What We Missed

kingfish · April 9th, 2005, 05:56 PM

http://battlestargalactica.com/hatchvision.htm

There are several galeries there. Take a GOOD look. Yes we were fracked beyond fracked. Hatch's Vision or Desanto's? Take your pick both honor os. I could go on but it would be beating a long dead horse and many shattered dreams.

Dawg · April 9th, 2005, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the link, Paul.

I am
Dawg

Lara · April 10th, 2005, 01:26 AM

I actually can't describe my feelings after following this link,

Oh what could have been!!! It fires the passions and I still yearn for justice for this project.

yet,

why is the BSG Second Coming heading in the new series script ,
and why, oh, why, doe the text use the dreaded cheesey word? These two things are like a stake in my heart.

As I said, I cannot articulate my feelings...they are so mixed.

Lara

Senmut · April 10th, 2005, 05:11 AM

They say "cheesy" because they lack any real depth to their criticism.

julix · April 10th, 2005, 01:22 PM

I saw the trailer as last year's con.................It was sooooooooooo cool!!!!!!!!!!!

Fragmentary · April 11th, 2005, 12:30 AM

Cool link. It's nice that people who haven't seen the trailer now have some idea of what everyone has been refering to all this time.

Tanky · April 11th, 2005, 03:14 AM

Sorry to sound rude, but I dont see what all the fuss is from these screenshots. They dont seem to be all that great. In fact they look rather run of the mill, the kind of thing that doesnt get far. Must be the emotional side Im missing. The story too sounds pretty predictable. Again, sorry if you find that insulting, just calling it as I see it.

amberstar · April 11th, 2005, 03:19 AM

Thanks for the link Kingfish.

It would have been wonderful.......I really liked Hatch's version better than desantos, but either would have been a good continuation.

Just think we were so close........

AJMarks · April 11th, 2005, 07:39 AM

Tanky,
Just remember that a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into bringing BSG back to television. A lot of these people were huge fans of the original. They knew that you could not put the original cast back in their original roles, but you could bring in new people along with the original cast. The Hatch and Desantos versions were what they were looking for when Moore stepped into the picture and did his reversion which basically turned a nose to what many had wanted.

As for storylines, I would have rather had Hatch or Desantos' storylines compared to Moore's. Personally I would have like to know what happened to the Galactica and her fleet. What new enemies and allies would they make. That's something I wish Moore would put in, some aliens. But he seems to be typical Hollywood to me and I've really begun to dislike Hollywood in the past couple of years.

I'll stop here before I begin to rant too much about that and we get off topic.

bsg1fan1975 · April 11th, 2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AJMarks

Tacky,
Just remember that a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into bringing BSG back to television. A lot of these people were huge fans of the original. They knew that you could not put the original cast back in their original roles, but you could bring in new people along with the original cast. The Hatch and Desantos versions were what they were looking for when Moore stepped into the picture and did his reversion which basically turned a nose to what many had wanted.

As for storylines, I would have rather had Hatch or Desantos' storylines compared to Moore's. Personally I would have like to know what happened to the Galactica and her fleet. What new enemies and allies would they make. That's something I wish Moore would put in, some aliens. But he seems to be typical Hollywood to me and I've really begun to dislike Hollywood in the past couple of years.

I'll stop here before I begin to rant too much about that and we get off topic.

My thoughts exactly!

Gemini1999 · April 11th, 2005, 12:37 PM

I know that I came into the game kind of late and was only semi-aware of the revival efforts when Richard originally proposed his version, but that was before Larson proposed his and Tom DeSanto as well.

I love looking at these concepts and I do realize how close we all were to having a new series with a continuation theme in it... I would have been happy with any of these even if they weren't 100 percent to my liking. What show really meets everyone's expectations anyway.

Maybe it's just me, but I try to look at those concepts as really great ideas that never got realized, instead of a "we almost had it all" way of thinking. It just seems to be too regretful for me. As someone once, said: "Regrets are the past crippling us in the present". The passage of time only moves forward and so must we along with it.

It is still fun to look at this stuff every now and again....!

Best,
Bryan

Eric Paddon · April 11th, 2005, 01:16 PM

To be honest, I can not even bring myself to look at what's on the other end of that link, because all it would do is reopen the feelings of anger and betrayal over what ultimately happened.

kingfish · April 11th, 2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanky

Sorry to sound rude, but I dont see what all the fuss is from these screenshots. They dont seem to be all that great. In fact they look rather run of the mill, the kind of thing that doesnt get far. Must be the emotional side Im missing. The story too sounds pretty predictable. Again, sorry if you find that insulting, just calling it as I see it.

Tanky they couldn't have been that bad since SONY WAS GIVING HATCH BETWEEN 60 TO 80 MILLION TO MAKE THIS VISION.

Tanky · April 11th, 2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AJMarks

That's something I wish Moore would put in, some aliens. But he seems to be typical Hollywood to me

I would have thought typical Hollywood would have lots of aliens

? If you compare the number of space movies with aliens to the number without, Im sure the "with aliens" would win hands down. In fact, I can't think off the top of my head another space scifi without aliens. So much for RDM being Hollywood atypical. I found it refreshing to have a space series with no aliens for a change, espeically the illogical humanoids (why are there so many humanoids out there

)

60 to 80 million he got for this, KF??? I thought I read that he had gotten fans on PII's do the effects, to save on costs due to a limited buget??? What was he spending that money on then, if he even had that much??? The effects in those screenshots weren't million dollar shots. For that much money (say a quater of it to be conserative) he could have had just under Star Wars or Star Trek TNG movies quality. I hope you mean Sony was going to give him that money for the actually movie, which begs another question? If the moneys ready where is this movie? Maybe your blind fanship is just see greatness where it doesnt lie? You want it to be good, so you assume it is without critically evaluating it.

Also your arguement of lots of money = good outcome can be disproved by numerous squeals to great movies that turned out felgercarb dispite vast amounts of money being thrown at them. Money has nothing to do with quality of outcome. Blair Witch was made on a shoestring budget but was a huge success. Go figure.

Eric good call, dont visit it. Its better to remember TOS in its former glory, not as some dead hope.

Lara · April 12th, 2005, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanky

60 to 80 million he got for this, KF???

Not spent on it, but lined up because of it.

There's a lot of history behind the HUGE effort that went into that self funded trailer: fan contribution, peppercorn fees, and a house mortgage, etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanky

I hope you mean Sony was going to give him that money for the actually movie, which begs another question? If the moneys ready where is this movie? Maybe your blind fanship is just see greatness where it doesnt lie? You want it to be good, so you assume it is without critically evaluating it.

The issue was with who owns the rights. A big enough problem on its own

Non BSG fan friends of mine who saw the trailer at a con in Melbourne the first time Richard bought it to OZ were hugely impressed. You'll have to take my word for it, but these people are very scifi literate and not easily impressed.

While I admit I would be emotionally invested beyond the normal sci fi fan, I know significant praise has come from people with the emotional IQ to be able to look at it rationally.

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Originally Posted by Tanky

Eric good call, dont visit it. Its better to remember TOS in its former glory, not as some dead hope.

Semantics, here, but the trailer is not TOS. We know that. The promise of Richard's project may be past, as is DeSanto's but TOS isn't therefore some dead hope.
Enjoy your RDM Re imagined version, that is you right, but don't willfully poke sticks at those of us who feel deeply for something you have little regard for, and obviously don't like doing any research about.

If I sound bitter, remember it is a subject that touches some people VERY deeply, and try not to take it personally, just as I try not to take your posts personally.

Regards,
Lara

Tanky · April 12th, 2005, 04:08 AM

Lara,
I do not take your post personally of course, and I respect your opinion, and I thank you for your polite responce to mine. I stand by what I said and will continue to do so. I guess though there was a hidden agenda too. That anger in your gut you felt as you read my post is the same I feel every time someone attacks a show I love. Now Lara I'm not accusing you personally of anything, you just happen to be the first to respond to my blantened attack, so again nothing personal.

Again I can only call it as I see it.

Lara · April 12th, 2005, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanky

That anger in your gut you felt as you read my post is the same I feel every time someone attacks a show I love.

My anger came from my perception that you are quick with the opinion and slow with the research.
Why say things that are sure to hurt TOS fans, when you are not in possession of even the majority of the facts?
Then I have to make a decision about your motive: was it really an attack to get the dogs barking? Or was it just ill informed and you really would like to know?

Then I have to temper my reaction before we get into a shouting match.

Its a lot of work

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanky

Now Lara I'm not accusing you personally of anything, you just happen to be the first to respond to my blantened attack, so again nothing personal.

Good. I don't like sh*t fights. With anyone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanky

Again I can only call it as I see it.

And so can I.
Enjoy your RDM Re imagined version, that is you right, but don't willfully poke sticks at those of us who feel deeply for something you have little regard for, and obviously don't like doing any research about.

Cheers,
Lara

AJMarks · April 12th, 2005, 05:49 AM

Tanky,
Sorry, it was a spelling error on my part, I went and fixed it.

AJ

kingfish · April 12th, 2005, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanky

I would have thought typical Hollywood would have lots of aliens

? If you compare the number of space movies with aliens to the number without, Im sure the "with aliens" would win hands down. In fact, I can't think off the top of my head another space scifi without aliens. So much for RDM being Hollywood atypical. I found it refreshing to have a space series with no aliens for a change, espeically the illogical humanoids (why are there so many humanoids out there

)

60 to 80 million he got for this, KF??? I thought I read that he had gotten fans on PII's do the effects, to save on costs due to a limited buget??? What was he spending that money on then, if he even had that much??? The effects in those screenshots weren't million dollar shots. For that much money (say a quater of it to be conserative) he could have had just under Star Wars or Star Trek TNG movies quality. I hope you mean Sony was going to give him that money for the actually movie, which begs another question? If the moneys ready where is this movie? Maybe your blind fanship is just see greatness where it doesnt lie? You want it to be good, so you assume it is without critically evaluating it.

Also your arguement of lots of money = good outcome can be disproved by numerous squeals to great movies that turned out felgercarb dispite vast amounts of money being thrown at them. Money has nothing to do with quality of outcome. Blair Witch was made on a shoestring budget but was a huge success. Go figure.

Eric good call, dont visit it. Its better to remember TOS in its former glory, not as some dead hope.

And its Tanky not Tacky, or have we reduced to name calling?

Well considering the fact that hatch's trailer was done by some of the same folks that worked on nu BG says tons. Talented people participated. A few are even on this bb. On the 60 to 80 million, this was if Hatch secured the rights to Galactica. Some people stated they were doing things with the property and not a thing occured. Hatch put his money where his mouth is and DID something irking "People" to no end.

Eris · April 12th, 2005, 08:50 AM

Tanky,

Space sci-fi show without aliens...Joss Whedon's Firefly.

Another excellent show that ended way too soon...

The link looked interesting. Is there more information in the TOS section of this site?

SWCrusader · April 12th, 2005, 01:44 PM

Because of Firefly's huge sales on DVD Whedon got a movie deal - so keep an eye out for that.

SWCrusader · April 12th, 2005, 01:52 PM

Hey,

Never was a huge fan of the original, but I certainly respect Hatch's attempt (and the fan support) that got the trailer made. I know there were issues regarding the release of the trailer prior to the new show, but is there any chance of being able to see it now? While I love the new show, I am certainly enough to appreciate a different vision of what might have been.

Dawg · April 12th, 2005, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SWCrusader

Hey,

Never was a huge fan of the original, but I certainly respect Hatch's attempt (and the fan support) that got the trailer made. I know there were issues regarding the release of the trailer prior to the new show, but is there any chance of being able to see it now? While I love the new show, I am certainly enough to appreciate a different vision of what might have been.

Not in the near future, SWC, unless you're near a convention where Richard is appearing. He's limited to showing it at personal appearances because of union rules and copyright issues.

That may change in the future, but for right now...

I am
Dawg