wandered off to pursue other interests.


True, kinda had my vision for something like that 9 and half months regarding the pre-attempted "Fandom Put-Together DVD Documentaries". It was merely postponed due to my PC errors. Regardless of what i'm planning to do this year, i want to resume it (finger crossed), once my phoneline and PC issues are put to bed with and i've organised how i'd go about it with you all.

I'll say nothing more until i'm clear what'll happen for sure.

And while, i kinda disagree with Sandy on the 14th Colony thing, i do agree with the stern but truthful way, he's addressed the entire situation of this topic, and between the two of us, i'd back his make an investment with cash statement, if the fanbase WAS properly organised and could actually put something worthwhile together. We should learn from everthing thats transpired before in the past, thus avoid going over the same damn thing and talking about the same similar discussions without truly learning from certain issues that cropped put but weren't ever dealt with right by us with alot of negative sentiment, always getting in the way. We're all gulity of it but in a good and always positive manner, thus i hink our respect for one another, has always been through the coversations we've had that are like brain candy, and made us think in a multitude of ways (TONS) of how every barrier this fandom's face could be addressed.

And once again i'll say for the record, that outside the internet. Classic BSG has always been alot bigger in its support and popularity than its been online for some bizarre weird reason. So don't lose hope in the face of how there are much less online posters and forum members today.

KJ

[ernie90125]

I hadn't forgotten about the $12,000 we raised for CFF !!!! But thanks for reminding anyone who may have done Gemini1999 ! :)

I was actually referring to this article which I've now found again :

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15903

With the CGI skills of this fanbase, I would have thought we could do this too ?

[BST]

Without diving too deeply in the weeds, I'd personally rather folks get comfortable with the situation as it is now, with GINO and the original series both taking their place in history and Caprica being the show that's presently in the mix.

Caprica is "in the mix", insofar as the Sci-Fi channel is concerned. The interactions which led to this thread being started in the first place were not surrounding the production of a show for TV but, for theaters. These two productions are not mutually exclusive.

****************


On another note, there are many words of wisdom that I've seen on this thread, in particular, and on this site, in general. There have been many agreements in thought and many differences in opinion which is healthy for conversation. Those differences, oftentimes, give folks "something to think about". I've found that the best thing for me to do is to sift through the differences in opinion and see how it all makes sense to me. Somewhere in the midst of those thoughts or in a combination of ideas, will be the truth or the way that I want to proceed.

While some may "ask for another card", others are content to "hold" theirs. Personally, I don't like to jump into something, both feet, until I have an idea of just what it means to jump into something with both feet. That's the way that I feel about the possibility of this movie.

In my opinion, we're too early in the process, to know just what's going to happen and, unfortunately, a bit too jaded about past misfortunes to feel confident enough to "hitch our wagon to that star".

However, there is also a danger if we simply sit on our hands and wait to see what develops. We will then, have to 'take what we get' which is what happened with the Moore production.

So, what do we do?


My first suggestion would be to spread the word in whichever way would yield the most ears hearing it or the most eyes seeing it.

One quick way would be to advertise on our respective websites and to reach out to other sites, to spread the word. It would be inexpensive and involve a minimal of time writing some code for the message.

Once that's done, make initial contact with some of the players especially Universal and Larson. Just let them know your preference, "repeat our message", and refer them to whichever website for more information.

Short and sweet. Just let them know we're out here.

Just like the guy who wears a ball cap that is blue with gold letters "ND". After seeing the guy a few times, with the same hat, I'd get the idea that he likes Notre Dame. Same concept with this. Keep the message out there.

Who knows, we may reach 1,000 people or 1,000,000 people if we do this.

We will reach nobody if we do nothing.

My suggestion would be to start up another thread to brainstorm ideas so that we could see what's feasible and what's not. That won't require much from anyone except a little thought.

So, whomever has the initiative, go ahead and start the thread. ;)

[Kronus]

So, whomever has the initiative, go ahead and start the thread. ;)

Done:
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281355#post281355

[Malkyte]

I really hate to be the wet blanket here but I'd like to ask everyone to consider that Universal, Larson, and even Tom DeSanto are going to do whatever is in their own best interests irregardless of what the fans think or want.

If anyone is going to raise any serious money then I beg those gathering the cash to use it in a way that actually produces something worthwhile for the fanbase.

For $10,000 (the arbitarary figure), I'd have made a special edition of the Return of Starbuck with new footage with Dirk, ... or pumped out something else of real worth for the fanbase.

I don't mean this as a slam on the previous efforts as they were commendable jobs but I also ask that folks learn from those experiences. TPTB don't give a rat's ass what fans like us think. Throwing heavy resources at an appreal isn't going to garner any more support from them.

Without diving too deeply in the weeds, I'd personally rather folks get comfortable with the situation as it is now, with GINO and the original series both taking their place in history and Caprica being the show that's presently in the mix.

Failing that, I'd ask that the efforts be placed on something that is mutually beneficial. For example, how far would a combined effort go towards making a good website devoted to the original series. I still haven't seen one done really, really well. How about a few DVDs of combined materials. Jason suggested this a while back and its still a good idea. If the old guard is being reactivated, has anyone considered what John Larocque can bring to the table. I have some pretty prefessional sound recording equipment and Shawn is a very, very good composer. I've heard some of his stuff and the guy has real talent.

I don't think the 14th Colony will ever go anywhere (sorry, but I don't) but the modeling efforts for it have been very impressive. I wouldn't mind seeing a new version of the trailer that came out a few years ago.

Has anyone considered making a series of short audio dramas. I've been playing with "GINO - The Audio Drama" but I find it hard to believe that a group of dedicated fans can't come up with something good.

In essence, the future of Galactica is in the hands of the fans, not the networks. If you're going to pool resources, then do so towards something that will get results.

As I've said, I'm a divorced guy with a boat and as such, I like to see effort going towards something with a payoff. Convincing TPTB or a hostile fan audience that the original series is where its at is a losing battle from the onset. I ask that folks focus on something that will give a reward.

Off my soap box now.

If this sounds insane, then feel free to discount it.


Russell


Sandy,

First and foremost, I hope you have been well! I haven't posted on the same board with you in a while. It's good to see you again!

As usual, I agree with the wisdom in your post!

I do have one question for you:

What happened to the BSG audio production you were making? It just kind of disapeared and you moved onto other projects. You finished Ep 1 (which was pretty well received) and was working on Ep 2, (which I would have had a small role in), and then it just kind of died.

Just curious.


Malkyte

[Gemini1999]

I must say.... I've been doing a bit of musing since last night - mostly over Sandy's recent post. He said that he didn't mean it to be a wet blanket, but in a way, it's had that effect on me. My thoughts have mostly been in the way of this - If Glen Larson is really going to do a BSG film based on the original series, who would he be doing it for? Is he doing it for himself as a commercial venture, purely to make money? Is he doing it as a creative venture where he can finally do the story that he actually wanted to do without the restrictions of a network holding the story back, or watering it down? Aside from that, I'm thinking in terms of audience. Is he doing it for the folks that clamored for a new series or film based on the original in years past, or would he be doing a film for a completely different audience in the same way that JJ Abrams is attempting to court a new audience for his Trek film?

When I look at the current state of BSG fandom, the only really active part is that surrounding the SciFi Channel series. There's the SciFi.com board and many others brimming with activity and conversation to show interest, although it doesn't seem to help ratings any. Where the original series is concerned, there's only a few sites left to remember the original series by and the posting traffic on those sites is woefully small. If Larson were taking a look at online activity and interest towards a film based on the original series, I shudder to think as to what he'd find. There's a lot of commentary that signifies doubt that Larson could ever pull off such a project. If I were in his shoes and depending on how he takes it, one could come to the conclusion that he'd either "prove the doubters wrong", or just go off in his own direction and blaze a new path for BSG. Another option would be to sell those film rights to the highest bidder and take what money that can be gotten from them without any effort or the possibility of a financial loss from a project that didn't succeed (a la Serenity).

I understand people's trepidation, but it seems to be that the "old guard" has largely given up on such an idea and it's the newest batch of people that post at this site and a few others that still have a bit of drive left in them to show interest in something new.

It reminds me of that scene in "Saga" where Adama tells Athena: "I don't want it anymore, let someone else do it, take this burden from me...." It feels like those that clamored for it before are doing just that, leaving it to others because they've felt that they've done enough and now it's time for someone else to do the cheerleading this time.

I'm not exactly crying into my tea over this, but I'm sure that you get the general idea and it's one of disappointment.

Bryan

[Krystal]

Hoping this one comes true, it will be awesome to finally see what we want. Count me in. :salute:

[TwoBrainedCylon]

BST, Malkyte, and Bryan,

This is a combined answer and a long-ass rant so I apologize. My response hits all three of your postings.

I meet Larson's news with a dispassionate shrug. I don't think it will ever happen because we've been down this road before. The words "Fooled me once" seem particularly relevant here. If Larson is reading this, then Glen, ... seriously, what did you expect after your previous bogus statements.

Universal says the rumor has no substance. A couple of sites claim this is because they don't want to compromise contract negotiations with actors, etc. and that has happened before on other films. Perhaps, but a broken clock is also correct twice a day. What I find telling is that no "insiders" are reacting to this at all. The usual suspects who would be contacted to do the VFX haven't whispered a peep. For as much as many of us aren't fond of GINO, if you were going to make a Galactica film using the ships in the fleet, where would you go to get your models? I'd think you'd be wanting to use your CG money as effectively as possible and that wouldn't include having new modelers rework the entire fleet when most of that is already done.

I believe Larson well knows where some fine models already exist. As best I've heard, none of those folks have been contacted.

Very few Sci-Fi projects are considered without some people I know whispering about it. Nothing on this one.

So, at best, I have to place this as an idea, not a funded project, ... same as six months ago, ... same as last year, same as 2003, and 2001, 1995, and on back.

If I'm wrong in this then so be it and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Even if I am, I don't think I'm wrong in that whatever this project turns out to be, its not going to be affected one way or another by anything we're doing as a fanbase. The last person who was swayed by this fanbase was Ron Moore and I think we can all agree that few of us made any efforts to guide him towards what we wanted. We can debate if that would have had any affect but as a group, we never made the attempt. How he acted is irrelevant for our side of that interaction. He was responsible for how he acted. We're responsible for how we did ... and are responsible for how we act in the future.

In that, I agree that any message anyone in this fanbase gives should be a positive one. My difference with most of the folks here is that I think it should be focused on how to best enjoy the existing situation. Since 2003, Battlestar Galactica has largely been defined for most on this board by a recurring example of what we don't like, what offends us, and what twists our jaw. The production team in GINO did their part by continually supplying us with material to complain about. In that, we were all participants in a mutally dependant circle.

Fleets is the lone place that opted out of that game and in that, I greatly commend the people running the place. If Fleets is only remembered for that, I think its reputation will go down as having stood up for something honorable and handling everyone in the best fashion possible. Given the nature of those complaining about this place, I can't say anyone here has much to fear.

Jon Rogers once said the future of Galactica is in the hands of the fans. I agree with that. I once wanted to coordinate fan efforts together to flow along some loose theme but I've abandoned that, partly because my concept probably was overly idealistic but also because this fanbase is its own worst enemy. If that deflates the enthusiasm of the members here, ... well, perhaps it should. Maybe by facing that, some good will occur.

I could ask those who wish things were better or different what they PERSONALLY have done to promote the Galactica theme. One idea is to wear costumes and raise awareness. That's a fine action. My only reservation was that people not do that with the concept that they will change the minds of fanboys who are dedicated to hating the original series or sway TPTB because that is akin to throwing yourself against a brick wall in the hopes that you can do it twice as hard the next time.

... but beyond that, what has anyone done? Don has created some fine models, ... and finished a few of them also. I think we've all enjoyed his work. The 14th Colony crowd jumpstarted a lagging CG artwork effort for a while and that was also commendable. Dave Kerin has done special edits that some have enjoyed. I kicked an occasionally peanut into the pile now and again. Somewhere around 2005 and earlier, there was some fan fiction being written.

Beyond that, ... do I hear crickets?

Keeping in mind, this is covering a SIX YEAR PERIOD.

... more crickets?

Malkyte asked why there wasn't any more Exodus Audio dramas. The plain answer is that nobody in my target audience seemed to give a damn. I got far, far more compliments from the GINO fanboys than I did from anyone in this fanbase. That was a several CD production and each hour took about 45 hours to write and produce. I could do it now in 1/3rd the time but back then, I was struggling with no equipment and learning as I went. It was a serious dedication in which a handful of us really put in some efforts to try to kickstart the fanbase.

The responses were equal to what I got when I released a single CG still that took about 2 hours to create. It was a minor blip on the fanbase radar and faded in about three days. On top of that, I got massacred over and over by the GINO fanboys and from my memory, not a single person from this fanbase bothered to do as much as make a single post defending my effort. It was a few of my "Internet rivals" who stepped up and spoke up for me saying that things were getting too harsh. I don't pretend that I need to be spoon-fed or pampered but present that because it did send a message as to just how much folks DIDN'T really care one way or another.

When I get asked "Why don't you do more?" my answer is "Where were you?" (That's not directed towards Malkyte who asked the question because I know where he was. He was ready to help, without reservations, and was willing to do all he could).

GINO - The Audio Production gets far, far better responses and only takes about 1/10th the time to produce. Plus, a Diane happily stepped up to help when I needed her. (Thanks!!! You were and still are terrific!!!)


Compare that to a more recent project. Most of you don't likely know that not too long ago, a small handful of us laid the groundwork to put together some DVDs as a sort of living documentary to Galactica. I was prepared to lay down $20,000 to make that happen in a way that it could be done right. The first step to doing this was to ask everyone to pool the stuff they had and send a copy to Dawg, ... a very simple request. If three people eventually did that, that's two more than I remember. We couldn't even get folks together well enough to send materials they have burned on backup DVDs or on their hard drives.

That's when I threw in the towel as far as doing anything for this fanbase.

I think I'm a pretty good judge of the effort it takes to complete projects these days. That's why I don't see the 14th Colony ever seeing the light of day. I say that sparingly because it became abundantly clear that I had issues with the concept behind that project but I think its obvious to anyone who has followed it for more than five minutes that the effort was mismatched between its goals and capabilities from the onset.

I compliment Jon Rogers in his drive to keep pushing that to completion. If he reads this, my only suggetion is that he scales the effort down to something that can be obtained in a reasonable time wiht the resources he has available.

As one who sorta threw the gauntlet down at his feet, I'd also like to be the first to say that we all understand just how challenging the effort was and there is nothing to be ashamed of in retooling the effort into something that is closer within reach.

... or not, as best fits where you guys want to go with it.

Which indirectly leads to why I am the "wet blanket" on this issue. I don't want to say that I'm "Done with Galactica" but honestly, I don't want to join your campaign. I don't want to worry about what anyone else thinks of a television series I like. I don't care what Ron Moore or David Eick or Glen Larson says about how just maybe, if the moon is half full and I eat the green M&Ms with three candles burning, there just might be a chance that a continuation might come my way.

I JUST WANT TO BE A FAN AND ENJOY BEING A FAN WITH OTHER FANS!!!

Someday, everyone is going to have to accept, ... and I mean REALLY accept, that Ron got control of Galactica and turned it into something he thought was cool and which many of us hated. I believe that everyone will also have to accept that Battlestar Galactica is not going to return in the way that people desperately wish it would. I really wish I was wrong on that but I respect everyone way too much to pretend otherwise.

So, I wish that everyone would instead focus on enjoying Battlestar Galactica rather than fighting for it. I think we'd all enjoy our personal experiences a lot more and would enjoy how we interact as a group a lot more.

I don't know if that sounds sagely or stupid ... but sincerely, I don't think that's an unreasonable position.



Russell

[Eric Paddon]

Just speaking for myself in terms of what I've been doing, I'll admit I found it was just easier for me to contract myself into the world of my one fanfic group where there's a half dozen of us writing our own ongoing VS project. I have to admit, even though I know it's not read by a large audience overall really doesn't discoruage me much because it's ultimately been more of a creative exercise for myself and satisfying my own unfulfilled dreams about how I wish the show could have gone afterwards. The drawback of such an attitude is that it can have the effect of cutting back on one's reading time of other authors who put out equally fine creative work according to their own visions. I know I've been guilty of contracting myself to a narrow sphere, but in truth, that's been my kneejerk reaction to the feeling that being involved on a more active level has only brought more in the way of aggravation ever since GINO was unleashed on us and that it was best for me to scale back involvement to keep having one way of enjoying Galactica as I knew it.

I'll agree that there is a lack of enthusiasm for "raising awareness". I think that boils down to the fact that the period of 2004-05 was a time when it seemed as if *decades* of hard work and fighting the good fight to raise the profile of Galactica just seemed to go up in smoke overnight, and suddenly every last little lie and every last little piece of disinformation about the series that we spent all those years combating was given a new aura of legitimacy. How many times did any of us in some forum somewhere get fed up having to hear someone invoke the themes of (1) Galactica was a ratings flop or (2) the show that gave us the silly daggit every week? I know I did. I ended up in a LOT of acrimonious discussions at non-Galactica outlets like the Film Score Monthly Message Board because it seemed like this was coming up over and over because some fawning media critic in a newspaper praising the other show would invoke it, and someone would repeat it etc. etc. over and over. And then the ultimate final straw was the Dynamite Comic book disaster which seemed to cement once and for all the fact that people in positions of influence didn't give a damn about the original series fanbase, so why bother even trying to do something big any further? Contracting myself to a narrow fanfic group which does read and appreciate each other's work was a much easier solution ultimately. It saddened me to see outlets like Battlestar Pacifica, which I was a co-moderator of, suddenly disappear in the dead of night, but I understood how the zeal was gone and I could hardly blame the old-timers because even with the end of that other show, how can you summon the will to start from the bottom again when all the years you spent beforehand came to naught?

Goodness knows, if there is something to the Larson rumor I'd watch it with interest and hope for the best, but I have to count myself among those who are past the point of signing petititons or contributing money because I just have never had the sense that the effort is appreciated by those who have the power to do something. This is one time I'd like to be proved wrong, but for now, the whole Larson thing is starting to sound like a case of Yogi Berra's "deja vu all over again" expression in action.

That said, I do think Galactica fans (and I include myself in this since I should better acquaint myself than I have with others creativity) should make better use of the *large* outpouring of creativity there's been over the years. How many are aware of the largest Galactica fanfic site on the net that's been going strong since 1995? You'll find a lot to occupy your time here from many years worth of diverse contributions and I've seen few TV shows that ever matched this level of output.

http://www.galacticafanfic.com/bsg-page.html

I think at times there's been a tendency to underestimate just how anxious so many have been over the years to explore further the continuing storyline that was interrupted. But if one looks at the output, I think that can offer some level of comfort if the project we all wished for never happens, and I do think those who have a similar gift of creativity should keep at it, because while sometimes the feedback level isn't enough, I think it *is* appreciated a good deal.

[Gemini1999]

Sandy -

First off, I'd like to thank you for your response. You characterized part of it as a rant, but I never found it so. I've seen your rants before, so if this was indeed a rant, you're mellowing. ;)

I'm not directing what I said soley at you as "the wet blanket", nor anyone else either. When you wrote your post last night, I read it and responded with one of mine and at the time I wrote the post, I understood what you meant and I was able to just roll with it. It's just that the majority of the posts from the original crowd seem quite wary and almost unwilling to consider the announcement (or whatever it was) that Larson was going to make a BSG film.

When I see how some folks are getting excited and wanting to contact someone, or make some kind of effort to get their attention and let them know that we're still here and still behind the idea of a film project, I can't help but be excited by that. There's so little in the BSG community to get excited about these days and now that the Skiffy series is coming to an end, it feels very timely. I really do understand where folks are coming from. People like you have created websites, done CGI work, made their own audio productions and a slew of other tributes to the original series and nobody's expecting you to do any more than you're doing now. You're right, there are too many people sitting around waiting for someone else to do or say something. Lord knows if I could do CGI, or if I could write a story, or anything of value that would contribute, I'd definitely be doing it. I would never criticize anyone for the efforts they've made in the past.

I'm not attempting to shame anyone into doing anything at all, I was just voicing some feelings I was having inside at the moment. If those were misconstued as finger wagging, I'm sorry as that wasn't my intention.

I do have an open mind about Larson making a film and I know that there's little to go on at this point and I can afford to be patient until there's more to hear - if at all.

I guess what I'm really missing is those days when the TOS BSG community was still a community, even if we all didn't agree with each other all the time. I feel that there are still good times to be had as a community, even if we don't have something specific to focus on.

Just call me the "mopey one", I guess.

Bryan

[David Kerin]

I agree that sometimes feedback to work is not in the number the artist hopes it would be. However that does not mean it isn't being enjoyed. I've found in business too often people speak up for negative responses and rarely speak up for compliments. Luckily the group here is generally supportive. Yes, the topic may not go on at the top of the list forever, but it does seem appreciated.

While I would love to see more done for the fans, by the fans... I have not exactly been hearing the crickets either. Just looking through this site there are a number of people creating things through their enjoyment of BSG and being a fan.

A quick current look brought this (and these are single instances of a larger amount of work)

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16738
Titon's recent vid

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14526
Taranis' models and renders.

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16409
The amazing modeling by Folkrm

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15245
Cylon Helmet and backpack plans

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16222
Lt Donovan's models and renders

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13782
animaniacs models and renders

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15941
Shane's World Cylon Artwork

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16301
fretslayer2's intro for project

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16067
Peter's Encounter (that sounds dirty)

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15238
Merlins designs and models

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16330
Starship's fighter model/design

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15709
Apollo COTG's work

And there's the work at http://www.battlestarfanfilms.com

There's the talented modelers at foundation3d.com.

The Fanfic of Eric and many others.

The work of the 14th Colony (whether completed or not, it shows interest and desire)



And as a fan from day one, I can attest to my contributions (and not doing this to brag or blow my own horn(that's what she said) but I know me rather well and what I have done). Now I know these are not up to standards of some, but I did them as a fan, for fans, and I completed them. (As have many others with their work.) I've also had the pleasure of seeing people sharing parts of them on youtube and hearing responses from people not of this site or our immediate community. So in some ways my sub-par work has done some bit to remind others of what the original show was and raise awareness.

Here's my years in bsg (not including drawing vipers in school... although I may have to scan and share some at some point)

Started with doing artwork to learn 3d programs. Some early stuff here. This really introduced me to the online fandom.
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/artistpages/dkerin.htm

Sentinels Comic
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16648

Sentinels Trailer (plus exerpts from the re-edits at this site)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGX6BxE7OGc&feature=channel_page

Fan Edits of Saga, LPOTG, GOIPZ, WOT, LL, EIT, HOG, Return of Starbuck and a crossover episode I edited together combining BSG and Space 1999 (9 fan edits total).
The BSG/1999 and a few other things can be found here http://www.youtube.com/battlestar1999

There are two different trailers doing crossovers of BSG with Apes and V (also at above youtube page)

Continuing artwork which can be found at Renderosity and here under titles "Worlds of Battlestar Galactica"

Now working on animated story and have the teaser and artwork in progress here at CF.


I wish there was more done, I'm sure any fan would. But as a fan I have not heard crickets either. Eric is right, there is a large gathering of creativity from over the years, and I think people exploring the series can find a great deal here and elsewhere. To say no one has been doing anything is a disservice to the people who are creating things in their personal time for BSG and sharing them. And anyone with that creative spark should keep at it, whether the response is what was hoped for or not. If you enjoy it then stay at it... and I bet you someone else will enjoy it too. Of course there will always be those who tell you how it should have been different, but maybe that will get them to go and create something themselves.

If it wasn't for the sharing of creativity in the BSG community I doubt I would have done anything near what I listed above.

So be a fan and enjoy it! I think doing that is what inspires the creativity in many. There will always be the ones who will argue, but after 5 years of GINO and losing DeSanto's version, on the whole that fight is long over, and those remaining do so because they love the show.


My 2 cents.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I guess what I'm really missing is those days when the TOS BSG community was still a community, even if we all didn't agree with each other all the time. I feel that there are still good times to be had as a community, even if we don't have something specific to focus on.

Just call me the "mopey one", I guess.

Bryan


Bryan,

You're not the only one being mopey and with good reason. We share the same feelings and loss about the TOS community. That might contribute to my aversion at anyone screaming that we should take up the sword and fight, yet again, for what is a fruitless cause ... convincing blindly hostile people that they should be more appreciative of the original series and its fans and trying to get the attention of TPTB who clearly don't care.

I never felt you or anyone was pointing any fingers, nor was I trying to do so myself. I was only trying to illustrate that as a group, at times, we're a lot like a group of drunks at the bar vowing that as soon as they finish the next round, they're going to figure out why they're all becoming alcoholics.

Perhaps in that vein, combining the response to Malkyte about why I'm not doing any more Galactia projects was a misstep. It wasn't meant as an attack but merely a "State of the Fanbase", ... or at least for those wishing that something would have been made for the 30th anniversary.

Also, in the interest of total disclosure, there's probably a lesson from Iraq here, although some won't really like it because it sounds too much like surrender to some.

I think its probably time for almost everyone here to return to the Skiffy board and engage with the fans there. I see the end of GINO a lot like the Iraqi reconcilliation. There's a lot of ugly people there but the rules aren't the same as they used to be. Civility is militantly enfored (usually - sometimes its ignored). I think positive interactions there is probably a good idea, not because I think that we're going to sway anyone but because I hope it will start to restore a sense of unity.

They're a fractured lot as well and in many ways, in the same vein as we were a few years ago.

I also think that there's some good friendships to be made there. I know I have. I think some representation from the more reasonable of us can only be a benefit.

Eric, I didn't know you were still writing. I read the first few pages of the Baltar story. Good stuff. With some polish, it could make for a good audio production if you could get someone to produce it. I think your mastery of the Galactica story would be a pretty good foundation for a continuation via audio -- just a suggestion.

Jason, I look forward to seeing what you do with the DVDs.

For myself, expect two more episodes of "GINO - The Audio Production" and then I'm done with Galactica in every fashion except for checking out other folks productions and making occasional posts on the boards.


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

A Lot of good points have been made.

Eric, I think you hit the nail on the head.

So many of us, through the years, have dedicated countless hours, weeks, etc. pushing for, debating, fighting for, and putting out lots of energy for something that, in the end, seemed to vanish before our eyes.

The object of our drive was taken away by RDM and his followers, and turned into something that while named BSG, resembles very little of what we had fought for.

We have been ridiculed by the supporters of RDM, as well as RDM himself, ignored by the Suits, and had 4 years worth of Jiggling, former Playboy Bunny "Cylons" presented as "superior" to what we had fought for. We have heard the same arguments, over and over from the ginoids for years, berating TOS, in their frantic effort to bolster their RDM version, and downgrade the TOS.

After all of that, many of us, myself included. fell away. Hope for a return of the TOS, either as a Continuation, or in any shape manner or form we wanted seemingly gone.

However, all that being said, something about the Larson rumour was enough to bring more than just a few back.

Why is that?

Now, what Sandy has said may be spot on. Larson may "sell us out" to the Suits. Or, the rumour may just simply be the dying career gasps of a 73 year old Producer, who admittedly has seen his best efforts long in his rear view mirror.

But still, even if the odds are long against us , both in the rumour even being true, or us having any impact at all, have we all gotten so skeptical, jaded, or worse, resigned to the idea that BSG, as we could even hope for is completely dead in the wake of RDMs thing?

If we really have resigned ourselves to that, then what is it that brought people back?

Was it maybe, just maybe, that for the briefest of moments, before the old battles, old efforts, bad memories of defeat came welling back, we had hope again?

In light of that, can we honestly say that it's dead?

It may very well be.

But, is it?

[monolith21]

Ya know, I went to bed feeling a bit defeated about this all last night. I woke up with a whole new level of fight in me.

I was very much on the outside looking in these past years. I was loosely aware of the continuation efforts when I was in High School but didn't really get back into Galactica until 1999. I used to see all of your names pop up on the boards and I was pretty happy to see all the efforts to get Galactica out on DVD and a continuation made. I threw a few mudballs back in the day and wrote some long winded rants myself. I guess it is truly time to step it up a bit.

Galactica fandom seems to be a lot like the old football analogy. There are a few people out on the field in desperate need of rest and a few thousand looking on that are in desperate need of exercise. I think the "old guard" has well earned their time to simply be a fan if they want to. They most certainly don't owe the fans anything. However...any of you that have some fight in ya awesome!

I'm not sure where to go or how to get the message out. Maybe that is a good thing. A lot of different things have been tried.

I was thinking about something the other day and it seems that a lot of what we are talking about here is relevant. Battlestar fandom is nowhere near as organized as other fandom. There are a lot of people out there that are fans but don't even know places like this exist! Take a look at those news postings! I know about five of the people posting that are saying how great an idea this movie is yet there are a whole bunch of them!

I think whatever we do the fight is to get the movie made, not to prove which show is better. The Ginoids have their show. While they are looking at us yelling "you suck" I think we should be looking beyond them to the people who don't think that. We should be looking for ways to reach the fans.

The studios obviously don't give a damn. Like has been said here already, if we boots the fan morale then the studio MAY take notice.

One idea is this. Instead of putting money into an add, how about putting money into getting a decent sized booth at Comic Con. We can deck it out with props, screens showing the original series and the DeSanto stuff. We could work out some signings with the actors (if that is even possible. I spoke to Herb Jefferson about it and he seemed open). We could also throw some weight behind promotional swag. I'm envisioning this as more than just a fan booth.

Ok...now that was a bit of a rant. Sorry if it wasn't in the right place.

It would be a good way to spread the word though.
-Mark

[monolith21]

Oh and by the way Lord Starfyre...

NO WAY IS IT DEAD!

Just a little bruised that is all.

[jjrakman]

Jason, I look forward to seeing what you do with the DVDs.

Honestly, with all that I have on my plate these days, I doubt I'll ever be able to get to that. I scanned numerous magazine pages and posted them in the "My Collections" section intended for the project, but nobody else save a couple of others here and there, ever really brought anything to the table. I just don't have the energy to organize a project like this, when as you say, nobody really bothers to contribute. But at least the pages remain there for others to enjoy here.

But the idea has no copyright, so anyone who wants to take the idea and run with it, go for it.

But honestly, I'm pretty much in the same place as Sandy.

I've read the repeated statements made by a probably well intentioned Glen Larson many times over the years. This one just sounds like more of the same to me.

I've read the cryptic Faries-esque "I'm whistling" hints.

I've dealt with fan efforts in the past, and Sandy is right in that respect as well. Going all the way back to the efforts to boycott the advertisers of Sci Fi Channel before GINO ever even aired, something that many online fans volunteered for, but only two to my recollection even bothered to follow through with.

The CFF effort, though admirable, also had its faults in that much of the money that was donated came from large amounts by a few generous donators. The fact that fans everywhere couldn't cough up a measily 3 bucks and left the bulk of the donations to just a generous few was infuriating, at least to me.

I'd rather just enjoy the show, its art, and maybe even come up with a short vid myself now that I'm studying 3D Max.

I'm not going to bother with any pointless campaign where many volunteer and armchair quarterback but few actually do anything. There's just too many other things for me to do.

But good luck to those of you who do engage.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Jim,

Depends on what you're hoping for?

It might be the news article that brought people back but I'd like to think it is the community that keeps people around.

In the quirky, Internet, virtual way, a pretty substantial group of us have grown to what I'd consider to be part of a family, with some being on the extended fringe, and others intimately aware of each other's health issues, financial problems, dreams, desires, fears, and all the rest.

I like that about this group. For me, that's the value.

I didn't know Eric was still writing. I commend him on that and hope that more people are exposed to what he's done.

I like the tip-offs of the projects Peter finds. I like Shawn's music. I like Stallion's reviews. I like a lot of stuff.

I think that should be the focus of the spotlight.

I don't pretend to have the ultimate view on whether or not any continuation will ever come about. I admittedly have a very dim view on TPTB and anything that depends on their approval. Likewise, Larson's latest announcement sounds like his previous ones to these old ears. DeSanto is the ringer and he might just pull off a miracle. Stranger things have happened.

I'd love to see a lot of good come from the reunion. I'd love to see everyone help Jason get his DVDs made. I'd love to see a good revamp of the websites take place. (I have OldSciFi.com and would gladly launch it with a really grand BSG section. There's no reason I can think of that all of the original series websites can't replicate the original series pages.

I don't have all the answers. I don't pretend to.

At most, I'm in agreement with Bryan. I miss the unity of the old fanbase and would like to think that it was based on something more than a mob wanting to storm the castle and put Ron, Universal, and the rest to the sword.

FWIW, I got an e-mail from a director friend about 30 minutes ago that said that Glen Larson was trying to shop around a continuation of the original Battlestar Galactica. So far, he hadn't had any takers. I don't know if this guy really knows what he's talking about but there's the info as direct and raw as I know it.

All my best,


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

:) Sandy, I agree.

I have to agree with you, it is the community that does hold the value.

It really is what kept us going through the Milty/Ted nonsense, the RDM "Popcorn" BS, heck, even the bickering amongst ourselves, didn't always turn out badly. hehehe

I guess, for me, I think I'm ready again to try one more time, even if it just turns into another steaming pile.

How? Who knows! I'm juggling some ideas around.

[LordStarFyre]

Hypothetical questions time.

Purely hypothetical. (Place "I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing" disclaimer here)

Question #1

Would you, if the chance arose, AND if indeed Larson is trying to market his concept, be willing, ala the BSG-TSC trailer, to work for/with him to produce something similar? Even if there was no guarantee that it would be successful, or that even if it was that you might not be involved in the actual production?

Question #2

Knowing full well that whatever efforts we make now mostly likely will have little if any real results (ie securing the BSG we really want) What are you ready to do to fight for it? Whether that be writing letters, gather intel, Whatever?


I know, hypothetical questions are much akin to shooting from the lip, but after everything this Fanbase has experienced, JJ's line about "National Kick a Galactica Fan in the crotch Day" seems like a real possibility.

The odds haven't exactly been our ally.

What more are we willing to do?

[Kester Pelagius]

What have any of us done?

Interesting question. Mostly I've just enjoyed BSG, the series, novel, and Marvel comics. Haven't really "done" much of anything I suppose, unless poking fun at the GINO series counts?

Took a while to track these down via Google and, technically, I made made these for a Katee Sackhoff 'appreciation thread' but that's Galactia related, sort of. Right? ;)

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3467/starbuckilsa1ne9.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/204/gladiatrix3000smallqr9.jpg

These (posted back when rumours about Sackoff leaving the show were in circulation) got me in trouble with 'GINO' fanboys. I thought my take on Starbuck's possible fate was humorous but considering I wasn't really watching the series at the time I must have hit a nerve or something. Recognize the ship art? I think some of it came from here.

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/1909/starbuckc1thumbnaillr2.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7991/starbuckc2thumbnailqt6.jpg

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/9845/starbuckc3thumbnailvy4.jpg

And there was a Christmas e-card I did, that next to no one here probably saw. With apologies to Dirk Benedict but, in all honesty, this was a lot more fun to photoshop.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5838/xmassackhoffsmfe1.jpg

I know, compared with what those with real talent around here have done that was some pretty lame stuff. But it's something to chuckle at. And I thought this thread could use a few chuckles.

:nervous:

[Dawg]

I agree, too - it's the friends we've made over the years and our mutual appreciation of the talent of those friends that make this continued association worthwhile. I consider many of you close friends, even family. The fact we all see similar things in an old TV show that we all loved - and perhaps may love again - is now just icing on that cake.

I've been reflecting the last week or two, since this rumor broke. I joined this community in 2003, as that script was being "leaked", and I joined the fight. I ate it up, being part of something larger than myself, and I spent time and money and energy fighting the good fight. But at the end of the day nothing I said or did made any difference, except help create buzz about something I never wanted.

We got burned. We got burned by people who wished us ill (or pretended to be interested in what we had to say), but we also got burned by our own naivete, we got burned by our lack of commitment, we got burned by an unfeeling and heartless industry.

Six years of one disappointment after another, one fight after another, wears on you. So even this eternal optimist is not holding his breath - although I will confess to a new smile on my face because if this rumor did nothing else, it brought some of our oldest and most absent friends back out into the open.

I'm older and wiser than I was when I jumped into BSG fandom with both feet. I know now that nothing we did then was effective or would be effective now. We tried too hard too fast, and got burned - and maybe burned out - in the effort.

So right now, our energy should be directed in less protesting or militant actions, but rather to bring us all together under the BSG banner, let our talents blend as much as they can. My hat is off to those who can create what has been created and what will be created in the future. This effort needs to be more in the direction of building our love of this universe and draw in the fans by the hundreds, rather than convincing some suit that all twelve of us would watch a BSG movie. That way, if there is a continuation or a reboot we can be supportive, or even if there isn't there is still the solid foundation of us fans who will be here regardless.

I think I'm going to get back to work on that next fanfic I've been writing, in fact....

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[monolith21]

I've made some of the coolest and best friends of my life on this web site and through Galactica fandom. Heck I got to go on a cruise with a few of you! The sense of community always astounds me. Its a very tight knit group. It makes me want to meet more and more of you in person one day. None of this rides on a movie being made. Sure it would be awesome, but it won't change anything.

That being said on to the hypothetical questions!

I'd be willing to fight just to represent Galactica. Heck, I'd make coffee on a second coming style trailer just for the sake of doing it. It is frustrating not to get results, but for me never so much that the effort wasn't worth it. Its like playing my favorite game. Even if I lose...I still got to play my favorite game with some friends.

For example...lets say a bunch of us got together to promote or represent Galactica at a con. We work the booth pass out flyers or whatever. The goal is to spread the word. However the joy of it is hanging out with fellow Galactica fans and representing the show. Don't get me wrong, it would be a lot of work as some of you know better than I.

I do hope this movie happens. I will be dissapointed if we all get kicked in the crotch. However we'll all help each other back up like we always do. I guess I look at Star Wars fans and see how they are out in force promoting, celebrating, and generally putting a face on Star Wars fandom without the need to push for anything. That sort of fandom is what I wish for all of us just because there is a lot of fun and joy in it. People take notice of that sort of thing.

The "suits" know that we Battlestar fans have a lot of fight in us. My Uncle Peter worked at Fox all the way up until 2004 and dealt a lot with the Battlestar stuff. He made a comment to me at Christmas one year when I was really on him about it. "You guys never give up do you?"

I politely told him "no" even after he assured me it was never going to happen. Between Battlestar and Firefly its all I can do not to give him major grief around the holidays.

I guess part of my love of Battlestar fandom is the underdog fight.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Question #1

Would you, if the chance arose, AND if indeed Larson is trying to market his concept, be willing, ala the BSG-TSC trailer, to work for/with him to produce something similar? Even if there was no guarantee that it would be successful, or that even if it was that you might not be involved in the actual production?

Yes, I'd break out the old models and build new ones for this, ... not because I think it would go anywhere but because it would be a team effort with some folks I enjoy working with under the umbrella that I know something would eventually get produced. I'd ensure that there really was money and resources behind the effort before I'd raise my hand. My focus would be contributing to the overall community.

However, lacking something without that grand of a vision and oversight, I'd have to stay on the sidelines.


Question #2

[quote]Knowing full well that whatever efforts we make now mostly likely will have little if any real results (ie securing the BSG we really want) What are you ready to do to fight for it? Whether that be writing letters, gather intel, Whatever?

Respectfully, this is the point of my message.

I don't want to FIGHT for anything. The situation is what it is. If six years of experience playing this game hasn't taught everyone something I don't know what to say. There's a word that represents doing the same thing over and over the same way and expecting a different result.

If GINO/Caprica is to be the way of the future then so be it. I'll find whatever fragments of positives I can in that mess, ... or ignore it entirely if that seems the better option. If Larson comes through, then so be it as well. I'll see the movie, ... might even get involved in rallying for it if better details come down the pipe.

I'll continue to politely correct people who slander Fleets and folks I think have acted honorably. I am more mellow these days and don't intend to tangle with the likes of Ted and any various Teddish clones. Every post spent labeling someone like that an assclown is a couple pages on a script or e-mail to a friend.

As I said earlier, there will come a time when everyone needs to REALLY accept that GINO is the way things have gone and will likely continue to go. That doesn't mean intellectually recognizing that Ron Moore created a show called Battlestar Galactica and we identify that it sells on Amazon. It means emotionally accepting that this is how things are.

It also means recognizing that there are slices of fans who will always spit on the likes of us.

... and it also means that we collectively should get into a place where that doesn't in any way affect how we view ourselves and the old series.

Personally, I'd rather see that time come sooner rather than later. I think it would be far better for all of us. I agree with John. Protesting in any means isn't a viable path for our future as a fanbase ... at least as I envision it.


Russell

[peter noble]

The continuation ship has long since sailed. if Galactica ever comes back after the present series ends, it'll more than likely be different again.

I haven't actually watched a regular episode of the classic show in over 18 months-2 years (I'd watch the whole run every year since I got them all on video from about 1987).

The joy I get from it now is collecting rare photos and magzine articles.

I applaud efforts like David Kerin's because he's trying something a little different and going the whole CG route he's going to save himself a hell of a lot of money trying to recreate what you saw on the screen. (Something that makes a live action BSG fan film impossible.)

I just wish now, that with the wealth of information available on the original miniatures at resinilluminati.com and battlebuck.com, CG modellers would stop foisting bad CG recreations of them on us.

Peter

[Titon]

Can't believe how far this site has gone.

When Darrell and i worked to get it up and running i never believed in a million years it wouild progress this far. Which in itself is a huge accomplishment. The people that are here today are a direct reflection to what we've always hoped and dreamed for.

Personally this announcement has "some" legs. What those feet will produce is not quite clear. I for one wish for Mister DeSanto's involvement but to this day that also isn't the clearest. It would have to be a totally different story considering the GINO has stolen a good portion of Tom's original story. Which to this day i know for a fact severly angers the man to no end. But again only he know's what's up with all that.

For all that is available today there shouldn't be any reason fan creation's cannot succeed. Sad thing is there seems to be the real life drama going on for everyone and all good intentions of starting and finishing projects get's ultimately lost in the shuffle of real life. God know's i've got more things in the fire than most and to this day i still haven't finished what i've set out to accomplish. But maybe, just maybe that's what keeps me going on some of it. I enjoy taking things to the next level. Like i've stated i'm a modelor by trade. I build things in cg and other's have the ability to make them snap to attention with there animating skills. But again recently i've taken up playing more in the layout section of my software. Just to see how far i can take that. We'll see.

I just wish now, that with the wealth of information available on the original miniatures at resinilluminati.com and battlebuck.com, CG modellers would stop foisting bad CG recreations of them on us.



Although i agree with this Peter as much as i also agree with the statement these guys are trying and that's all i did when i started. Collecting this information over the years has been a very expensive and painful endevour. But again there is a reason there stuff doesn't quite look up to par. It's called impatience. Getting something "close" also pushes my product to the next level. I can tell you though when i see a model created by other's i can instantly tell if it's accurate or not. Some get very close but once i see perspective views i can tell instantly. This is one of the biggest things that keeps me going with mine. Accuracy. It's also a very painful downfall. Striving for accuracy has set me back so many years i doubt i'll be able to accomplish everything.

With that being said when i modeled the ships that show up in the new series they got inaccurate versions. There is details that are on those ships that were intentionally left off in order to keep the TOS the TOS. Just a nod to the original that did not belong in the new series.

But enough of that. The news of Larson once again has everyone buzzing and it may or may not happen. Sandy is correct. All the people i know directly involved with FX and such none have heard a whisper. To me that just doesn't make sense. Without the fans of the original the accuracy of the TOS is lost. Hence the word remake. If it's remade do they discount the original designs once again and make Galactica an unrecognized product? Where would that get you?

At least it's done one thing, brought a lot of you back and it's good to see you all again.

Don

[Titon]

I agree that sometimes feedback to work is not in the number the artist hopes it would be. However that does not mean it isn't being enjoyed. I've found in business too often people speak up for negative responses and rarely speak up for compliments. Luckily the group here is generally supportive. Yes, the topic may not go on at the top of the list forever, but it does seem appreciated.


This is a dead on quote. It's hard to know sometimes if it's good, bad or wonderful. It's hard for an artist of any measure to guage there work without feedback. Whether good, bad or indifferent i find it frustrating that you do not get more feedback. Sometimes i'm my own worst enemy. I'll actually really enjoy something but never post to say how much i had. But again sometimes we find ourselves wishing for more. That was good but i wish it was same ole same ole.

Take for instance my work on the cg model of the Galactica. To this day i have not seen a more accurate recreation. Now there could be but in our little world i have not. I've posted the wip in different places. Some really know what there looking at but some just ignore it. Not tooting my own horn here but why is that? You look at the view counters and they will read 300 views and 10 responses. As an artist i want to hear both perspective's. It's what makes us better. Even if it's not what you like we'd like to hear your thoughts. In the end with enough responses you'll get a more polished product that everyone will enjoy.

But i say again, someday's i'm my own worst enemy.

:)

[Stevew]

Don
As one who has modeled the "G" a number of times yours is the best I have seen and should be on the screen
If this turns out to be true, all BSG fans should get on the same page and unite in support of a movie that reflects what we all know and love
S

[JSC1]

I was goin to comment on the best format a film could make. But then I started reading a lot of the comments here.

It's true. We got burned. We got burned bad. And people enjoyed watching us get burned.

Okay so what next? Do we sit back and watch what happens or go one more round? And if you go one more round what guarantee do you have of winning?

In boxing if you make it to the fifteenth round you consider yourself lucky you made it that long. But there is still no guaraneee that you'll win the fight. You won't be performing at your best and the chances are higher that you'll lose more often than not. But still you keep going until you can't go anymore.

Will I go one more round? I think I still have some fight in me. But even I am not up to par. I might be able to make one last shot, but after that I'd probably be done.

That being said I want to bring up something I remember from the 'Milton' days. It was where there was a proposal about turning Moore's script into a prequel. Reactions I saw was that 'at least the original continuity would be preserved'. The fans I saw accepted this and thought it was the best that could be done. Of course we know what a joke that was.

Still we were willing to bargain and negotiate, as far as I had seen. The one point we agreed on was that the original be preserved and discarded. Universal and Moore were not willing to give on this one simple thing. Even when other proposals were brought forth like sidestory and distant continuation.

I will admit a continuation with as much of the original cast would 'no longer be practical'. If we get Boxey recast as an older man we should count ourselves lucky. Especially if it goes the distant continuation route. Should it go.

Currently I'm working on a blog article that chronicles the Galactica journey through my eyes. It's a bit away form being completed. But once it is done I'll post it. Then I'll work on other projects I have in the cue. One of them being researching my fan novel proposal.

[Malkyte]

I think its probably time for almost everyone here to return to the Skiffy board and engage with the fans there. I see the end of GINO a lot like the Iraqi reconcilliation. There's a lot of ugly people there but the rules aren't the same as they used to be. Civility is militantly enfored (usually - sometimes its ignored). I think positive interactions there is probably a good idea, not because I think that we're going to sway anyone but because I hope it will start to restore a sense of unity.


Sandy-


Like you and many others who have expressed their feelings at the present moment, I truly understand and feel similarly in a lot of respects. While I wasn't here for all of it (beginning of 2003), I have certainly been through enough of it to understand where people are at this point. I haven't contributed to this community nearly as much as some others have, or even as much as I have wanted to. That has been for multiple reason, of which real life has had a part in. I should also add though, as you have experienced, is that when I have tried to make a contribution, the reception has been less then impresive. I am kind of feeling that now.

I tried generating a few conversation pieces which I thought might be fun, but the level of particapation has been less then underwhelming.(I am hearing those crickets quite loudly at the moment) I didn't have to do it. I will be out of a job at the end of July, with no idea of where I will be after that, so I definitely have other things that I could be doing. But I thought I would try something.

Its actually not the only thing I have in the burner either. I am wokring with another person on a story, as well as finally getting to some CG work that I have been working on for a while now.

But frankly, as you and others have put it, the lack of even acknowledgement of efforts taken is very minimal in this community at the moment. I don't understand why, nor does it give me any incentive to continue or share what I may have.

There is a lot of reflection of things past and I am completely in agreement that, that has been over talked about and analyzed to death and we really should start looking and focusing forward. We certainly need to understand where we have come from, but the question now is how we want to move forward as a community... if we even want to do that. I think we do, but we need to start thinking like that. What's happened, has happened. I don't feel there is any need to dwell on it anymore.

I think part of the way we can move forward, is truly focusing on the things that brought us here in the first place, the reasons we enjoy BSG to this day. I made mention of a documentary in the brainstorming thread, in which we talk about what really made us love this story so much that we are still looking for the community that believes like we do. It would be a positive and classy way of reconnecting with the roots of this community, and provide an inadvertant and yet classy way of getting our message out there. And even if no one lese would care or listen to it, it would be a way to get back to the roots of it all.

Of course, that requires particapation, which is rather limited at the moment.

Finally, I just had to ask about the above quote that you made earlier. While I understand the idea behind it, how would returning to the Scifi board at this time be beneficial to any of us. The show is still going and there are still going to be people that love the new show there and desparage the original, which ultimately could errupt into uneccassary battles again. Most of us here, still have absolutely no love for GINO, so why go into a pro-GINO area to stir things up, especially if you're not even watching the show? Maybe AFTER the show finally ends, but even then I am not sure how that would be wise. ...And honestly, I would like to here that invitation, or olive branch if you will, from someone from their side before I would seriously consider it. Coming from you, while noble, does not have the same meaning. That's not meant in any disrespect, but rather that I want to see and hear that the other side is willing to come to the table as well.

Just my .02 cents.


Denes

[Kronus]

JSC1, your input here IS the cry of what a lot here have on their hearts...

I have been a fan of BSG since I was 9 years old...yep I was watching it as it was being aired for the first time. My parents were not big about letting my sister and I watch a lot of TV (Pentecostal Ministers) but they did like let us watch BSG since they liked the clear message of Good vs. Evil.

I never missed one airing of it...in fact I remember drawing the Viper in my art work class and even got an award for it. There were two things that I would mainly draw submarines and BSG Vipers. And when I went to Universal and saw the Cylon that walked around getting his picture taken, I have to admit he did scare me a little…not because he was different or strange but because I was into the story of the show and found myself living it in that moment because I knew what that Cylon Centurion stood for.

Now I never got involved with online fan sites like this one until around 2004, I started here in 2005 when it still represented Blue and Red...(I obviously chose Red). It was a total different feeling then…

If we are going to be active in our fandom it is logical to side with some who posted here (I believe it was Kester Pelagius and even TwoBrainedCylon made mention as well) on coming up with something on our own before we go out and start collecting cubits for a campaign. When the time does come for donations let’s make sure it is for something that we will get what we expect from our efforts. (We need to set goals that are reachable and not so dependent on Larsen and Universal)

*Staying a bit on topic* From reading the responses from most here it does look like it would be in the best interest for the TOS BSG to go through a re-boot...IMNSHO. That would be what I would be willing to accept and in hopes to spark a new wave of fans to TOS BSG and correct and re-establish some things as well.

BUT in the mean time, we the fans should start to focus mainly on what is ahead of us and not on the hopeful "rumors" to again set ourselves up for another disappointment. If we keep ourselves focused on "What can we do today for TOS BSG Fandom?" And begin to get many of our greatly talented members here and elsewhere together and see what we could come up with and take those productions with us to many of the SciFi CONs(as Monolith & jjrakman pointed out)...There is no telling where it will all lead up to (Hopefully in new recruits and more recognition for TOS).

I like the idea of coming up with ideas on what we can do right now despite whether or not this movie ever does get made or comes to light. If the "powers that be" can't or won't make things happen then it is up to us to do it ourselves. It is up to us to keep our expectations in check and not set ourselves up for further disappointment...remain focused on what we can do...that is all that should be expected.

(I don't take lying down very easy, even though the odds are against me, I will fight until there is no fight left and as long as I draw breath I will continue to fight)

[KJ]

I JUST WANT TO BE A FAN AND ENJOY BEING A FAN WITH OTHER FANS!!!

Someday, everyone is going to have to accept, ... and I mean REALLY accept, that Ron got control of Galactica and turned it into something he thought was cool and which many of us hated. I believe that everyone will also have to accept that Battlestar Galactica is not going to return in the way that people desperately wish it would. I really wish I was wrong on that but I respect everyone way too much to pretend otherwise.

So, I wish that everyone would instead focus on enjoying Battlestar Galactica rather than fighting for it. I think we'd all enjoy our personal experiences a lot more and would enjoy how we interact as a group a lot more.

I don't know if that sounds sagely or stupid ... but sincerely, I don't think that's an unreasonable position.


Sad but true!

Far as other aspects of enjoying BSG go, perhaps a CFF petition and advertisment campaign in starting a big project along the lines of getting 'Battlestar Galactica Re-Mastered' and onto Blu-Ray would be a better angle to go for rather than go the painful; wanting of a big screen movie update etc.

I mean, beyond my love of DVD's, the format has rarely been tested to its fullest extent or ever used properly 100% of the time, in my opinion. My only proposal realistically, cos i'm very imaginative. Is to outline what such an undertaking either officially, by getting Universal to do it through a big movement, although very unlikely and extremely hard, given the amount of effort the 2003 DVD took before they were released. Or unofficially given the creative and satisfying fan based projects seen on various "fanedit" websites.

But i say that i, only took a real interest in this whole thing, cos of that thread inwhich Jjrakman wanted David Kerin to undertake the same/similar thing!

In my absense, i'm suprised the huge interest wasn't still here. I'm sorry if my personal problems in realation to my computer, phoneline connection and other issues, made you all think the project was off cos i wasn't around. But in responce to what you said eariler Sandy, yeah me too. Both you and i thought alog similar lines and while it was put off or delayed somewhat i haven't given up o it yet. You and i both know of such a projects pitfalls, and i've mulled over your pm's on-and-off for quite a while recently in regards to handling it right. Yours was WAY bigger than my way of going about it, but yeah, its got several ways of being produced in the long run.

While i and others have been creative in its ideas originally, i say if i wasn't able from a creative standpoint. Then i'd put my backing behind a CFF mass fan colaboration without it ever becoming a "monster" project thats too big for anybody to handle right. But my CFF request would be for it to be a Star Trek Remastered style project akin to DK's SE fan edits rather than the pilot documentary i envisioned.

It would be to get BSG onto Blu-Ray with many extras, if it were to be a big project. Contacting those people who work in the industy, Universal's video department and even working with Larson's people or talking to him and especially the original stars themselves at conventions etc, and see whether or not they'd go for it or could support the fans love for such an undertaking. Or for the BSG DVD project to be a documentary, if it were much smaller project like the Star Wars fan made; "Deleted Magic", "Buliding Empire" and "Returning To Jedi" if this was a far more feasible goal.

Anyways, thats all for now from me. Yeah, even if i got my wish and we had a big budget BSG movie i know it'll be different for the 78 series. But that dream like the poor sleeping giant who's in a coma from nefarious types meddling (TPTP), will kinda live a little longer when these news clips keep coming in, even if we've moved on somewhat.

Talk to you later people!


KJ

[LordStarFyre]

General, you hit on how I've been feeling, as did JSC1, Monolith, and others.

While what I really want is a true Continuation of the TOS. Quite honestly, the fact that the Original cast members are getting a wee bit long in the tooth (Come on, admit it, the real Old Guard are as well Me Included) doesn't really adversely affect that. In fact it kinda adds to it. The Original Cast would be Fleet Elders (Quorum of the 12 Members, Commander Apollo(?), etc) and the new Cast, younger Warriors, etc would be who the action centers around.

However, if the best I can hope for is an updated reboot, with the Original Themes and base concepts (Chariots of the Gods, the King Tut flight helmets, Yahrens, Centons, etc) with new people playing Apollo, Adama, Starbuck (M A L E) Boomer (M A L E) and E V I L ALIEN Mechanical / Reptillian Cylons, I'm almost OK with that too. Even I have to admit that the limitations of the 70s (ie the restrictive Television Code, ships-on-a-stick FX, stock shots o-plenty, etc) could be eliminated in a re-boot.

Heck, even a Distant Past "Flight from Kobol" and the establishment of the Colonies, with entirely new Characters, Villans, intriques, and story arcs might even be pretty cool, provided it's within the TOS universe.

What's important to me is the escapist Fantasy elements. I never read 3 Musketeers to experience Porthos' angst and dysfunction. I seriously want the Heroics, the commardery, the elements that inspire the imagination. It should be a roller coaster adventure, not a psych drama, or a long drawn out episode of Melrose Place in Space.

I want to hear the roar of the Vipers n space, or the sounds of the Lasers and explosions, even though there is in reality, no sound in space.

I need Sci-Fantasy that takes me away from reality, not a Sci-Fi version of Jerry Springer, that simply reminds me of how screwed up the world is.

Is all the dysfunction more "Real"? Yes, certainly. But isn't the whole point of Sci-Fantasy to suspend reality?

[Kester Pelagius]

Battlestar fandom is nowhere near as organized as other fandom.

Fandom is a funny thing. It's like an esoteric experience, sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't, and invariably those not "in the know" that catch glimpses of it in action are just mystified. You have these mystic crewes of Klingons and Federations that dress up and do things, so I've heard, and then there are people who spend goodly amounts of money to dress up as Storm troopers (in awesome looking armor) and *gasp* there's even lady Stormtroopers yet consider. .

When was the last time you saw a group dressing up in spandex to represent the Earth Protectorate?

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I think whatever we do the fight is to get the movie made, not to prove which show is better. The Ginoids have their show. While they are looking at us yelling "you suck" I think we should be looking beyond them to the people who don't think that. We should be looking for ways to reach the fans.

Modern fans are (or seem to be) fickle creatures. Do you remember how big XENA: THE WARRIOR PRINCESS seemed to be when it was on the air? You could hardly do a Google search for anything related to fantasy without getting a hit from a dedicated Xena site. Seemed like there were hundreds of fan sites cluttering up cyberspace. Try to specifically do a search for Xena sites now. There's not many of them left.

Same holds true for LEXX, CLEOPATRA 2525, and will probably happen to the current incarnation of Galactica. Or not. The current fan base have grown up in a world of youtube and ipods and facebook and instant messaging and half a hundred other things that never existed when we were watching BSG in it's first run. Yet for all that vitriol that gets poured onto fans of the old series what has the new fanbase done? I'm sure they must have done something, right? It's not like I've gone out of my way to look for it and they, after all, have a leg up on most of us as they probably have the best computer mom and dad's money can buy with all the new widgets and gadgets and do-wah hickeys and what not.

Yet I'm not aware of any fan series from the new fanbase either. I don't know if it's that youths today are just less passionate about things or if, like someone with ADD, they're not really "fans" so much as "followers" looking to grab onto the pop culture trend of the moment to fit in. But I'm guessing it's mostly the latter. Either that or I've just been living under the proverbial rock.

The studios obviously don't give a damn.

Correction: The Studios don't see these "series" as anything other than exploitable properties. They do care, it's just that what they care about isn't quality of narrative or plot or story, it's the bottom line; meaning money.

The new incarnation of Galactica remains on the air for one reason and one reason only, it's making money. If it wasn't turning a profit for someone it would have been pulled quicker than MERCY POINT or COVINGTON CROSS.

One idea is this. Instead of putting money into an add, how about putting money into getting a decent sized booth at Comic Con.

To what end? These events have turned pretty commercial. As I understand it actors don't show up to these events for free so there's an additional fee right there, and that doesn't even speak to the expectation of them NOT flying in on their own dime or staying in a hotel on their own dime, rooms to screen stuff probably aren't free, and "promotional swag" isn't free but, more to the point what, exactly, would we be promoting? Nostalgia? Happy memories?

Now if some of you had your own comic store or business with merchandize that could be taken to a con then you could use BSG as a theme around which your booth is outfitted. Be a good excuse to go to a con, anyway. But you need a solid game plan going in. If you're not going to be making money, or getting something out of the endeavor, then that's all money down the drain; and for what? These are harsh economic times.

EDIT: Sorry, someone had to say it.

The fact that fans everywhere couldn't cough up a measily 3 bucks and left the bulk of the donations to just a generous few was infuriating, at least to me.

Why? What makes any one fan group entitled to people's money more than another? I'll bet there's a lot of BSG fans with cross over interests who have to manage their money as best they can. And, let's be honest, most people probably feel the same way you do when you say. .

I'm not going to bother with any pointless campaign where many volunteer and armchair quarterback but few actually do anything. There's just too many other things for me to do.

I know it's cynical to say but people, being human, are probably waiting to see if anything actually comes of the talk before deciding they want to take an active part. So when they hear about a BSG event but don't KNOW it's really going to come together yet KNOW that in a few weekend's time they'll be getting together with their friends in their Federation Crew. .

Fans aren't to blame for this attitude though it's politics. Yeah, that's who we should blame for this jadedness, politics! ;)

Too..

I don't want to FIGHT for anything. The situation is what it is. If six years of experience playing this game hasn't taught everyone something I don't know what to say. There's a word that represents doing the same thing over and over the same way and expecting a different result.

True, this does start to sound like a text book example of an effort in futility. And, honestly, who wants to FIGHT? I just want to enjoy some good sci-fi. I don't care who's involved, so long as they care about sci-fi and the material they are working with. Alas. .

We got burned. We got burned by people who wished us ill (or pretended to be interested in what we had to say), but we also got burned by our own naivete, we got burned by our lack of commitment, we got burned by an unfeeling and heartless industry.

The fact the mini-series aired on Sciffy, of all places, pretty much said it all. Too, though I didn't know it at the time, that Ron Moore was spearheading this should have been a big clue it wasn't going to be good. The man, according to some, is responsible for driving the Trek franchise into the ground. He seems, again according to what I've read about him as I do not know the man personally, to actually despise the sci-fi genre (seems too incredible to me as that's his bread and butter but I'm just reporting what I've heard) and has, at times, expressed open hostility towards fans of the genre. Now the latter I can believe as I did she him appear, briefly, in some Trek related documentary and just from his comments he seemed to be expressing a unusual derision of the franchise for one that worked so intimately with it. But who knows what the root cause of that was.

So right now, our energy should be directed in less protesting or militant actions, but rather to bring us all together under the BSG banner, let our talents blend as much as they can.

Well said.

[peter noble]

Far as other aspects of enjoying BSG go, perhaps a CFF petition and advertisment campaign in starting a big project along the lines of getting 'Battlestar Galactica Re-Mastered' and onto Blu-Ray would be a better angle to go for rather than go the painful; wanting of a big screen movie update etc.

I think that's a pretty good suggestion.

As yet there is no sign of TOS on Blu-ray and to make a possible package 'pop' for people who already own the DVD it's got offer something different.

Maybe they could release the series but the two-part episodes could actually be the TVM versions.

Don says the new series never got 100% accurate CG recreations of the miniatures. If more accurate versions of theses models exist then maybe time would be better spent putting something together that could convince Universal Home Video to remaster the series.

It'd also may be light a fire under Don's astrum to get his baseship and G finished. ;)

[Kronus]

I need Sci-Fantasy that takes me away from reality, not a Sci-Fi version of Jerry Springer, that simply reminds me of how screwed up the world is.

Is all the dysfunction more "Real"? Yes, certainly. But isn't the whole point of Sci-Fantasy to suspend reality?
Kai LordStarFyre! Well said!

I cannot count the number of times how depressed I would get watching the RDM version. Week after week of "why in Gre'thor am I alive" feeling. You NEVER felt that way with TOS. My Kahless, if it wasn't for my morbid curiosity on RDM's frakked up version I would have been driven to hunt this pataQ down and stick him on a pike!

If I wanted to feel this way about our humanity then I would just need to sit in front of my TV and watch the news and read our local/national newspapers! :errr:

[Kester Pelagius]

Is all the dysfunction more "Real"?

NO!

Dysfunction is what hack writers use to pass something off as being "gritty" and more "realistic" but, if you look around you, your house, your work place, your neighborhood. . . Do you see it? Is that your reality? Is it?

I don't believe it is.

Well, okay, there was that woman who dialed 911 to complain about McNuggets. But that's just stupidity.

;)

[KJ]

Far as other aspects of enjoying BSG go, perhaps a CFF petition and advertisment campaign in starting a big project along the lines of getting 'Battlestar Galactica Re-Mastered' and onto Blu-Ray would be a better angle to go for rather than go the painful; wanting of a big screen movie update etc

I think that's a pretty good suggestion.

As yet there is no sign of TOS on Blu-ray and to make a possible package 'pop' for people who already own the DVD it's got offer something different.

In closing, i'll say this for now.

But akin... to the Star Trek Remastered effort but FAR BETTER and realised.

And for the extras to incorperate and include the original actors participation. Think this'll cost money so alot of brainstorming over whats needed would need to be discussed first and off-hand with those in the know.

BSG was shot on film, so the remastering needs to be done to the deleted scenes regradless of cost, the episodes for the first ever would have to be shown uncut with the deleted scenes restored in their proper order and placement, all continuity issues fixed (Apollo/Starbuck scene with Cain shown uncut officially, the drawing of the blaster/gun in LL on the Pegasus etc.)

CFF could then easily handle the fan requests of what would be realistic and necessary in advertising a possible re-release of BSG onto Blu-Ray with all-new extras as a lure for those who want to buy the series again, but wouldn't necessarily be double dipping etc.

There's more to say, but you guys and handle it til i pop in again!

Laters

KJ

[LordStarFyre]

hehehe KP, you obviously never met my Ex-Wife.

She makes most of the GINO-cast look downright normal.

In all seriousness though, let's face it, this world is a pretty messed up place. That's not a political statement, just an observation.

The world itself can be dark, and gritty.

I agree that the dysfunction is simply a tool for unimaginative hacks to provide filler for their apparent lack of creative skills.

[Eric Paddon]

Eric, I didn't know you were still writing. I read the first few pages of the Baltar story. Good stuff. With some polish, it could make for a good audio production if you could get someone to produce it. I think your mastery of the Galactica story would be a pretty good foundation for a continuation via audio -- just a suggestion.


Many thanks! The VS project is a collective effort, and I was kind of out of the mix for a year while the other authors did their stories, but I've been back in of late and finally got to do one of the stories I'd waited more than two plus years to finally do and it was something that I like to think took the whole BG universe in more....intriguing direction. :) Senmut, who has been a member here at Fleets is currently doing the fourth story of our "Third Season" with some rewrites from me and the other authors where necessary to keep the continuity straight.

I appreciate your suggestion that this kind of fanfic I've been involved with (and I'll add that what I heard of your audio work was very professionally well-done and well-worth listening to) would work great in the audio medium, and that kind of gets back to something I've always wondered. We've heard about ideas of animated continuations in the past, but it always seemed to me that as the cast got older, the audio medium would have been a more cost-effective way to go *if* it could have been done with the production values of the Star Wars NPR radio dramatizations where you had the access to the music score and sound FX library to properly underscore everything. The "Theater of the Mind" would certainly have been a great way to have considered doing it, and heck, it's the one medium where it can never truly be too late to utilize people like Richard, Dirk, Herb, Anne, Laurette etc. with just the right voice actors to approximate those who are no longer with us.

As for seeing the series released on Blu-Ray, not being a fan of that format I'm not too anxious to see that happen, but I will say that the last truly great moment of satisfaction there ever was to be had as a Galactica fan from something "official" was the DVD release in 2003. I never in a million years thought I'd see all those deleted scenes *plus* we saw the episodes beautifully remastered for the time, and keep in mind that Universal as a general rule has NOT remastered any of their other vintage TV series for DVD releases, but instead uses old videotape masters from the early 1990s rather than going back to the film negatives as they did for the Galactica DVD release (just try watching the last two seasons released of "Emergency!" on DVD and you will see examples of lousy source material being utilized). So while we as a fanbase have been screwed on so many fronts, the one time we did come out ahead was on the DVD release and for that I do remain grateful.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I think that's a pretty good suggestion.

As yet there is no sign of TOS on Blu-ray and to make a possible package 'pop' for people who already own the DVD it's got offer something different.

Maybe they could release the series but the two-part episodes could actually be the TVM versions.

Don says the new series never got 100% accurate CG recreations of the miniatures. If more accurate versions of theses models exist then maybe time would be better spent putting something together that could convince Universal Home Video to remaster the series.

It'd also may be light a fire under Don's astrum to get his baseship and G finished. ;)

I concur. I think pushing for a well done special edition of the original series, with restored scenes and some very professionally done and tailored VFX would be a viable arguement to Universal. Of all the rallying ideas, I think this one likely does meet the best criteria as the enhancements could be done fairly cheaply compared to the potential return on investment.

Its also an area where the fanbase could make a direct impact, not by representing the audience but by providing a capability and linking with other resources.

I'd think to make this pitch, you'd have to have a well constructed and researched proposal, a 3-minute rework of an example scene showing how it could really be transformed without looking goofy (which sadly the reworked Trek seemed to be), and a good rundown of the resources you had on hand.

I don't mean this to imply that this would be done out of someone's garage. It would require reaching out to the professional-level folks a number of us know and doing for this pitch what Richard was never able to accomplish, ... to make Universal think that this was the path to take without trying to reinvent the idea.

The danger is that they'd want to work GINO stuff into this new edition to promote that series more by linking the two more closely together. Imagine Gamorrah with Tricia Helfers and the GINO centurions walking around in the background and the GINO vipers mixed in the space shots with the original series stuff. It sounds stupid but they've made more rediculous decisions before.

Yet, I think with the right folks putting it together, backed by a few bucks from the larger fanbase, a pretty good proposal could be worked and it MIGHT have a chance of getting pushed forward, especially if some of the names that did the VFX on GINO were attached to the project.

All my best,


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

AMEN Sandy!

'nuff said.

[Athene]

It was a glorious time!

In all fairness when monolith and I approached one of the panalists that was "pro" the new BSG and was a TOS "Hater" (as monolith stated not in a threatening way)...which I think he still was feeling a bit threatened with a 6 foot tall 250lb Klingon getting right in his face and staring down at him didn't help....LOL!

All I said when monolith and I approached the pannelist was "here is one of the haters." He gave me a big scared looked and I thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head...he did back pedal real quick and said he didn't hate TOS BSG.

Monolith and I were just wanting him to know that we appreciated the TOS show and wanted him to know that there are fans out here who still appreciate what the TOS BSG stood for. He seemed relieved by our approach...as it should be. As TwoBrainedCylon stated, 'who are we defending against?' I enjoyed your post on this TwoBrainedCylon!

Reaper, you are so dead on! Getting out there and showing others that the TOS fan base is still alive and kicking is what is strongly needed. I too am in the process in getting my colonial uniform and I too will be there hitting as many of these CONs here in the Southern Cal area.

And I challenge any and all of you to do the same in your areas to the best of your abilities...we need to send out a message that goes beyond just mailers and emails (which by the way these should be done as well and in huge force). Attend as many CONs as you can afford and if time does not permit, sponsor someone to go on your behalf.

My Kahless, I thought I would have never see many of you back again but look, here you are...it is a good day to die!

I may play a Klingon here but we are all warriors! It is time we rise back up in unity and in force and make it known to all...TOS BSG IS HERE AND IT IS HERE TO STAY!

Well said! I agree wholeheartedly that TOS BSG is here to stay! :thumbsup: :salute:

[BST]

Like many who have spoken before me, I'm wrestling with how much I want to open my heart for this "rumor". I would be overjoyed if the rumor turned out to be true, if the film was produced, and especially if, somehow, we could all converge on a single location to view the film.

THAT would put a smile on my face that would take one hell of a long time to remove.

As Sandy, John, and Don have mentioned, this place has evolved way beyond a nice little corner of the universe to chit-chat about Galactica. Many of us have opened our hearts and let others inside. We care about each other, just like any other family. We've shared personal triumphs and personal tragedies. We've worried about our friends who were in parts of the world that were less than hospitable, like the Hotel Baghdad. Some of us even checked the casualty reports hoping to hell that we'd never see a name that we recognized.

Through it all though, I think that we all learned about things that we didn't know and maybe even a little bit about ourselves that we didn't know. We've built rock-solid friendships with folks that, in some cases, we've never met face-to-face. How could that be, one might ask? It's easy when each one is open and honest with the other. That's what the folks in this place have done and, by doing so, have helped turn Fleets into a little slice of heaven, at least for me (and hopefully for others).

:)

I've said before that I'm just overwhelmed with the amount of talent that resides here and with the willingness that it's shared, by those who possess the talent, whether it's graphic art, modeling, or fanfic.

I truly do have it easy.... I get to sit back and appreciate it all whether I go to the Fleets Gallery (http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/) or Colonial Library (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61) or want to find out All About Models (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110). Other times, I may want to check up on a finished project in Art Work – Finished (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=102) or check up on one that's Art Work In Progress (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=101).

Then, if I really want to try something different and put the proverbial gray matter to work, I'll try a New Twists on Old Episodes (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=76).


These may be shameless plugs to some but, to me they are concrete examples of what I stated above. Even if I never saw the (real) Galactica except in re-runs, the contributions and friendships that I have, here, will last me a lifetime.

:salute:

[Gemini1999]

I concur. I think pushing for a well done special edition of the original series, with restored scenes and some very professionally done and tailored VFX would be a viable argument to Universal. Of all the rallying ideas, I think this one likely does meet the best criteria as the enhancements could be done fairly cheaply compared to the potential return on investment.

Its also an area where the fanbase could make a direct impact, not by representing the audience but by providing a capability and linking with other resources.

I'd think to make this pitch, you'd have to have a well constructed and researched proposal, a 3-minute rework of an example scene showing how it could really be transformed without looking goofy (which sadly the reworked Trek seemed to be), and a good rundown of the resources you had on hand.

I don't mean this to imply that this would be done out of someone's garage. It would require reaching out to the professional-level folks a number of us know and doing for this pitch what Richard was never able to accomplish, ... to make Universal think that this was the path to take without trying to reinvent the idea.

The danger is that they'd want to work GINO stuff into this new edition to promote that series more by linking the two more closely together. Imagine Gamorrah with Tricia Helfers and the GINO centurions walking around in the background and the GINO vipers mixed in the space shots with the original series stuff. It sounds stupid but they've made more rediculous decisions before.

Yet, I think with the right folks putting it together, backed by a few bucks from the larger fanbase, a pretty good proposal could be worked and it MIGHT have a chance of getting pushed forward, especially if some of the names that did the VFX on GINO were attached to the project.

You know something....

When I was reading about this while I was at work today, this really seemed to be a scathingly brilliant idea. I thought of how the "enhanced" Trek episodes basically rebooted the broadcast quality for the orignal series on television and also sold CBS/Paramount a whole new set of DVDs for Trek fans that just had to have yet another version of their favorite show.

In terms of BSG, we were lucky because Universal Home Video used great source material (as Eric mentioned) when they created the DVD release a few years ago. The idea of having updated and enhanced VFX does have a lot of merit to it. Dave K has already done a brilliant job of exhibiting that premise already, so we know that it works and sharpens up the episodes quite a bit. You can do away with the repetitive footage and replace it with more unique shots. You can even do shots that weren't practical or affordable at the time due to costly motion control techniques. In terms of a proposal, this is a good piece of proposal material. The only thing left would be to market the idea to Universal and have someone in mind to do the actual effects work for the entire series. Until Sandy said that someone professional would have to do it, I almost pictured having our own "team" do batches of episodes and when they were all ready, then send the proposal to Universal in preparation in case they said yes. (I know, my thinking is overly simplistic, but it was fun thinking about it).

I guess in the end, the idea of having a new film based on the original series would be fun, but I really could live with the idea of having our community contribute to BSG fandom that everyone could enjoy. If Larson does manage to peddle his "white elephant" to someone, then fine, we can wait to see what comes of it. If not, we'll still have our own achievement and our contribution to BSG fandom.

When it comes to the writing, effects, etc. that everyone's contributed, I still have to wonder about the benefit if those concepts were marketed commercially somehow. In terms of the stories that Steve wrote for the TOS era and even a blending of TOS & TNS, I know I pestered him to submit those stories to a publisher - If Richard Hatch can do it, I know someone else can & why not? Maybe those stories could be done as graphic novels. Eric mentioned how he hated the recent TOS comic stories - maybe if the story quality was better, then you'd just need a graphic artist to do them properly and you've got a finished product, eh? I know, I'm oversimplifying the effort quite a bit, but I'm a typical consumer and don't know much about those things.

In terms of the community, what I miss most is the togetherness that we all shared. It's true, there are some of us clinging to Colonial Fleets, Tombs of Kobol and a couple of other sites even though the posting traffic has dwindled to a pitifully small level. What I miss is the size and diversity of the community that we used to have and the times we shared together. We lost a large group of people when Fleets offloaded the TNS part of the forum, but it seemed that almost as large of a group wandered off on their own because there wasn't anything in BSG fandom to focus on anymore. I always wonder what things were like prior to Richard proposing his "Second Coming" idea, before the DVD's, the 12-inch figures, etc. that we see today - yet the community still existed just because of the original series and what it meant to them. When I think of the idea of a show only running for 17 episodes in 1978 and it was powerful enough to keep people going for nearly 20 or more years afterwards, that's a pretty strong statement about the source material.

I guess as long as we properly honor that source material, pay tribute to it occasionally and have fun as a community, maybe that new film isn't needed, but it would still be nice to have all the same. I've always had so much fun on this forum and I've considered it "home" for 6 years now. I've thought about just letting it go, but I can't because it would feel like I was letting all those memories go as well. I still think that there's some life left in me, this website and the fanbase as well. We just need to find a way to invigorate it ourselves and make it a place that people want to come to again and make it their "home" tool.

I really cherish all you people and I'm glad that some of you are still around to hear me say that.

Bryan

[Titon]

If more accurate versions of theses models exist then maybe time would be better spent putting something together that could convince Universal Home Video to remaster the series.


The correct ones reside on my hard drives and are backed up on many different discs and medium. Especially the Basestar which to this day is still the most finished and polished product out of all of the models. Which is astounding if you think about it since we did not know the real one still existed.

I find it fascinating how much of me is a part of new Galactica. The ships i made were pulled a part and nurnie kit's were distributed to all the artist's when the new series began. It's ironic that yours truely has had such a hand in the overall look of the series ship's.

But the good thing is they didn't get the true versions. We always kept that little piece of the TOS to ourselves and to this day they remain that way.

Back when the new series started Lee Stringer was of course our FX supervisor. He wanted a copy of the Basestar back then but we refused to let it go. To this day i'm glad we didn't simply because another one of it's design does not to this day exist.

[KJ]

Honestly, with all that I have on my plate these days, I doubt I'll ever be able to get to that. I scanned numerous magazine pages and posted them in the "My Collections" section intended for the project, but nobody else save a couple of others here and there, ever really brought anything to the table. I just don't have the energy to organize a project like this, when as you say, nobody really bothers to contribute. But at least the pages remain there for others to enjoy here.

But the idea has no copyright, so anyone who wants to take the idea and run with it, go for it.

But honestly, I'm pretty much in the same place as Sandy.

I've read the repeated statements made by a probably well intentioned Glen Larson many times over the years. This one just sounds like more of the same to me.*

I've read the cryptic Faries-esque "I'm whistling" hints.

I've dealt with fan efforts in the past, and Sandy is right in that respect as well. Going all the way back to the efforts to boycott the advertisers of Sci Fi Channel before GINO ever even aired, something that many online fans volunteered for, but only two to my recollection even bothered to follow through with.

The CFF effort, though admirable, also had its faults in that much of the money that was donated came from large amounts by a few generous donators. The fact that fans everywhere couldn't cough up a measily 3 bucks and left the bulk of the donations to just a generous few was infuriating, at least to me.

I'd rather just enjoy the show, its art, and maybe even come up with a short vid myself now that I'm studying 3D Max.

I'm not going to bother with any pointless campaign where many volunteer and armchair quarterback but few actually do anything. There's just too many other things for me to do.


I just meant yesterday, that i wasn't going to take full credit and hog the limelight, for the great conversations several of us, over on the David Kerin-special BSG re-edits page thread you started is all dude, i wanted to include you too and sandy, cos you guys inspired my talks and feedback over there is all!

*Far as the Larson situation goes, having met the man only once and for a brief moment, i can say he is a gentleman and nice chap dispite all the disappointments with him not following up on his comments. And although to many that still wouldn't excuse the delys, if he does indeed owns the copyrights to the theatrical film rights to his original BSG series. I too was shocked when 2 months after i broke the news online to you guys (and gals), that i went to the NEC Birmingham convention in 2005 to meet the series stars, and although greatful in showing them the footage of me and Larson together and him saying he'd love to do a movie within 18 months on my camcorder, they were all unimpressed and unconvinced wih his statements.

He's not a bad man, but we'd all wish he could follow through is all, as do the entire BSG cast and crew too. But i'll say this in his defense, he ain't the only hollywood producer to want to revive a classic series and put it up on the big screen. Last i remember as well as Glen Larson's other shows like; Knight Rider, Magnum, The Six Million Dollar Man (The Bionic Man) other classic like the Time Tunnel, The Man From U.N.C.L.E were always said to be in Development Hell or possibly being fast-tracked over the years as well. So while yes, we deserve our doubts on his ability to do this alone by himself. The news of BSG being revived in any shape or format over the year for this amount of time, probably does point to it being taken more seriously than other classics TV shows that, although as remembered and had equal name recognition, the others have a much lesser chance of ever being made into a film, and if they were probably wouldn't be treated with as much respect and be totally changed to the point of being unrecognisable etc.

KJ

[KJ]

I also want to thank Sandy for reminding me that, although we're all big fans of the show and as fans of it on this fanbase, not to fall into the trap of talking big game and not following through. So with that in mind, yes i do want to do the DVD's, but whether they turn out to be a minor thing or much larger project. That'll take time and i'd need to seriously research and involve other folks at some point.

And most important, not ever try to cheerleader it, at all!!! Only in a serious discussion passionately talk about it and what it would entail is all. If i'm not caperable of it, then i'll come out and say so once i've hit a wall, but its early days yet, so give me some more time o.k., and i'll avoid the pitfalls of making any wild promises and leading anybody on I'LL NEVER DO THAT!

But once again.... if you're all tired of news clips online always saying there's going to be a BSG movie and we're left hanging all the damn time. Then yes an organised CFF effort i'd back. Fans might as well give themselves what they've always wanted. But we'd have to ask the serious questions on how to do it properly and be more involved with professionals and independent companies that can work on a fan project that we're discussing like this.

But yeah like the Singer/DeSanto ads for the 2001 BSG revival, seeing CFF produce ads in Variety or CFQ again showcasing an ad for BSG to be on Blu-Ray DVD, in its uncut and in a newly; "Remastered" format with possible 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound DTS would be sweet indeed.

But it'll work best instead if it were made as a 'photoshopped' poster, then put online on CFF's website then maybe spread out and sent to Universal's video department and petitioned to those in the business who could then ask if the right people could consider this option before going any further with it. Bringing up the sales of the first run 2003 DVD's might help the argument further still, thus eliminate the: We need to research this and get back to you' by Uni (tht they once gave Richard Hatch in the late 90's) and present a solid well covered business proposal for a science fiction series like Battlestar Galactica to be on Blu-Ray DVD, but with a powerful selling point of: 'As you've never seen and heard it before'.

I'll leave it up to you to think about all that, but its just one of several options and ideas as per usual that i wanted to offer up. I'd love to hear one better than mine, thats covers even more stuff and might not be so complicated and bitched about, once we see where its going.

Laters people take care and have fun. :salute:

KJ

[BST]

Anyone want to have some fun?

Malkyte's posted some threads regarding casting calls for the various characters in a movie for Galactica. Personally, I'm enjoying it because I'll be the first to admit that I don't watch much of the new tv shows and don't know many of the new actors and actresses and I like see input from others because it helps me to get back in the loop.

So, instead of us posting here about how pissed off we are about what happened to us, with GINO, and how jaded we are about the Uni/Larson rumor, why don't we just have a little fun. It won't hurt.

(I'm not tossing stones at anyone because, I posted remarks a page or so back about how delicate my feelings are.... so, please don't misunderstand what I just posted above).

;)

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Finally, I just had to ask about the above quote that you made earlier. While I understand the idea behind it, how would returning to the Scifi board at this time be beneficial to any of us. The show is still going and there are still going to be people that love the new show there and desparage the original, which ultimately could errupt into uneccassary battles again. Most of us here, still have absolutely no love for GINO, so why go into a pro-GINO area to stir things up, especially if you're not even watching the show? Maybe AFTER the show finally ends, but even then I am not sure how that would be wise. ...And honestly, I would like to here that invitation, or olive branch if you will, from someone from their side before I would seriously consider it. Coming from you, while noble, does not have the same meaning. That's not meant in any disrespect, but rather that I want to see and hear that the other side is willing to come to the table as well.

Just my .02 cents.


Denes

Denes,

Sorry I didn't answer this earlier.

I said this with a pretty simple concept in mind. Although there is a gulf that we won't agree upon, there's a lot with the general Skiffy membership that we will agree upon. Skiffy isn't the Ron Moore worship center it once was. MOST of the conversations I engage in over there are pretty reasonable filled primarily with reasonable people. A few wander to be sure. Some continue the concept of "sides" as you've also presented.

I suggest that the entire idea of "sides" be swept into the closet. It might be there now and again but I think its best to engage everyone who watches any version of anything called Galactica as a fellow fan -- even if it proves that the folks you deal with only agree that you're a mutal fan of Superman or Firefly.

Some of the best folks I still maintain contact with are GINO fans. They're pretty good people and equally disgusted by the conduct many have engaged in under their name. I relate to that because its not like the GINO fanboys have had the monopoly on extremist behavior. This is where the Iraq analogy comes in. Some folks acted out of line. Most think they were in their rights when they did so.

Who cares at this point.

There are some good people mixed in with the Skiffy membership and I think a number of them would enjoy interacting with the Fleets folks. I suspect that once the awkward moments passed, we'd find we have a lot in common, especially if we maintained the approach that we were going to insist on being reasonable and as positive as possible.

I can't speak for anyone else but I know that my interactions as of the last year or so have, for the most part, been pretty rewarding in the long run.

I also contend that if anyone opts to try to initiate any sort of group effort, at least half of your support and talent base lay there.

If you're waiting for an invitation, it won't come. The invitation is in your signing up to be a member.

Lastly, the debate has been about doing things where we could actually make an impact. I think if the membership moved back onto the board and universally acted in a respectable and reasonable manner, we could indeed make an impact, ... not on TPTB but on the nature of the Galactica fanbase as a whole.

... at least this was my thinking.


Russell

[BST]

Sandy,

These conversations are taking place on the "new" Galactica Skiffy forum, correct?

Since the Moore show started, I've only ventured back there when I had to correct some of their incorrect remarks.

I've got no desire to go back to that particular cesspool and pretend none of that ever happened. Maybe I'm prejudiced and maybe not but, I can't sweep the past under the rug that easily.

If they truly want to bury the hatchet, I'd suggest having BOTH them AND us go to the Skiffy TOS Galactica board (http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showforum=75).

I honestly couldn't think of a better signal to send Universal than to have BOTH groups abandon their precious GINO board in favor of the TOS board.

Also, the welcome mat is out for them to join Fleets if they want to discuss TOS. They would be as welcome as anyone else.

[LordStarFyre]

Sandy, I ventured out today to a couple of "ginoid" haunts, to check out the idea.

Sadly, most of what I saw was "Milty/Ted" types, jerking themselves silly over pics of Ron Moore, and squeeling like school girls over GINO. Their comments make Ted/Milty look downright sane and civil, and they seem by no measure to even begin talking with anyone about the TOS, other than to berate.

Granted, there were more than a few Thinking types, who while they swoon over GINO, still either defended the TOS, or were at the very least civil about it. On them, I tend to agree with you, we have our best hope of a civilized fanbase.

Of course, any discussion regarding the Larson Rumour devolved into the usual GINO/RDM Fanbot meme about Disco hair and bring back the 70s, why GINO is the best thing EVER put on film/video, and how Ron Moore should be in charge of any Movie made about BSG.

The only thing missing were claims that Glen Larson stole the idea from Moore.

There was even one really amusing thread on UGO about how the DeSanto BSG was halted because Singer quit because it was inferior, and that 9/11 was just an excuse.

You may have a better experience with these folks, but what I see is a very long road toward any sort of dignified fanbase interaction.

Mind you, I was only lurking, I chose to participate in the better part of valor, and keep my overly opinionated trap firmly shut.

[LordStarFyre]

OK, in my travels today, not only was I checking into what Sandy was talking about, but also to see what kind of coverage "our side" (the TOS/Continuation side) was getting. I don't mean by media or others.

There are a fair amount of sites dedicated to the TOS.

However, one thing I noticed, there are NO Podcasts with discussions of the TOS. Not one I could find.

I'm not talking audio drama stuff. Don't get me wrong, I think those are uber-cool, but I'm talking about a somewhat regular podcast that would focus on TOS fandom. Think CF on your ipod. Discussions about Continuation possibilities, ideas, etc.

An example would be one I follow for Star Wars Galaxies, SWGpodcast with Yivvitts and Mr. Bubble (http://www.swgpodcast.com/)

Granted I don't think it would solve that many issues with getting the "Suits" to notice us, but it might be something.

Heck, maybe even tie it into this "501st" thing Monolith has been suggesting.

Is that a bad idea?

[Malkyte]

Anyone want to have some fun?

Malkyte's posted some threads regarding casting calls for the various characters in a movie for Galactica. Personally, I'm enjoying it because I'll be the first to admit that I don't watch much of the new tv shows and don't know many of the new actors and actresses and I like see input from others because it helps me to get back in the loop.

So, instead of us posting here about how pissed off we are about what happened to us, with GINO, and how jaded we are about the Uni/Larson rumor, why don't we just have a little fun. It won't hurt.

(I'm not tossing stones at anyone because, I posted remarks a page or so back about how delicate my feelings are.... so, please don't misunderstand what I just posted above).

;)


BST, thanks for the plug! :)

Hopefully we'll thaw a few more of those "bah-humbug" attitudes! ;)


Malkyte

[Malkyte]

Denes,

Sorry I didn't answer this earlier.

I said this with a pretty simple concept in mind. Although there is a gulf that we won't agree upon, there's a lot with the general Skiffy membership that we will agree upon. Skiffy isn't the Ron Moore worship center it once was. MOST of the conversations I engage in over there are pretty reasonable filled primarily with reasonable people. A few wander to be sure. Some continue the concept of "sides" as you've also presented.

I suggest that the entire idea of "sides" be swept into the closet. It might be there now and again but I think its best to engage everyone who watches any version of anything called Galactica as a fellow fan -- even if it proves that the folks you deal with only agree that you're a mutal fan of Superman or Firefly.

Some of the best folks I still maintain contact with are GINO fans. They're pretty good people and equally disgusted by the conduct many have engaged in under their name. I relate to that because its not like the GINO fanboys have had the monopoly on extremist behavior. This is where the Iraq analogy comes in. Some folks acted out of line. Most think they were in their rights when they did so.

Who cares at this point.

There are some good people mixed in with the Skiffy membership and I think a number of them would enjoy interacting with the Fleets folks. I suspect that once the awkward moments passed, we'd find we have a lot in common, especially if we maintained the approach that we were going to insist on being reasonable and as positive as possible.

I can't speak for anyone else but I know that my interactions as of the last year or so have, for the most part, been pretty rewarding in the long run.

I also contend that if anyone opts to try to initiate any sort of group effort, at least half of your support and talent base lay there.

If you're waiting for an invitation, it won't come. The invitation is in your signing up to be a member.

Lastly, the debate has been about doing things where we could actually make an impact. I think if the membership moved back onto the board and universally acted in a respectable and reasonable manner, we could indeed make an impact, ... not on TPTB but on the nature of the Galactica fanbase as a whole.

... at least this was my thinking.


Russell

Russell-

Thanks for the reply!

I have to be honest and say that I am not completely convinced, but I can certainly check it out myself and see if the air has changed. I seriously have my doubts though. Reading several different sites after the latest rumor broke, did not show me much change in the general attitude towards the original vs Moore's.

And while you say we should put the "sides" thing out of the way, are GINO fans ready to do the same and be a bit more respectful? I hope you are right, but I am not so certain, again, from what I have read recently at a number of other sites anyway.

To be clear, my lack of confidence in going back there is not about holding a grudge, but the fact that I really wouldn't have much in common with those folks at this point, at least not when it came to Galactica. So, the most I can contribute to the threads there would be negative comments on their show. It doesn't seem like it would be a good idea to go into, what is essentially. their house now and bad mouth what they enjoy.

In return, I would probably not agree with many of their assessments in comparing the two shows. So, I am not sure of the point. The "sides" are there not because of the "Ted/Milt" types or the clone wars, but rather because there are clearly two completely different fundamental philosophies competing for the same show.

Perhaps there can be commonality with regard to other shows, but as for coming to a common ground on Galactica, I don't see how that is possible at this point.

Maybe if a new movie does come out, that is closer to the original and both sides enjoy it, that can become a common ground. But we won't know until that actually materializes.

Again, I will take a look, but I make no promises.


Denes

[ernie90125]

Further to discussion in this thread, I've made a proposal to the fanbase I hope people may consider, please check it out at :

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16776

[Athene]

I'd like to see a movie that ALL fans of Battlestar Galactica can enjoy. The TOS series and the re-imagined one. I know some people who really enjoy both.
I hope that it's OK for me to say this..this in relation to this topic and for the fan base and what I hope is the outcome of the movie.
For me it's been a long in coming. I myself prefer the TOS series. ;)
But, you know the saying...Good things come to those who wait! :D

[Kester Pelagius]

Further to discussion in this thread, I've made a proposal to the fanbase I hope people may consider, please check it out at :

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16776

Checked and responded to.

Let the ridicule begin.

[monolith21]

Ridicule? Never! Ideas on how to promote Battlestar take us in a positive direction!

[LordStarFyre]

No ridicule from me KP, I think it's a cool idea

[Andreas]

Hi,

i hope the ''Classic'' Battlestar Galactica will made it on the

Big Screen maybe in a reeboot in the old style.

For me Battlestar Galactica was always made for the Big Screen.

When I saw this Tom De Santo/Brian Singer Battlestar concept

i was thinking oh this is going huge but for a TV Series this will go

to expensive !!!

I'am sure that the TV Station at this time think the same and pull the

plug.:cry:

Later this hole 9/11 was just an excuse.

[ernie90125]

I'm sure Kester didn't mean ridicule in a bad way, all thoughts are welcome.......

[Kester Pelagius]

No ridicule from me KP, I think it's a cool idea

Thanks. The idea for the ad/promo sort popped into my head after reading everyone's remarks the other day.

Hope I didn't go too overboard with it.

I'm sure Kester didn't mean ridicule in a bad way, all thoughts are welcome.......

Have you read the attached "script" yet?

There's no dialogue, just narration, and probably includes an unrealistic amount of VFX shots. But I'm just the writer I'm sure the wizards here could probably put something like this together in, oh, what, a weekend or three. :nervous: ;)

Did I mention it stars a Socialator and a Female Warrior?

[ernie90125]

Dear Kestor....yes I've read the script but I think its too ambitious for a 30 second TV advert. What I was thinking about was a series of space battle shots which already exist or could easily be created by this fanbase.

Whilst never say never to live action, clips from The Second Coming or the original show, the feasibility or legalities of things must not get too complicated for a fan lead endeavour. This should be keep it simple.

[Kester Pelagius]

Dear Kestor....yes I've read the script but I think its too ambitious for a 30 second TV advert.

Indeed. The Cyclon eye sequence, as described, alone would probably run over 30 seconds. Still it's nice to dream. :D

What I was thinking about was a series of space battle shots which already exist or could easily be created by this fanbase.

Whilst never say never to live action, clips from The Second Coming or the original show, the feasibility or legalities of things must not get too complicated for a fan lead endeavour. This should be keep it simple.

I suppose one could always go the SPACE MUTINY (http://cosmic-cinema.blogspot.com/2008/06/space-mutinyfirehead.html) route. Source the desired VFX shots from the stock library footage and integrate it with fan shot footage. .

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2191/2326434489_a88d3f0a09_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2326436677_b627c5a15b_o.jpg

If the BSG fan community can't come up with better looking computer graphics and costumes than THAT then perhaps we don't deserve anything better than GINO Caprica.

The again the simplest promo would probably be best shot as a PA. Maybe have it start as a single static long shot of a dark smoke filled hallway, a dim light in the distance, and a figure in silhouette slowly walking toward the camera. As the figure walks into frame they are revealed to be an actor dressed in full colonial battle dress wearing a flight helment. The narration could say something as simple as: GALACTICA IS COMING. ARE YOU READY FOR IT? And then have the scene fade to a simple onscreen graphic displaying a URL of a site for people to go to for more information. Sort of like a PSA.

You could probably do a number of these and have each one be an actor dressed as a different colonial character. Warrior, Socialator, Bridge Officer, Cylon, et al.

[ernie90125]

haha ! I remember Space Mutiny, and I remember how awful it was !!!!!

My thoughts are just some CGI shots of the ships.

[Gemini1999]

Folks -

Perhaps we could move the discussion regarding the "proposal" thread. It's a bit confusing trying to follow parts of the same discussion in two different threads..

Thanks,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

[Kester Pelagius]

Apologies. I'll copy and paste my last post over to the other thread.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Guys, ... regarding the Skiffy and other boards.

It was a suggestion. My comment was that I think its probably time for the original series fanbase to go back there. To my eyes, it says "Battlestar Galactica" and I go there to discuss Battlestar Galactica. I discuss GINO from my own particular POV and for the most part, am treated pretty well. When someone is a jerk, I call them a jerk and things move on. Admittedly, this approach wasn't always the one I adopted. Also, over time, some of my former virtual rivals have become supporters.

Offline, I intermittently communicate with them on a large number of subjects, including advising "the other side" with fan projects, etc. They, in turn, have been supportive of me in a variety of ways at various times.

The assclowns still remain. They always will.

I don't think they define the Ron Moore fans anymore, at least not any more than the likes of Lang defines us.

I'll refine this to say that if there is anyone waiting for them to settle the score, "pay up", or however you want to define it, then please don't come back. Further, please don't include me in any version of recompense you think you're owed. My concept isn't that anyone needs to make good for anything, including Ron Moore. I wouldn't throw my arms open to Ted but frankly, just about everyone else is someone I'm willing to forgive, as long as they're trying to act in a different manner than before.

To lump everyone who watches and likes GINO together is just as wrong as labeling original series fans as devotees of feathered hair, ... and frankly, its just as rediculous.

So, my qualifier is that if you can't wipe the slate clean, go into a place like Skiffy and try to find the good elements and ignore the bad, then you should ignore my suggestion as well. Nobody needs to make things good for me. I do that for myself.

I didn't engage the GINO fanboys before because, as I said many, many times, it was just too hard to sort through the sludge to find the good folks buried in there. I don't believe that's still true, which is why I can now suggest people return.

... however, if you're someone who is just going to make the place more nasty, then I doubt you'll be able to contribute much to what I suspect is going to be the foundation of whatever lasting Battlestar Galactica fanbase remains in five years.

Check out the Space 1999 Year 1 vs Year 2 exchanges and I think you've got a pretty good example of how things develop when nobody is willing to put the bad times in the past and look for the good ... and empowering the assclowns is frankly the last thing I want to be involved in.

If that example isn't clear enough, then check out the Shi'as and the Sunnis, ... or the Palestinians and Israelis -- overly dramatic examples I admit but the basic template should be clear enough.


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

As always Sandy, you are again a voice of reason.

And, I do think you are correct.

I think we all, Myself included, are going to have to, at some point, try to re-build bridges that have been savaged. I've done my share (more some would say) of torching bridges with shameless abandon.

While some of us consider GINO as the G1980 for this generation, like G1980, like it or not, it's something we're going to have to contend with.

That being said, I am VERY encouraged with some of the proposals I'm seeing being put forward here. Monolith's idea of a "501st" for the TOS is a really good one, and I think it could have LOTS of potential for the TOS fanbase, way above and beyond simply Convention Costuming. I do think if handled correctly, his idea could be a vehicle for putting a face on the TOS fanbase.

Sandy, one area your expertise has shined is Audio Dramas, that might be one avenue to define the "501st" (BTW Monolith, what in blazes do we call this damned thing).

I don't know, I guess I'm just shooting from the lip here, but like you Sandy, I want to see the TOS fanbase re-ignited, not only for the "possible" Big Screen version, but for showing that the TOS fanbase is not dead, and that reports of our death from Old Age and Disco Hair OD are greatly exaggerated.

[BST]

Sandy,

I wasn't shooting the messenger. Sorry if it seemed that way.

Considering that I don't have much to offer except a passion for TOS Galactica, I think that I'll stay put right here.

That being one reason and the other is that quite a few of us here have busted our asses trying to make this place as pleasant and appealing as possible to host discussion about TOS Galactica. I won't easily give that up and honestly have no desire to go to that poorly-managed Skiffy board that is wholly populated with threads about a show in which I have ZERO interest.

As I mentioned, if the discussion is to revolve around TOS Galactica then, why don't both groups migrate to Skiffy's TOS Galactica forum (near the bottom of the index) or go to one of the friendly TOS forums such as Fleets, TOK, or BSGClub?

Additionally, they're welcome to join here, as long as they have an ISP email address.


Pete

[monolith21]

Actually "putting a face" on original series Galactica fandom is in the mission statement I just came up with!

So far we are going with "Black Star Squadron". Or "Blackstar"...haven't really discussed that. I think you hit the nail squarely on the head of what we're trying to do. It is a costuming group party, but more than that it is an idea of how to bring fans together. Throw a flag out and see who wants to hear what we're all about.

We'll also have a code of conduct regarding our dealings with hostile fans from the RDM series. With the current rumors of a film it just seems like a good time to splash some cold water on our collective faces and have some fun!

[BST]

After posting my message above, I read LSF's post and re-read yours. Maybe I need to present this a different way because it seems as though I am coming off as a bitter old man. I'm not.

BUT, what I want is to meet halfway. If we are going to be re-building bridges then, it makes sense for both sides to meet in the middle... not at their place, not at hours but, somewhere neutral where folks can truly lay the foundation of something NEW.

Like I mentioned above, the Skiffy TOS Galactica board is my suggestion because I think that it would be a good neutral ground and no one would need to get a new id. It would show a 'contribution' by both sides, at least in my eyes, it would.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Pete,

I'm going to bed. I'll answer the rest that's been put forward tomorrow but ...

Skiffy isn't "their" place. Its everyone's. I was a member of the Battlestar Galactica board before Ron came along. Plain and simple. I still am. The TOS board you refer to was put up later in an attempt to find peace among everyone. It failed because it was a hostile environment.

I don't see where anyone can meet in the middle becaus there is no middle. There are no sides. There's only a bunch of fans with different preferences. I mention Skiffy because that's where we all once held a membership. Its everybody's board (IMO). I don't suggest changing Fleets or any other site. I don't suggest any special compensation for anyone who is entrenched in acting like a jerk.

I do suggest that people stop the "Us-Them" viewpoint and realize that there's nothing but a bunch of fans who have needlessly been at odds with each other over a stupid television series. We all have different preferences, some directly conflicting, but that doesn't mean that any group should be scowling at the other because of those preferences and that still continues to happen after nearly 6 years.

I hate to be so simplistic that I'm arguing "The Golden Rule" but perhaps that's the core of what I'm suggesting. Believe it or not, there are members of the Skiffy board who would enjoy interactions with the folks here at Fleets. That's largely why a handful act so viciously whenever we appear. They don't want a reasoned opposing viewpoint to be heard. That's their problem.

I'm not going to try to drag anyone to a place they don't want to go. Nobody needs to justify why they don't want to go. All I'm providing is my own testimony on my own experiences, which of the past couple of years, have been quite good and a total contrast to the times before. A lot of those folks like the original series and if my experiences are any indication, there's actually a lot more people supportive of us on Skiffy than I think many are giving them credit for.

Again, nobody should do anything they aren't comfortable with ... except perhaps look in the mirror and figure out if, after 5+ years of this same game, this is really who we all want to be remembered as in the next five years.

Personally, I think life is too damn short to be spent trying to convince people that they shouldn't be my friend because they like a different television series than I do.

... and for those hoping to give the original series a better image, if that is indeed your goal, ... I recall something about how to get more flies.

LSF, I'll address the audio and other stuff tomorrow.



Russell

[Gemini1999]

Sandy -

I've been a member of the Skiffy board just a tiny bit longer than I have been with CF. It was the Skiffy board that led me here. I occasionally log in and mix with the Skiffy populace, but generally only when I see a topic thread that piques my interest. By and large, I read over the long list of topics and just can't fathom what that group of people is about. I know that they enjoy a show called Battlestar Galactica, but their viewpoint is an enigma. Endless posts about "shipping", a miasma of posts focusing on minutae, or even attempting to take a show that is hopelessly lost in terms of writing and re-writing it in their own terms to make sense of it. You're right - there are a lot of decent people over there and when you talk with them about what they're interested in, and on that same level, the discussion is good.

Generally speaking, a very large group of TOS fans that don't care for the show, aren't interesting in discussing it - except when Stallion's reviews show up doesn't seem like the best component to add to that mixture. Remember the days here at Fleets where we had discussion threads about both shows and how those discussions alway became battling grounds? Remember how we had to split the entire forum into two halves and even though there was that clear division, we still had the same problem?

There are people that are a happy to discuss both shows, but there are larger groups of people devoted to the new show and to the old show separately. When I see what's going on in the Trek community in discussions over the upcoming film, I'm seeing exactly the same problem that we had back in 2003. There's a group of people that hate the new film, a group of people that love the new film and then there's a group of people that are willing to "wait and see", but in the end, will probably fall into either one of the first two groups after they see it.

What the actual issue is - is can people live with the idea of having something that they really enjoy, made over into another vision, directed at a different group of people, yet inhabit the same environment peacefully? It's up to every one of us on an individual level. What we can handle and what we want for ourselves inside is what it all comes down to.

For myself, I've no problem visiting the Skiffy board, I'm just not compelled to do so on a continuing basis. In my head, it seems a bit too early for a group of self exiled TOS fans to go back to Skiffy for anything significant. My thought would be to wait until the current series has completed it's run and the DVD film that's coming this summer has had it's day and the discussion has died down a bit. Maybe after the summer has passed, it would be a good time for folks to get together again.

At this point, it just seems with their show coming to the end and the "announcement" regarding a new TOS project at hand, the potential for it becoming a flash point seems very high.

I know that you have the best of intentions and you've forged a relationship with the folks over at Skiffy, but I know from observing that you fought hard and long to get there.

In any case, it's all a matter of time and the fans of either show know where to find each other when and if that time comes.

Bryan

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Bryan,

No doubt it was all hard-won. I'll repeat ... I'm not trying to drag anyone anywhere nor does anyone have to justify why they don't want to go. To each their own.


LSF,

The shortfall of doing a regular podcast is finding the material that you'd need to make it work. One hour of a podcast will be about 18-22 typewritten pages depending on the delivery. If a podcast was too rare, folks would ignore it because they want something to listen to. If it were too often, you'd be grabbing for material.

Plus, you have the actual production. Editing is the lesser obstacle since more folks have those skills. For recording, you're in a different league because folks have to have access to the equipment, which I can assure you becomes a big issue quick.

You can mitigate this by planning on doing a set and targeting the outcome for when they are all done. Then you advertise it. Still, figure at least 200 pages of edited writing before you even attempt something like this, ... and that's the good stuff. You can probably triple that in ideas.


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

:) See Sandy, your expertise is always handy!!!

Actually, the format I'm thinking would be a mixed concept.

An example, the one I cited before, is

http://www.swgpodcast.com/

It's called "Star Wars Galaxies with Yivvits and Mr Bubble" except more (obviously) on a TOS Galactica vein.

When I say mixed format, I'd say part talk, part interview, and at some point, maybe some sort of episodic "audio drama" (15-20 minutes per episode).

As one possibility, maybe do coverage talk on each episode of the TOS, one episode per podcast.

Again, this is way shooting from the hip, but the general over-riding "mission" of it would be to show that TOS fans aren't just a bunch of crotchity old farts, longing desperatly for the glory days of disco hair, and Ship-on-a-stick FX.

That's just what I was thinking, I'm sure there are others are that are far better at thinking up this stuff than I am.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Again, this is way shooting from the hip, but the general over-riding "mission" of it would be to show that TOS fans aren't just a bunch of crotchity old farts, longing desperatly for the glory days of disco hair, and Ship-on-a-stick FX.

This is part of my disconnect.

Who are we trying to convince?

In my mind's eye, there's nothing wrong with being a bunch of crotchity old farts remembering when we had hair that could be feathered properly.

I don't think any of us have anything to prove to anybody. That's the premise where we don't quite agree.

I like an old series called Battlestar Galactica. I'm not so fond of the new one. If anyone is so amazingly petty in their lives that something like this is an issue on how they judge me, then that's their problem, not mine.

I'd agree on folks working on a podcast like this if the goal is to create something good that people would enjoy. If it were merely to prove that we're a viable set of fans, ... well, again, just who do we need to prove that to and would we really care if we did gain their respect?


Russell

[monolith21]

Some of us have it in us to get out and promote the old show in hopes of a continuation. That mentality will certainly NOT be shared by all. I can think of a few people over at the Skiffy boards that most certainly won't agree. The bottom line is no one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Some of you won't want to get involved. I can't say I blame you. I think some of you have well earned your time to enjoy Battlestar without a fight. I hope you'll wish us luck and not try to convince us our efforts are hopeless or useless. I'm sure we're quite aware of what a long shot it all is. If it were a done deal we wouldn't feel a need to get out and do something.

I don't have to convince anyone that the original series is good. I already love what came before. My hope and determination is focused on the future. In six years I haven't let the ginoids or their show shake my faith. At this point its almost a complete non issue. Giving up now just seems like a waste. No one needs to convince me its worthless anymore than I need to convince them it isn't.

[LordStarFyre]

Howdy Sandy, I don't know if it's so much proving, in as much as giving a voice to this part of the BSG Fanbase.

While there may be an element of "proving" going on, but the over riding concept is to show that we're out here, and to give coverage to the TOS, that even you would have to admit has been sadly lacking.

Another part here is to be an active fanbase, so if indeed the discussions are taking place as the rumour suggests, wouldn't it be wiser for us to at least be somewhat vocal, in a positive way, to show that there is indeed a fanbase for the TOS?

Listen to the example of the podcast I posted. That is fairly close to what I (IMHO) think would be a good approach.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

LSF,

I think providing a voice is a great thing.

Proving our image in the eyes of people who don't at all matter and who have no desire to even attempt a fair look is something else entirely.

I'll listen to this as soon as I can.


Monolith,

Nobody is trying to talk you out of anything or make up your mind about anything. My belief is that your efforts will be a waste of time from what I understand of your goals but by all means, have at it. Opinions on this or any board are just like handles, ... everyone has one and mine isn't any better or worse than yours.


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

Sandy, on that you and I agree, we don't need to Prove ourselves in the eyes of anyone.

I am very encouraged by the revival of interest as of late.

Like you, I'm not terribly interested in going to battle with the Ginoids. They aren't going to convince me that the RDM thing is superior, and I'm most likely not going to convince them of my position. We tried that approach, and we got Ted/Milty, the Clone Wars, and RDM's snide arrogant comments.

I think our response to GINO should be identical to our response to G1980. It's there, but ignored, at least on our part.

If it's a Podcast, it's made for fans of the TOS, about the TOS, past, present, and future. AND as a mobilization point for support for efforts of Larson/DeSanto (?) if the rumours are indeed true. Discussions about topics like Costume Building, Prop Replicas, the Battle of Galactica attraction at Universal, the Stages Galactica was shot on, and what it was like being there. Also, linking it up with Monolith's idea about the Blackstar Squadron (501st).

I do hope I'm making sense.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I listened to a good part of the Star Wars example. This doesn't seem very difficult. In fact, its less sophisticated than what Bill Gordon did a couple years ago.

His effort should prove something of a lesson. He had a difficult time getting material and a good portion of his podcast was devoted to slandering GINO. Even with this serving as unintentional filler, he really struggled to get material and he had an irregular broadcast. I think part of this was because he didn't build up a sufficient support structure before he engaged in it. Each episode was a fly as you go effort. That isn't a slam against him because he did a great job at a time when podcasting wasn't the easiest thing in the world to figure out.

However, you should learn from the past and I know one of his challenges was following up a good podcast with another good podcast because in each instance, he was dependant on a lot of folks inventing subjects for him.

Applying this to your example, I'd think that a regular podcast talking about how cool a 30 year old television series was every week would be a really, really boring effort. Week one, lets talk about how cool the Cylons were. Week two, did we mention the Cylons were all that. Week three, How about them Cylons!

So, you'd have to have an extension of sorts. It would have to be "new" in the ears of the audience. You suggested an audio drama. I thought about that and think that could be a good running segment -- something along the lines of an audio pulp fiction (Amazing Stories) serial. Another might be commentary on the background of the series, ... an accounting of the 1000 Yahren War, mythological tales of the Gods of Kobol, the science of the battlestar, etc. I'd get the CG folks to do new coverart for each podcast, ... and the more professional the cover art the more seriously people will take this. I'd engage Shawn to do a few new compositions of the classic music. (He knows what I'm talking about).

I'd think you could get some of this material from the Fleets boards. John Larocque could likely release a lot of his stuff which could get you further. After that, I'd be looking to Eric and John (Dawg) to see what they could crank out.


If it were a bi-weekly effort, you might consider some format that goes something like this:

Music and Intro - 2 mins
Opener - 1 minute
1st Act (News if currency is the goal/Host chatting if not) - 10 minutes
2nd Act (Audio Book/Commentary/Prepared Dialog) - 12 minutes
3rd Act (Paul Harvey-style Bio or Interview) - 8 minutes
3rd Act (Audio Drama) - 12 minutes
Closing comments - 3 minutes
Outtro Music - 2 minutes

That would be a 50 minute show.


A weekly effort might be something more like this:

Music and Intro - 1 mins
Opener - 1 minute
1st Act (News if currency is the goal/Host chatting if not) - 8 minutes
2nd Act (Audio Book/Commentary/Prepared Dialog/Audio Drama) - 10 minutes
3rd Act (Paul Harvey-style Bio or Interview) - 6 minutes
Closing comments - 3 minutes
Outtro Music - 1 minutes

That would be a 30 minute production. Under this concept, the audio drama and audio book segements would run in series, with six weeks devoted to large segments, then broken up with commentary, etc. Otherwise, I think you'd lose interest quick since the cliffhangers would just dangle forever.

Just some thoughts.


Russell

[LordStarFyre]

Once again Sandy, you said it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than I could!!!

That is EXACTLY, SPOT ON, what I had in mind!

You nailed the Audio Drama section perfectly. An on-going serialized "adventure". Maybe even like the old Flash Gordon - type thing, with 6 episode arcs, focusing on not only "present" in the Galactica fleet, but maybe arcs that follow the Flight from Kobol (Or the end of Kobol society?) The origins of the Cylons, or, even, the period just before Saga of a Starworld where Baltar sells out the Colonies, with the last episode of that arc ending as Baltar boards his shuttle enroute to the Atlantia.

Then, when each story arc has completed rotation within the Podcasts, release a full version of it, edited together as a stand alone podcast.

hehehehe See, sometimes I'm not as dumb as I look..... :)

[KJ]

Generally speaking, a very large group of TOS fans that don't care for the show, aren't interesting in discussing it - except when Stallion's reviews show up doesn't seem like the best component to add to that mixture. Remember the days here at Fleets where we had discussion threads about both shows and how those discussions alway became battling grounds? Remember how we had to split the entire forum into two halves and even though there was that clear division, we still had the same problem?*

There are people that are a happy to discuss both shows, but there are larger groups of people devoted to the new show and to the old show separately. When I see what's going on in the Trek community in discussions over the upcoming film, I'm seeing exactly the same problem that we had back in 2003. There's a group of people that hate the new film, a group of people that love the new film and then there's a group of people that are willing to "wait and see", but in the end, will probably fall into either one of the first two groups after they see it.


*Then along came the Pegasus storyarc with its needless, worthless shock value intended rape scene that pissed off both crowd groups of fans alike, but supplied enough interest for those wanting it to be totally gritty, for that stupid reason alone!

And i need not go into, fleets responce of the airing of that episode at the time and what exactly became of the gap between old and new fans of BSG on colonial fleets afterwards?

While its worthless getting into needless squabbles over it now, i'd defend ones right to comment if something wasn't/isn't right and demands discussion over it whether it be, a movie or TV series of debated topics etc.

KJ

[Athene]

Ridicule? Never! Ideas on how to promote Battlestar take us in a positive direction!
Well said.
I 100% agree.

[JSC1]

Is all the dysfunction more "Real"? Yes, certainly. But isn't the whole point of Sci-Fantasy to suspend reality?

Actually I'm starting to think that dysfunction is an abstract of reality. An abstract that regretably is getting the lion's share of attention nowadays.

The positive elements are still there, they just have a harder time shining through is all.

But dysfunction is not all there is. There has to be more.

[Damocles]

Audio dramas would be brilliant!

[jewels]

Audio dramas are a great way to go. I like the serialized format also.

[Damocles]

Audio dramas are a great way to go. I like the serialized format also.

I'm a volunteer science consultant for such a production effort called "Novo Babylonia". (based on Babylon 5)

http://www.novo-b.com/

They are just starting out. Good crew. Check them out.

[Athene]

Audio dramas are a great way to go. I like the serialized format also.
I like those too. ;)

[Athene]

I'm a volunteer science consultant for such a production effort called "Novo Babylonia". (based on Babylon 5)

http://www.novo-b.com/

They are just starting out. Good crew. Check them out.

Thanks! for posting that. Gonna check that link out. :salute:

[Damocles]

Drop in on the New Fiction Forum, too. Give them some support.

Appreciate it.

D.

[Kester Pelagius]

As the only BSG news in Google news searchat moment seems to be about the season finale of the GINO series, which would seem to be a prime time for Larson to put out a press release if anything was really going to be happening with oBSG, does this mean this was all a midsummer night's dream?

Well there is this: Universal to Produce Battlestar Galactica Movie (http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/news/article/0,,5007322,00.html), but it looks like a Johnny cum Lately.

Has there been any fresh news? Rumours?

[monolith21]

Well, since the news was a leak to begin with we likely won't hear anything until there is an official release. Anyone I've talked to that would have any wind of it at all won't budge and just gives me the "you never know" line...which is not an answer. Who knows.

[Damocles]

Which I take to mean that until we hear of a writer hired to do the treatment, and or a director hired, that this is a willow of the wisp.

[Andreas]

Moore say something about the new Movie.

THR: Universal is developing a "Battlestar" movie with original series creator Glen Larson. How do you feel about that?


Moore: More power to them. I don't know anything about it; they didn't talk to me about it. I've always said if somebody wanted to do a continuation of the original, that's fine by me. It doesn't have anything to do with what we've done.

link:

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/qa-ron-moore-on-battlestar-series-finale.html


:salute:

[Gemini1999]

Moore say something about the new Movie.

THR: Universal is developing a "Battlestar" movie with original series creator Glen Larson. How do you feel about that?


Moore: More power to them. I don't know anything about it; they didn't talk to me about it. I've always said if somebody wanted to do a continuation of the original, that's fine by me. It doesn't have anything to do with what we've done.

link:

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/03/qa-ron-moore-on-battlestar-series-finale.html



Last week, USA Today was running an article concerning the end of the Skiffy BSG series and there was this quote near the end of the article:

Battlestar will live on in various forms. Universal is developing a feature film, a new version not connected to the series.

Here is the link to the article if anyone's interested:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2009-03-12-battlestar-end_N.htm

The "news" is coming up in various spots in the media, just nothing concrete where people can latch on to the announcement and take it seriously. Until there's more news in regards to a formal announcment and a production date, we'll just have to sit and bide our time.

Bryan

[Athene]

I'm waiting to see if there is an official statement at universal for a TOS BSG movie.
I think there is a site where you can see new movie projects with actors cast in the roles and a release date.

[Athene]

I found this site on the net.
http://www.universalpictures.com/
No mention of a TOS BSG movie, but, I'm hoping to see it there soon. :salute:

[Damocles]

Every time I see that He Who Shall Not be Named opens his big fat mouth in public about BSG, I could just spit nails. :rage:

In the positive column, if JJ Adams can save Star Trek from the likes of Berman and Bragga, then maybe DeSanto or someone equally as talented can get the Alligator out of drydock. It almost happened once. Remember it almost happened as a fact.

[monolith21]

I definitely think something is in the works, I just don't think we'll hear anything until all the papers are signed.

[KJ]

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/02/universal-in-talks-for-battlestar-movie.html

I'd want at least something new to break soon, but as we'v debated since this all came about, something VERY solid at least, with talks over and news of BSG being fast tracked into production within 5 years or so (good development of any movie, long before pre-production begins, takes time as you all know and are aware of!) with names, a budget, a script/scriptwriters, producers (hopefully DeSanto's top of that particular list!) and director being attached.

Hell, i want all this from recently annocunced movies in the work like live action adaptations of Robotech, Neon Genesis and plenty others.

And if they haven't got so much of a whiff of news lately, imagine the trek another BSG movie go-around will have to go through once again. Like Olmos once said, "don't go through the pain" and i certainly won't, not until something this time round is confirmed 100% and Universal puts big assurances of absolutely no interfering folks to stop it, and the fans/film fans, are updated with news (unlike 2001's stupid; "hushed" policy with the Singer/DeSanto BSG TV pilot).

Like the old saying goes; Fool me once shame on me, try to fool me twice shame on you!!!

When new news does break on any such production, i WANT as well as everyone else, want to see a; fancy, expensive looking website to support any such claims by Universal of a brand new BSG movie based on the classic series. If every other movie out there, can get that, why not a BSG movie if that would be the case??!

In the positive column, if JJ Adams can save Star Trek from the likes of Berman and Bragga, then maybe DeSanto or someone equally as talented can get the Alligator out of drydock. It almost happened once. Remember it almost happened as a fact.

Let's hope Uni remembers the past especially and avoid the same mistakes as we've both said. Cos coming close to filming only to have production stop cos of a director bailing out and backstage politic shinanigans a second time, within 2 weeks would be even more embarassing for a major motion picture deal, costing a hell of alot more than a mere TV pilot.

And instead of 911 being used as a scapegoat, what would the excuse be, for not finishing up this time, The ongoing 'Iraq War'?!

I want some new news to break before i truly get engaged in any postive talks and discussions for a BSG movie! cos until we're given more this ain't really happening and its another unconfirmed rumor.

KJ

[Dawg]

Actually, KJ, the expression is:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I hope - but I don't hold my breath. ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Aussie Warrior]

There must be a way for all the talent around here to come up with something to get people's attention like a mock movie poster or even a mock movie trailer for example Save Enterprise done one for Enterprise in 2006 showing what a fifth season would of been like using fan made CGI but in this case you could show what a BSG movie could have in it

Here is what Save Enterprise done, I should add that most of the trailer was assembled by reading what the producers of Enterprise said in interviews although i think one fan script idea made it in as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLqr9sJ_FI

[Stevew]

Excellent point AW. I have said this as well. I have a whole fleet of warships and support ships that I would gladly donate to the cause
Steve

[Aussie Warrior]

Well you all got a head start with all that information on the Singer/DeSanto effort i think even some of the artwork was turned into CGI models so that is one good thing and plus you got all the other models so yeah strike will the Iron is still hot

[Stevew]

If this turns out to be real I think TOS fans will come out of the woodwork to do what ever they can to show support for it

[Aussie Warrior]

Perhaps, but how many more rumors are left in the tank before they completely stop or more importantly how many more rumors can be tolerated by the patient fans before they leave for good.

It's tough, could move now while it is a rumor and hope it doesn't stay a rumor because it could make us look like a High Schooler getting dacked in a corridor full of people or we sit and let it all go by and hope the rumor is reality.
Sometimes we got to go and climb the mountain instead of waiting for the mountain to pop up from underneath us so we can get to the summit.

[KJ]

Actually, KJ, the expression is:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Not over here its not! maybe its different in the States/North America, but over here it means that the person was naive enough to get fooled once. But that the second time round means whomever was foolish enough to try the same trick twice and the preivous victim "wised" up, is all!

In any case they both imply the same meaning more or less, so no worries on how it goes in any given situation dude! :salute:

KJ

[Athene]

If this turns out to be real I think TOS fans will come out of the woodwork to do what ever they can to show support for it
We could start an online petition and send it off to Universal to let them know how serious we are about wanting a TOS BSG movie!
Good idea?

[jeditemple]

Well, I'm one of those folks who loves the old series and has somewhat enjoyed the new Sci-Fi version (or should I say SyFy...ugh).

But ever since Season 3, it has gotten worse and worse. And now we're two-hours (and one DVD release) away from it all ending...I guess. But I don't hold any hope that Ron Moore will be able to satisfy the new series fans and bring this thing to a successful close. There simply isn't enough time to close all of the plot threads, which leads me to believe that we'll see more DVD releases in the future. Ron Moore would profit from that. I think that the new "Caprica" endeavor will fail, because the premise sounds pretty boring. But we know that Sci-Fi likes to work franchises to death (Stargate Universe anybody?). And on a side note, there's more action (space battles) in one Stargate episode than a whole season of BSG. The Sci-Fi BSG has been too much drama and not nearly enough epic battles [insert laser sounds and explosions here].

That's why I have hope for a continuation of the original series. This makes TOS fans very happy and it would be coming at a good time. I just hope that Glenn Larson doesn't screw this opportunity up. Let's hope for the best, now that "the-powers-that-be" are talking and the lackluster Sci-Fi version is fading away.

[Stevew]

Athene
I will sign

[ernie90125]

There must be a way for all the talent around here to come up with something to get people's attention like a mock movie poster or even a mock movie trailer for example Save Enterprise done one for Enterprise in 2006 showing what a fifth season would of been like using fan made CGI but in this case you could show what a BSG movie could have in it

Here is what Save Enterprise done, I should add that most of the trailer was assembled by reading what the producers of Enterprise said in interviews although i think one fan script idea made it in as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaLqr9sJ_FI

I've been proposing exactly along these lines, please check out the Proposal thread !!!

Plus to those with the ability to animate, I sent the call out to make fanfilms ! Even if its just a 1-2 minute CGI space battle.

I run a site to host and showcase fanfilms, www.battlestarfanfilms.com , and surely a steady flow of fanfilms would be another feather in the fanbases's cap ?