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April 6th, 2005, 06:22 AM
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G-80 is NOT a continuation
For anyone that thinks G-80 is a continuation of the original, think again.
Last ep of the original, "Hand of God", shows an Earth broadcast that happened in 1969 our time (we don't know *when* the Galactica received that signal either, but it couldn't be before 1969 *our* time).
First ep of G-80, they arrived at Earth... 20 years later after the events of "Hand of God".
1980 minus 1969 does not equal 20 years  It's only 11.
Therefore, G-80 cannot be a continuation, but rather, like nuBG, takes place in a seperate continuity, AKA a seperate universe.
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April 6th, 2005, 06:51 AM
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Ha, but the fleet could have time travelled by going through a wormhole or some other sub-space anomaly!
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April 6th, 2005, 08:56 AM
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I've always thought of B-80 as a dream. I never really got into that series and there for I think that in the original BSG timeline Earth is several decades, maybe centuries ahead of where we are right now. I consider the signal of the Earth broadcast as an ancient signal and that when the Galactica and her fleet arrive at Earth they will see a technicially advanced civilization.
Just my $0.02.
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April 6th, 2005, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AJMarks
I've always thought of B-80 as a dream.
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Yes, a really bad dream...
G-80 was pretty much destined to fail from the start, because it was really the product of a network committee. It kept all of the failings of BSG, and lost most of what made BSG great.
I haven't seen an ep since they originally aired. I have decided I need to get them, just to complete the collection, but...do I actually have to watch them again?
I agree, Warrior. I veiw G-80 as an "alternate timeline" and don't count it as a continuation. HOG was the last episode of Galactica.
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April 6th, 2005, 09:47 AM
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I think we're getting into too much historical analysis of what is canon or fiction or whatever...
I think of G-80 as a horribly bad show and prefer to forget about it if a continuation is made. Very simple and easy to do....
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April 6th, 2005, 11:32 AM
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Hi -
Only thing is I really liked "The Return of Starbuck". And if I want to keep this episode, don't I have to keep all those other ones too?
just wondering...
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April 6th, 2005, 11:40 AM
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The signal from '69 would also need time to travel, assuming conventional physics.
So yes, a "faithful continuation" would have to explain away the signal, or find Earth much later in history.
The way relativistic time distortion would work assuming the fleet could not travel faster than light, but could get close, would mean time moves slower on the fleet than in the outside world.
Was it a "continuation," I say yes, but with flaws.
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April 7th, 2005, 04:10 AM
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As for my 2 cubits I am going with the majority here and stand up with them that G-80 was not a continuation. It gave no resolution to the events of TOS, so how could it be a continuation? We only saw a selected few characters from TOS in G-80 and some things were skipped over instead of being explained out as they should have been for it to be considered a continuation, like what happened to Apollo between the end of TOs and the beginning of G-80 and so on and so forth!
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April 7th, 2005, 09:12 AM
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I hate to burst everybody's bubble but Galactica 1980 is a continuation of the original series. The Galactica however made a wrong turn at the Third Rock From The Sun. 
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April 7th, 2005, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by kingfish
I hate to burst everybody's bubble but Galactica 1980 is a continuation of the original series. The Galactica however made a wrong turn at the Third Rock From The Sun. 
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Galactica 1980 was obviously a Continuation. The fact that it sucked for a large part is a separate issue. I am with Kingfish on this one.
Pointing out writing inconsistencies in TOS or BG80 doesn't change what it was. The fact that it exist doesn't mean we can't ignore it either. Any future continuation can do whatever it wants.
Based on known physics it would be impossible to believe that Earth was not nearby the 12 colonies and the cylon empire based on the original post. As such the entire quest for a distant Earth is a farce. Sometimes it's better to let some things pass on by. I don't need this explained anymore than I need an explanation for the visible wires the hold Apollo in space during the Fire in Space episode. A rational explanation of the wires is that we are not seeing reality but merely a television show from another world but that is boring so lets just say that the various writing and special effects snafus are simply writing and special effects snafus.
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April 7th, 2005, 11:42 AM
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Actually, the fact that it exists does not mean we can not ignore it. You simply ignore it and leave it at that because there is no reason to acknowledge it except for the purpose of trying to make a true continuation more difficult by focusing on what should be a non-issue.
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April 7th, 2005, 11:49 AM
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I agree with Antelope and Kingfish on this one.
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April 7th, 2005, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Paddon
Actually, the fact that it exists does not mean we can not ignore it. You simply ignore it and leave it at that because there is no reason to acknowledge it except for the purpose of trying to make a true continuation more difficult by focusing on what should be a non-issue.
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I think G-80 is a non-issue. We are free to ignore it. Most of us do.
Note: I actually like three of the G-80 episodes. My biggest beefs with G-80 was when they gave the colonials "superpowers" and later the time travel episodes.
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April 7th, 2005, 01:03 PM
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In my view...at the time I first watched it, Galactica 1980 WAS a continuation, and I accepted it, as there was nothing else on TV.
However, now that I have engaged in discussions about it, and other continuations have sprung up, I accept it less as the Continuation I would like.
Before Richard Hatch's efforts, and Tom DeSantos etc etc, G-80 was the only Continuation. Now it seems like it is one of many. Now I choose to accept Richard Hatch's efforts as my choice of Continuation.
Had Richard, Tom etc never made this Continuation efforts, I would still regard G-80 as the Continuation of The Original Series.
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April 7th, 2005, 02:34 PM
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As a continuation, it was so anticipated.. I remember the buzz on a new series, new Eps of BSG, and assuming it was going to be more of the same, and then the utter dismay and crushing disappointment at what we got.
Even the return of Starbuck was a disappointmnet. Granted it was the most watchable, but that was becos it was Dirk as Starbuck and it was doing "emeny, mine", but the whole Angela thing, and Dr Zee as the offspring? Just as much sense was MIA in this one as the other eps with the superscouts or the time travel. I remember being offended at the majority of the original cast being ditched, and the often silliness of the reporter girly who was too formula.
It was consigned to the same place in my mind as other shows I didn't like.
But I don't hate it.
I understood the reasons why (Hell fires wait for certain TV network execs..) but mourned the loss.
I realise now it has compounded my reaction to TNS, as it touches emotional reactions from my teenaged years.
I can't see how you would get a credible, interesting and modern peice of Scifi out of picking up on the G80 plot changes/lines.
The only way I could see it integrating is if you start there and time travel back to before the discovery of Earth and change time so its not found in that way.. and have the original cast survive whatever killed them. That could have been done in 81 or 82, but everyone is too old, or has departed this life to even do this scenario credibly.
Sadly, for G80 fans, I think that the Larson reimagining needs to be sidestepped for a continuation from the first series. There was plenty of healthy plot there (to use a gardening analogy: take it back to healthy wood when you do a rejuvination pruning program..)
After all, it wouldn't be the first time in TV history that plot alleys had been backtracked.
Cheers,
Lara
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April 7th, 2005, 02:37 PM
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G-80 is more of a bad stutter step.
It tried to continue, had one good step with Return of Starbuck, but ultimately failed.
Respectfully,
Martok2112
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April 7th, 2005, 03:18 PM
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Sadly, for G80 fans,
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You have found some?
With me liking three episodes I thought I was G80s best fan!
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April 7th, 2005, 03:33 PM
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Has anyone kept track of the dialogue missteps in the original?
Like the use of the term "galaxy" which would leave the RTF quite a long way away indeed!
I don't think you will ever reconcile sf programming to anything realistic.
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April 7th, 2005, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrior
1980 minus 1969 does not equal 20 years  It's only 11.
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Yes, but what's that in yahrens? 
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April 7th, 2005, 05:54 PM
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1980 minus 1969 does not equal 20 years  It's only 11 equals the same math as
1980 minus 1969 does not equal 20 yahrens  It's only 11.
For those saying it is a continuation, then explain that. Those years are fact, as shown ON TV.
So show fact that absolutely shows it is a continuation.
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April 7th, 2005, 06:24 PM
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Shown on TV in a fictional show.
It was in the script for them to find Earth in 1980, to "continue" the cancelled 78-79 show.
Now, if they were indeed in a different galaxy, and never could exceed light speed, then using real world physics, the whole thing happened in the distant future, and they will not find Earth until the very distant future.
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April 7th, 2005, 08:27 PM
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With all due respect, ...
Although it shows a minimum of original show actors reprising their characters - in the case of Boomer, with a promotion to Colonel, Galactica 1980 qualifies as a continuation of the Original show as the events portrayed were of a time period AFTER those portrayed in the Original show, mathematical analysis notwithstanding.
Some like the show and some do not like those events but, they exist. The only way to discard those happenings is to have another continuation effort over-write those events much like Dallas did with Pam's "dream".

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April 7th, 2005, 10:43 PM
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Ah... but for all we know, early BG-80 had SIMILAR adventures to what osBG had.
Nothing has shown me these are the same people.
Mirror universe Spock had a beard.
G-80 universe Adama had a beard.
Both universes are evil 
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April 8th, 2005, 08:29 AM
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If one can't see that G80 is a continuation there is no sense arguing with them. This is the ultimate proof in the Battlestar world that people see what they want to say.
As mentioned earlier saying G-80 is a Continuation in no way implies it was a quality, well written, or preferred continuation. You are also free to ignore it when you make another continuation.
I think sometimes we loose sight that this is a television show, not real history as discovered by historians and archeologist.
You don't need to explain every flaw in G-80, TOS, or TNS for that matter. These are television shows written by modern Earth bound people who make continuity errors, plot holes, and probably know less about the product than the posters here.
The only explanation you need is sloppy or weak writing on the part of television writers who never cared a second that some people on the internet would be talking about their show 25 years later.
If we are ever lucky enough to get another TOS Continuation I hope they don't waste a second trying to explain G80.
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April 8th, 2005, 10:30 AM
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Mirror universe Spock had a beard.
G-80 universe Adama had a beard.
Both universes are evil 
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Your logic is hysterical. Both universes are evil... :lol:
I think what antelope said is true: whether you consider G80 a continuation or not, (points to mirror above and giggles again, its just so much funnier than GAL's nightmare explanation for G80) whichever you consider it, the events don't have to be taken into continuity with your continuation if you don't want them to be.
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April 8th, 2005, 02:14 PM
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... the events don't have to be taken into continuity with your continuation if you don't want them to be.
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Yes, most definitely. The pen is mightier than the timeline. 
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April 8th, 2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrior
Ah... but for all we know, early BG-80 had SIMILAR adventures to what osBG had.
Nothing has shown me these are the same people.
Mirror universe Spock had a beard.
G-80 universe Adama had a beard.
Both universes are evil 
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I remember the skit on radio Galactica as G-1980 being a nightmare Apollo had. 
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April 8th, 2005, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfish
I hate to burst everybody's bubble but Galactica 1980 is a continuation of the original series. The Galactica however made a wrong turn at the Third Rock From The Sun. 
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April 8th, 2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Antelope
You have found some?
With me liking three episodes I thought I was G80s best fan!
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I sort of think of them as dark matter: logic says they are there, but they aren't visible to the naked eye
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Originally Posted by Antelope
I think sometimes we loose sight that this is a television show, not real history as discovered by historians and archeologist.
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I contend that the analytical prowess (aka nitpicking ability) of your average historian is NOTHING to that of a scifi fan on his/her favourite topic
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Originally Posted by Antelope
You don't need to explain every flaw in G-80, TOS, or TNS for that matter. These are television shows written by modern Earth bound people who make continuity errors, plot holes, and probably know less about the product than the posters here.
The only explanation you need is sloppy or weak writing on the part of television writers who never cared a second that some people on the internet would be talking about their show 25 years later.
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OK, old shows, written pre internet are exempted, but If there is one thing writers of modern scifi should have worked out by NOW is that fandom does care about the small stuff. I guess some of them are slow learners  ..
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If we are ever lucky enough to get another TOS Continuation I hope they don't waste a second trying to explain G80.
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Amen to that!!
Cheers,
Lara
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April 17th, 2005, 01:49 AM
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Repeat after me........
Damocles here
G80 does not exist.(1000Xs) 
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