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Benedict
August 17th, 2009, 08:41 AM
It is amusing these reactions. One I heard or read today was this being a slap in the face of the new series. I just hope that if Singer is a big a fan of the original as is said he does it true justice. Starbuck being a shade of the TOS self would be a plus :)

BST
August 17th, 2009, 07:55 PM
Be careful not to use too wide a brush. There are quite a few folks posting at Skiffy, who are "willing to give it a chance". Granted, it is amusing to hear folks being all flustered about how Moore is being treated but, I tend to take it with a grain of salt considering that many of them only have his version of the show as a frame of reference.

With that being said please consider the above just a tiny bit of advice as we don't sanction conversation on this website about Moore's version.... good, bad, or otherwise.

If curious about what some of the new show fans really think, check the conversation @ http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?showtopic=2336054 and if you like, contribute to that conversation, as I have.


Finally, let's re-focus the conversation back toward the "new" Galactica movie which is reportedly going to be TOS-based.

;)

monolith21
August 17th, 2009, 08:27 PM
Every time I hear that last bit I get a bit giddy.

Thats right I said it...giddy. GO BRYAN GO!!!

I'm taking a different tact with commenting on this thing. Its hard because we're really being baited into arguments and called some pretty bad stuff in some forums...but in truth we really need to get out there and show our support of this!

I'm telling a lot of people at Blackstar to remember to be take a stance for the new film, but not against the other show.

I took your advice to heart BST...I'm resisting the urge.

TwoBrainedCylon
August 17th, 2009, 09:46 PM
For the most part, the Skiffy conversation isn't bad. I can respect someone whose fan-ness is based on GINO to be reluctant about this news.

I give it the same focus I did Ron at first. Lets see what comes of it. If its a reboot, sorry Eric, but I'll be there anxiously waiting to see where it goes. It might make Ron's fiasco seem good by comparison ... or it might expose it for the trash I personally think it is. If nothing else, it will help place GINO as "yet one more interpretation" which I think will be better for everyone in the long run. As my good friend, LSF has said, Ron and GINO had their run. Its done and over. Time for the next step and time to move forward.

Personally, I'm more interested in seeing where this is going than worrying about what's happened in the past.

All my best,


Russell

monolith21
August 17th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Well put Russell! For the first time in a long time my anticipation outweighs any sludge someone can throw my way about this.

My heart is set on David Hayter writing this. He seems quite able to write within an existing universe and really make it rock! Any other ideas?

KJ
August 17th, 2009, 11:18 PM
Yup agreed Monolith, David Hayter.

Not only did he do screenwriters job on X2 and Watchmen, but he's also the voice of Solid Snake and Naked Snake of the Metal Gear Solid series (YES!!!!!), which i'm a fan of!!! And he voices the EA Games commercials (Its in the game).

Go Hayter! :D:salute:

Heh........., hey?.......... What happened to this place? :blink: (Wasn't my last post over there.....)

Hmm, joining two thread together. Its a little odd. But ah well.

Anyways moving on.

As Twobrain said, where is this heading as of right now. Nice to see that news of this is spreading fast. But seeing as it early Tuesday morning, wondered if i'd check out E! Entertainment News in a hour or so, today and see whether its been reported on there yet. Cos i haven't checked out E! In a long while (loved it when Julianna and Patrick ran the 1 hour segment prior to the 30 minute half hour version which sucks to this day?), but i guess when you online it pays to use the power of "Google.com" instead.

When is E! Going to do a 'doc' about the classic series?! Mostly every other show of the 70's and 80's has one at least, where's BSG's!

Nice to see Garth's posted his news up on darkhorizons.com

He and i had barbs in the past about BSG future when i gave him the heads up on the previous Glen Larson announcement, gotta e-mail soon and see what he makes of all this too. He's a journalist first but he's got his own opinions which he shares with fans, so if anything thats always a good sign!

Its too early to think about what a teaser trailer might look like. Forgive me, even though i was out of it last night, yesterday was the whole Avatar IMAX shebang, i wondered if London would get it, but apparently not. But yeah, theorising on something thats in development putting out a trailer in months to come is something thats on the cards no doubt. I had recent excitment over the 'Tron Legacy' teaser trailer, with a all-new Galactica in studio talks right now, depending on what'll be announced soon, will led us to wonder what'll be thrown at the pre-production of such a venture to make the film, the stars, the storyline (reboot or continuation etc) and the FX (CGI, 3D projection etc.)

We had this out with Old War Daggit's thread a year ago or so didn't we.

Hope it gets to be made into a sticky soon. Cos i had some good theories in that that might pan out now that Bryan Singer's doing the Galactica movie. Bryan wanted to do some of SR sequences in 3D, which is why the Return To Krypton scenes were cutout in Superman Returns. Man's got a huge vision for things i'll say that much. Surely with a science fiction franchise like BSG at his command now, many modern day film technologies that we've debated might now see the light of day and be incorperated into a movie featuring and involving; 'Battlestar Galactica' far removed from its TV series incarnation yet still related (possibly) in some manner, once all is said and done!

*Sigh*

Its August, one wonders why all this didn't happen at ComicCon 2009 last month!

Now we've also got to wait for something bigger still to also be released and announced next July in San Diego too.

* Teaser Poster

* Actors signed up etc.

* Storyline Synopsis announced

* Battlestar Galactica Original Series Remastered Special Edition Blu-Ray DVD news (Official announcement *smile*.)

* Production of film date given out to the press!


Film might be stated for a 2011 release, but i'd like it if the script could be worked on for many months if need be, sets built etc and budget raised before filming got underway. Even Bryan Singer knows what happens when the needed 'prep-time' isn't there for a film, the movie suffers greatly as a major result.

Let keep the faith people, cos i'm glad i'm hearing this news after being around for so long, makes all the struggles we've faced together worth it!

Hope Tom DeSanto gets to be involved at a much later date, but still apart of the process. As will Stu Phillips', i mean who's going to score the movie without consulting him what he did on the original series?! At least several TV to film updates always seemed to have the series music composer, being told and asked what he thought of the new version, etc.

Laters. :thumbsup:

KJ

Creep
August 18th, 2009, 02:41 AM
Creep,

I don't know you or anything about you ... but in light of your recent comment, I don't want to.

I've not seen any of Singer's films that seemed to be an advertisement for walking on the gay side. Given that you rush to the director's personal life as your slam against the project, I can only presume that you are a person of extemely poor character. If you seriously believe that this new Galactica project is going to be the Village People flying vipers in their leather outfits, then you're also an idiot.

As someone who is not in the gay community, I find your input offensive and moronic.


Russell
I'm not rushing into anything I just said what other people also noticed about Singer's movies, like Kevin Smith, who is not gay hater since his own brother is gay. Not just that but my favorite film director of all time is R.W. Fassbinder who was gay/ bi sexual and also one of my favorite film director is Pedro Almodóvar.
All I wanted to say is that many Superman fans complained that Singer turned their favorite character into gay guy and he did very similar to "X-Men" and that it wouldn't be anything new if he did the same with new TOS BSG movie.

For example even an open homosexual magazine "The Advocate" had a cover praising gay spirit in "X-Men" and "Superman".
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/7349/advocate.jpg

TwoBrainedCylon
August 18th, 2009, 03:21 AM
Creep,

Spare me what "other people" have said. YOU came here and said this nonsense. I saw the first two X-Men and can confidently say that I didn't see any "gayness" in it. If Singer treats Galactica like he did in X-Men 1 and 2, I'll be happy as Hell.

Like others, I didn't know Singer was gay until someone told me. Its certainly not something I've ever seen in his work. Your advocacy to the contrary isn't going to convince me otherwise and continues to establish an extremely negative view of who you are and what you're about, at least in my eyes.

If you have something relevant to say about the project then please state it. Otherwise, I'll politely ask you to cease your well masked gay-bashing, whether you feel its your own devising or is something that should be blamed on "other people".

Thank you,


Russell

BST
August 18th, 2009, 05:12 AM
For the benefit of those who may have missed this, the first time it was posted, it's being repeated.

My advice will be to marry the thought to the back of your eyelids as this will be considered the FINAL Warning.




Whether you appreciate his work or not, Bryan Singer is a well-respected director in the film industry and on this website.

Coincident with the open-minded attributes employed by many of our members, his "preference" makes no difference.

BST
August 18th, 2009, 05:29 AM
Now that I have discharged my official duties, I'm going to step back and share a few thoughts.

When I go to a movie or watch one on TV, the first thought is the story. Is it something that catches my imagination? That is what usually gets my behind in the theater seat, sometimes more than 1 time.

When I exit the movie, I'll ask myself if I was entertained. THAT is the only question that needs answering for me. I go to a movie to be entertained, not to debate the lifestyles of the principals involved in the movie.

The choice of a particular lifestyle is that of the person. However, since this society has elevated the news reporters and paparazzi to deity status and made their reports something of prime importance, it stands to reason that the opinion of the general public, regarding a particular person's lifestyle is something that needs to be discussed.

In other words, what the hell business is it of mine, regarding Singer's choice of lifestyle? Why should it be of concern to me and why would my opinion be of any importance to anyone but me? Why would I feel compelled to share that opinion?

Some of the best people that I have met, in my life, have been and are gay. I am not. But, years ago, we found that it made no difference in our friendship. We appreciated the other for the differences that we each "brought to the table". We practiced "diversity" long before it was en vogue and walked the talk before that, too, became a catch phrase.

In the end, it needs to be understood that Tolerance is the key to enlightenment.

No matter the difference -- Gay or Straight, Arab or Israeli, Muslim or Christian, Black or White -- tolerance of the "other" will elevate you.


Treat these thoughts as part of the conversation. Feedback is expected, as with any conversation.

monolith21
August 18th, 2009, 10:02 AM
One of the thing I hate most about the talk back sections on all "news" articles about this is that so much of it is centered around homosexual hate speech. Somehow saying "he's gay" has literally formed itself into "this movie will be gay."

We've been waiting for this announcement for 10 years...arguably more than that if you take the big picture into perspective. I'd hate to see our excitement derailed by this.

Creep, you seem intent to keep discussing this. Every time someone reads your post they get angry. Mostly the comments are about how off subject the whole thing is.

Simply put, most of us don't agree with you. That is okay. I believe in free speech. You can say what you want. I also believe in talking with people. What do you say we drop this and move on to other things? Your point is made. You're just throwing fuel on the fire.

Kronus
August 18th, 2009, 01:46 PM
I don't give a frack who he's attracted to. His movies are far more hit than miss. The Usual Suspects...X-Men and the AMAZING X-Men 2...Superman Returns (yeah, I dig it a lot)...Apt Pupil...and of course House which is a great show!

Wait does this mean a lot of naysaying creeps are going to show up now to give us crap? This place has been so peaceful...lol.

::Wingman swooshes in::

Yeah man! I am here with you on this! This is not the place or setting for this type of thing...in fact let's keep it BSG!

MAN I AM STOKED ABOUT THIS MOVIE...WOO HOO!

One of the thing I hate most about the talk back sections on all "news" articles about this is that so much of it is centered around homosexual hate speech. Somehow saying "he's gay" has literally formed itself into "this movie will be gay."

We've been waiting for this announcement for 10 years...arguably more than that if you take the big picture into perspective. I'd hate to see our excitement derailed by this.

Creep, you seem intent to keep discussing this. Every time someone reads your post they get angry. Mostly the comments are about how off subject the whole thing is.

Simply put, most of us don't agree with you. That is okay. I believe in free speech. You can say what you want. I also believe in talking with people. What do you say we drop this and move on to other things? Your point is made. You're just throwing fuel on the fire.

Shut the frack up about sexuality...how does this contribute to what is being said....DON'T Answer that...just talk about the hopeful BSG movie.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

As for my two cubits, reboot/continuation I really don't care at this point if it comes down to it. In a perfect world and a magic wand I would say continuation but I would settle for a reboot if it meant keeping it all alive.

My preference for who should be involved: Larson/DeSoto and I agread with David Hayter to start with.

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 06:00 PM
Creep? Is this nonsense really needed?

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 06:02 PM
Howdy Kronus

jewels
August 18th, 2009, 06:52 PM
LSF, it's good to see you again.
Jewels

monolith21
August 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM
Hey there LSF!!! Definitely good to hear from ya with this news in the air!

KJ
August 18th, 2009, 09:52 PM
Creep , if your reading this then; SHUT THE HELL UP!

Damn it everytime i'm chatting with fellow members, you keep butting in with stupid nonsense about a film director's sexuality. Grow up man, and take a lesson in manners why don't ya. I can't even have a nice back and forth debate with Monolith without you damn well cocking up our friendly banter about what the new film might offer up.

Everyone knows i'm the BSG muse around here, and i tried to at least ride the wave of good news about the new possible BSG movie with some positives about what the theatrical film namesake on Larson's creation might entail. These pages are suppost to move slowly (unless new film news on the movie production developments break, of course) but now i figure my posts are going to be totally buried a few pages back and all the old time members returning here, ain't going enjoy looking at some of my theories on the new movie and talking it out on here, with everyone else too (Welcome back LSF, Knonus).

:salute:

Look man. Don't ever post before me again, and don't post after me neither, if you going to post more crap like that. Cos then everyone will just let BST and Gemini happily deal with you in their own way! Long as whatever i post on here again doesn't go off track with another of your gay slurs against Bryan Singer's sexual preference, his work, 'partner', his Cat & Dog etc.

I don't care if he does the film in drag long as he as always puts out work rivialing his X-Men films, Usual Suspects, Apt Pupil, yes even Superman Returns (not everyone hates it) movies and House TV show etc.

GOT THAT! :mad:

KJ

Dawg
August 18th, 2009, 10:06 PM
Hey, welcome back, LSF! Saw you over at Sly-ly-fy recently, too.

Good to see Michael's still kicking, too - and all the rest of our old friends.

Man, this is good news, isn't it? The most positive thing that's come up in what, 6 years?

I, too, wonder what the next year or two will bring. Will it actually get made? Is Universal yanking our chain again? We know Singer is a fan - just check out the DeSanto interview over at Tombs - and wouldn't it be great if Tom winds up involved in this, too?

My own hope is a Next-Gen kind of treatment, with older characters mentoring the younger cast that is the main focus of the story line. But I'd probably be OK with a reboot ala Star Trek, too - as long as the universe remains BSG.

And KJ - didn't you see the sign? Don't feed the trolls. ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 10:46 PM
LSF, it's good to see you again.
Jewels

:) Thank you Jewels!!!

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Howdy Dawg!!

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 10:55 PM
Hi Monolith!

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 10:59 PM
Self Delete

KJ
August 18th, 2009, 11:49 PM
After all these years the 'sleeping giant' going to have that evil doctor who keeps putting him under with drugs, finally found out and then the giant will wake up.



"Feb 22nd 2001"

Nurse: He's waking up!

Doctor (Universal Suits'): Quick go get me 10 CC of er...., damnit nurse just go already.

(Soon as back's turned)

Doctor: Oh, no you don't heheheh!

Giant: Uughhh, i'm i'm arggghhhhhhhhhhh...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

(Drugged yet again....!)


December 2001

In the middle of the night

Giant: Uughhhh, what.....huh where? (All glass eyed)

Another Doctor: Nope (messes with Giant's I.V.)

Giant: Arrgggggh

(Beeping goes off, alarms raised etc)



Sometime in April 2002

Giant: hmmmm? ughhhhh, i, i..... i'mmm, ahhhhhhhh! Eh, whats going on

(Another Doctor walks in)

Doctor: No, nope not today of all days. We've got a special day today and my bosses tell me to make sure you don't go ruining their party.

(injects powerful drug enducing agent into Giant's bloodstream)

Giant: Ughhhhhhhhhh!, arggggh Nnooooooooooooo!

Doctor: (Evil grin appears on face) Thats better, yeah sleep it off for a couple more years. Bwhahahahahaha!

(*Thunder and lightning* crackle by nearby window. As bats fly out about the place, as Doctor leaves room)



Cut to 2009 August 15th


Nurse: He's waking up....again?

Doctor: Quick go get me 10 CC of popcor....

Nurse: Hey wait a minute, i've seen you before around this patient before?!

Doctor: I don't know what you mean.

Giant: I., i, i,

Doctor: Quickly move i need to,......

(Doctor with intern staff)

Doctor 2: O.K. this is where we? Nurse what are you waiting for.... Get a team in here stat!

Doctor 1: No no its alright i'm eh, handling this (*worried look on face*)

Passerby..

Bryan Singer: Yeah so i told them, prep-time is important give it a few weeks and i'll see if the studio will give me the needed,...?

(Sees Doctor 1, is about to pull out patient's I.V.)

Bryan Singer: MY OLD friend. (Pushes doctor 1 out of the way and assists the crashteam in reviving the patient)

Giant: *cough cough, arggggh*

Doctor 2: Phew! He's alive.

Doctor 1: No he's 'Frakking' dead Jim

Nurse: Who are you anyways?

Doctor 1: Pulls off facemask and is revealed to be? David Eick.

Real Doctor 2: Call security and arrest that man!

Eick: You won't get me. (Runs out the door, manical laughter is heard and it fills the streets, as he smashes into things. steps out into traffic, pushing old ladies over, and generally ranting and raving etc)

Nurse: Just like in the end credits of that crappy.....

Singer: Never mind him, least my old buddy's alright!

Giant: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Real Doctor: Well, he'll be out of it in terms of his senses but he'll come around. Know what year it is son?

Giant: 1979?

Real Doctor: Who's President Of The United States Of America?

Giant: Jimmy Carter, why?

Singer: He'll need some help won't he. Come on old boy we've got things doing don't we!


;)

Read through the metaphors!


KJ

LordStarFyre
August 18th, 2009, 11:56 PM
Self Delete

KJ
August 19th, 2009, 12:01 AM
:thumbsup:

;):D

Glad you liked it. DeSanto/Singer coined it ("The phrase" 'Sleeping Giant'), and i've used it to describe our pain for all these years!

Laters

KJ

JLHurley
August 19th, 2009, 03:32 AM
It's been a horribly long road to classic BG's return but I have to say it's been damn great having Colonial Fleets around for a good chunk of that voyage. :salute:

peter noble
August 19th, 2009, 04:36 AM
It's been a horribly long road to classic BG's return but I have to say it's been damn great having Colonial Fleets around for a good chunk of that voyage. :salute:

Has classic Battlestar Galactica returned though?

It seems like a lot of fans are not really reading the reports and adding 2 and 2 and making 5.

The facts seems to be that Universal has approached Bryan Singer to direct and produce a Galactica feature film and that Glen A. Larson is also a producer.

That's it.

All the rest seems to be speculation. The reports do mention Singer's involvement in the defunct movie of the week for FOX, but there is no indication that he's going to return to that material, in fact the term "reimagination" shows up in reports and that could mean anything.

Stop putting the cart before the horse. This project is in development, a script hasn't been written yet. The development could take years and the project could be cancelled.

It's early days.

KJ
August 19th, 2009, 06:47 AM
My signature alone, says i've known a BSG movie after 25 to 35 years wouldn't be an exact 70's retread of the original!

Nor should it!

Think its a given Singer while a fan of Battlestar Galactica, he isn't exactly as hardcore about BG as DeSanto is. But thats not to say simply cos a movie incarnation obviously going to need alot of changes to make it work on the big screen past 2010 doesn't mean he'll ditch the core characters, themes or mythos.

Otherwise it wouldn't be BSG at all, reboot or not. And while Moore and co had their turn, its once again Singer's (something he'd return to, wasn't something any of us ever touched upon nor saw coming was it?) when NuBSG ar in production or after he left to do X2. And for the past couple of years on here i've always entertained more alternate versions of BG moreso than anybody else i might say respectfully. Doesn't mean with the recent news we'd all jump the gun, just early excitment is all. Which after what we've gone through i think we're deserved and entitled to be somewhat happy about.

You nor anybody else though can't stop thinking the movie and Bryan Singer won't get most Galactica fans for the moment at least, thinking it'll be more closely related Larson's BG series though, for the meanwhile? Until something new comes down the pipe. allow some fans on here to express themselves how they'd like to. Cos GL didn't hold on to the copyrights for all these years, just to see another RD Moore incarnation neither, even if a thrid version in itself naturally going to have its own voice and appearence different from whats come before etc.

Alright then no massive celebrations til the big ball finally drops on the Galactica movie front news, just everyone keep the 'faith' til then is all.

But once it does though. Expect big changes.

Cos i think, once the news does go our way, this site and its fans ARE in for big changes. And i for one would love to see the place go commercial instead of just merely being a fansite for the old series, when the movie's finally underway!

It'll pay respects to the founders of this place and everyone in it!

Colours might have to change from 'brown to black' as most movie websites are. And have a new spanking animated intro etc. But i'd also love a 'chatroom' to have tons of new voices from aal-new film buffs who openly wanted to see this as much as us fans over the years.

But yeah, its early days, but after all the previous disappointments, did we ever think we'd get this far at all? Originally we wanted a new continuation series. Now it looking like Galactica going the big screen multi-million dollar movie route instead. We're going were BSG TV series peer's (Space 1999, Blake 7, Dr Who) of the 70's haven't even been yet. So why be all somber about it, the fanbase needs to celebrate something. This does prove on some scale that the one season 78 series, was always far more extraordinary than given credit for. If the upcoming news is radically bad, and our disappointment gets even further more annoying at, what we hear coming out, our reactions would only be much more worse than our previous reactions to NuBSG when it started out, to any future news about this BSG film. Then its the studios who unfortunately have to change their investments pretty "FAST" in such a venture before it'll be too late.

Most of the time studios don't listen, but the media and the internet doesn't lie when disappointments are registered on a massive scale and if doesn't pan out. They'd need to fix their mess and win people's back or something. Universal can look back at BSG history and see where the mistakes were made and cracks are. They don't listen, but i refuse to believe that all execs are 'cliched' stupid most of the time (just "ignorant" 90% though) now thats becoming too much of a cliche!

A Battlestar Glactica theatrical movie needs to take alot of time to shape up and build itself properly. I don't like the fact the movie's listed for 2011? Thats way too early if a new film's coming, cos there's no scripts, production sets etc in the planning stages. And it could be in development hell if not careful, your right. But better we hear that Bryan Singer was involved with BSG for a second time than no time at all.

Cos then the demand for that brilliant director to do something worthwhile with the Galactica copyrights and start a possible movie franchise at Universal with BSG, would only vastly be something filmgoers would demand of Singer rather than sit on it wait til he passed or something. Singer to be tapped then passing on BSG yet again would make Universal look like Major League total idiots, and their reputation needs a boost not a downer right now!

We'll see won't we.

Like i said "Third time's a charm!"

KJ

jewels
August 19th, 2009, 07:09 AM
Howdy Dawg!!

I'm still hoping that Tom is brought onboard.

As it is, I'm so frigging stoked!! But if we get Glen Larson, Bryan Singer, AND Tom DeSanto ALL on this

WE WILL FINALLY GET THE BATTLESTAR GALACTICA WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING ON FOR 30 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I'll try to contain myself....
No containment necessary! We have these little dudes if you really need to let it out: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

You are not alone in how you feel.

CaptainTux
August 19th, 2009, 08:19 AM
I've spent a couple of hours reading this entire thread (not all in one sitting, mind you). I have to say that with everything that has transpired over almost 20 pages, I am more proud to be a BSG fan than ever. During these pages I have seen many things. Hope and optimism renewed at the exciting news of this movie with Larsan and Singer (still hoping for DeSanto). Yeah, I know we do not know what this movie will entail yet, but the hope that has sprung forth from this has accomplished a lot. Old faces have returned. Some fans are ready to tell the studios what they want again. Even if it does not accomplish anything, making your voice heard as a consumer and as a fan is always important. A call to build a bridge between the two fan bases as this movie comes. Honest frustration expressed by those who have done fan projects and felt alone, though not fuzzy feel good, provides us with the awareness that we need to support each other and our artistic expressions of Galactica. I think that awareness will strengthen the bonds that are built here. The call to commit to more focused projects as fans expressing our enthusiasm for BSG TOS. This again, gives energy, optimism, and hope.

Reading this thread was wonderful. It brought forth vision, dreams, frustrations, concerns, and hope. The most important thing that I saw happen in this thread was something else. Community and friendship.

We have a shared experience and there is passion behind that sharing once again. I hope we hang onto that no matter what becomes of the movie. There are stories to be told, art to be drawn, and more adventures for the characters of BSG, but they get to be told by us and shared with each other regardless of the movie.

Sorry for the rant, just good to see energy here again. Now, back to my armchair as I listen to the dreams and possibilities. :):)

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 11:59 AM
Putting the moderator hat on:\

I don't think there's any need to start slamming TNS Battlestar Galactica fans (as I am one). This fanboyish need for hostility is felgercarb, and I want it stopped. So what if the fans of the new show are irked that the possibility of a new movie will (most likely) be based on the original series. Being a fan of the original show, this possibility pleases me.

However, as far as I'm concerned, slamming the fans of the new show, and taking some form of pleasure in seeing them perturbed over the latest deveolpments is by extension speaking of, or giving attention to the new show itself, and last time I checked, that was forbidden in the rules of play here at Colonial Fleets.

Since original series fans seem to take pride in supposedly comporting themselves of better character than the new series fans they love to malign....how about putting your money where your mouths are? Right now, you're proving nothing of the sort.

Martok has spoken.

LordStarFyre
August 19th, 2009, 12:06 PM
Putting the moderator hat on:

I don't think there's any need to start slamming TNS Battlestar Galactica fans (as I am one). This fanboyish need for hostility is felgercarb, and I want it stopped. So what if the fans of the new show are irked that the possibility of a new movie will (most likely) be based on the original series. Being a fan of the original show, this possibility pleases me.

However, as far as I'm concerned, slamming the fans of the new show, and taking some form of pleasure in seeing them perturbed over the latest deveolpments is by extension speaking of, or giving attention to the new show itself, and last time I checked, that was forbidden in the rules of play here at Colonial Fleets.

Since original series fans seem to take pride in supposedly comporting themselves of better character than the new series fans they love to malign....how about putting your money where your mouths are? Right now, you're proving nothing of the sort.

Martok has spoken.

Well Since you obviously directed that at me, 3 times, I'll go ahead and pick up the gauntlet.

Read what I wrote.

Was it directed at the fans, or the Production Staff?

Seriously.

Since defending the TNS has seemingly become a cause dujour, I'll just head on back out.

Thanks for being there Fleets.

LSF Out.....

jewels
August 19th, 2009, 12:15 PM
LSF,
Don't take the triplicate-ness of the post to heart. I think Martok and I were both trying to kill an accidental duplicate at the same time. I've not done that in eons and my Mac started acting up the instant I tried copying the thread so I wouldn't mangle it. Either that or it was all me doing the triplication. I think what Martock said is just a reminder to all of us, lest we paint all with a brush fit only for a few.

The one thing a remake/reimaging/new direction with an established property insures: someone will not be happy with it and say so vocally.

Drat, Now where did that thread split function go?

edit: dupes are deleted at least in content. I was having some wiggy connections for a bit. Sorry this was sloppier work than usual.

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 12:52 PM
Indeed, LSF,

My post was intended to occur only once, and my internet connection decided to play havoc with my posting during the process. No triplication was intended.

And....umm...I was NOT defending the new show. I was condemning the insults and derisions being hurled at new series fans by the spiteful comments of other posters, so don't play the self-persecuted victim routine with me. That dog hunts not.

I do not speak for Fleets on any matter except where the rules are being violated in this case. So do not try to make me some figurehead for them. If Fleets is dissatisfied with my comments, then they'll take it up with me.

Kronus
August 19th, 2009, 01:10 PM
Boo Hoo...someone is going to be unhappy and that is of no surprise.

So we don't have to yap about it here...here at CF we are celebrating!

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA! WOO HOO! MOVIE! MOVIE!

:thumbsup::popcorn::muffit::maitai::colada::corona::beer::bounce::cow::cylon::mushies::balloon::warrior::choco::beaver::woof::alien::drool:

:salute:

LordStarFyre
August 19th, 2009, 01:45 PM
Indeed, LSF,

My post was intended to occur only once, and my internet connection decided to play havoc with my posting during the process. No triplication was intended.

And....umm...I was NOT defending the new show. I was condemning the insults and derisions being hurled at new series fans by the spiteful comments of other posters, so don't play the self-persecuted victim routine with me. That dog hunts not.

I do not speak for Fleets on any matter except where the rules are being violated in this case. So do not try to make me some figurehead for them. If Fleets is dissatisfied with my comments, then they'll take it up with me.

Well, as a Moderator Martok, maybe you should direct your fire at who it's intended.

Does that dog hunt for ya?

However, I'll save you the trouble. I've deleted my posts, as I wouldn't want to offend anyone.......

CaptainTux
August 19th, 2009, 02:22 PM
LSF,
I've not done that in eons and my Mac started acting up the instant I tried copying the thread so I wouldn't mangle it.
Mac's do not act up Jewels. Just saying. :salute: ::tux ducks::

CaptainTux
August 19th, 2009, 02:26 PM
Lord Kingjason,

My memory is fuzzy since it has been so long since I posted here. If we had known each other before, forgive the man with gray hair in his beard. But I wanted you to know that I appreciate your insights and thoughts on things.

Kronus
August 19th, 2009, 02:31 PM
Oh man...Tux you beat me to it! LOL! The problem is near-perfection trying to work in a PC environment...hee hee ::Kronus now ducks:: :duck:

LSF - Dude, most of us here knew a lot of what you said was tongue in cheek, Martok was just reminding us to keep the topic from flaming the GINO, ah I mean TNS BSG fans. :P:

This way things stay cool between us all...we should be thankful that BSG is being kept alive regardless...although I really like KJ's version the best...I nearly fractured a rib!

Woo Hoo, movie movie movie!

CaptainTux
August 19th, 2009, 02:38 PM
Kronos,

You have an infectious enthusiasm! Keep it up. Hope Jewels does not thwack you too hard. :) I use Linux (can't afford a Mac on a pastor's salary) so I get the joys of life in a Window's world.

Kronus
August 19th, 2009, 02:41 PM
can't afford a Mac on a pastor's salary
I know what you mean, that is why I have a full time job while pastoring in Chula Vista CA.
Linux, the next best thing...I use Linux servers on my sites I own and manage. I have way less trouble with them...in fact I have never had an issue in the 5 years using Linux...hmmm.

oops this is about the new movie...

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 02:51 PM
LSF,

I don't know where you got the idea that I somehow singled you out....so stop playing the "self-persecuted martyr for TOS".

And for the record, you DO NOT dictate to a mod how or what to say. I mentioned the rules, and condemned the notion that the berating of TNS fans was going on unchecked.

You wanna leave all huffy puffy........there's the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out. Frankly, I don't give a flying frak.

BTW, slamming of production staff of the new Battlestar Galactica constitutes the same extension as slamming the fans. Basically, when the new ground rules were laid a few years ago regarding conduct and discussion pertaining to the new Battlestar Galactica, the rules were no discussion of the show....that meant praising or slamming, of the show, its fans, its productions staff, their families, and anyone or anything connected to it. The only discussion permitted pertaining to TNS was fanart based upon the show, and then at that, discussion was to be limited to the techniques and technical aspects of said fanart.

To put it simply:

Celebrate the possible production of the new (original series based) movie. I'm all fired up about it if the rumors prove to be true. However, in the process of celebrating, there need be no berating of new series Galactica fans, production staff, or anyone connected to that show in any way shape or form.

LordStarFyre
August 19th, 2009, 02:53 PM
Oh man...Tux you beat me to it! LOL! The problem is near-perfection trying to work in a PC environment...hee hee ::Kronus now ducks:: :duck:

LSF - Dude, most of us here knew a lot of what you said was tongue in cheek, Martok was just reminding us to keep the topic from flaming the GINO, ah I mean TNS BSG fans. :P:

This way things stay cool between us all...we should be thankful that BSG is being kept alive regardless...although I really like KJ's version the best...I nearly fractured a rib!

Woo Hoo, movie movie movie!

I get that Kronus. I wasn't trying to offend, insult, spindle, fold or mutilate any Fans, tns or otherwise. I just didn't realize that poking at the higher ups at the Production was also illegal.

As such, I was out of line.

It's probably better I just keep my opinions to myself.

LordStarFyre
August 19th, 2009, 02:56 PM
LSF,

I don't know where you got the idea that I somehow singled you out....so stop playing the "self-persecuted martyr for TOS".

And for the record, you DO NOT dictate to a mod how or what to say. I mentioned the rules, and condemned the notion that the berating of TNS fans was going on unchecked.

You wanna leave all huffy puffy........there's the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out. Frankly, I don't give a flying frak.

BTW, slamming of production staff of the new Battlestar Galactica constitutes the same extension as slamming the fans. Basically, when the new ground rules were laid a few years ago regarding conduct and discussion pertaining to the new Battlestar Galactica, the rules were no discussion of the show....that meant praising or slamming, of the show, its fans, its productions staff, their families, and anyone or anything connected to it. The only discussion permitted pertaining to TNS was fanart based upon the show, and then at that, discussion was to be limited to the techniques and technical aspects of said fanart.

To put it simply:

Celebrate the possible production of the new (original series based) movie. I'm all fired up about it if the rumors prove to be true. However, in the process of celebrating, there need be no berating of new series Galactica fans, production staff, or anyone connected to that show in any way shape or form.

Feel Free to Delete me then Martok

Kronus
August 19th, 2009, 03:07 PM
It's probably better I just keep my opinions to myself.
Well just keep your opinions within the CF standards that have been laid out...it is a good rule. Keeping good relations with everyone when it comes to BSG (regardless which version you swear by) it is the best solution and getting excited about the new movie...the one we have been hoping for...a hopeful Original style or story...man this is just sooo great!

We don't need to mention the "other" group...cause no matter how you word it someone will get all bent.

And don't let the Klingon/BSG moderator muscle you out of here...he is correct about what we should avoid saying, he's just doing his job even if his bedside manner needs adjusting...:D

Woo Hoo! We are getting our movie!

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 03:28 PM
Feel Free to Delete me then Martok

That power does not lie with me, LSF. I am not so blessed by the gods. :D

Kronos, keeping a very cool head, put it best, and I agree.

To clarify:

There are rules in place here....I know it cramps a lot of haters' styles, but we put those rules in place to keep the peace. I put my foot down to enforce the rule. That you took it solely directed toward yourself is something you have to deal with within yourself. I made a general message to put a stop to a conversation that could potentially spin out of control.

The thing is, there are still new Battlestar Galactica fans here, and the last thing we'd need is for one of them to get the wrong impression of the opinions you (or anyone else) had made before. The last thing I want to see is a furball start over a TV show.

And yes, I've had to stop favorable discussion of TNS as well as slammings....so it isn't easy being a fence-rider. :)

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 03:31 PM
Well just keep your opinions within the CF standards that have been laid out...it is a good rule. Keeping good relations with everyone when it comes to BSG (regardless which version you swear by) it is the best solution and getting excited about the new movie...the one we have been hoping for...a hopeful Original style or story...man this is just sooo great!

We don't need to mention the "other" group...cause no matter how you word it someone will get all bent.

And don't let the Klingon/BSG moderator muscle you out of here...he is correct about what we should avoid saying, he's just doing his job even if his bedside manner needs adjusting...:D

Woo Hoo! We are getting our movie!

Well put, Kronos.

As for my bedside manner needing adjusting...have you seen my mallet? :D

I have no intention of muscling anyone out though...even LSF. I just didn't appreciate him taking a moderator to task for enforcing the rules. LSF, as any fan, original or new, is welcome to remain here, as long as they observe the rules.

:)

jewels
August 19th, 2009, 03:38 PM
My Mac's just grossly in need of updating. An old OS that I need to upgrade ASAP—just to make the internet run smoothly.
Jewels

Reaper
August 19th, 2009, 03:39 PM
Kronus my friend, I think you habve a serious case of the Happies!!!! not that I don't either, I'm just a little more guarded in my hopes and thoughts for the new movie.

Until I hear an official announcement that The original stars have reported for wardrobe fittings and Have an idea of the Story, I'm going to be a little more careful as to when I pop the corks :)

Other then that, I'm still ready to attend these parties :) :salute::salute::rotf:

As a technical note, Would it be ok to stop refering to the Moore Production as "New Battlestar"? With the announcment of this movie, I'd argue that this is the NEW Battlestar. I just don't think TNS is accurate anymore. I've been trying to consistantly refer to the last TV Series as the Moore Battlestar. Just tryint to keep everything sorted in case the movie does turn out to be a third, different incarnation.

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 03:47 PM
Kronus my friend, I think you habve a serious case of the Happies!!!! not that I don't either, I'm just a little more guarded in my hopes and thoughts for the new movie.

Until I hear an official announcement that The original stars have reported for wardrobe fittings and Have an idea of the Story, I'm going to be a little more careful as to when I pop the corks :)

Other then that, I'm still ready to attend these parties :) :salute::salute::rotf:

As a technical note, Would it be ok to stop refering to the Moore Production as "New Battlestar"? With the announcment of this movie, I'd argue that this is the NEW Battlestar. I just don't think TNS is accurate anymore. I've been trying to consistantly refer to the last TV Series as the Moore Battlestar. Just tryint to keep everything sorted in case the movie does turn out to be a third, different incarnation.

An interesting technicality you point out, Reaper. LOL!

However, any further discussion or mention of the Moore production should henceforth be vorbotten, as per the rules. :) Let's just focus on the (possibly) upcoming movie based on (possibly) the original series. :)

Reaper
August 19th, 2009, 03:54 PM
that works too ;) I'll stop referencing it ;)

Now, back to what we Want out of this new movie!!!!!!!

Can you say continuation? lol (I said want, not what's definate :) )

TwoBrainedCylon
August 19th, 2009, 05:13 PM
Steve,

As a friend speaking among friends, ... I think you're being a wee bit hypersensitive here. I supported the no-GINO allowed rule when it came about but think its important to understand the context. GINO was flaunting a military rape and that, and similar repulsive material was being loudly praised by its fans. Some of those fans, including what we now know were a slew of sock puppets, were engaged in a militant assault against any and all original series fans on Fleets, a site set up by original series fans and seen as something of a safe harbor by its long-term members and founders.

Things were ugly and a lot of anger was churned up all around. For those who long supported Fleets, the place had become akin to a fascist dictatorship. Everyone agreed things had to change.

They did.

I'd suggest that the conversations here are appropriate. Fan reactions to the news of this thread is an on-topic discussion, whether those reactions are by GINO fans or others. Certainly, given the way the GINO fans have regarded us, any "told you so" reactions have been incredibly lame in my opinion.

I am admittedly skewed because as reasonable as I like to think I am, watching GINO get flushed down the sewer does bring a smile on my face. Its a personal enjoyment that I try not to shove in anyone else's face but I also don't think that places me on the same level as Ted Gorospe, ... and sincerely, your response to LSF seems to indicate that its not far off from that.

I'd also go as far as to suggest that the mods might want to reconsider the no-GINO rule at this point in history with the provision that being an obvnoxious moron or whining about others who don't like your flavor of the week is ruled out. I only offer that as a suggestion for behind the scenes discussion but in some ways, the rule seems to be more harmful than helpful at this point in history. My brief observation is that as soon as the money for sock puppets ran out, a majority of the GINO trolls (and subsequently the mass-anger) went away.

Since GINO is over and done with and part of history, like G1980, it may be time to discuss it as a piece of history, especially since, as noted, it may have a major influence on the upcoming film project.

If this seems to be too badly skewed for the original series fans, before you discount it, I ask you to consider that I'm the guy who put a bullet in the head of Cylon.org because one of the mods on this site was being abused for expressing support for GINO, so I arrogantly think I have some credibility to stand on for that reason alone if for no other.

Thank you for the consideration and all my best to all,


Russell

KJ
August 19th, 2009, 06:04 PM
Hi people, passing through again.

Hmmm, still no sign of BSG being seen anywhere's on 'E' Entertainment! For all the news out there, its mainly Internet and Satellite/Cable text pages and whatnot etc, but nothing's come in so far as someone reporting it outright on the entertainment channels or programmes yet!

I'lll have to get probably a few sci-fi magazines come September and see whats up then though.

Captain Tux :) :thumbsup:


Yeah we know each other from a few years going back. You had the lovable Linux Penguin as an 'Avatar' right? (no not the upcoming movie, the computer thingy?)

:D

Nice to see you kicking about on here! We'll talk soon in the future hopefully now that you're back.

TwoBrainedCylon how's things for you too. :salute:

KJ

martok2112
August 19th, 2009, 06:50 PM
Russell,

As always, you speak wisely, and I certainly do feel a bit lesser for having reacted the way I did. :)

I know though that deep down inside, those folks who absolutely abhorred Moore's production will not regard it as a part of history, except to say that they think it is the worst part of history in the 30 years of Battlestar Galactica, and that all that will happen is more bashing of Moore's production, and thus continuing to make new series fans (such as myself) feel extremely unwelcome here. If they were to acknowledge it as a part of history as to say "this is how NOT to do Battlestar Galactica" (in their own humble opinions, of course), then that's one thing.....but I just know there will be a lot of "GINOid this", and "MooreRon that"...and I for one cannot and will not stomach it.

If the admins wish to re-think the noGINO rule here, well, that's within their prerogative. If it starts to turn into the debacle that I think it will, should the rule be rescinded, I'll be the first to leave. No huffy puffy. No special speeches. I'll just go.

Violating my own "foot down-putting" (LOL), I'll put all my cards on the table. I enjoyed Moore's show from start to finish....and outside of here I've made no secret of that. Unfortunately, there are a lot of TOS fans here who tend to lump all of us Moore production fans into this category of moral bankruptcy, so I have the feeling that should the rule be rescinded, those of us who simply enjoyed the show (regardless of whether or not we are also fans of the original series) will be the first ones with their heads on the virtual chopping blocks of those who've had nothing but a grudge since 2003.

Again, though, you do speak wisely as always, my friend. And it's always good to hear from you. :)

Respectfully,
Steve:salute:

monolith21
August 19th, 2009, 08:33 PM
KJ...your sleeping Giant story is down right priceless! lol

Captain Tux...I like you man. Your post put a bit ol' smile on my face. The hope and community of this place keeps me coming back. I've made some great friends here and I'm looking forward to adding you to that list.

LSF, your opinions are always welcome with me my friend. A good discussion is a good discussion!

Steve, I can only imagine how you must be feeling. You're a fan of both worlds and I suppose that can get tough when both tolerate each other at the best of times (as it was so eloquently put earlier on in this thread).

Its tough taking the high ground. Right now we're getting called every name in the book. Its not just by the fans, but by these suppsed journalists. We don't exist...we don't matter...one of us was even called something in a forum I just read that would absolutely without a doubt reduce me to throwing punches if I had heard it used in the real world.

Not because it was about a television show...because it was downright unacceptable. Period. You just don't say things like that to people.

That said, I absolutely agree with you about taking that higher ground. We need to, especially out there in the public eye. Its important to have some kind of release valve though. I'm not sure what that can be if we cant vent here, but I think its worth exploring.

Here's the thing, I don't want to offend you. Its easy to get carried away when venting and forget that there are those here who are into both shows.

Asking us to hold ourselves to a higher standard is a good thing. The reality of that is rough though. When it comes to insulting "the other" fan base we're not even close to as bad as they are right now...they brought their "A" game and we're just suffering it in silence mostly.

That is a reality we're going to have to face whilst playing nicely. They've gotten my Irish up more than once and I am more than a little willing to play fair.

The only reason I'm bringing this up is because I feel that we need to be vocal right now, and that means suffering a hail storm of crap I can't believe in order to make ourselves heard.

If we want these writers who are making these announcements to change their tune a bit and indeed show we do want this to happen we gotta speak up.

I'm not gonna lie, I see those talk back sections where they are bashing us to bits and I get worried. If the powers that be get the feeling we don't exist they can derail this thing. That is a very real possibility.

If we make a show of force (forgive the expression, I mean that in the show our support kind of way) we just might be able to even the odds.

I don't blame THEM for being angry. In truth I think we all know how they feel. I think its good that they are feeling it. That is not being mean or vindictive. I think it will do this fandom some good to even things out a bit. Empathy is a good thing.

KJ
August 19th, 2009, 08:52 PM
Same here, as Monolith said!

KJ...your sleeping giant story is down right priceless! lol

Thanks :salute::D

Got inspired by the artwork that had Dirk about to have his Balls cut off by you know who etc, that and DeSanto/Singer's 'Sleeping Giant' statement. Didn't mean any harm by it to anybody on here, its just that until this is in theaters, its probably going to be something that'll be revisited until then!

I'm free and allowing anyone to do their own version as well!

KJ

Gemini1999
August 19th, 2009, 09:28 PM
I'd like to make a suggestion here...

If we really are folks that pride ourselves on taking the "high ground", then I think that everyone participating in this discussion should adopt that behavior and take things down a notch in terms of emotions. It is just a discussion and while generally speaking, talking about TNS is not permitted, but it seems such references to TNS that have been made are of the peripheral variety. That being said, I don't think that anyone meant anything injurious towards TNS fans, or anyone else.

Note to Steve: Just a personal observation, but your rather emotional moderation post felt like it came out of the blue. It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, nor did you quote any of the perceived slights being made. I don't know why LSF took personal insult by anything other than the timing of your post in conjunction with his own. The rather terse exchange is probably something that should be taken off the board instead of forcing everyone else to witness it.

As for the rest of the discussion, why don't we stick to our own playground and not drag the disputes/discussions from other boards to this one. If I'm not mistaken, Fleets has a rule about not bringing troubles from other boards to this site.

Let's just focus on the topic of discussion and see what comes of it, eh?

Regards,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

Sarika
August 20th, 2009, 12:54 AM
I've spent a couple of hours reading this entire thread (not all in one sitting, mind you). I have to say that with everything that has transpired over almost 20 pages, I am more proud to be a BSG fan than ever. During these pages I have seen many things. Hope and optimism renewed at the exciting news of this movie with Larsan and Singer (still hoping for DeSanto). Yeah, I know we do not know what this movie will entail yet, but the hope that has sprung forth from this has accomplished a lot. Old faces have returned. Some fans are ready to tell the studios what they want again. Even if it does not accomplish anything, making your voice heard as a consumer and as a fan is always important. A call to build a bridge between the two fan bases as this movie comes. Honest frustration expressed by those who have done fan projects and felt alone, though not fuzzy feel good, provides us with the awareness that we need to support each other and our artistic expressions of Galactica. I think that awareness will strengthen the bonds that are built here. The call to commit to more focused projects as fans expressing our enthusiasm for BSG TOS. This again, gives energy, optimism, and hope.

Reading this thread was wonderful. It brought forth vision, dreams, frustrations, concerns, and hope. The most important thing that I saw happen in this thread was something else. Community and friendship.

We have a shared experience and there is passion behind that sharing once again. I hope we hang onto that no matter what becomes of the movie. There are stories to be told, art to be drawn, and more adventures for the characters of BSG, but they get to be told by us and shared with each other regardless of the movie.

Sorry for the rant, just good to see energy here again. Now, back to my armchair as I listen to the dreams and possibilities. :):)

Captain Tux, lovely to see you my friend, once again docking with the Fleets!:)
I love what you say here, and I couldn't agree more. Indeed the heart of BSG continues within every one of us here that have formed a wonderful community and circle of friends of like-mindedness on a common ground and passion!
Ahhh the possibilities are infinite in the potential of new adventures and worlds, characters and thier lives of Battlestar!:salute:

monolith21
August 20th, 2009, 02:31 AM
The Siress Sarika has joined the thread! More good news. I tell ya I love this breaking news stuff just as much for who it brings back to the table aside from the news itself!

So when this movie does premier how many of you can I expect to see at the Chinese theater in Hollywood?

Wait...IMAX...I WANT TO SEE THIS IN IMAX!!! lol

KJ
August 20th, 2009, 02:43 AM
Don't we all!

Think with the latest technologies, the new film will do things the 1978 series could only dream of.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if John Dykstra was contacted by Singer and asked if he could do the new movie's effects. Now there's passionate thinking for you, along with some minor continuity!

Dykstra did the original, why can't he do the new version too! Think of the experience factor coming in the door, if it were possible to lure and sign him up for this production! Hey, BST & Gemini, is it possible you could hunt down and make that old thread of mine about the possible movie effects for a new BSG movie a *Sticky*. What does everyone else say?! Yes, no, too early?!

Discuss....

KJ

JLHurley
August 20th, 2009, 03:30 AM
Has classic Battlestar Galactica returned though?

It seems like a lot of fans are not really reading the reports and adding 2 and 2 and making 5.

The facts seems to be that Universal has approached Bryan Singer to direct and produce a Galactica feature film and that Glen A. Larson is also a producer.

That's it.

All the rest seems to be speculation. The reports do mention Singer's involvement in the defunct movie of the week for FOX, but there is no indication that he's going to return to that material, in fact the term "reimagination" shows up in reports and that could mean anything.

Stop putting the cart before the horse. This project is in development, a script hasn't been written yet. The development could take years and the project could be cancelled.

It's early days.

If it's a "reimagination" that's true to the original's heart and soul--and has solid writing to boot--I'll be more than happy. And from the moment I read this latest report, it was definitely on my mind that it may never see the light of day; I just prefer to be more optimistic about life and hope for the best.

Guess I'll just put both my cart and my horse back in my stable and keep my enthusiam to myself. :errr:

Aphrodite
August 20th, 2009, 03:33 AM
I don't know if I want to go to Hollywood to see it, but IMAX would ROCK!! I'd see it anywhere they have a THX sound system, too. Going to Universal Studios to see it would be great as well.

Damocles
August 20th, 2009, 03:33 AM
Hey, welcome back, LSF! Saw you over at Sly-ly-fy recently, too.

Good to see Michael's still kicking, too - and all the rest of our old friends.

Man, this is good news, isn't it? The most positive thing that's come up in what, 6 years?

I, too, wonder what the next year or two will bring. Will it actually get made? Is Universal yanking our chain again? We know Singer is a fan - just check out the DeSanto interview over at Tombs - and wouldn't it be great if Tom winds up involved in this, too?

My own hope is a Next-Gen kind of treatment, with older characters mentoring the younger cast that is the main focus of the story line. But I'd probably be OK with a reboot ala Star Trek, too - as long as the universe remains BSG.

And KJ - didn't you see the sign? Don't feed the trolls. ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Ah! NO! I hated Jean Luc "I surrender" Pickacard (Pat Stewart) and that camera hog weak chinned Jim Kirk want to be Wanker-er Ryker (Frakes). After the GBotG passed, the writing went to where Rick Berman should head soon. Bozo characters, forehead aliens and recycled time travel stories took the franchise into the

http://www.riversides.org/websiteimages/sewer_400.jpg

I don't want a repeat of what happened to Lost in Space and Star Trek.

Why do you think JJ Adams had to take a hammer to the reset button?

peter noble
August 20th, 2009, 03:41 AM
Battlestar Galactica De-Imagined

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3019

BST
August 20th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Somewhere I do recall making a post regarding the subject of --

Tolerance.

Did anyone read it??

That concept goes for more than just choice of lifestyle.

Think about it.

JLHurley
August 20th, 2009, 04:16 AM
I don't know if I want to go to Hollywood to see it, but IMAX would ROCK!! I'd see it anywhere they have a THX sound system, too. Going to Universal Studios to see it would be great as well.

Careful, Aphrodite. I think you might be experiencing Cart Before Horse Syndrome. According to Dr. Noble, we shouldn't get excited over anything but the facts, and there are no facts to support BG in IMAX.

David Kerin
August 20th, 2009, 04:32 AM
Battlestar Galactica De-Imagined

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3019

From reading this article one is told the original was never a ratings success, while Moore's version was a huge success. It drives me insane to read articles where the information is barely researched. Or it is stated in the angle they prefer with knowledge that the majority of the people will not take the time to find out the truth, or even question the article's validity. And that goes not just for this article, but the 24/7 news, web, blogs, radio... everything. So much today is how you slant the story to sell your point of view, rather than presenting the solid facts.

Stepping off soap-box...

TwoBrainedCylon
August 20th, 2009, 05:47 AM
Steve (and all but mostly Steve),

I'll confess I'm at a disadvantage to really understand some of your concerns. I've always thought those worried about the phrase GINO were childish and a bit emotionally flawed. Similarly, I've never grasped why some here take such offense to someone calling the original series "Cheesy". My likes and dislikes are based on ME and nobody else. I have a hard time relating to anyone who is worried about whether what they like is popular or not. This is skewed somewhat when it comes to ratings and films because the likes and dislikes of others impact whether or not I get to see more of what I like, but beyond that, who really cares?

That aspect of the fan wars has always been a mystery to me.

The articles that people reference claiming that GINO was a great success, was a failure, and all the rest are interesting but again, they're just someone's opinion, and like the sock puppets, an overwhelming number of them are generated media hype. However, I recognize that this touches the underlying difference between many of the fans here. A number have expressed their desire to "fight for" or "defend" their version/interpretation against … well, I'm still not sure what the real threat or goal is. You cite a valid example, in that you might personally be slandered because of what you like or dislike. I can respect that concern, both for having been such a target myself and also for having watched you getting bashed around in the manner you describe. That's unfortunate and it should never have happened.

Conversely, I think your implied expectations are probably unrealistic. Many (if not most) on this site will never accept GINO as a valid Galactica show and you can count me among that group. I also find much of the material the producers and many fans were so proud of to be personally repugnant. Its one thing to gain attention by putting a lampshade on your head but quite another to want to be considered as anything other than a joke when the party is over. For good, ill, or indifference, GINO has run its course and everyone's interpretation will be what it will, with folks like you seeing primarily positives and folks like me seeing primarily negatives. I doubt much of that will ever change. However, only the most intolerant moron would claim that GINO isn't part of Galactica's history. History is an accounting of what has happened not the standard of what something represents and in that is an important difference in my view. The history of the United States includes governmental orders to exterminate entire races of Indians but genocide doesn't represent what America is all about (outside of Hollywood's view anyway). For some, the same comparison applies here. To expect people who haven't warmed up to GINO over the past six years to decide it should be a respected addition is foolish, just as its foolish to expect that the bashers of the original series will suddenly decide it has a remarkably higher quality because of a new film. If the new film is a smash, we'll read endless accounts of how Singer took the silly show from the 70s and turned it into gold. That's just how things are.

… which is why I caveated my suggestion with the clause that anyone acting like a moron should be slapped. Its not the preferences that's the issue but the way they're handled, … or perhaps its better to say the desire some have to change how another person thinks and feels. Its appropriate to say "I like this" and "I don't like this" and give the reasons why. It’s a completely different thing to then decide that the person you're conversing with needs to adopt your way of thinking. There's a political phrase attached to the Obama administration that says "First try the power of pursuasion and if that doesn't work, use the pursuasion of power". We've seen how well that works. I can't think of a single fan that was swayed into liking GINO because the studio said the old show was trash so you'd better embrace the new one.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself but you should know that I won't be attacking you because you like a series I dislike. It should be obvious whose side I'll be on if someone else engages in such conduct. My observation is that I'm not certain its still in everyone's best interest to keep all voices silent because the town idiot might be among them, especially when the current membership is pretty well swept clean of known idiots.

If there's any words of wisdom in my senseless rant than please embrace them. If not, ignore them as you please.

As always, know that you have and retain my deepest respect.

All my best,


Russell

Damocles
August 20th, 2009, 06:39 AM
OPINION:
......I am not going to address Battlestar Galactica in what I discuss here. What I am going to discuss is an individual's right to a valid opinion, and why that opinion should not be the basis for personal attacks.
......Some of you know that I dislike the work of the method-less actor-Patrick Stewart. I made no bones about that. I thought he was a prancing over-actor ever since I saw him chew scenery on I Claudius. I told you that he never read a character right or that whatever one note interpretation he brought to a role was so one dimensional, that he positively could have been replaced by a cardboard cutout.
......Have I offended any Patrick Stewart fans? Good. Why are you offended? Is it because you feel that you have been personally insulted in some way? Why? You did nothing; or will say nothing except that you disagree. You may even call my opinion, the opinion of a pinhead. That's okay. Its my opinion, which I can defend to the utmost; because it happens to have a lot of truth, that some of you secretly must admit, behind it. My feelings are not hurt, because I understand that some people like things that are different from what I like. Some of what they like, that I dislike, may even have some merit: example; "Gray 17 is Missing". Some people like that episode of Babylon Five. I want to burn the original print. Some people don't understand why I like Lost in Space. You'd have to be a connoisseur of Forbidden Planet, Irwin Allen, and Johann David Weiss to understand why I am nuts about the Robot.
......Do you begin to understand, how I approach analysis, both from others' viewpoints, and from mine? I don't let it get personal, as regards the other critic (unless the other stoops to personal attacks he makes; that has nothing to do with why Patrick Stewart is; or is not, a piece of costumed furniture that mis-dresses a set and makes occasional acting noises. Have you ever see him hit a mark on time......ever?)
.......Humor is at the core of what I write, as some of you who've read my reviews elsewhere, are aware. If I see an actor in an episode, literally flushed down a CGI toilet (Skin Of Evil), as a warning to the cast to shut their yaps about the poor quality of writing, and the garbage lines they were given to spew, I say so. I will even tell you how the hack writer, who botched the script (Stefano), missed an opportunity to really write a good story, about the stupid waste that some routine decisions that an incompetent leader makes, can engender. TOS was good at showing that in story. (Bread and Circuses). ST/TND preached at you and didn't do a very good job of it. But what it did do, through incompetent outings like that one cited, was draw a world picture of a society and a certain starship Captain that needed removing with extreme prejudice from TV.
.......Its opinion. There is nothing personal about it. As such, I read this thread and want to tell all parties, that its only opinion. Shake hands and let's get down to discussing what Singer can, and should not try to do, as he creates HIS version of the Alligator. It will be his version, if he pulls it off, just as JJ Adams has resurrected Trek with HIS version. We just have to work within those parameters, and watch carefully, to see if and when the Singer vision unfolds what it reveals. Note that the Trekkers, both old and new series fans, were satisfied that Berman Drek was flushed as it needed to be flushed, and that we have new life in the Enterprise(TM) (Hope they redesign that bird; man is it ugly!). If the Trekkers can put their intramural fights aside; then let's do the same here. We are not that far apart, in that we want to see the Alligator head out in a new story. Let's unite on that and see what the future holds.

D.

KJ
August 20th, 2009, 07:09 AM
DK how are ya, long time no see or chat!

Yeah that link you've put up i 100% agree.

One wonders why they're allowed to post up claptrap, if we were going that we'd have a whole set of injunctions and legal 'mumbo jumbo' against us all the time.

My question is, who did that art piece over there?

You know which one, is it new or some piece thats recently been found from previous revivals etc.

I've never seen it before.

KJ

jewels
August 20th, 2009, 07:24 AM
Battlestar Galactica De-Imagined

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=3019

Eric Chu wrote the article. His "facts" need a little perspective:
I don't have the Neilsens in front of me but I remember 1978-79 Battlestar's lowest point was around 23 million viewers. I think that was the one re-run episode, though I could be remembering the lowest first-run number. Cancellation was due more to cost and complexity of making a weekly show with space battles, than it ever was ratings. It simply wasn't a manageable production schedule. ST:TNG would come 8 yrs later and still have some limitations on how much effects there was time to accomplish per episode—hence lots of ship-bound stories/holodec episodes.

The RDM miniseries top night was 4.3 million if I'm remembering correctly, with "33" coming in around 3.9 or so nearly a year later. It hovered around 2 million viewers its last 2 half seasons, but I'm not sure Nielsen hadn't started combining the rebroadcasts or DVR views within 7 days into the numbers. In 1978-79 most people could only afford to watch a show when it aired, VCRs and Betas were rare.

I just have trouble with the "wildly popular" characterization 23 million trumps 2 (comparing low to low). Popularity with critics: RDM has them for the present. There just isn't any comparison to just how popular (general populace) the original was, or to its cultural impact. We wouldn't still be discussing "Battlestar Galactica" if those weren't true.

Singer and Larsen know they hold golden potential in their hands. Waiting to see what wonders will come of it. They've got a high standard to reach: production values of the original, the general audience success of J.J. Abrams Star Trek (XI). I hope they soar to that goal. If achieved, this won't stop at one movie. If achieved there will be a Battlestar that suits everyones' tastes: regardless of the variation an individual may like best.

Jewels

peter noble
August 20th, 2009, 07:51 AM
Eric Chu wrote the article.

He did the art as well. He's been going through various SF properties and doing "What would it look like now?" pieces. Looks like he's doing the Cylons next month.

The ones for UFO were pretty good too.

http://www.cinemaspy.com/article.php?id=2584

jewels
August 20th, 2009, 08:12 AM
I have no idea what the original UFO ships looked like, but those are very nice looking ships. His Cylon and viper illustration was also very good.

TwoBrainedCylon
August 20th, 2009, 08:13 AM
Eric is a truly great guy. I have dealt with him personally and give him very high praise. He was completely alienated by the anger from folks like us, especially since he only tried to do the best job he could while contracted for GINO. I don't think he's well-versed in the background and history, and he's likely tainted a bit because he was a big fan of GINO (at least as far as S2 is concerned), but at least up to the time I dealt with him, he was nothing but respectful to everyone.

Plus, he's got remarkable artistic talent.


Russell

jewels
August 20th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Russell,
You're right: Eric is incredibly talented as a designer. Right up there with the best in the business. I may be reading too many sour grapes into his article. I just have trouble with the "stats" that bloggers and entertainment newsites have been pushing. Eric's hit me in that regard.

There is still more general cultural memory in the population of the original show and that is a valid thing to return and revisit. Critics are rarely right about Sci-fi shows in general.

larocque6689
August 20th, 2009, 10:29 AM
Erik Chu may be wrong on a couple of points. First, just as Larson seems to have had little say in the DeSanto and Moore efforts, there's no guarantee that he'll have much of a say this time around either. What he did have was theatrical rights - he may have just lent or sold them to Universal for the purposes of this film, and simply collect a paycheque. Secondly, there's no guarantee that this is going to be a mythical continuation. Although the original Singer concept was close to a TNG-styled continuation (where most of the actors were dead, set many years in the future), and a lot of fans were interested in a "30 years plus" motif, Singer's template may wind up being something more along the lines of Superman Returns, which very well could have been retitled "Superman 2.5" because of its heavy borrowing and reliance on the best elements of the first two Superman films, although a nominal remake.

Anyway, I'm not sold that this will be what people expect it to be, nor even a guarantee that this will ever be "greenlit." But Singer's approach to other franchises gives me some level of confidence that it will be a good product.

CaptainTux
August 20th, 2009, 10:44 AM
Captain Tux :) :thumbsup:


Yeah we know each other from a few years going back. You had the lovable Linux Penguin as an 'Avatar' right? (no not the upcoming movie, the computer thingy?)

:D

Nice to see you kicking about on here! We'll talk soon in the future hopefully now that you're back.


Yep, that was me with the penguin. :). These days I have returned to the ministry, I go to missions trips to Haiti once a year, and I have started a youth outreach. It's good to be back. I stumbled across the news of the new movie a few days ago on google and the sheer excitement of the possibilities drew me to this thread. :D Cannot wait to see how the details pan out.

CaptainTux
August 20th, 2009, 10:56 AM
Captain Tux...I like you man. Your post put a bit ol' smile on my face. The hope and community of this place keeps me coming back. I've made some great friends here and I'm looking forward to adding you to that list.


Thanks, Monolith,

The feeling is mutual. Actually, I did not post here too often back in the day. Most of my time was spent at the Cylon Alliance forums. But there was a lot of crossover of people on both forums back then. The community aspect of BSG fandom has always been special to me. It brought me back to the days when I was in grade school and me and three friends would talk about last week's episode of BSG in school. To be an adult and share the experiences and memories and so forth on a deeper level is awesome.

No matter what becomes of this movie (I have high hopes again, though), it is good to see people sharing, dreaming, and talking about the possibilities with enthusiasm again. Heck, if the movie news develops into something positive, I think it would be a grand idea to have as many of the people here as possible meet in common theaters to share it together. I'd be willing to drive to different parts of the midwest to see the movie with some friends, take pictures, and post them here. It could be a fun night.

CaptainTux
August 20th, 2009, 11:00 AM
Captain Tux, lovely to see you my friend, once again docking with the Fleets!:)
I love what you say here, and I couldn't agree more. Indeed the heart of BSG continues within every one of us here that have formed a wonderful community and circle of friends of like-mindedness on a common ground and passion!
Ahhh the possibilities are infinite in the potential of new adventures and worlds, characters and thier lives of Battlestar!:salute:
And how is my favorite Serene Highness doing these days? :D:D:D

I agree with you, my dear friend. It's so wonderful that the movie has created an air of excitement, mystery, and wonder here among friends. It is fun to read the theories and the dreams.

CaptainTux
August 20th, 2009, 11:03 AM
So when this movie does premier how many of you can I expect to see at the Chinese theater in Hollywood?

I doubt I would trek to the West Coast to see this, but I like the idea of as many people as possible gathering at theaters in their regions. I know Jewels and JJ are close enough to me, I do not know who else is from the midwest here.

larocque6689
August 20th, 2009, 11:38 AM
I heard back from MrsRon (Terry Moore) and she answered a few queries of mine and gave me permission to quote her. The short of it is that Ron's run with BSG is over and he has passed the proverbial baton. Anyway, here goes...

Universal approached Ron many times about doing a movie, but as he has said in interviews, and will probably say now in many more interviews, he told the story he wanted to tell, it's done, and he has no more story to tell. Even his involvement in Caprica will be very limited, that's why he gave it to Jane E. He's currently working on three movies, and is in discussion about more TV shows, nothing BSG related. He has taken it as far as he wants to go.

She described the two notes Chris Pappas posted at ResinIluminati (reputedly from a source within Universal Studios) as "pretty accurate with what we are hearing."

I hope the nice folks over at CF don't get their hopes dashed again. There are some really good and decent people there, Gemini, Dawg, Martok. Hope does spring eternal, and Singer may be a big enough name to get it made. But Hollywood takes a long, long, long time to do anything. I hope they get their wishes filled, I know they have waited a very long time. They deserve it. If it happens, it may be years before it makes it to the big screen. There isn't a writer attached yet. But you never know. They could put it into fast development. Studios are places of deep mystery.

jeditemple
August 20th, 2009, 11:48 AM
Hello gang, it's been a while since I've been around, but nice to check back again and see old friends. I'm very excited about the news we've been hearing about a theatrical BSG movie, so it's gets me all nostalgic. If it pans out and we get to see it on the big screen, then we are living in some exciting times indeed. I think it's the best of both worlds, because the SyFy Galactica fans got their show with an ending and now we may get to see our own vision come to light. Who would have thought this could happen? :)

TwoBrainedCylon
August 20th, 2009, 02:21 PM
Universal approached Ron many times about doing a movie, but as he has said in interviews, and will probably say now in many more interviews, he told the story he wanted to tell, it's done, and he has no more story to tell. Even his involvement in Caprica will be very limited, that's why he gave it to Jane E. He's currently working on three movies, and is in discussion about more TV shows, nothing BSG related. He has taken it as far as he wants to go.

This makes me happier than most anything I've read in a while.

As for the rest, this film may well not be what people expect but its the first time since 2002 that I've felt that something new that I can call Battlestar Galactica will potentially be available to enjoy.

In fact, its the first time since then that something with Cylons will be on screen that I can watch for reasons other than evaluating a train-wreck in action.

The Devil is truly in the details but I can honestly say that since 2002, this is the first time I've felt glad someone was using the Galactica copyright or indeed that what is being produced can be considered anything other than a huge negative to the franchise.

I'm happy for this news for that reason if for no other.


Russell

martok2112
August 20th, 2009, 02:35 PM
Steve (and all but mostly Steve),

I'll confess I'm at a disadvantage to really understand some of your concerns. I've always thought those worried about the phrase GINO were childish and a bit emotionally flawed. Similarly, I've never grasped why some here take such offense to someone calling the original series "Cheesy". My likes and dislikes are based on ME and nobody else. I have a hard time relating to anyone who is worried about whether what they like is popular or not. This is skewed somewhat when it comes to ratings and films because the likes and dislikes of others impact whether or not I get to see more of what I like, but beyond that, who really cares?

That aspect of the fan wars has always been a mystery to me.

The articles that people reference claiming that GINO was a great success, was a failure, and all the rest are interesting but again, they're just someone's opinion, and like the sock puppets, an overwhelming number of them are generated media hype. However, I recognize that this touches the underlying difference between many of the fans here. A number have expressed their desire to "fight for" or "defend" their version/interpretation against … well, I'm still not sure what the real threat or goal is. You cite a valid example, in that you might personally be slandered because of what you like or dislike. I can respect that concern, both for having been such a target myself and also for having watched you getting bashed around in the manner you describe. That's unfortunate and it should never have happened.

Conversely, I think your implied expectations are probably unrealistic. Many (if not most) on this site will never accept GINO as a valid Galactica show and you can count me among that group. I also find much of the material the producers and many fans were so proud of to be personally repugnant. Its one thing to gain attention by putting a lampshade on your head but quite another to want to be considered as anything other than a joke when the party is over. For good, ill, or indifference, GINO has run its course and everyone's interpretation will be what it will, with folks like you seeing primarily positives and folks like me seeing primarily negatives. I doubt much of that will ever change. However, only the most intolerant moron would claim that GINO isn't part of Galactica's history. History is an accounting of what has happened not the standard of what something represents and in that is an important difference in my view. The history of the United States includes governmental orders to exterminate entire races of Indians but genocide doesn't represent what America is all about (outside of Hollywood's view anyway). For some, the same comparison applies here. To expect people who haven't warmed up to GINO over the past six years to decide it should be a respected addition is foolish, just as its foolish to expect that the bashers of the original series will suddenly decide it has a remarkably higher quality because of a new film. If the new film is a smash, we'll read endless accounts of how Singer took the silly show from the 70s and turned it into gold. That's just how things are.

… which is why I caveated my suggestion with the clause that anyone acting like a moron should be slapped. Its not the preferences that's the issue but the way they're handled, … or perhaps its better to say the desire some have to change how another person thinks and feels. Its appropriate to say "I like this" and "I don't like this" and give the reasons why. It’s a completely different thing to then decide that the person you're conversing with needs to adopt your way of thinking. There's a political phrase attached to the Obama administration that says "First try the power of pursuasion and if that doesn't work, use the pursuasion of power". We've seen how well that works. I can't think of a single fan that was swayed into liking GINO because the studio said the old show was trash so you'd better embrace the new one.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself but you should know that I won't be attacking you because you like a series I dislike. It should be obvious whose side I'll be on if someone else engages in such conduct. My observation is that I'm not certain its still in everyone's best interest to keep all voices silent because the town idiot might be among them, especially when the current membership is pretty well swept clean of known idiots.

If there's any words of wisdom in my senseless rant than please embrace them. If not, ignore them as you please.

As always, know that you have and retain my deepest respect.

All my best,


Russell

Many thanks, my good friend...and again, you make great sense and wisdom in what you say.

I should've remained much more passive, and not so quick to sound the alert when things sounded a little "not to the rules."

Granted, the announcement of a (potential) new original series based movie has got hopes running high for many who have waited some 30 yahrens. I am far more guarded against such high hopes, but I am glad for those who do have a restored sense of that hope. I pray it does not get dashed again.

I think my only concern regarding a Singer/DeSanto project of Battlestar Galactica is (at least, the way I listen to DeSanto, whom I do have a lot of respect for) that such a movie would come off rather "fanboyish". I can't quite put a finger on why my "Spidey Sense" is tingling....maybe it's just me. There were a lot of folks who didn't quite care for Superman Returns (although I personally enjoyed the flick, and thought it was a nice tribute to the first two Superman movies)...and maybe, for some of them, it was that "fanboy alert" going off.

Thanks again for the wise redirects, Russell. You are a good friend. :)

Respectfully,
Steve :salute:

TwoBrainedCylon
August 20th, 2009, 02:46 PM
Steve,

Hmmmm. Too fanboyish.

Guess that depends on why you want to see Galactica. I didn't see Superman Returns so I can't judge from that. I didn't much care for Transformers but mostly because the original concept never interested me.

We likely differ in that I'm not looking for Galactica to enlighten me in any way or try to make me think about my contemporary world. I don't want Cylons to remind me of the ills of our society or have my beliefs challenged. I've had REAL terrorists do that well enough without the Hollywood Sci-Fi versions trying to broaden my view.

A good top-quality CGI viper/raider battle and the Imperious Leader ordering the destruction of all mankind just because is good enough for me.

I'd like a compelling story along the way but of all the concerns I have, worrying that it would be too close to what the core fans want isn't one of them.

For illustration, last night we watched the Get Smart movie. It was a variation of what I was expecting but it was respectable and, when Max jumped in the red car and sped away with the classic music playing, I said "Now, that's Get Smart!!!" ... and it was.

With the Trek remake, when Scotty shouted "I'm giving her all she's got captain!", I again knew I was watching something that was, at its core, what it was supposed to be.

If Singer's film can capture even a portion of that aspect, then he will have pleased at least one fan.


Russell

Aphrodite
August 20th, 2009, 02:56 PM
Careful, Aphrodite. I think you might be experiencing Cart Before Horse Syndrome. According to Dr. Noble, we shouldn't get excited over anything but the facts, and there are no facts to support BG in IMAX.

The IMAX suggestion was Monolith's suggestion, and I was responding to it. I was saying if it does happen, that it would be cool. I think you read way too much into my enthusiasm for this new project.

martok2112
August 20th, 2009, 03:21 PM
Have yet to see the new "Get Smart" movie, but am seriously interested. (Not to mention, I think Anne Hathaway's just a cutie!) :)

Also, loved the new Star Trek. Saw it five times in theater, twice on IMAX.

Believe me, Russell, one of the things I want to see (regardless of which iteration of Galactica gets represented) are big budget space and ground battles. That was something I had in mind with my stories, but with substantial story to tell, as well as just the big budget bells and whistles. My newest fanfiction (my own retelling of the attack and exodus) has that same effect in mind. But, I'm sure there are those who would think my stories were as fanboyish as I'd fear a Singer/DeSanto effort might be....so I'm certainly not passing judgments. LOL! :)

Reaper
August 20th, 2009, 04:14 PM
Get Smart is worth watching, I enjoyed it and laughed alot. I think the casting and situations fit the subject perfectly! And YES, Anne Hathaway is HOT!

I'm torn on my feelings of a Redo of the original series. It will be disappointing to not get the continuation I've bneen dreaming of since the end of Hand of God. There was so much more to tell! and honestly, I believe there still is so much more left in the story!

But it does have to be approached with somewhat of a fanboy mentality. I don't think anyone but a fan will know how to let 25 to 30 years (in story time) pass and pick up where known characters should be.

IF they Redo the story, then we are all going to have to compair not only the cast to the original (somethin we watched one way or another with the new Star Trek) and How the story is handled in and of itself.

I have mixe feelings on the Trek Movie. I hate the redesign of the ship (inside and out) but I think the cast did a good job. They hit the characters as I would see them.

I guess I'm just an old stubborn SciFi Geek who wants to see the original actors in their original roles and Laugh like I was 7 again! (while dressed up in costume at the theater opening night!)

monolith21
August 20th, 2009, 10:32 PM
I'm with you on the costume man! This is going to be a great time to be a Battlestar fan!

I feel like I need to follow that with a "if all goes well" or something but I'm not gonna! lol

TwoBrainedCylon
August 21st, 2009, 03:25 AM
Steve,

In truth, I'm glossing over my concern for story. As many here know, I'm a hound as far as stories go and if they do something that's too far off, I'll be among the first to say "That isn't Battlestar Galactica either". A better explaination for me is that I put some faith that if Singer is involved, DeSanto isn't far behind and that means someone who loves the foundations of Galactica will be pushing the project. I find that hopeful.

If DeSanto isn't part of this, I'll be a bit less hopeful but as always, I'll be willing to give it a chance. I didn't care for GINO but I really liked the Caprica pilot so I've proven to myself that change isn't what I fear. Trek is a good example. The remake was wildly different and I had some issues with a few parts but it was handled well overall and it was good to see some core elements of the old series woven into the film.

I'm with Jewels in that I do hope they maintain the old ship designs. I can see 100 films with new, cool fighters but I'd treasure seeing the classic ships with Lucasfilm-style VFX.


Russell

JLHurley
August 21st, 2009, 04:33 AM
The IMAX suggestion was Monolith's suggestion, and I was responding to it. I was saying if it does happen, that it would be cool. I think you read way too much into my enthusiasm for this new project.

I was only joking, Aphrodite. Earlier in the thread I saluted Colonial Fleets for being there for us for much of this long journey towards classic BG's return and someone responded that I was putting my cart in front of my horse because this latest development might go nowhere.

I think most of us know that the road actually ends when we're sitting down in front of a BG that we find true to the original--or entertaining, anyway. In the meantime, I say dream on! It's what we've been doing for decades so why stop now?

Kronus
August 21st, 2009, 06:51 AM
But it does have to be approached with somewhat of a fanboy mentality. I don't think anyone but a fan will know how to let 25 to 30 years (in story time) pass and pick up where known characters should be.
Reaper, you got my wheels a turning. Why not a continuation?
*Note: I'm sure others have brought this up but I am staying within my line of thinking*

Say the original cast is brought back and they continue the story 30 years after Hand of God and throw in some filler at the beginning and then take off from there. Now we have Apollo/Starbuck/Boomer/Tigh and others 30 years older still looking for Earth. Hey it worked for Lucas in Star Wars...the episodes where done with years in-between.

Man can you see the huge boost in book sales from those talented writers to help fill in this gap in more detail for us true blue fans? Or even an antimated series to tell the stories of those 30 years we had missed. HUGE money maker by going this route.

I guess I'm just an old stubborn SciFi Geek who wants to see the original actors in their original roles and Laugh like I was 7 again! (while dressed up in costume at the theater opening night!)

Dude, I was 9 at that time and I WILL have my warrior uniform on! I may even have a full blown Cylon outfit by then and have a friend of mine come so we can have some target practice! :LOL: :D :salute:

Damocles
August 21st, 2009, 11:01 AM
.......Fanboy?
.......I don't like the term "fanboy". It implies extremely negative connotations. I am definitely not a fanboy, and neither are the rest of us here. Do you consider yourself a fanboy when you can talk Fritz Lang's Metropolis or Robert Wise's The Day the Earth Stood Still and then talk about the Alligator? I don't think so. There is a difference between talking about a story point or plothole; or how a shot was framed and blocked, or about the moral implications of an episode's story point, and knowing that they changed the glue on Nimoy, because it gave him an ear rash.........

Gemini1999
August 21st, 2009, 11:08 AM
.......Fanboy?
.......I don't like the term "fanboy". It implies extremely negative connotations. I am definitely not a fanboy, and neither are the rest of us here. Do you consider yourself a fanboy when you can talk Fritz Lang's Metropolis or Robert Wise's The Day the Earth Stood Still and then talk about the Alligator? I don't think so. There is a difference between talking about a story point or plothole; or how a shot was framed and blocked, or about the moral implications of an episode's story point, and knowing that they changed the glue on Nimoy, because it gave him an ear rash.........


Damocles -

The fanboy term wasn't even aimed at you directly as Russell was talking to Steve. Just leave that bit alone instead of nitpicking the conversation to death. The topic is about a BSG film - keep the discussion on topic, or find another thread to post in. The next time, the post will be deleted if it's off topic.

Sincerely,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

Damocles
August 21st, 2009, 11:13 AM
Damocles -

The fanboy term wasn't even aimed at you directly as Russell was talking to Steve. Just leave that bit alone instead of nitpicking the conversation to death. The topic is about a BSG film - keep the discussion on topic, or find another thread to post in. The next time, the post will be deleted if it's off topic.

Sincerely,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

I find the term applied to anyone in this community offensive, and was specific in why I thought it was an offensive term. It doesn't have to be aimed at me to be an offensive term to me.

D.

BST
August 21st, 2009, 12:32 PM
I would hope that we all are a bit thicker-skinned than that.


There are a number of things in this world that I find more offensive than the term "fanboyish", one of which is the "humanitarian" release of the terrorist who planted the bomb on Pan Am 103 which blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland in Dec, 1988 killing all 259 people on the plane and 11 on the ground.

:no:

ernie90125
August 21st, 2009, 01:13 PM
I would hope that we all are a bit thicker-skinned than that.


There are a number of things in this world that I find more offensive than the term "fanboyish", one of which is the "humanitarian" release of the terrorist who planted the bomb on Pan Am 103 which blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland in Dec, 1988 killing all 259 people on the plane and 11 on the ground.

:no:

Hmmm....will Gemini1999 mod you for this ? I wait with baited breath !

And to return to the original topic.....is there anything fans can do at this early stage to influence the direction this new Battlestar venture might take ?

Dawg
August 21st, 2009, 01:38 PM
I am not in the mood for this - I became a statistic today and I'm not at all happy. So please pay attention.

Obviously, Damocles has a far more intense reaction to the word than many of us, and as a result he missed the full reason why it was being used - and his post reflected a little more heat than it should have. I understand the objection - we have all been insulted repeatedly by that term over the last few years.

But I also understand the context it was used in was not intended as an insult, more as an illustration that a good BSG movie must be approached with a certain reverence for the original story, mythos - the whole package. A "more fanboy mentality" would bring that reverence.

Context is everything.

Emotions are running pretty high right now - an initial rush of adrenaline, fed as much by what we don't know as what we do know. Over the next year, we will get more adrenaline spikes as news is released - or not. We are all in this together, this time, and we all want the same thing - a big-budget, blockbuster movie based on the classic BSG universe.

Let's not let the use of one word in an excited, positive post come between us. Think when you post, and when you read. Be happy, be excited, but think.

You do not want me to do your thinking for you. Not today.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Gemini1999
August 21st, 2009, 01:46 PM
Hmmm....will Gemini1999 mod you for this ? I wait with baited breath !

And to return to the original topic.....is there anything fans can do at this early stage to influence the direction this new Battlestar venture might take ?

Ernie -

Just so you don't hold your breath too long (and it's baded breath, not baited), no I'm not. Pete is an Admin of this forum and he'd given me a head up regarding his post. Please go back to the discussion at hand.

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

TwoBrainedCylon
August 21st, 2009, 01:49 PM
As the "fanboy" in question (by inference), I have absolutely no problem with it at all. Regarding Galactica, I'd call myself a "Purist" but "fanboy" is good enough for me. The meaning is clear enough. Personally, I'd say worrying about a term like "Fanboy" is akin to worrying about someone calling the old series "Cheesy" or me using the term "GINO". If that's really your main complaint in life then brothers and sisters, things are going well for you.

Plus, Steve has a valid concern. I don't share it but I can easily see how this film could shift that way without much nudging.

... and FWIW, "Fanboy" is definitely not the worst thing I've been called on these boards.

As a side, I throught Lee's article was fairly good considering his demonstrated lust for stirring up the sewer water. It showed more class and style than I frankly thought he had in him, ... although I would have loved to have engaged in the physical challenge so he could have seen if I really was the overweight geek living in my mom's basement who was incapable of running 1/4 mile without an ambulance present.


Russell

CaptainTux
August 21st, 2009, 02:26 PM
Hmmm....will Gemini1999 mod you for this ? I wait with baited breath !

And to return to the original topic.....is there anything fans can do at this early stage to influence the direction this new Battlestar venture might take ?
Some may disagree with me, but here goes (with a deep and cautious breath).

The short answer IMHO is we have limited influence. Universal, like any motion picture company, wants to make money off the movie. They want to make more than they spend. There are a lot of factors that go into their formulas. Recent success and failures in the box office are a part of that consideration.

Star Trek is likely one they are looking at. It cost 150 million to make and it made $382 million worldwide. This does not include future DVD sales and other merchandising.

They also have chosen a director who has a pretty good success rate at making movies in the genre that sell well.

As far as the story? There is no script or even writer at this time that we know of. What creative direction will this take? Whichever one Universal can be convinced will make them money on the project.

I do not know how much a difference a letter from a fan makes, or 100 letters, or a thousand letters. But, some form of feedback from perspective audience members may be helpful. But beyond letters, they need to know there is base of people who will see the film. I am sure an online presence helps as well. Are we buying merchandise, DVD's, making fan fiction, art, etc? Are we, in fact, a demographic that will make them money?

I do not know what it takes to be considered a target audience for a production. I am open to feedback and ideas from people who know more about the inner working of the industry, because if there is anything fans could do to let them know we exist and will see it (if done in the spirit of the original), I am willing to take reasonable steps. :D I am all about consumer choice and I am a consumer.

jewels
August 21st, 2009, 03:28 PM
Ernie -

Just so you don't hold your breath too long (and it's baded breath, not baited), no I'm not. Pete is an Admin of this forum and he'd given me a head up regarding his post. Please go back to the discussion at hand.

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets ModeratorGeeze I've been spelling baded wrong all these years. Did not know that!

<---- My typos are free. ;)

BTW: I started 2 threads for fantasizing while we wait for real news: one cast and one for story. Please go have fun with them.

Dawg
August 21st, 2009, 03:48 PM
I think it's spelled "bated", with a T, not a D. My spellcheck seems to agree....

The "baited" misspelling is actually because of the similarity in sound, and the mental picture it presents - the cat eats some cheese and so "baits" its breath at the mouse hole.

But the verb to bate is unused now - the original phrase "bated breath" means with breathing slowed and shallowed to almost nothing, "...to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe."

Experts think that "baited" will eventually become the common usage. More's the pity.

Now - what were we talking about?

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

AlternityOrange
August 21st, 2009, 03:55 PM
Now - what were we talking about?

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Something about bad breath? I lose track...

Gemini1999
August 21st, 2009, 04:06 PM
I think it's spelled "bated", with a T, not a D. My spellcheck seems to agree....

The "baited" misspelling is actually because of the similarity in sound, and the mental picture it presents - the cat eats some cheese and so "baits" its breath at the mouse hole.

But the verb to bate is unused now - the original phrase "bated breath" means with breathing slowed and shallowed to almost nothing, "...to a state in which you almost stop breathing as a result of some strong emotion, such as terror or awe."

Experts think that "baited" will eventually become the common usage. More's the pity.

John -

Thanks for the correction, I just knew that the "baited" was incorrect in spelling and usage. I'll just chalk it up to being an old fart (me) on the spelling. I never knew the definition behind the word - thanks for the background on that. You learn something new every day.

I hope you're holding up well today....:salute:

Bryan

Dawg
August 21st, 2009, 04:13 PM
I've had better days, that's for sure, Bryan. Today was a particularly painful end to a bad week.

But I know there's a silver lining and I think I'm still standing - I'm starting to feel mean, so I think I'm over the worst of it.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

martok2112
August 21st, 2009, 07:25 PM
.......Fanboy?
.......I don't like the term "fanboy". It implies extremely negative connotations. I am definitely not a fanboy, and neither are the rest of us here. Do you consider yourself a fanboy when you can talk Fritz Lang's Metropolis or Robert Wise's The Day the Earth Stood Still and then talk about the Alligator? I don't think so. There is a difference between talking about a story point or plothole; or how a shot was framed and blocked, or about the moral implications of an episode's story point, and knowing that they changed the glue on Nimoy, because it gave him an ear rash.........

I do you the courtesy of explaining my context to you.

I certainly did not direct it at you, Damocles, and I'm sorry if you took my meaning to be so, or to be mean-spirited in general.

When I used the term "fanboyish", it was to denote that I was concerned that certain elements of a potential new (TOS based) Galactica movie could be "fanboyish" with Singer and DeSanto's involvement.

That said, ANYONE can fall into that trap. "Oh, wow, wouldn't it be neat if the Galactica did THIS? Wouldn't it be neat if Vipers had THIS capability that we've never seen before?"

I'm sure you remember Star Trek Nemesis, or at least know of it. John Logan (much as I enjoyed his writing for Gladiator) really kinda "fanboy'd" the movie.

Hell, even I could be accused of fanboyish tendencies with my Galactica continuation stories, and with my own retelling of the holocaust/exodus. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did indeed say: "Hmmm...(such and such) part seems a little fanboyish."



In truth, we've all got a little fanboy in us. We love science fiction, space fantasy, fantasy, anime....hell...even sports fans could be considered fanboys, as all-out as they sometimes get. By this logic, I really should not be overly concerned about "fanboyish" tendencies.

Not everything has to have deep, universal meaning. Somethings are just done, and written because it's meant to invoke good feelings. To that end, I'd enjoy a Battlestar Galactica movie as much as anyone else.

Let's put it like this:

I can't remember who had this notion or idea when they were talking about continuing the original series, but I'd consider "walking Vipers" to be extremely fanboyish.

Watching a Viper do maneuvers in zero-g that are impossible to do in atmosphere...that's not fanboyish.

To have a Viper sprout leg like appendages, and start walking....yeah...to me, that's fanboyish.

As for taking offense to certain terms, acronyms, what not....I certainly take no offense to the term GINO (because I have my own definition of the acronym, contrary to its acrimonial intent...and that's what I see when I see the term GINO used, regardless of who's using it).

Chilax, dude.

Steve

oldwardaggit
August 21st, 2009, 08:31 PM
So If they do recast and start over yet again ( which I'm personally not to crazy about )
I guess the biggest question would be who would play Starbuck. Even if it did end up being 100 years into the future or so and they did it in a flashback style, I wonder who could play that part so that they are constantly chasing and cheating on women but still be likeable to the point where no one can stay mad at him. lol

and Act like he is out to save his own skin first but when the going gets rough, he's the hero at the end of the day.

I think Jason Thompson would make a good Apollo in flash back scenes if that's the way they go.

OWD

Darrell Lawrence
August 21st, 2009, 08:31 PM
Walking Vipers was the idea of the CREATOR of Galactica. The creator of a show would be the ultimate fanboy of it I guess.... or he wouldn't have created it in the first place.

martok2112
August 21st, 2009, 08:34 PM
So If they do recast and start over yet again ( which I'm personally not to crazy about )
I guess the biggest question would be who would play Starbuck. Even if it did end up being 100 years into the future or so and they did it in a flashback style, I wonder who could play that part so that they are constantly chasing and cheating on women but still be likeable to the point where no one can stay mad at him. lol

and Act like he is out to save his own skin first but when the going gets rough, he's the hero at the end of the day.

I think Jason Thompson would make a good Apollo in flash back scenes if that's the way they go.

OWD

Nathan Fillion would be a great choice, in my humble opinion. :)


Walking Vipers was the idea of the CREATOR of Galactica. The creator of a show would be the ultimate fanboy of it I guess.... or he wouldn't have created it in the first place.
Too true, my friend. :):salute:

monolith21
August 21st, 2009, 08:40 PM
Starbuck or not...Nathan Fillion would be a great actor for this film! If we all get our wish and Starbuck is played by Dirk, it would be cool to see a similar character running around charming the ladies.

Darrell Lawrence
August 21st, 2009, 08:45 PM
If recast, Cary Elwes is the best choice for Starbuck.

monolith21
August 21st, 2009, 10:30 PM
I've never really thought of him playing a part like that...but he's definitely a fantastic actor!

Man I hope they use Dirk and do a continuation.

CBSG4ever
August 22nd, 2009, 12:51 AM
Personally, I think Josh Holloway (Sawyer in the TV series "Lost") would be an excellent choice for a recast Starbuck. Just my humble opinion. :salute:

Damocles
August 22nd, 2009, 01:19 AM
I do you the courtesy of explaining my context to you.

I certainly did not direct it at you, Damocles, and I'm sorry if you took my meaning to be so, or to be mean-spirited in general.

.........Never took it that way. I said this:

I don't like the term "fanboy". It implies extremely negative connotations. I am definitely not a fanboy, and neither are the rest of us here.

Which means I discussed the class set.

When I used the term "fanboyish", it was to denote that I was concerned that certain elements of a potential new (TOS based) Galactica movie could be "fanboyish" with Singer and DeSanto's involvement.

Fantastical misconception in a false imitation of the original concept to the point of the ridiculous is something I understand all too well. The dune-buggy sequence from Star Trek X was one of such a construct. I would call that ridiculous, and an example of very bad writing, story telling, and film-making on so many levels, with the singular cutting observation of an image of "tail gunner" Worf, as the icing of the critique, but I wouldn't call it "fanboy". I would be more direct to the point; it would be stupid to me, just as the concept of walking tanks in Star Wars, or walking Vipers in CBSG would be.

That said, ANYONE can fall into that trap. "Oh, wow, wouldn't it be neat if the Galactica did THIS? Wouldn't it be neat if Vipers had THIS capability that we've never seen before?"

There is a way to do that. Have you seen the Babylon 5 Lost Tales? One of the peripheral minor plot issues left over from the movie "A Call to Arms", was whether Warlocks used a particle weapon similar to the type of weapon that the Earth's defense grid used in "Endgame". I wondered how Stracyinski could write one thing in, and the CGI guys missed it completely when they CGIed the battle with the SPK in that movie.

Well......
jr-EiUSUnhw

You lay the story groundwork, then you can expand the envelop and back-fill a missed plot-point. There are no walking Vipers possible; since we see no means to incorporate such into a "real" BSG story up to this point. On the other hand in B5 The Lost Tales we see Warlocks fire particle beams that can slice a Vorchan in two, as well as possibly lay waste to the East Coast of the US in a single rake, and thereby prove conclusively that Warlocks can and did shoot their way into a Shadow Planet Killer, and thereby cover the Victory and the Excalibur, as they destroyed the SPK's control center. Its a plot point and story point that needed fill-back.

I'm sure you remember Star Trek Nemesis, or at least know of it. John Logan (much as I enjoyed his writing for Gladiator) really kinda "fanboy'd" the movie.

I disliked Gladiator for much the same reason that I disliked Nemesis. "Gee wouldn't it be awesome if the Romans did this!" Crap "Roman battle tactics", that never existed, offends me as much as that crap dune buggy chase did. The Romans never used massed call fires and pyro in battle like that, first; because they didn't know how, and second; because it was not their warfare "style". There is a style to the way that the real people, about whom you tell story, did things, just as there is, too, in any fictional universe. Offend either one "reality" sensibly, and you produce crap, either as story, or as a recreation of the same "reality".

Hell, even I could be accused of fanboyish tendencies with my Galactica continuation stories, and with my own retelling of the holocaust/exodus. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did indeed say: "Hmmm...(such and such) part seems a little fanboyish."

In what way? Did you make the characters change their operating moral parameters out of recognition; or did you create a fantastic stretch of the ridiculous? Did you introduce something in plot or story so outre' that someone who reads it would say; "What a piece of cowflop?" That isn't what you think it is. That is not fanboyism. That is just bad writing; which incidentally you do not do. I've read some of it, and it holds together, even if it is not what I would write (I write a little more hard science, and less emotion than you use with character and story.)

In truth, we've all got a little fanboy in us. We love science fiction, space fantasy, fantasy, anime....hell...even sports fans could be considered fanboys, as all-out as they sometimes get. By this logic, I really should not be overly concerned about "fanboyish" tendencies.

The term is fan. The fella who dyes himself purple:
http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/11/10/20081110_fan_vikings_33.jpg

is sublimating his two million years of aggression and hunting impulse into a constructive social activity. He cheers for the team and worries about the ineffective quarterback and the inept receiver corps, because he wants to share in the team's success. He identifies with his "champions" and "side". It was the same when Joe Achaean cheered on Achilles when Achilles chased Hector around Troy a few times. (Only then it was fundamentally more important; since if the "star quarterback" didn't perform as expected, then "Hector" was going to mow down Joe Achaean and a few thousand like him. Ever lose a bet in a football pool?) These are the real reasons, not well understood, why Shatner was not the guy to tell his "fans" to get a life. It wasn't his place. That is why we have the psychiatrists, to help the maladjusted separate fantasy from reality. Shatner was supposed to shut up, sign autographs, and accept the adulation as the "quarterback".

But to the point of Battlestar Galactica. I don't see that "pejorative word" as being applicable to full grown adults as they discuss-especially those who worked seriously in the entertainment industry, or who worked in related fields, or who bring serious skills to the debate; who either supported, or attacked the Alligator, as a show concept, in whatever form, in whichever group, they championed it. What they invested was their professionalism, or those parts of it, or of their life experience, that they used to form their opinions on topic. Remember that word? OPINION?

Not everything has to have deep, universal meaning. Somethings are just done, and written because it's meant to invoke good feelings. To that end, I'd enjoy a Battlestar Galactica movie as much as anyone else.

Not to the people who put millions of dollars into a project, and not to the target audience. That target audience has a justified say in the success or failure of a feature film or TV series. That is why the smart studios, back in the day, did test showings of a film, that their auditors knew was in trouble, and market surveyed an audience to see what was wrong with the product. If it wasn't too bad, they fired the director, and shoved the inept writer off onto another 'project', brought in a second director who knew how to film retakes quick and cheap, and hauled in a "script surgeon" to fix the story. This happened so often, that it was considered "normal" practice before the days of the "auteur" and his "art". It was also actually what the TV censors and S&P were supposed to do in the days of network television-not protect moral standards, as much as ensure "network product marketability". These guys were not in it for "fun". It was about MONEY.

In summary, this subject is about a business relation between the audience (us) and Universal et al, who want to sell us another Galactica product and it should be treated as such. We have a track history, we do together, and its not been a very good one, or very pretty recently. To that end, the way "they" treated the "audience" (fans-i.e US) is very much tied up with the term "fanboy", as that was how they actually saw us.

Let's put it like this:

I can't remember who had this notion or idea when they were talking about continuing the original series, but I'd consider "walking Vipers" to be extremely fanboyish.

I'd consider that to be somewhat less stupid than some of the stuff that was done to the Alligator, recently.

Watching a Viper do maneuvers in zero-g that are impossible to do in atmosphere...that's not fanboyish.

That is physics and you have to write it in, or the science cretins (directors and producers) will not listen to the CGI artists or to the writers.

To have a Viper sprout leg like appendages, and start walking....yeah...to me, that's fanboyish.

Its ridiculous, but it is not what you think it is (fanboyism). Its just stupid writing for an unnecessary and expensive visual effect. If it doesn't advance story or add a plot point, like showing what a weapon will do unless you shut it down (Ice Planet Zero or Endgame), why do it?

As for taking offense to certain terms, acronyms, what not....I certainly take no offense to the term GINO (because I have my own definition of the acronym, contrary to its acrimonial intent...and that's what I see when I see the term GINO used, regardless of who's using it).

Chilax, dude.

I know what I mean by STINO (otherwise known as Berman Drek). I use it to describe a certain vision of a concept, that was not the original concept in any way shape or form. If I were to use the term Berman Drek, then it would be to correctly label a body of 350+ hours of bad writing, lousy filming, blatant idea plagiarism, formulaic one dimensional acting, and general treatment of the audience as if they were all idiots. The arrogant men who concocted STINO were in it for just the quick money and not for the love of product they produced..

One of those men was Ronald D. Moore.

I will therefore chillax, when I see fair treatment of the BSG fans to each other, by each other, not manipulated into camps by some well meaning but not understanding supporters from either side, and not result in what it was in The Franchise for ten years. I will chilax when Universal finally delivers a good product to its target audience as it promised almost a decade ago. It took Paramount almost two decades to get rid of Berman to reboot The Franchise. Universal has its next chance now to get it right, and I wish them well for it, because I want a product that the audience (ALL BSG fans) can unite behind.

So whatever you may think of how I "feel" about "fanboy", understand that "feel" has nothing to do with how I regard the term. The term offends me because it is the attitude that some people who peddle crap product in Hollywood take about their audience (US). They think that the audience is composed of people who will line up and watch or pay for any of the crap they dish out.

A_bNDv0-ZrU

That isn't Michael Rennie. That is

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/polopoly_fs/1.85859!image/4191765257.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/4191765257.jpg

Keanu Reeves.

Understand?

Damocles
August 22nd, 2009, 01:22 AM
If recast, Cary Elwes is the best choice for Starbuck.

That would be a good choice. He was the best thing in "The Princess Bride" next to Andre' the Giant.

michaelfaries
August 22nd, 2009, 01:50 AM
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007556.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Posted: Thurs., Aug. 20, 2009, 7:17pm PT
Warner Bros. has closed a deal to remake the 1981 John Boorman-directed "Excalibur," with Bryan Singer producing and developing the picture as a potential directing vehicle.

I'm shaking my head here... This is like the "Logan's Run" announcement of years ago (among others). Is Singer committed to the projects he signs for, or managing to walk away, pocketing his fees and whistling Dixie all the way to the bank?

I'm still wondering what Singer's daily involvement in "House" is. Maybe the production team is far enough into their schedule that he's free to look at other projects, line up the next big BIG thing for himself...

Michael
:colonial:

oldwardaggit
August 22nd, 2009, 04:55 AM
I agree with this. Don't know if I can see him walking around with a constant smile and twinkle in his eye the way Dirk did but he definitely has the bad boy presence to carry the part off.

Once upon a time I use to think it was either a continuation with as much of the original cast as possible or nothing but now I'm a little more open minded. I would still love to see that happen first but a prequel, side story, something set far off into the future or anything that lets the original exist would be cool.

I'll still go see the movie if it does as much as stay true to the original but I won't go into the theater totally convinced that I should really be there in the first place. :(

OWD
Personally, I think Josh Halloway (Sawyer in the TV series "Lost") would be an excellent choice for a recast Starbuck. Just my humble opinion. :salute:

martok2112
August 22nd, 2009, 05:09 AM
Damocles,

Thank you for your point by point response. I can see where you're coming from, and can understand your P.O.V.

Also, thanks for the YouTube of Babylon 5 The Lost Tales. That is a show I have (up until now) only seen a few episodes of, but of late, have been collecting the DVD season sets. I have just finished Season Three, and am anxious to move on to S4 and S5 (although I've heard the stories get a little inconsistent, especially around S5...but I think that was due to the suits misleading just when they were going to end the show, thus forcing Joe Strascynzki's hand in the writing.)

I've only seen a couple of the movies (In the Beginning and The Gathering), but plan to see the others, and whatever other miniseries, expansions that has been done for B5.

Respectfully,
Steve :salute:

oldwardaggit
August 22nd, 2009, 05:26 AM
OK , on to business.
I would like to thank every one who has emailed me with their support and all those who took part in the letter writing campaign to Universal.

I am now happy to announce that it paid off.
I sat down with Universal yesterday and hammered out a deal so now I'm happy to announce that ........................

I'M PLAYING STARBUCK IN THE NEW MOVIE!

Yes I know it's hard to believe but after tough negotiations, I signed a deal that includes 3 Twinkies, half of a 3 musketeers bar and all of the writes to Galactica 80.

It was tough going but I had a few demands I had to give up in order to get this deal signed and I won't get into it but lets just say Hollywood will be the farthest I've ever hitchhiked.

There were also a few other things I had to give up in the deal but that's OK because I'm from Canada so it can't be all that cold at night in Hollywood.

If anyone wants my autograph, I'll be handing out signed mug shots as I tour the local soup kitchens.

So hopefully you will see me on the big screen soon. Who knows, through the prisoners work program, you may have me sitting you in your seat before the movie starts.

So thanks again for all of your support. :)

OWD

martok2112
August 22nd, 2009, 05:32 AM
Why you underhanded.....you.....you.....YOU TOOK MY DEAL!


I ....it was IIIIIIII who was to be Starbuck! But nooooooo....you....you and your evil scheming ways have once again stood in the way of my plans for world dom----er...I mean....silver screen glory!

You will rue the day you did this to me!!! Well......go on....start rueing!

:D

oldwardaggit
August 22nd, 2009, 06:14 AM
Why you underhanded.....you.....you.....YOU TOOK MY DEAL!


I ....it was IIIIIIII who was to be Starbuck! But nooooooo....you....you and your evil scheming ways have once again stood in the way of my plans for world dom----er...I mean....silver screen glory!

You will rue the day you did this to me!!! Well......go on....start rueing!

:D

Well I heard you wouldn't put the nurses uniform on during your meeting with Universal and everyone knows you must wear the nurses uniform. Hell, even Larson shaved his legs and dawned the uniform.

Sometimes it's even further down because Hatch changed into his nurses uniform in the limo on his way to have lunch with Larson.

Here is a little bit of how that meeting went.

Larson = Nice Uniform
Hatch = I changed into it in the limo on the way over
Larson = I'm impressed, sign here please.

So now you know if you really want to get them to sway your way, you have to wear the uniform.

Larson tried to hold out from wearing it for years but in the end, even he had to slap on that sucker to get this movie deal. :)

I think he might have had to get it let out a bit though. It's been quite a while since he had to button up that little white number.

OWD

KJ
August 22nd, 2009, 07:30 AM
LOL!

:rotf::LOL:

what the...! You guys. :D

KJ

Reaper
August 22nd, 2009, 07:47 AM
good thing I'm auditioning for Bojay. I have to wear the Socialator dress though.

JLHurley
August 22nd, 2009, 08:37 AM
Speaking of Dirk Benedict...I had to run to the grocery store last night and on the way there and back heard him and Dwight Schultz on an AM radio talk show. It didn't take long for me to recognize Dirk's voice, though he's sounding up there in years. I only heard them discussing 70s/80s TV, the A-Team and "What women these days want." Anyone hear the entire interview and know what was (inevitably/hopefully) said about BG?

JLHurley
August 22nd, 2009, 08:49 AM
Oops--I think I can probably answer my own question. I just went to Dirk's site and it lists an appearance with Dwight on Dennis Miller earlier in the year. Probably not a new interview.

martok2112
August 22nd, 2009, 08:51 AM
Well I heard you wouldn't put the nurses uniform on during your meeting with Universal and everyone knows you must wear the nurses uniform. Hell, even Larson shaved his legs and dawned the uniform.

Sometimes it's even further down because Hatch changed into his nurses uniform in the limo on his way to have lunch with Larson.

Here is a little bit of how that meeting went.

Larson = Nice Uniform
Hatch = I changed into it in the limo on the way over
Larson = I'm impressed, sign here please.

So now you know if you really want to get them to sway your way, you have to wear the uniform.

Larson tried to hold out from wearing it for years but in the end, even he had to slap on that sucker to get this movie deal. :)

I think he might have had to get it let out a bit though. It's been quite a while since he had to button up that little white number.

OWD

Nurses uniform? What nurses uniform?

They only told me about the garters and thigh highs!

Curses!!!! The world conspireth against me!

:D

Damocles
August 22nd, 2009, 09:20 AM
Which one of you was told to show up with a gorilla suit, a bikini, and a box of chocolates for your interview?

Darrell Lawrence
August 22nd, 2009, 09:39 AM
*trips in high heels*

...what are you guys looking at? :wtf:

CBSG4ever
August 22nd, 2009, 09:50 AM
Boy...you people will do ANYTHING to get a part! Sheeesh!

*walks away wearing only a...thong...*

ernie90125
August 22nd, 2009, 10:14 AM
From a BSG movie deal.....to nurses uniforms....poor Gemini1999 is going to have to write an essay long post in orange !

Darrell Lawrence
August 22nd, 2009, 11:05 AM
Not a good idea to take a "dig" at one of my moderators for doing his job

:)

Gemini1999
August 22nd, 2009, 11:08 AM
Not a good idea to take a "dig" at one of my moderators for doing his job

:)


Yeah, I get to "put up" with him in two different forums - this one and over at the New Voyages/Phase II forum. He's no bother to me. I just consider the source...:rotf:

Dawg
August 22nd, 2009, 05:00 PM
Boy...you people will do ANYTHING to get a part! Sheeesh!

*walks away wearing only a...thong...*

Oh, my.... The mental picture.....

Tell Mrs. Dawg I'm not going to be interested in dinner...... For at least a week.....

*urp*

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 01:50 PM
LOL!

:rotf::LOL:

what the...! You guys. :D

KJ

Well hay, you know when you least expect it, I'll make this kind of post. :)
We are getting hurricane Bill right now here in Nova Scotia Canada but it's just a tropical storm so I can actually sit out on my Deck and drink beer in it. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

OWD

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 01:51 PM
good thing I'm auditioning for Bojay. I have to wear the Socialator dress though.

Go work it. lol

OWD

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 01:55 PM
Nurses uniform? What nurses uniform?

They only told me about the garters and thigh highs!

Curses!!!! The world conspireth against me!

:D

Actually you just have to fire your agent because everyone knows about the nurse thing. lol

OWD

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 01:59 PM
Which one of you was told to show up with a gorilla suit, a bikini, and a box of chocolates for your interview?


This is a Bryan Singer film, not Tim Burton. lol

OWD

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 02:05 PM
*trips in high heels*

...what are you guys looking at? :wtf:


That's the first time I ever seen you trip in high heels...........well unless you count that time on the cat walk but I promised you then that I would never speak of that again.

However, I do believe it's on youtube somewhere but it looks nothing like you.
even though we all know it is . :)

OWD

oldwardaggit
August 23rd, 2009, 02:11 PM
Boy...you people will do ANYTHING to get a part! Sheeesh!

*walks away wearing only a...thong...*

Hey anyone in the business will tell you that thongs are for getting commercials only. :)

But the main thing is that I'm Starbuck in the new movie. I'm also Batman but that's besides the point.

OWD

monolith21
August 23rd, 2009, 02:40 PM
I leave for a day and everyone is in drag!!!


Seriously though whomever took my mascara I'm going to need that back. I have an interview...

Aphrodite
August 23rd, 2009, 03:59 PM
That's the first time I ever seen you trip in high heels...........well unless you count that time on the cat walk but I promised you then that I would never speak of that again.

However, I do believe it's on youtube somewhere but it looks nothing like you.
even though we all know it is . :)

OWD

I think you just did speak of that again...hehehe :rotf::rotf::rotf:

CBSG4ever
August 23rd, 2009, 04:14 PM
Hey anyone in the business will tell you that thongs are for getting commercials only. :)

But the main thing is that I'm Starbuck in the new movie. I'm also Batman but that's besides the point.

OWD

Wellllll... MY agent mentioned something about a casting call for a Triad Scene?? :D
Does anyone have a parka? I'm feeling a bit of a draft. :/:

AlternityOrange
August 23rd, 2009, 05:56 PM
Boy...you people will do ANYTHING to get a part! Sheeesh!

*walks away wearing only a...thong...*


But why did you wear the thong on your head? You set casting back weeks!

jewels
August 23rd, 2009, 08:40 PM
Wellllll... MY agent mentioned something about a casting call for a Triad Scene?? :D
Does anyone have a parka? I'm feeling a bit of a draft. :/:

Triad: Those were speedos, darling. Not thongs. Think Mark Spitz, not Brittany Spears, Lindsay Lohan, et all.

Parkas? Um, yes the closet where we keep the Arcta gear is to your left, behind you. The other left.

jewels
August 23rd, 2009, 08:44 PM
Plugging my own threads: http://colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17160 fantasy cast

There's also one with a similar title for possible storylines.

Just something to do (other than dress up) while we aren't hearing production news for a few months.

Damocles
August 24th, 2009, 05:43 AM
Plugging my own threads: http://colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17160 fantasy cast

There's also one with a similar title for possible storylines.

Just something to do (other than dress up) while we aren't hearing production news for a few months.

Basically, instead of an Egyptian (Erik van Danniken^1) feel with a Mormon history overlay, I want to try a more Homeric (epic) quality with a bit of the Aeneid thrown in.

As for who could write it? I don't want Jane Espenson (though she is a decent protege of Josh Whedon) as a writer, basically because she was trained by Josh Whedon. She is too soap operaish to my taste. We need somebody who can write Space Epic for the big screen.

So its the X-Files crew, James Wong and Glenn Morgan, I tap for the screen writing duties; if someone has any brains at Universal.

^1 Not a person that I like at all.

Damocles
August 24th, 2009, 05:51 AM
This is a Bryan Singer film, not Tim Burton. lol

OWD

Actually the gorilllla suit, as I discovered, was for the casting director. One of the lawyers got the bikini. I don't know who got the chocolates.

Well I heard you wouldn't put the nurses uniform on during your meeting with Universal and everyone knows you must wear the nurses uniform. Hell, even Larson shaved his legs and dawned the uniform.

Don't you mean "mooned"?

Sometimes it's even further down because Hatch changed into his nurses uniform in the limo on his way to have lunch with Larson.

How did you find that out? Do you know the trouble he had with the hat?

Here is a little bit of how that meeting went.

As far as I know, I had the only copy of the blackmail; er videotape for record.....who gave you yours?

Larson = Nice Uniform
Hatch = I changed into it in the limo on the way over
Larson = I'm impressed, sign here please.

It was not exactly what they said.....

So now you know if you really want to get them to sway your way, you have to wear the uniform.

Or know a good technician.

Larson tried to hold out from wearing it for years but in the end, even he had to slap on that sucker to get this movie deal. :)

Better that, than the thomg.

I think he might have had to get it let out a bit though. It's been quite a while since he had to button up that little white number.

OWD

http://leegoldberg.typepad.com/a_writers_life/images/2008/05/09/glenlarson.jpg

Somehow from that remark; I now understand the significance of
http://www.tvacres.com/images/captain_moose.jpg

Mister Moose in the videotape.

monolith21
August 24th, 2009, 10:31 AM
I think Jane Espenson is a fantastic writer, but she has written for Gino quite a bit. I think they need someone that could be a bit more original series oriented.

As I've said before David Hayter is my ultimate pick. He has demonstrated the ability to work well with Bryan Singer and adapt existing properties extremely well and true to the source.

Aside from Hayter I'd say Alex Garland who wrote "Sunshine" did a bang up job there.
I actually think would do a fantastic job would be Russel T. Davies!

He managed to pull Doctor Who out of mothballs and keep it true to form while updating it in a great way. Imagine what he could do with a big budget like this movie.

Damocles
August 24th, 2009, 11:23 AM
I think Jane Espenson is a fantastic writer, but she has written for Gino quite a bit. I think they need someone that could be a bit more original series oriented.

Get a hold of a copy of the pilot episode for a certain series she is scheduled to do for SyFy. Can't say any more than this, but 10 seconds into it, you'll see what I mean about her unsuitability for the project in any capacity.

As I've said before David Hayter is my ultimate pick. He has demonstrated the ability to work well with Bryan Singer and adapt existing properties extremely well and true to the source.

Didn't he botch X-Men 2, and had to be bailed out by Zack Penn and Singer himself in major rewrites as they shot the thing?

Aside from Hayter I'd say Alex Garland who wrote "Sunshine" did a bang up job there.

Alex Garland botched the screen treatment for Halo. He had it rewritten by Josh Olsen and some other guy whose name escapes me; so that it could be shot within budget. That is not a slam on him, because he is a great writer, (28 Days Later) but it does show that he has a problem with writing within a limited FX budget.

I actually think would do a fantastic job would be Russel T. Davies!

He managed to pull Doctor Who out of mothballs and keep it true to form while updating it in a great way. Imagine what he could do with a big budget like this movie.

I have no argument with this. There may have been some casting gaffes with series 2 of the new Who (Doctor), but the writing is still very good.

Kronus
August 24th, 2009, 12:55 PM
I leave for a day and everyone is in drag!!!


Seriously though whomever took my mascara I'm going to need that back. I have an interview...

Dude I told you you'll find it in your Gucci bag next to the divan under the lamp with the red and blue scarf over it. Besides, you better not scuff my nice new pumps I just got last week or you'll owe me $200 cubits!

I swear, you never listen man....you never listen!

monolith21
August 24th, 2009, 06:47 PM
My bad man!:rotf:

monolith21
August 24th, 2009, 06:54 PM
Get a hold of a copy of the pilot episode for a certain series she is scheduled to do for SyFy. Can't say any more than this, but 10 seconds into it, you'll see what I mean about her unsuitability for the project in any capacity.



Didn't he botch X-Men 2, and had to be bailed out by Zack Penn and Singer himself in major rewrites as they shot the thing?



Alex Garland botched the screen treatment for Halo. He had it rewritten by Josh Olsen and some other guy whose name escapes me; so that it could be shot within budget. That is not a slam on him, because he is a great writer, (28 Days Later) but it does show that he has a problem with writing within a limited FX budget.



I have no argument with this. There may have been some casting gaffes with series 2 of the new Who (Doctor), but the writing is still very good.



The more I think about it the more I think Russel T. Davies would be the absolute man for the job! He's just coming off of four successful seasons of the relaunched Doctor Who not including the specials. He can definitely bring something back the right way and bring the long time audience along.

With David Hayter all I really know is that I really like the film she ends up working on. I'm not really aware of the behind the scenes stuff all that much. I loved the first two X-men films and thought Watchmen (love it or hate it) was a very loyal interpretation of the graphic novel.

Out of the writers Bryan Singer is known to work with Hayter is the one I think could do a decent first draft at the very least. I'd love for them to go for broke and bring in Davies. I think it would be a BRILLIANT move!

TwoBrainedCylon
August 25th, 2009, 02:21 AM
I disagree with the dumping on Jane for Caprica. I thought the Caprica pilot was an excellent piece of work whose only limitation was that you have to put in a heavy upfront load to get the payoff. The first 30 minutes move at a crawl but it all comes together very well IMO. I thought Caprica was surprisingly good.

I also don't think its fair to say Jane is too soap opera-ish. Did anyone see X-Men? That was pure soap for both X1 and X2 (I didn't see X3). I'd argue a bit of soap is exactly what Galactica should have. Certainly, the original series bordered on that from time to time.

She did some quirky writing for GINO but as a writer, I think she's done some great stuff, with her FireFly work being foremost among the lot.


Russell

Damocles
August 25th, 2009, 03:42 AM
I disagree with the dumping on Jane for Caprica. I thought the Caprica pilot was an excellent piece of work whose only limitation was that you have to put in a heavy upfront load to get the payoff. The first 30 minutes move at a crawl but it all comes together very well IMO. I thought Caprica was surprisingly good.

Different strokes. I find her writing style formula heavy, plot disorganized, and SLOW. She also spends too much time on caricature and not enough time on character and plot. Those are technical nitpicks aside from the fact that I just hated some of her last work product including the aforementioned Syfy pilot.

I also don't think its fair to say Jane is too soap opera-ish. Did anyone see X-Men? That was pure soap for both X1 and X2 (I didn't see X3). I'd argue a bit of soap is exactly what Galactica should have. Certainly, the original series bordered on that from time to time.

I don't want Days of Our Pirate Lives. I want epic, not moral farce.

She did some quirky writing for GINO but as a writer, I think she's done some great stuff, with her FireFly work being foremost among the lot.

I did not like Firefly.

http://runolfr.blogspot.com/2008/04/more-radical-feminist-criticism-of.html

Aside from the Babtech guy and the feminist critic wailing on each other, did you notice how thin the actual criticism was on a show episode that was all caricature?

Espenson had a hand in that garbage.

Kronus
August 25th, 2009, 08:25 AM
Although I am not as soft spoken and gracious as Damocles regards Jane, (LOL) but I have to agree with the lastest work being nothing at all I would like to see with the new movie.

Although I loved FireFly, I don't care for her overall work.

spiderr987
August 25th, 2009, 09:04 AM
Spiderr987 reporting in! :salute:

(They always come home)!

It took me a couple of days to read this entired thread on my cell phone and finally post this at the library, as I don't have an internet connection at home til next week, but...

CONGRATULATIONS TO US ALL, GLEN LARSON AND BRYAN SINGER!! (...and, hopefully, DeSanto, too)! After all the abuse and disrespect we've endured over the last five years, we so deserve this! Maybe all my posting over the years on various websites to counter all the dis-information SyFy stealth marketers have been attempting to spread, did do some good, if even a minute amount. I think it had more to do with GINO's 69% drop in ratings on SyFy and it getting the worst ratings NBC has ever had, when they aired it twice on a major network.

Oh, well, I came here to celebrate that the real Battlestar Galactica is finally getting its due by a director/producer, who really had respect for the source material and has Glen's blessing... not to mention, that's being helmed by the very talented Bryan Singer, who is almost batting a 100% at the box office. I CAN'T WAIT!!:thumbsup::D

Hello, all! Hi, Two-Brained! ...good to see ya again, and under such great circumstances!

monolith21
August 25th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Welcome back Spiderr (that you Terrence?). Oh and love the new addition to your signature Kronus!

spiderr987
August 25th, 2009, 12:19 PM
Hmmm... What other screennames do you go by on other boards, Monolith? I'm also Ginogoneforever on imdb and SyFy.

monolith21
August 25th, 2009, 01:05 PM
I'm pretty much Monolith21 on all the boards I post on except the myspace boards where I post by my name...Mark.

TwoBrainedCylon
August 25th, 2009, 01:08 PM
Damocles,

Its likely that any Galactica project that would please me wouldn't be your cup of tea. I'm fairly certain that what you would think is ideal is something I'd think totally missed the mark.



Hi Spider.


All my best,


Russell

KJ
August 25th, 2009, 01:45 PM
What about my ideas then?

Think anything old KJ would like to see in a BSG movie, would be your cup of tea/java TwoBrainedCylon?

:)

KJ

Kronus
August 25th, 2009, 02:10 PM
Oh and love the new addition to your signature Kronus!

Woo Hoo!!! Movie movie movie!!!

Just to set D off, Lets find a role for Patrick Steward! :duck: :rotf:

Maybe he can be Adama! HA HA HA HA HA! "Number One ah I mean Colonel Tigh!" :LOL: "A Cylon attack, lets go into the ready room and talk about this."

:P:

BST
August 25th, 2009, 06:31 PM
Spiderr987 reporting in! :salute:

(They always come home)!

It took me a couple of days to read this entired thread on my cell phone and finally post this at the library, as I don't have an internet connection at home til next week, but...

CONGRATULATIONS TO US ALL, GLEN LARSON AND BRYAN SINGER!! (...and, hopefully, DeSanto, too)! After all the abuse and disrespect we've endured over the last five years, we so deserve this! Maybe all my posting over the years on various websites to counter all the dis-information SyFy stealth marketers have been attempting to spread, did do some good, if even a minute amount. I think it had more to do with GINO's 69% drop in ratings on SyFy and it getting the worst ratings NBC has ever had, when they aired it twice on a major network.

Oh, well, I came here to celebrate that the real Battlestar Galactica is finally getting its due by a director/producer, who really had respect for the source material and has Glen's blessing... not to mention, that's being helmed by the very talented Bryan Singer, who is almost batting a 100% at the box office. I CAN'T WAIT!!:thumbsup::D

Hello, all! Hi, Two-Brained! ...good to see ya again, and under such great circumstances!



Spider!!

Welcome back!! :)

Great to see you again and, like you said, for such great circumstances!!! I do hope that this is the slam-dunk that we've been waiting for.

:ahem: Unfortunately, though, I do have to remind you that we don't talk about Ron's show here - nada - zilch - .... not since 09/27/2005.

But, we do talk about TOS and... what's to come..... so ... don't delay... start talking!!

;)

spiderr987
August 25th, 2009, 10:09 PM
Monolith... Mark! What's up, man? Do they still have MySpace groups? Boy, that was place a stealth markerting troll camp, if I have ever seen one. BST... I remember and will respect the board's guidelines. That was just a one off, as I just had to get that off my chest. Hopefully, all things going well with Singer & Larson's TOS film(s), TOS and a resulting TOS tv show and spinoffs, Larson-sanctioned BSG will be the only properties that will be relevant from that point forward. TOS may be more popular than in 78-79 if this is done right. I'm so pumped!

Damocles
August 25th, 2009, 10:16 PM
Damocles,

Its likely that any Galactica project that would please me wouldn't be your cup of tea. I'm fairly certain that what you would think is ideal is something I'd think totally missed the mark.



Hi Spider.


All my best,


Russell

I think you and I would actually not be too far apart as to end product, as you can tell by my avatar. With respect.

Frank

Damocles
August 25th, 2009, 10:56 PM
Woo Hoo!!! Movie movie movie!!!

Just to set D off, Lets find a role for Patrick Steward! :duck: :rotf:

Maybe he can be Adama! HA HA HA HA HA! "Number One ah I mean Colonel Tigh!" :LOL: "A Cylon attack, lets go into the ready room and talk about this."

:P:

http://cusecountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/macbeth2.jpg

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=332444244&blogId=365965591

The mustache did all the acting in MacBeth.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6598/patrickstewartdramacrit.png

BST
August 26th, 2009, 06:07 AM
Monolith... Mark! What's up, man? Do they still MySpace groups? BST... I remember and will respect the board's guidelines. That was just a one off, as I just had to get that off my chest. Hopefully, all things going well with Singer & Larson's TOS film(s), TOS and a resulting TOS tv show and spinoffs, Larson-sanctioned BSG will be the only properties that will be relevant from that point forward. TOS may be more popular than in 78-79 if this is done right. I'm so pumped!

No problem, Spider!
(Gotta do my job, ya know.) ;)

Anyway, it's great to see you back around these parts again!
Here's a little something to wet your whistle:

(catch)
.
:beer:
.
:beer:


:D

BST
August 26th, 2009, 06:11 AM
http://cusecountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/macbeth2.jpg

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=332444244&blogId=365965591

The mustache did all the acting in MacBeth.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6598/patrickstewartdramacrit.png

:ahem:

Damocles,

This thread is to discuss the new Battlestar movie, not to disparage Patrick Stewart.

BTW, some of us actually like Patrick Stewart. ;)

Thanks in advance for your cooperation,

BST

Damocles
August 26th, 2009, 06:29 AM
:ahem:

Damocles,

This thread is to discuss the new Battlestar movie, not to disparage Patrick Stewart.

BTW, some of us actually like Patrick Stewart. ;)

Thanks in advance for your cooperation,

BST

Woo Hoo!!! Movie movie movie!!!

Just to set D off, Lets find a role for Patrick Steward! :duck: :rotf:

Maybe he can be Adama! HA HA HA HA HA! "Number One ah I mean Colonel Tigh!" :LOL: "A Cylon attack, lets go into the ready room and talk about this."

:P:

It was a joke reply, to a joke suggestion. ;)

If he was to get a role, I would suggest this one:

http://www.galactica.tv/templates/MAD/images/brett-somers-1.jpg

although I would submit he is not man enough for the part.

Kronus
August 26th, 2009, 07:11 AM
:ahem:

Damocles,

This thread is to discuss the new Battlestar movie, not to disparage Patrick Stewart.

BTW, some of us actually like Patrick Stewart. ;)

Thanks in advance for your cooperation,

BST
BST,

I was just lightening the mood a bit with Damocles. He can be a bit "strong" so I thought I would "thin" him out a bit...Hee hee. Well I attempted to anyways…:LOL: mission failed...AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!;) (I too do not feel the same towards Patrick either but to each their own)

We need to have some fun here to keep the topic not only interesting but to stimulate more ideas and get new thoughts from it. I have never been a part of a working group where there was no humor and semi-polite banter. Whether you have hair or if you are “follicles challenged” (bald to you un-edu-ma-kated fo’k) you have to let your hair down.

So, anyone gone to any of those online blogs and shared our passion for the new movie today? Now just because you posted once doesn’t mean you forget about it…go back and keep sharing the excitement! I’ll be going back to the ones I’ve done tonight when I get home. Some of them are blocked by our networks here at my work or I would go there now. We have to keep letting others know we do exist and we are drooling for the day this all comes to the big screen!

Woo Hoo, Movie movie movie!

Darrell Lawrence
August 26th, 2009, 08:51 AM
Why not discuss the REAL Patrick Stuart that appeared in BG.... errr I mean G80? ;)

http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/data/media/18/gala_80_zee_b&w_patrickstuart.jpg

http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/data/media/18/gala_80_zee_patrickstuart.jpg

Damocles
August 26th, 2009, 09:16 AM
Did you know that he portrayed Colonel Porter Alexander in the movies, Gerttysburg and Gods and Generals? Did a decent job for the bits he had. I can see him as Boojay;

http://images.hollywoodupclose.com/images/4/10/15/75/05/10157505_160_240.jpg

or possibly one of the next generation of Adama's family.

spiderr987
August 26th, 2009, 03:29 PM
No problem, Spider!
(Gotta do my job, ya know.) ;)

Anyway, it's great to see you back around these parts again!
Here's a little something to wet your whistle:

(catch)
.
:beer:
.
:beer:


:D

AHHHHHHHHH!!! Thanks for the brews!! Those were SAMUEL ADAMS CHERRY WHEATS, huh? Mmmmmmmm!!

BST
August 26th, 2009, 07:12 PM
BST,

I was just lightening the mood a bit with Damocles. He can be a bit "strong" so I thought I would "thin" him out a bit...Hee hee. Well I attempted to anyways…:LOL: mission failed...AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!;) (I too do not feel the same towards Patrick either but to each their own)

We need to have some fun here to keep the topic not only interesting but to stimulate more ideas and get new thoughts from it. I have never been a part of a working group where there was no humor and semi-polite banter. Whether you have hair or if you are “follicles challenged” (bald to you un-edu-ma-kated fo’k) you have to let your hair down.

So, anyone gone to any of those online blogs and shared our passion for the new movie today? Now just because you posted once doesn’t mean you forget about it…go back and keep sharing the excitement! I’ll be going back to the ones I’ve done tonight when I get home. Some of them are blocked by our networks here at my work or I would go there now. We have to keep letting others know we do exist and we are drooling for the day this all comes to the big screen!

Woo Hoo, Movie movie movie!

No problem.. it's just that bit about one person's trash may be another person's treasure.

;)

Carry on..... :D

BST
August 26th, 2009, 07:14 PM
It was a joke reply, to a joke suggestion. ;)

If he was to get a role, I would suggest this one:

http://www.galactica.tv/templates/MAD/images/brett-somers-1.jpg

although I would submit he is not man enough for the part.

Gotcha. Tis ok.

You're right ... he couldn't handle Brett Somers. ;)

KJ
August 29th, 2009, 07:59 PM
I want to offer up something serious, as in a cautionary warning to the studio as in not to muck this whole thing up! It should be something from the 'Fanbase' in full agreement with the TOS actors or in conjunction with the CFF website via a poster made public. Not to mess up any attempted film franchise series of movie(s) featuring BSG, not to be violated or royally screwed around with by Studio Executives. I.E. sticking close to the 'source materials' yet giving us an updated BSG envisioned motion picture by film director Bryan Singer.

In light of the recent bombing/turkey of the film 'Dragonball Evolution' (more on that later) i propose, such an endeavor be called the "DE clause".


Love all the recent excitement knowing a BSG movie on the way. but in what format exactly? News of how bad the DE movie was, and i mean really bad (DB/DBZ fan here). Hollywood sometimes blatantly goes out of its way into not making the motion picture of an adaptation any good at all. While there have been plenty of examples long before DE. Hollywood's kinda tkaen advantage of its TV properties and are willing to throw them to the wolves, and we're just there excepting this all the time.

Well, not everyone?

Seems when DE even put out its teaser trailer, Fans were in a uproar and did something about it. yup, its called 'youtube', only recently found out about it now, but apparently the DB fans had a campaign going to warn people's about how the studio twisted DB beyond recognising it past its film title? The anime fans (or otaku's if you prefer) were well fired up moreso than western fanboys (and don't someone one we know on here, go on about the "names", its done for classifiying the groups for simplicity sakes!, o.k.) and they made tons of videos, before, during and after, the film's release to state their anger over how bad the film was and shouldn't have been etc.

Point is though, the group stated their disagreements with the studio as the film went into productions with all the horror stories we heard about it long before it got into the production stages (casting, settings, budget, story, script etc?). Even though Dragonball and its characters are based on a manga/anime. The point applies that a creation was taken by a studio and none of its source materials were ever applied and look at the end results. Similar to TV/film adaptations, its dies a death at the box office cos some suits didn't pay attention and though they'd cash in on name value without appliing any common sense!

Even the voice actors of DB/DBZ/DBGT don't like the film! Nor does creator Akira Toriyama. And Japan totally hates DE the movie with a vengeance! it must be said. Again point is though. "Source Materials" key ingredient to any film adapted from any other source i.e. its original television incarnation. while that doesn't mean make a 70's movie in the 21st century, it does mean take what was originally good about it and update it vastly while retaining its key elements.

I'm seriously going to make a proposal to the mods for some kind of statement or CFF effort (poster, message) to the studios (Universal) before we get anymore news, whether it be good or bad. Rather than wait around as a small group/fanbase with no "voice" all the time. We've done that twice before haven't we? Where did it get us, screwed over? It'll be a serious statement to what we'd like the upcoming BSG movie to be. So that means all our previous positive discussion points on what a BSG movie should be about and putting it into a forum where we make a list of requirements that the new production should at least be outlined to! Far as following the "source materials" and mythology of the classic series into this new movie incarnation!

But be free enough to allow for any creativity on Singer, Larson's part in their deals with Universal etc. Showing that we're open minded enough, yet taking cautions etc. That they don't jettison anything we'd like from the original.

Anyways. I'll leave give out these links to youtube of some of the DE vids in regards to their dislike of the whole thing, including vdioes where the vocie actors of the anime series go against it too (damn that says something doesn't it!).

Mods, i'm serious about that proposal so PM me and we'll talk about it!

Cheers


Why Dragonball Evolution Sucks: A Yamcha Study

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DcOM39QMFI&feature=related

dragonball evolution sucks review/protest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCelB7ui6AQ&feature=related

Christopher Sabat Hates DBE (Spread this video around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7byY8Opstus&feature=related

Victor Joseph Mignogna Hates DBE (Spread this vid around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyPu1zUX7c&feature=related

Director and actors lie about DBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fKoS__As7A&feature=related


DragonBall Evolution Protest Warriors Have Spoken

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLsmF61khE8&feature=related

Dragonball Evolution Protest Vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCcaclWIG4&feature=related

Dragonball murdered by Fox - Dark Humor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDQbOO7I2mk&feature=related

Dragonball Evolution: Quick Review

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVsbLKPNvcM&feature=related


My reaction to WTF dragonball evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuMqxUnIWFo&feature=channel


WTF DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION!!! (dayashathirsts review)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiS4xZNB5Pg&feature=related

Reactions / WTF?! Dragonball Evolution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqjaWRjEZs&feature=related

Dragonball Evolution Review P2 A final say on the movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLRX6j4KIqQ&feature=related


KJ

P.S. "DE clause" think about it!

monolith21
August 29th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Hey, I'm all for trying to send a message letting them know what the fans that support this endeavor would like to see. I'm perfectly aware that they won't pay much attention to us if at all, but ya never know. It could catch on. I think its good for gaining support as well.

monolith21
August 29th, 2009, 11:34 PM
How long do you guys think it will be before we start seeing any progress on the film? If it is fast tracked like they say it is, how long before the script is under way and casting starts and all that jazz?

martok2112
August 29th, 2009, 11:50 PM
How long do you guys think it will be before we start seeing any progress on the film? If it is fast tracked like they say it is, how long before the script is under way and casting starts and all that jazz?


I keep consulting my magic 8 ball, and it keeps saying: "Hmmm...ask me again."

monolith21
August 30th, 2009, 01:38 AM
Keep on that things will ya! Inquiring minds want to know! lol

I'm just trying to think of other fast tracked productions within the same genre. I mean fast track for that new Halloween II Rob Zombie travesty meant less than a year so the script was finished rather quickly. Something like this is bound to take a bit longer. It could be another six months before we hear anything!

Damocles
August 30th, 2009, 05:35 AM
and don't someone one we know on here, go on about the "names", its done for classifiying the groups for simplicity sakes!, o.k.

To quote the great Chinese general Sun Tszu;
He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious.

American translation: Don't poke a sleeping bear with a stick..

Best way to handle an approach between the audience and the studio, is
soft power. (http://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/4290.html)

Make public and private contacts with those who have industry influence, communicate calmly a vision of the desired product both privately and publicly, refrain from demands and ultimatums, instead be suggestive and helpful. Positively sound out everything the project directors and producers do that you can, that prods them and the project into the direction you desire, and above all keep positive optimistic pressure on the outside input and inside developments, that you want to encourage.

A well reasoned public editorial statement about things we would like to see in the project here; is just a small part of the whole nudge program. BLUSTER, however, is NOT.

D.

TwoBrainedCylon
August 30th, 2009, 07:19 AM
Humbly, ...

This project like all the others will be determined as much by the personalities involved as any fan concerns. Keep in mind that Tom DeSanto was slandered for being so petty as worrying about what the "fanboys" would think about Transformers. Studios operate on the "new and cool" mentality and I've yet to see one who didn't believe that people are paying to see new stuff, not the same old thing.

Its a rare screenwriter who can bring that new flavor to an old franchise. As time passes, the chances of getting anyone who can do such a project well are small. Look at the recent Indy film as a glaring example of that.

My suggestion, should this become something folks want to pursue, is to use GINO as the example and illustrate both what worked for fans and what didn't. Just saying "You screwed up!!! Don't do it again. Don't ever do something like GINO." only alienates everyone involved. If people say "I liked this and thought it was good" and "this really pushed me away and didn't make me want to see any more of what you were doing", I think you have your best chance of getting some attention.

GINO, for better or worse, is an example that everyone can point to and evaluate. Saying things like "I want the original concepts" is worthless. What does that mean? If you asked Don, Darrell, John, Jim, Peter, and I to list them, you'd get wildly different answers. Some of that has been done but I'm now hearing folks want to send a coordinated message. I'd suggest a limited, specific message will have a far greater impact than a mass barrage of resistance, negativity, or demands.

All my best,


Russell

KJ
August 30th, 2009, 08:12 AM
Perhaps so gentlemen!

And yet still, like fans we have our fears over the majority of the 'original mythos' being abandoned altogether!

I'm not asking for a yet another petition (Cos we've being there, got screwed over, and got the T-Shirt thank you!) or make a list of signatures. Nope, the DE clause would be serious stern campaign warning to Universal as to to jettison the things which would no doubt draw the majority of us in.

You do know why i've used DE as the latest reference don't you?

Your a fan of something, and you got screwed over. Hell the Dragonball fans knew the 'screwing' was coming long before the teaser trailer, thus when out of there way to do their youtube vids on not seeing it and warning the studio against a sequel etc.

TOS BSG fan on the other hand have been recently given brand new news of the possible Galactica film being pushed into production with Bryan Singer who once was involved in the early 2000's TV series revival with Tom DeSanto. I personally look at this as another example of what exactly have we learned?

As i stated in the last post, we were on the side lines twice before. And responded to things we didn't like. April 2002 Sci-fi went with a re-imagining of BSG so CFF put out the ads in variety etc and on the CFF website wanting to plet people know of the original series revival attempts. Even before hand we were stuck with the Hatch/Larson fight over the rights to a decent BSG revival. Studio didn't go with it and we were left stuck without news of a revival untill Feb 2001.

I mean are we always just going to talk about it all the time reacting to news from the studio. ABC certainly realised their mistake when they canned the original series in athe summer months of 1979 and the campaign back then told them of how big BSG should've been on television.

Sorry but i think sometimes the internet makes us all too comfortable, and constant debating can only lead us so far. We've debated everything even the way Star Trek campaigned to revive its series which was greenlit, then became a movie after the success of Star Wars in 1977. it took two years but it got its revival after a lengthy attempts. Think Paramount didn't realise its mistake in canned Trek in 1969, after the 70's syndication proved it was definitely something people WANTED to watch afterall?

Look, just the CF mods realise and give me a week to write something up in "Wordpad" or "Windows Excel" written up properly and something to truly go over in the professional sense, ready for a real proposal as such! If given to the right people, we could send them the right message in seeing the movie isn't dicked around with.

Dragonball fans didn't go out in droves, but didn enough from their own PC's to make enough noise on youtube. Have you even tried putting Dragonball Evolution into the search engine of youtube to look at the reviews, clips and whatnot.

:eek::errr:

I'm getting tired of the same old yeah well, we know they won't listen arguement. WE'RE NOT ORGANISED ENOUGH, AND NEVER HAVE BEEN!

We might be forced to shake up BSG fandom before the putting the studio on actual noticed. In other words 'Get Your Own Troops Ready' before marching into battle with different commanders with their own voice making their own orders as it were (seperate voices in fandom). Can't believe we'd be waiting thinking news of the film is enough to wait for the BSG websites to go all commercial or something so as to sell the film simply cos its a BG movie. If it sucks like DE did, then many might not even want to be around yet another reboot of the name Battlestar Galactica.

I'll be GINO The Movie, just not by Ron Moore, David Eick and former Sci-fi Channel Vice President Bonnie Hammer!

I'm not kidding you. and despite my constant support of the original, real life is really starting to beckon in many fans lives. If we're too distracted and absorbed in our own lives, then actual support of this from fans who's fanbase is never at full strength, is hardly going to do what the Star Trek, Firefly/Serenity and other fanbase revivals have done to get a proper respectful movie going.

Respect you guys, but your getting too comfortable in the talking about the potential movie once again. And i see the same old pattern developing. Hey, i'm praying i'm wrong and the film might be what we've all wished all along and its exactly how we all want it to be. Chances are, thats one in a million though!

Give me a week or so to write up that proposal. Yes it'll include a 'DE clause', cos i got shafted recently cos i'm a DB fan too. But it'll mainly be a outline of concerns and pointing out of errors that leaving behind the 'original source materials' of the BSG franchise would do to their potential audiences.

Til then, peace!

:salute::cool:

KJ

KJ
August 30th, 2009, 08:44 AM
and don't someone we know on here, go on about "names", its done classiyifing the groups for 'simplicity sakes!, o.k.

To quote the Chinese general Sun Tszu;

He who know when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious

American translation:

Don't poke a sleeping bear with a stick...



:LOL:

You amuse me as always.

First off, quit quoting dead people, it one thing to quote them its another to actually believe and understand what you read out of a book, simply to quote it to someone else, dear chap! Not impressed!

Second here's my quote which i'm sure you've heard before.

Don't go stumbling around in the dark, you'll wake the sleeping dragon!

Or "Layman's Terms" translation: Don't piss off 'Kingjason'!

Nuff said!

And last time i checked, you weren't exactly or hardly 'dragonslayer' material!

:D

Zing! :cool:

Thirdly: Plenty of bear's heads hang over a fireplace. And i'm from England, so hunting is kinda our forte if you know what i mean! And who said i'd use a stick? Elephant guns, muskets, cannons, shotgun with armor piecing rounds etc.

I'm always ready for hunting or war! ;)

*Twirls his goatee* sits down to read the Daily Sunday Telegraph newspaper!

Lol.

KJ

BST
August 30th, 2009, 09:06 AM
:ahem:

This recent conversation is very encouraging and contains a lot of good point, counterpoints, and suggestions.

As far as my own opinion, I'd agree with the "soft-touch" but, at the same time, I would encourage everyone to lay it out on the table. The worst that they could say is "No".

I'll pass this on to the Staff to see what arrangements we will need to make. No doubt we will have more than just this one thread.

;)

Damocles
August 30th, 2009, 09:49 AM
I hunt in a country where its still legal.....so I can speak truth when I make a claim as to what I KILL.

First off, quit quoting dead people, it one thing to quote them its another to actually believe and understand what you read out of a book, simply to quote it to someone else, dear chap! Not impressed

:thumbdown:

Something you have to say that I should regard here?


Lucifer: :"Anything is possible, but the odds are astronomically against it."

I quote who I please, as I please, as it applies to topic to illustrate the specific point, that DBZE opinions, audience tactics, and examples are inappropriate to this topic and to this solution to this problem. Clear?

That LAST quote was from Battlestar Galactica, 1978, by the way.

Damocles
August 30th, 2009, 11:20 AM
Humbly, ...

This project like all the others will be determined as much by the personalities involved as any fan concerns. Keep in mind that Tom DeSanto was slandered for being so petty as worrying about what the "fanboys" would think about Transformers. Studios operate on the "new and cool" mentality and I've yet to see one who didn't believe that people are paying to see new stuff, not the same old thing.

That is a good point. You can change without insulting the concept though. DS9 was a rather successful example of this in Berman Drek. It actually succeeded because it was different enough to be new as well as being tangential true to the original Star Trek; if you will excuse the simile. I refer to Captain Psycho (Sisko) in a playful but "good" way, because I like the character. I cannot do that with Jean Puke, or Lameway, or Captain Quantum Lepus. (Archer).

Its a rare screenwriter who can bring that new flavor to an old franchise. As time passes, the chances of getting anyone who can do such a project well are small. Look at the recent Indy film as a glaring example of that.

Michael Piller was of a such. What was good of the ST/TND was all his work. Its a shame he passed.

My suggestion, should this become something folks want to pursue, is to use GINO as the example and illustrate both what worked for fans and what didn't. Just saying "You screwed up!!! Don't do it again. Don't ever do something like GINO." only alienates everyone involved. If people say "I liked this and thought it was good" and "this really pushed me away and didn't make me want to see any more of what you were doing", I think you have your best chance of getting some attention.

There was stuff that I LIKED. "The Hand of God" showed that good writing and production was possible.

GINO, for better or worse, is an example that everyone can point to and evaluate. Saying things like "I want the original concepts" is worthless. What does that mean? If you asked Don, Darrell, John, Jim, Peter, and I to list them, you'd get wildly different answers. Some of that has been done but I'm now hearing folks want to send a coordinated message. I'd suggest a limited, specific message will have a far greater impact than a mass barrage of resistance, negativity, or demands.

I underlined the very important bits.

All my best,

Russell

And cheers in return.

And at the heart of that message you want, may I suggest is: "What can we do to help?"

BST
August 30th, 2009, 02:51 PM
:LOL:

You amuse me as always.

First off, quit quoting dead people, it one thing to quote them its another to actually believe and understand what you read out of a book, simply to quote it to someone else, dear chap! Not impressed!

Second here's my quote which i'm sure you've heard before.

Don't go stumbling around in the dark, you'll wake the sleeping dragon!

Or "Layman's Terms" translation: Don't piss off 'Kingjason'!

Nuff said!

And last time i checked, you weren't exactly or hardly 'dragonslayer' material!

:D

Zing! :cool:

Thirdly: Plenty of bear's heads hang over a fireplace. And i'm from England, so hunting is kinda our forte if you know what i mean! And who said i'd use a stick? Elephant guns, muskets, cannons, shotgun with armor piecing rounds etc.

I'm always ready for hunting or war! ;)

*Twirls his goatee* sits down to read the Daily Sunday Telegraph newspaper!

Lol.

KJ

:ahem:


Well, if I can paraphrase a line from above, it would be --

"Don't PISS OFF the Admin!"

The above remarks were uncalled for and I would suggest that a different set of terms be used when disagreeing with another's statement.

Now, my recommendation is that the conversation get back on topic and with the very next post.

BST

peter noble
August 30th, 2009, 05:53 PM
As this thing is going to be a reimagination, I'd like to see:

* A retention of the original mythos: the Egyptian motif, brothers of man, Earth as the 13th colony, etc.
* A retention of the core values of family, love, the power of the human spirit, and hope in the face of hopelessness.
* Robot Cylons who were developed by a reptilian race.
* A compelling story that exists on the same plane as the special effects.
* Some kick-ass action, to include space battles and hand-to-hand human/cylon combat.
* Any character named Starbuck will have a dick! ;)

I think there's loads of wiggle room there for the creatives.

I think the recent Star Trek picture is a good guide of where to go with this project.

BST
August 30th, 2009, 05:57 PM
As this thing is going to be a reimagination, I'd like to see:

* A retention of the original mythos: the Egyptian motif, brothers of man, Earth as the 13th colony, etc.
* A retention of the core values of family, love, the power of the human spirit, and hope in the face of hopelessness.
* Robot Cylons who were developed by a reptilian race.
* A compelling story that exists on the same plane as the special effects.
* Some kick-ass action, to include space battles and hand-to-hand human/cylon combat.
* Any character named Starbuck will have a dick! ;)

I think there's loads of wiggle room there for the creatives.

I think the recent Star Trek picture is a good guide of where to go with this project.


If this would be the show... I guarantee that my behind would be in a theater seat!!

:salute:

I do hope that they use Patrick Macnee's intro.... maybe even having him re-do it.

I can hear it now, "There are those who believe, that life, here, began out there."

BST
August 30th, 2009, 06:14 PM
Jason,


Was my previous remark unclear?

When I said that I wanted this thread back on topic that is EXACTLY what I meant... not a back-alley brawl.

I know damn well that I'm not exercising my best diplomacy here and that is only because it's not the first time between you and D.

If you and Damocles have issues, take it to PM.

Consider this the FINAL warning. One more post by either of you that is not DIRECTLY related to the topic gets that poster a vacation.

KJ
August 30th, 2009, 06:18 PM
It was on topic!!!

Personally, if its a little warm, tough you know how open i've always been. Caution him too if your so fair, cos i seem to remember his last one lamblasting me and Sandy/TwoBrainedCylon without you quote him neither.

Oh and...

KJ

BST
August 30th, 2009, 06:34 PM
It was on topic!!!

Personally, if its a little warm, tough you know how open i've always been. Caution him too if your so fair, cos i seem to remember his last one lamblasting me and Sandy/TwoBrainedCylon without you quote him neither.

Oh and...

KJ

Consider this the FINAL warning. One more post by either of you that is not DIRECTLY related to the topic gets that poster a vacation.


When it gets "warm" is the time that a Moderator or an Admin will get involved and it's up to us to determine if there is a good reason for it getting "warm".


The warning is directed at Damocles as well and at anyone else who wants to use this thread to have a verbal pissing match.


For the record, Jason, I am very interested in your thoughts and ideas, regarding this new movie as well as anyone else who wishes to participate.


What folks need to remember and this is to ALL, is that when we share ideas, we open them up to critique. Not everyone is going to have the same idea... if we did, we wouldn't need to be at places like this, having conversations and sharing ideas.

What folks also need to remember, however, is that when critiquing another idea, it needs to be done in a point-counterpoint fashion. Don't slam the original idea but, if it is not quite sound then, offer an alternative and tell why it would be better than the original idea.

TwoBrainedCylon
August 30th, 2009, 08:39 PM
Jason,

I don't feel lamblasted. If I did, I'm quite capable of returning a few fire blasts myself. I think I've demonstrated that once or twice.

In truth, I'm not sure what has caused what I read as a fairly combative feeling from you. As a friend, I ask you to step back a bit and remember that you are a friend among friends.

Regarding "warning" or contacting folks to tell them what we want, ... I think that's a bad idea.

I offered something similar to Ron, in a very supportive way, when GINO first was developing. He was appreciative but explained that it wouldn't be helpful. When he illustrated why, I agreed with him. He asked a great question that put me on the defensive .. namely, "How do you pick the group who decides what should and should not go into a production?" As I said above, even the Fleets membership could never agree what constitutes "Battlestar Galactica".

I caused a lot of turmoil a couple years back when I referenced (without naming it) the 14th Colony project. I noted then, and still believe, that John Roger's concepts were effectively GINO 2.0. For me, they essentially urinated all over the original series. John was very proud of them and felt they were the core of "Galactica". John is certainly as passionate (or moreso) a fan as I am. He has the same loyalty, the same desire to see the franchise revived, and all the rest. Yet, we badly disagree on what we think is a "good" interpretation and what is a spitting in the face.

Apply this same concept to the general audience and you quickly have a nightmare. I hated the changes in GINO but if they had brought about smart stories and good storytelling, I'd have been OK with it. The same still holds true. If this film is wildly different but very clever, I'll see it as a good thing. Someone like Eric will see it as an abomination. Even if we both hate it, my fiancee will probably like it.

Should she be kicked aside because Eric and I are "the authorities"?

With this in mind, who would we warn? Who would we say we represent? What authority do we have to tell any studio how they should make a film? We vote with our opinions and ticket money but to think that any of us represent some element that a studio element MUST listen to is folly in the extreme.

Some should have learned that the first time around.

Is there anyone who seriously thinks Tom DeSanto or someone else is going to put the brakes on a production because a guy named "King Jason" or "Two-Brained Cylon" on an Internet board doesn't like their ideas?

Anyone?


Russell

BST
August 30th, 2009, 09:30 PM
Jason,

The restoration of a deleted message is the responsibility of a Moderator or Admin.

Do we understand each other?


Check your email.

BST


Note: Email bounced - invalid address.
Please contact me via bst@colonialfleets.com

Gemini1999
August 30th, 2009, 09:44 PM
Okay...

I guess that I've been quiet on this long enough. Since KJ first formulated his proposal and directed it at the forum staff for us to use Fleets as a platform for it, I've read it over and given it some thought.

Just from a personal perspective, I think that the idea of attempting to dictate terms to writers, producers or directors on a project that's in development isn't going to gain much attention, nor have a measurable effect on the final product. When you consider what the BSG fanbase is today, compared to what it was back when Richard was proposing his BSG idea, or Tom and Bryan were working on their series for Fox, it's much, much smaller and more fractioned off during the time that has passed since then. We just don't have the numbers to even attempt such an effort and everybody's got their own ideas on what they like and what they don't. You can't create something by committee - generally, when that method is used, everyone assumes that they have creative control and that all ideas should be considered. It's just not practical or possible to get people to agree on what they want, or even to expect someone else that's footing the bill, to take those ideas onboard.

When JJ Abrams was remaking the Trek universe for his film, do you think that they consulted the Trek fanbase and asked them what they wanted, or do you think that they came up with their own plan and then cherry picked what they wanted to include from the original so people would still recognize it as Trek? However they crafted the film, or how some people felt about the finished product, the result was considered a box office success - enough of one to greenlight a second film while the first film was still running.

If people use Abrams "formula" for creating a new BSG film, don't expect them to turn to the fanbase for ideas of a picklist of what to have in it. I think that with the people involved that we're aware of at this point, they already know what the TOS fanbase would like to see. That fact doesn't automatically mean they will use it as a blueprint either.

In the end, it will be all about what gets made, how people feel about the final product, whether they will go see it and how many dollars will it make.

It's a grand idea to think that we have some kind of pull in terms of creativity, but I really don't think that's the case. As Sandy very intelligently pointed out, being overtly aggressive about what BSG fans will "accept", is more likely to get any such consideration to be completely ignored or dismissed out of hand, merely because of the assumption that fans control the creative process.

(puts Mod hat on...)

As for the other issues between forum members - I know that it's been a long time since serious discussion has taken place on this board, but you might want to review the forum rules that you agreed to when you signed on with Fleets. Part of those rules addresses how people talk to each other on the open forum. Name calling, insults, or personal attacks aren't part of the standard of communication. If you can't restrain yourself from being angry at someone, take it off the board to PMs or whatever. As Pete pointed out already, it's not up to the individual to make the call as to whether it's warranted or not. The board is privately owned and funded, so when people start talking about their rights to what they can or will say, I refer them back to the forum rules for clarification on that point.

At this point, the off topic discussion for this particular thread most pointedly, needs to stop. If Damocles wants to carry on about how he hates Trek, there's about half a dozen other threads that he started on that particular subject, so if he needs to talk about that, go back to those threads. As for Dragonball Z or whatever, it's fine to use that property as a referent for discussion, but if that topic is the focus of a discussion, start another thread and talk about it there.

This topic is about the BSG film that's in development, which is a pretty great topic. Let's not muddy the waters - this thread has had more than enough sudden left turns as it is during the past few months.

Sincerely,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

Damocles
August 30th, 2009, 11:44 PM
Jason,

I don't feel lamblasted. If I did, I'm quite capable of returning a few fire blasts myself. I think I've demonstrated that once or twice.

As applied to the Singer project, this is why Liddell Hart is more appropriate than Ulysses Grant.^1

In truth, I'm not sure what has caused what I read as a fairly combative feeling from you. As a friend, I ask you to step back a bit and remember that you are a friend among friends.

..............................lp0 on fire................................

Regarding "warning" or contacting folks to tell them what we want, ... I think that's a bad idea.

As noted; below.

I offered something similar to Ron, in a very supportive way, when GINO first was developing. He was appreciative but explained that it wouldn't be helpful. When he illustrated why, I agreed with him. He asked a great question that put me on the defensive .. namely, "How do you pick the group who decides what should and should not go into a production?" As I said above, even the Fleets membership could never agree what constitutes "Battlestar Galactica".

In the old days the tool was market research to establish what the audience tolerance limits were. Where the mean was (the middle of opinion distribution), that was where the production aimed.

I caused a lot of turmoil a couple years back when I referenced (without naming it) the 14th Colony project. I noted then, and still believe, that John Roger's concepts were effectively GINO 2.0. For me, they essentially urinated all over the original series. John was very proud of them and felt they were the core of "Galactica". John is certainly as passionate (or moreso) a fan as I am. He has the same loyalty, the same desire to see the franchise revived, and all the rest. Yet, we badly disagree on what we think is a "good" interpretation and what is a spitting in the face.

A good example of niche myopia, or letting one's personal taste overwhelm what is established as the referent "art" or "story" is that example. There is what is recognizable "Rococo" or "Battlestar Galactica" and there is what is not. The Jupiter II is not "Battlestar Galactica". Most of us can agree in principle that there are recognized limits we see......Starbuck for example is a limit.

Apply this same concept to the general audience and you quickly have a nightmare. I hated the changes in GINO but if they had brought about smart stories and good storytelling, I'd have been OK with it. The same still holds true. If this film is wildly different but very clever, I'll see it as a good thing. Someone like Eric will see it as an abomination. Even if we both hate it, my fiancee will probably like it.

As an example of this: I had trouble, huge trouble with "Starbuck 1.5" as "Starbuck 1.5", but I reference The Hand of God again. That "Starbuck" was actually one of the reasons that I liked that episode. Character and PLOT, mixed with "Human values" of courage, loyalty, hope, optimism, intelligence, and growth was centered on that character. Starbuck 1.5's character growth was the key B plot to the Tylium asteroid A plot element and it worked to reinforce a good story.

Should she be kicked aside because Eric and I are "the authorities"?

No. Opinion is valid as long as it is well formulated and has a reasonable basis. As to authority; not hard to define that term based on copyright and trademark ownership is it? Who can pull the plug or juice it up? That would be the "authority". That would be the money.

With this in mind, who would we warn? Who would we say we represent? What authority do we have to tell any studio how they should make a film? We vote with our opinions and ticket money but to think that any of us represent some element that a studio element MUST listen to is folly in the extreme.

Disney had an answer for that. PROFIT and stability.

http://www.slate.com/id/2069052/

Some should have learned that the first time around.

I did.

Is there anyone who seriously thinks Tom DeSanto or someone else is going to put the brakes on a production because a guy named "King Jason" or "Two-Brained Cylon" on an Internet board doesn't like their ideas?

Not unless he is a Universal shareholder with boardroom clout:

Make public and private contacts with those who have industry influence, communicate calmly a vision of the desired product both privately and publicly, refrain from demands and ultimatums, instead be suggestive and helpful

Anyone?

Not me: unless it is to help^2.

^1: that is work around the obstacles we encounter instead of smash into them head on.

^2: encourage desired trends.

With respect.

monolith21
August 31st, 2009, 01:47 AM
I can understand where everyone is coming from. We're on the precipice of something big. We've all been there before. If you'll forgive the term, I think what a lot of us are feeling is a sort of impotent loyalty.

I know I feel like its time to get out there in the public eye and make a show of support. A lot of us who are working on this costuming club are trying to do exactly that, combining a love of one aspect of fandom with a goal of promotion and gathering "the faithful" as we are so often referred to internally and externally.

We've been given joyous news, and yet we've also been dealt more than enough shots to put us all well on the defensive.

I can see where KJ is coming from, I can see where Damocles is coming from...and I can certainly see where the mods and everyone else are coming from. This is big. A lot bigger than anything else that has come our way in a long time. Of course emotions, opinions and concepts for forward momentum are going to run equally big.

We've tried appealing to the suits. We know they don't care that we exist (until its time for us to reach for our wallets). I think if we want to make a show of support, this time around we need to consider how to become a more visible and effective group of fans?

Some people are just here to enjoy their favorite show. I think that is great!!! I think we are a dynamic enough group of people that we can celebrate Battlestar Galactica and grow.

The tough part is knowing that unlike other fandom, we will meet resistance. I also think its worth it. When we make ourselves visible, others come calling. I think a lot of us don't because we get slammed down.

Our biggest asset and tool for showing "them" what we want is simply being fans! Celebrate this stuff if you love it. To Hades with the naysayers...give the Star Wars and Firefly fans a run for their money. Gift some Battlestar dvds, have viewing parties, go to conventions and run amuck with those awesome T-Shirts Jim just found online!!! Have some fun again!


I know this much...we don't deserve a Battlestar Galactica movie if we can't even enjoy each others company. Its not going to be all peachy all the time but we're used to that. This movie won't make all of us happy. In truth, I'm taking away more than just what I hope will be a good movie from this. I'm taking away a sense of victory.

Even just knowing that somewhere in an office this year, someone was fighting to get Battlestar into theaters in a bit more recognizable sense and they finally said yes...that is a big deal!

I'm a bit of a freak. I enjoy the fight. Not the arguments mind you. I enjoy the fight to show our support and this thing made. I enjoy showing people that we exist simply because so many people have said we don't.

I read the ignorance spewing from the mouths of some punks in the talk back sections of the announcements that say no one wants to see this and I think of all of you. I want to tell them that we do exist, and that what my friends here have to say is a hell of a lot more interesting and meaningful than they're throwing around.

I know it sounds ridiculous. We're fans of a television show for cryin' out loud, but I honestly feel like what any of you have to say is worth twice as much as anything they've said on their best day as a fan of anything. Notice I'm not putting that on Gino fans either.

I've met a few of you in person. I meet a lot of people. More than most. This place has something about it. I could have picked John (Kronus) out of a crowd as a good guy even if we had never discussed Battlestar at all. I could go on and on about people I've met here! There is a reason this place has sort of been the center of a lot of attention.

The suits know about this place...specifically. I know that for a fact (as in not just "I know it in my heart"). Our collective voices do ring a bit truer than the rest...even when they're not as loud. Let it be a positive voice that inspires others to see what is so great.

That is how we send a message.

martok2112
August 31st, 2009, 08:07 AM
The thing to remember, folks, is that in the end, this is all about entertainment.....there's nothing to be taken from personally about this whole matter. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. We have no control over the outcome of an artistic endeavor any more than a sports fanatic has control over whatever game they're watching. The only voice really to be had is in voting with the wallet. If you don't like it....don't support it. If you love it, throw money at it in the hopes of future production.

But don't take it personally if it doesn't turn out to your exact specifications. There's more than one fan out there that any entertainment endeavor out there attempts to please, but at least most have the foresight to realize that they're not gonna please everyone. As Russell pointed out, you can ask five different folks what they think the core concepts of Galactica are, and you're gonna get five different answers. If those answers don't jive, well, then Galactica (or insert your favorite franchise here) has wide reaching appeal and diversity.

But no movie studio is going to be dictated to....no matter how long anyone has waited for whatever they see as the "true" representation of whatever it is they loved.

Hell, when the new Star Trek movie came out, I hadn't realized how long I had waited for THAT particular Trek film. Why? I guess I just didn't really think about it or let it get me all hot and bothered.

It is thus with Galactica. Of course, I've always been a fence rider, so I really don't find myself pining for any iteration of Galactica. If and when it happens, then bless the day. If it doesn't happen....well....life goes on.

michaelfaries
August 31st, 2009, 01:44 PM
Since the topic of the Larson/Singer BSG TOS film and fan films has come up, it's worth sharing this...

A few yahren ago, as Galacticon 2003 approached and my tenure in full-time BSG webmastering was coming to a close, I was spearheading an effort to produce a bookend to the BSG TOS series.

It was intended to be a short film which gave closure to the original series. It also incorporated heavy elements of Richard Hatch's "The Second Coming" project. (The events of "Galactica 1980" were ignored.)

Various folks were signed to non-disclosure agreements. (Which I'm null and voiding right now.) I wrote a script, did extensive storyboarding, and talks with some of the original cast about possible participation.

It was purely a non-commercial, not-for-profit fan film to give BSG TOS fans some sort of closure. The greatest source of inspiration had come from my late friend, Johnny Byrne, who wrote "Message from Moonbase Alpha" -- a short film which gave closure to fans of the 1970s "Space: 1999" TV series (and left the doors open to revisit that universe again). :bg04: I wanted something professional, polished and able to satisfy those whom had celebrated the original BSG series -- and those whom had supported its return (and had their hopes crushed with the Eick/Moore series).

Money, health and needing more family time were to blame. I could not channel the energy or resources into making it a reality. And put bluntly, I became severely burnt out when the GINO show appeared. "What was, and what could have been" -- well, it simply wasn't.

Thinking forward as the Larson/Singer project fires up, I would love to see this project restarted anew. Realistically, it would need to happen with a massive fan effort of PROFESSIONALS, not fanboys.

This also reminds me of the "Bojay introduces the Scarlet Viper" documentary short that was almost produced by me (with Jack Stauffer reprising his Bojay role) around the same time. Same issues as the other effort, except I was closer to actually filming it. (As others have said, I was doing too much. A price was extolled.)

So, where's the latest information about the Larson/Singer BSG film? I wanna know!!! :P:

Michael
:colonial:

michaelfaries
August 31st, 2009, 01:49 PM
The thing to remember, folks, is that in the end, this is all about entertainment.....there's nothing to be taken from personally about this whole matter. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. We have no control over the outcome of an artistic endeavor any more than a sports fanatic has control over whatever game they're watching. The only voice really to be had is in voting with the wallet. If you don't like it....don't support it. If you love it, throw money at it in the hopes of future production. (...)

That entire post made my day. Beautifully summarized -- and so VERY true.

Michael

ernie90125
August 31st, 2009, 01:58 PM
Please, start a new thread and elaborate and share your ideas Michael !

Jack and I were in touch by e-mail sometime ago, when I was starting my site (www.battlestarfanfilms.com) and he sent me the Scarlett Viper short film synopsis. It still seems something, although not that adventurous, that we could produce as 'firststeps'.

Should any of your ideas progress, be assured of my site's support (hosting and showcasing your work).

Although the Singer movie could be a great chapter in this fanbase's story, I still feel that a stunning fanfilm could really put us on the map.

Damocles
August 31st, 2009, 02:42 PM
The thing to remember, folks, is that in the end, this is all about entertainment.....there's nothing to be taken from personally about this whole matter. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. We have no control over the outcome of an artistic endeavor any more than a sports fanatic has control over whatever game they're watching. The only voice really to be had is in voting with the wallet. If you don't like it....don't support it. If you love it, throw money at it in the hopes of future production.

That is the measure of the audience. In the meantime, what can we do to prevent niche myopia. I would be interested to read suggestions so that we do not get this:

http://www.sfdebris.com/voyager/sfvoyager.asp

But don't take it personally if it doesn't turn out to your exact specifications. There's more than one fan out there that any entertainment endeavor out there attempts to please, but at least most have the foresight to realize that they're not gonna please everyone. As Russell pointed out, you can ask five different folks what they think the core concepts of Galactica are, and you're gonna get five different answers. If those answers don't jive, well, then Galactica (or insert your favorite franchise here) has wide reaching appeal and diversity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Normal_Distribution_PDF.svg/720px-Normal_Distribution_PDF.svg.png

Where is most of the audience again?

But no movie studio is going to be dictated to....no matter how long anyone has waited for whatever they see as the "true" representation of whatever it is they loved.

But they can be persuaded. It took very little time to try to steer a new Trek direction once Berman was thrown off the lot, or to junk New Coca Cola, when market forces took hold.

Hell, when the new Star Trek movie came out, I hadn't realized how long I had waited for THAT particular Trek film. Why? I guess I just didn't really think about it or let it get me all hot and bothered.

CREF above and below about "juice".

It is thus with Galactica. Of course, I've always been a fence rider, so I really don't find myself pining for any iteration of Galactica. If and when it happens, then bless the day. If it doesn't happen....well....life goes on.

Shrug. Here I discuss TACTICS. We may not get the "Galactica" that most of us expect, but there is a very good chance that this "Galactica" will be a good one. I can get behind a good "Galactica" even if it is different. Its the tactics to encourage quality that I try to address.

dilbertman
August 31st, 2009, 02:58 PM
Please, start a new thread and elaborate and share your ideas Michael !

Yes, please elaborate. Would love to see your storyboards.

Jim:thumbsup:

Reaper
August 31st, 2009, 06:48 PM
I for one Would LOVE to see Bojay introduce the Scarlet viper!

I definately think this is somethign we could get done if we were to get thigns rolling again.

But you are right, it has to be done professionally!!!

Michael, if there is anything Blackstar Squadron can do to help (501st like costume group that has just been started) Do not hesitate to ask sir.

jewels
August 31st, 2009, 07:21 PM
As this thing is going to be a reimagination, I'd like to see:

* A retention of the original mythos: the Egyptian motif, brothers of man, Earth as the 13th colony, etc.
* A retention of the core values of family, love, the power of the human spirit, and hope in the face of hopelessness.
* Robot Cylons who were developed by a reptilian race.
* A compelling story that exists on the same plane as the special effects.
* Some kick-ass action, to include space battles and hand-to-hand human/cylon combat.
* Any character named Starbuck will have a dick! ;)

I think there's loads of wiggle room there for the creatives.

I think the recent Star Trek picture is a good guide of where to go with this project.
Yes, that would be a great start. I would retain the names based on our mythology, too. Also the hints to common roots imbedded into the designs: triad's similarity to a Mayan game, the Egyptian helmet motif, the Hindi good fortune mandala in the Galactica squadron patch. The ships are just as classic as a SW star destroyer or the Enterprise: not much if any fiddling required with the exteriors. (I'm noting that even George Lucas retained his star destroyer design back into the clone wars era, so even he kept classic designs in use in current productions.)

martok2112
August 31st, 2009, 09:01 PM
That entire post made my day. Beautifully summarized -- and so VERY true.

Michael


Thanks, Michael. :):salute:

Gemini1999
August 31st, 2009, 09:29 PM
That entire post made my day. Beautifully summarized -- and so VERY true.

Michael -

I would have to agree with you there. Steve's post is one of the most sensible things in terms of summing up things as simply and honestly as possible. A lot of common sense there.

Well done Steve!

Bryan

martok2112
September 1st, 2009, 12:31 AM
Michael -

I would have to agree with you there. Steve's post is one of the most sensible things in terms of summing up things as simply and honestly as possible. A lot of common sense there.

Well done Steve!

Bryan

Thanks, Bryan. :)

I don't have many moments like this. So I'll take 'em when I can get 'em. ;)

monolith21
September 1st, 2009, 01:04 AM
I agree with a lot of what you're saying Steve. Its true, when this comes out it will only be a movie. Absolutely! Things are only what we make of them. I will say that I disagree on one aspect. The only thing that anyone can take from it is something personal.

It will absolutely be "just a movie" much like the original was just a television show. Hamlet is just a play, the White House is only a...well house, and at the end of the day Indy's Ark of the Covenant is just a pretty piece of plastic. Things only become something more when we allow them to become something more to us. They can become things of great joy, things we gain quite a bit from. Of course sources of great joy have a tendency to open the doors for the possibility of the opposite. If it means something to a person, the juice is worth the squeeze.

There is a reason why people say a great song or a good book changed their life. It did. People always like to argue about the "did it really?" or the "you're making a mountain out of a mole hill" stuff.

I take a lot of personal gain from Battlestar. It has brought friends into my life, helped me to view things a little different, and all things considered been a positive bit of storytelling that has stood a small test of time.

Anyway, I know thats not exactly what you were getting at and I don't mean to assume anything about how you may view such things. Your post just got me thinking.

Talk to you soon everyone!

martok2112
September 1st, 2009, 07:43 AM
Those are indeed some good thoughts there, amigo. :) And I can see where you're coming from on that aspect.

Indeed, that's not quite what I had in mind as far as the "taking things so personally" part. No, there's definitely sentimentality that goes along with something that's beloved in that sense.

Certainly, one's life could probably be affected by a show, or a book, or a song, or whatever medium. My life was affected by Star Trek The Next Generation. Worf was actually someone I looked up to. While I was saddened by how his character was pretty much reduced to comic relief by the time of the last two Star Trek Next Gen movies (Insurrection, Nemesis), I couldn't let that affect me so personally and get me so mad that I wanted to "dictate terms" as to what I expected of Paramount if and when they decided to do another Star Trek movie, especially in the way of handling the honorable and noble Worf. (I didn't let it destroy my overall enjoyement of the films...and indeed, Nemesis is my favorite of the Next Generation movies). Life went on, and I remembered Worf in the manner which I described. Indeed, the recent Star Trek movie, reimagining the origin story of Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the gang and the Enterprise in a way that made sense while honoring the original, turned out being the Trek movie I'd unconsciously waited for ever since I was a toddler watching classic Trek on a hand me down black and white TV.

But I've always been one who (when it comes to TV shows/movies) was interested in seeing different folks' takes on certain properties. I didn't overly endear myself to one particular version by putting all my eggs in one basket. (I'm probably one of the few who actually enjoyed the "Lost In Space" movie that was released in the late 90's.)

WARNING: This is going to turn into a long introspective post, possibly a multi-poster...so skip if anyone's disinterested. :)

(sigh.....breaking my own ruling here) (text removed to maintain forum rules :)

END PT. 1.....

martok2112
September 1st, 2009, 07:47 AM
....CONTINUED....

(text removed to maintain the rules :) )
Now....video games....that's another matter for another thread....LOL!

monolith21
September 1st, 2009, 10:16 AM
Whoa! Thats a good one...it deserves more attention than I can give to it on a break at work. I'll have to come back tonight! lol

Promus
September 1st, 2009, 06:12 PM
As this thing is going to be a reimagination, I'd like to see:

* A retention of the original mythos: the Egyptian motif, brothers of man, Earth as the 13th colony, etc.
* A retention of the core values of family, love, the power of the human spirit, and hope in the face of hopelessness.
* Robot Cylons who were developed by a reptilian race.
* A compelling story that exists on the same plane as the special effects.
* Some kick-ass action, to include space battles and hand-to-hand human/cylon combat.
* Any character named Starbuck will have a dick! ;)


Exactly!! I'd also add "Colonel Tigh will be a black man!"

I get nervous when Hatch starts talking about making this film be to BSG what the new Star Trek movie was to Star Trek. The Star Trek film was a total disaster and completely raped the franchise, retaining NOTHING from "Star Trek" besides the names. It was as much of a bastardization of Star Trek as RDM's bastardization of BSG. I realize that most of you guys might not be Star Trek fans, so you're not fully aware of just how much the new movie f*cked up Star Trek, but as a TOS Purist of the original Star Trek, let me tell you...it was like watching RTD's BSG all over again. Except with Star Trek.

Let's hope they DON'T make it like the latest Star Trek movie, otherwise we'll get yet another bastardized "Battlestar" rendition that is BSG in name only.

BST
September 1st, 2009, 07:18 PM
:ahem:

Apparently a reminder to ALL is necessary.





1. We do not discuss the Sci-Fi 2003+ production



After more than a year of diligent efforts on the part of the owners and staff to moderate discussion between fans of the two productions, in 2005 the decision was made to drop the discussion of the newer production. A full explanation of the reasons we did so can be found below.

So, Colonial Fleets returned to its founding focus: celebrating the original Battlestar Galactica, and as a voice for the return of that universe. So there will be no discussion of the newer production or any of its parts or forms. This includes any fanfic, character, sequel or spinoff productions, etc.

The sole exception to this is in our art forums. Colonial Fleets is about art, first and foremost, so if you are a CGI artist – or any other form of artist – and your inspirations are the ships of the newer production, we are happy to discuss form, technique, software, details, etc. We support art and artist and want to help an artist grow. We simply will not discuss the show they came from.




And now, a quick translation, from ME.


This thread was posted to announce a NEW Battlestar Galactica movie, that will apparently be based on the Original mythos.

This thread was posted to encourage discussion about the announcement, about the players - both potential cast and crew - as well as about what we would like to see in the movie.

This thread was NOT posted to discuss Moore's version of Battlestar Galactica, at all. Period.


Read the FAQ.
Read the Rules.
The Rules are for All.
Follow them.

Any Questions?


BST
Admin, Colonial Fleets


FYI - The thread will remain open so, please continue posting. For now, though, the thread will be under review by me.

:salute:

Promus
September 1st, 2009, 07:26 PM
Ah, fair enough. I thought we'd be able to bash it, but no discussion at all is fine of course, especially since dem's the rules.

But my point remains...the "Star Trek" movie was a bastardization of the original TV show. Let's hope that the new movie DOESN'T follow suit, despite what Hatch says.

BST
September 1st, 2009, 07:28 PM
Ah, fair enough. I thought we'd be able to bash it, but no discussion at all is fine of course, especially since dem's the rules.

But my point remains...the "Star Trek" movie was a bastardization of the original TV show. Let's hope that the new movie DOESN'T follow suit, despite what Hatch says.

Thanks for understanding.

To allow bashing and no defense would not be fair and similarly, to allow praise (or thoughtful re-collection) without alternative opinions would not be fair.

That was the intent when we ended ALL conversation about the show.

Dawg
September 1st, 2009, 08:56 PM
Ah, fair enough. I thought we'd be able to bash it, but no discussion at all is fine of course, especially since dem's the rules.

But my point remains...the "Star Trek" movie was a bastardization of the original TV show. Let's hope that the new movie DOESN'T follow suit, despite what Hatch says.

I would also request that you watch your language in the future - keep it PG, and please try to avoid the use of symbols rather than letters to get past the word filters.

As a fan of BSG, I've waited 30 years for a faithful return to that universe. Knowing what I know about Bryan Singer and how he felt about the show, and knowing what I know about how Glen Larson felt about his show, I am cautiously optimistic about what this movie might bring to the table. I'm realistic enough to know that if it is a remake it will not be locked in step with the 1978 version, and if it is a continuation of the show it will be a more complex and darker tale - but as long as it's recognizable as the universe Larson & company created in 1978 it will be BSG.

I am a purist, I suppose - I want my Adama to be a warrior-priest, my Starbuck a ladies-man rogue with a heart of gold, and my Apollo to be a straight-arrow-do-what-is-right noble soul. I want them fleeing an alien robotic menace that had been created by a dead non-human race. I want time measured in centons and microns, and costumes that don't scream Los Angeles, California.

And where it might diverge from my ideal comes in the era we live in - it's the 21st Century, after all, and our expectations of our entertainment are different than they were in 1978. And that is acceptable.

And as a purist, one who not only watched BSG first-run (and 2nd run, and 3rd run), I also watched the first Star Trek. I watched it first-run and re-runs and re-mastered and the movies and the sequel series (all of them) - and I found the newest entry into the franchise to be quintessential Star Trek. All the elements are there, but with a very Star Trek-like twist; time travel and temporal interference has been a hallmark of Trek since the beginning. So I fail to understand the venom some have spewed at Abrams and Paramount, when I see so clearly that what they have done is, indeed Star Trek.

(BTW, this thread is not the right place for a full-blown discussion about the Star Trek movie.)

I am concerned that if and when Singer and Larson make their BSG movie we're going to see similar hate and discontent spewed at them if they don't toe each and every line. Even if they do make Battlestar Galactica. I suppose there will be disappointments, but nobody is consulting me (or anyone else on these boards) as to specific story points or characterizations. If those disappointments come within what is indisputably the BSG universe, those will be minor disappointments and we should be well satisfied.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

martok2112
September 1st, 2009, 08:58 PM
Like I said, I was breaking my own ruling, and I apologize, wholeheartedly. I can strike my post if you wish. :) (And have done so....)

martok2112
September 1st, 2009, 09:09 PM
Whoa! Thats a good one...it deserves more attention than I can give to it on a break at work. I'll have to come back tonight! lol


Do not reply to any points I made, Monolith. :) Indeed, I voluntarily struck my own remarks to maintain the forum rules (which I violated).

Promus
September 2nd, 2009, 12:00 AM
but as long as it's recognizable as the universe Larson & company created in 1978 it will be BSG.

Let's hope it's more recognizable than the new Star Trek movie was recognizable as Star Trek. Which is to say, besides the uniforms...you couldn't tell it was Star Trek, The Original Series.

I am a purist, I suppose - I want my Adama to be a warrior-priest, my Starbuck a ladies-man rogue with a heart of gold, and my Apollo to be a straight-arrow-do-what-is-right noble soul. I want them fleeing an alien robotic menace that had been created by a dead non-human race. I want time measured in centons and microns, and costumes that don't scream Los Angeles, California.

I'm a purist too, and I hope they do the exact same thing. I'm also a purist of Star Trek, and seeing how the characters in the Star Trek movie were NOTHING like the way they were on the TV series, again - let's hope and pray to the Lords of Kobol that the TOS BSG film doesn't follow the footsteps of that horrible "Star Trek In Name Only" film. Let's hope that it's SOMEWHAT similar to BSG, and at least retains the essential plot elements and characters. I don't mind minor set changes or "updates" like that, but for cryin' out loud, keep the core elements and don't change them like they way Abrams changed Trek in the name of making a buck or two.

Damocles
September 2nd, 2009, 01:02 AM
Just out of curiosity, Promus, I would like to find out your views of why you object to Hatch's comment; that he would like to see the Singer project revitalize "Galactica", the way Adams revitalized Star Trek. But to do that we must discuss that movie, and I propose we do that Adams discussion here (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17185) so that we can keep this topic for the Singer project.

D.

monolith21
September 2nd, 2009, 02:23 AM
Do not reply to any points I made, Monolith. :) Indeed, I voluntarily struck my own remarks to maintain the forum rules (which I violated).

No prob man. :salute:

TwoBrainedCylon
September 2nd, 2009, 03:32 AM
Given the irritation of the mods, I think its best I follow my friend Jim and step out of this thread as well.

My best to all,


Russell

Promus
September 2nd, 2009, 02:53 PM
Just out of curiosity, Promus, I would like to find out your views of why you object to Hatch's comment; that he would like to see the Singer project revitalize "Galactica", the way Abrams revitalized Star Trek.

Because "revitalizing BSG the way Abrams revitalized Trek" would mean messing up BSG as much as Abrams totally raped the original Star Trek series in the name of making a couple of bucks for his "movie." I don't want to see BSG get messed up AGAIN, so I sincerely hope that they don't do to BSG what Abrams did to the original Star Trek TV show.

Damocles
September 2nd, 2009, 03:12 PM
Because "revitalizing BSG the way Abrams revitalized Trek" would mean messing up BSG as much as Abrams totally raped the original Star Trek series in the name of making a couple of bucks for his "movie." I don't want to see BSG get messed up AGAIN, so I sincerely hope that they don't do to BSG what Abrams did to the original Star Trek TV show.

Well, that is the opinion; but it doesn't tell me why you came to that opinion. Once again, I invite you here (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17185) to discuss why that example is a failure for a possible retelling of Trek, as you saw it. We cannot really discuss it here as this is for the Singer project.

With respect.

monolith21
September 2nd, 2009, 11:48 PM
While checking out some of the photos from the 2001 production, I got to thinking. I really do hope they pull some of that material and revisit it. Some of the designs weren't quite there in my opinion...but starting from there with a completely new production schedule they could really knock it out of the park!

Aussie Warrior
September 7th, 2009, 01:00 AM
I liked what i seen in the 2001 concept pictures and i don't think theres any harm in dusting them off and do some more work on them.

On the plus side, after seeing David Kerin animation of the Galactica bridge with modern computer designs inserted, it is quite easy to change the bridge to have new computer technology yet completely maintain it's shape and feel of the original series without having to make it look like the more recent take on Galactica.

Aphrodite
September 7th, 2009, 03:58 PM
Aussie Warrior, you should see what they're saying on GBBS about this.

Benedict
September 7th, 2009, 04:08 PM
I suddenly debated joining that forum. Maybe later :)

My thoughts on the movie remained mixed but hopeful.

Aussie Warrior
September 7th, 2009, 04:14 PM
GBBS, I keep forgetting about that place anyway i think some of the members reasoning is because GBBS is 98% based on the 2004-09 show with the original and G1980 taking up the last percent or two so the level of unhappiness is expected.

I have noticed around forums that people are saying Singer has too much on his plate and Galactica will be the loser as he puts interest in the other productions he has been signed up for, hope that will not be the case.

Aphrodite
September 7th, 2009, 04:28 PM
GBBS, I keep forgetting about that place anyway i think some of the members reasoning is because GBBS is 98% based on the 2004-09 show with the original and G1980 taking up the last percent or two so the level of unhappiness is expected.

I have noticed around forums that people are saying Singer has too much on his plate and Galactica will be the loser as he puts interest in the other productions he has been signed up for, hope that will not be the case.

I'm just tired of people saying that myself.

He's going to do it, people.

Aussie Warrior
September 7th, 2009, 06:48 PM
I hope Singer puts in those 2001 Viper designs the aborted TV continuation had, they looked reasonably cool while still maintaining the look of the traditional Viper

monolith21
September 7th, 2009, 11:16 PM
Not to mention the sheer size of those ships. They looked a good deal bigger than the original Viper. Closer to the size of a jet fighter! I know they're not for everyone but I'd like to see those designs or something similar.

Here's a question for you. CG Cylons or Suits?

martok2112
September 7th, 2009, 11:32 PM
Not to mention the sheer size of those ships. They looked a good deal bigger than the original Viper. Closer to the size of a jet fighter! I know they're not for everyone but I'd like to see those designs or something similar.

Here's a question for you. CG Cylons or Suits?

I agree that the starfighters should be bigger. Look at an F-14 Tomcat. At one point, that was the largest fighter plane in the world, and easily outsizes a Colonial Viper.

As for the Cylons....I prefer CG Cylons. They can be made to look more menacingly mechanical than a guy in a suit.

Aussie Warrior
September 7th, 2009, 11:55 PM
It's a tough question, I wasn't impressed with the CG Cylons in the 04-09 series looked a little obvious they were CG but live Action ones have that menace factor.

Perhaps the original Cylons be made real and the upgraded models be CG if possible if they can match the physical models correctly.

I like it how it was mentioned in the 2001 story idea that there wasn't an abundence of Starfighters available because the Galactica and the Colonials would only have limited supplies to build the things even if they settled on New Caprica i think Civilisation would of taken priority over military needs while the Cylons would have unlimited supplies to research, build and manufacture new ships and Cylon models.

Damocles
September 8th, 2009, 11:35 AM
General comments: [opinion]

The Vipers depend on the master studio model and have to be scaled to what the budget is and what the scale decided for the Human:1/1 model shots will be. An F-14 is HUGE (think B-17 or a DC-6). The Vipers were about the size of a WW I SPAD!

The cost of CGI hasn't gone down. Maybe it would be cheaper to dress up the Centurions as suited puppets? Just asking as I expect that a stuntman is quicker and cheaper than a process shot.

I don't know if Singer exactly handles his projects by delegation like LucAss(TM.) does, but it could be that he will farm out the writing for Galactica and hire a production team to run it under his banner until he's ready to personally produce, a la Spielberg. That would not be bad as Spielberg's approach has produced a huge series of hits for him (as well as a few duds.) Spielberg tries to be careful, and in the one or two projects Singer has farmed out, he seems to follow that Spielberg model.

D.

Damocles
September 9th, 2009, 07:35 AM
What is the one thing in CBSG, that you would like to see improved in the Singer movie?

Benedict
September 9th, 2009, 07:42 AM
one from the original series I'd liked to see improved are the space battles/dogfights. I know there were reasons, but after a few episodes you can get tired of the same shots of Vipers, exploding Cylons etc.

:holy:

Kronus
September 9th, 2009, 10:26 AM
one from the original series I'd liked to see improved are the space battles/dogfights. I know there were reasons, but after a few episodes you can get tired of the same shots of Vipers, exploding Cylons etc.

:holy:Oh yes totally agree, this is a must.

I would like to see more of the other wings and pilots that are stationed on the Galactica. Nothing in too much detail but to show that there are more vipers and pilots than a few dozen...show a variety of pilots and wings in the officer's mess.

Get a better view on what it looks like on a Cylon Basestar along with their hierarchy.

A more understanding of their background history and how it ties in to the lost cultures of Earth would be nice but this may need to be address in a series vice the movie...but heck, I'm throwing this out there anyways.

What I would NOT like to see is that they have found or do find Earth. I would hope that they would leave it open for another movie or TV type series.

Athene
September 9th, 2009, 10:49 AM
Film rights now with Universal.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i7fa7a60767d78439fd3baf5904a8e717

Just read that link.
My response if this does indeed go through as planned....
It's about frackin' time! :D
May The Lords of Kobol make it a reality. ;)

Westy
September 24th, 2009, 08:46 AM
Huh another rumor again? i'll believe it when i see it! well is there any verifiable truth to this? should i get excited?

Gemini1999
September 24th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Huh another rumor again? i'll believe it when i see it! well is there any verifiable truth to this? should i get excited?

Westy -

You really should read back a bit. There IS a project in development with both Glen Larson and Bryan Singer. It's not just a rumor. You can check the IMDB.com profiles for both of them and it's listed.

Bryan

Westy
September 24th, 2009, 09:00 AM
Westy -

...with both Glen Larson and Bryan Singer...

Bryan

Singer good, Larson bad. 2 words - Walking Vipers. Btw hi everyone! long time no see!

Promus
September 24th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Singer good, Larson bad.

Why do you consider Larson's influence to be a bad thing?

Kronus
September 24th, 2009, 07:58 PM
Why do you consider Larson's influence to be a bad thing?

Good question...:/:

Dawg
September 24th, 2009, 08:52 PM
There is a memo that has been circulated for quite a while that came from what I understand was a planning session for the 2nd season (the season that never happened). That document detailed a few ideas Papa Larson had - which included walking vipers, making Apollo into a hedonist and Starbuck become the steady one, and the elimination of characters many of us came to see as key to the story - or at least became personal favorites.

It probably would have been horrible had these ideas come to pass.

As I like to point out, however, we have no way of knowing how much of that document, if any of it, would have survived to air. The show got canceled before there was any opportunity to refine what may very well have been just a brainstorming session.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Promus
September 24th, 2009, 09:33 PM
There is a memo that has been circulated for quite a while that came from what I understand was a planning session for the 2nd season (the season that never happened).

Oh yeah, that thing...I thought that might be what he was talking about when he doubted Larson's ability to bring forth a good product, but I wasn't sure. It happens, though; the creator of a show will lose their touch, or sell out, or that sort of thing. Just look at George Lucas, or how Roddenberry gave control of Star Trek over to people who formed it to their own vision and completely changed it from what it was supposed to be originally.

monolith21
September 24th, 2009, 09:35 PM
Yeah, Terry McDonnell and Jim Carlson went over those ideas at Galaction '03. Most were pretty bad. It definitely reads like a brainstorming session. Toward the end it started to come together a bit. They were going to bring in Isaac Asimov as a consultant. That would have been pretty cool!