Moore says mini is just the start

thomas7g · October 25th, 2003, 02:52 AM

Moore said that he sees the mini as just the first two nights of his story. He has more intended.

oldwardaggit · October 25th, 2003, 04:30 AM

Good grief! as Charlie Brown would say.

Did he get any grief after announcing this ?

OWD

October 25th, 2003, 09:54 AM

Good god. Can't he just keep it to himself.

amberstar · October 25th, 2003, 02:07 PM

The night mare isn't over after the mini???

Dawg · October 25th, 2003, 02:21 PM

I would hope the operable word there is "intentions". Intensions do not fill videotape or film or spend like dollars.

He may intend to fly unaided, too.

His intentions regarding this mini may be for naught come December 9.

I am
Dawg

thomas7g · October 26th, 2003, 01:24 AM

The crowd that attended the con was EXTREMELY proffesional in attitude. You would be proud of them. They didn't behave as a gang or a mob. When he showed his trailer, everyone clapped and gave him applause. And they laughed at his jokes and gave him respect.

We did however repeatedly tell him that we didn't like the new ideas and that the old cast still looks great and they had an unmatched chemistry, and a quality as a unit that can't be topped by anyone!

The crowded behaved nobly. it was alot more courteous than I was expecting. We didn't like his new stuff outside of the special effects and Edward James Olmos (he was good) but at the same time we always behaved with civility.

btw- even if I had never seen galactica in my life I would have to say EJO was good, and the acting in that poker game scene was very unapealing. Not unless you are a jerry Springer fan and like pointless fighting.

A colonel (tigh) in a poker game calling his subordinate "Staaaaarrrbuk-bukbuk!" (like a chicken) for no real reason, was very Lame. it was then Starbuck made the wife comment that set him throwing a table aside and her throwing a punch.

Krystal · October 26th, 2003, 01:13 PM

I hope his intended Galactica stories don't get anywhere. Because is that is the case probably Batlestar Galactica is death and buried. Why can't he get the message and do something productive about it.

Krystal

Charybdis · October 27th, 2003, 08:18 AM

I was hoping that absolutely no one would show up for his panel...

October 27th, 2003, 02:00 PM

What happened with the popcorn thing? Just wondering how it went over.

Mark

Rally · October 27th, 2003, 06:58 PM

I have to give Moore credit, he's not afraid to face the fire. I thought his comment about saying he felt like that scene in PATTON where he comes out to face the 3rd Army and says he is "standing here before you so you can see whether or not I am as big a sonofabitch as you think I am"

I thought that comment was appropriate and kinda broke the tension.

Moore was unapologetic and I give him credit for being straightforward. When one fan asked if he was willing to change his BSG drastically based on fan input, he flat out said no, he would not. He said he was being straight and not going to blow smoke up anyone's ass. The story of the new BSG series would be what we would see in the upcoming BSG miniseries.

I could have done without one fan getting up and, in my opinion, embarrassing the actors by pointing them out and urging Moore to use them by saying "they can actually act" or "they still look good!" Come on, the ship has already sailed on this BSG project, its too late to try to convince Moore about what he SHOULD have done. (If I was one of the BSG actors, I would have wanted to crawl under a chair)

Thankfully Richard Hatch saved the day and made a gracious statement directly to Ron Moore saying that he knew through his experience putting together THE SECOND COMING trailer, just how hard it is to put something like this together. He said he respected Moore's efforts and wished him well, but that he was "too close" to his own project to be objective at this point in time.

I have always liked and respected Moore's work, but I flat out disagree with him about this project. Still, I give him credit for facing the fire. That doesn't mean I'm required to like what HE is doing.

Starbuck · October 28th, 2003, 06:06 AM

The actors went to RDM's panel?!

Who else besides Richard?

Belloby · October 28th, 2003, 04:21 PM

I wouldn't talk so confidently if I was him. 1980 proved that Galactica cannot survive without its original cast and he's an IDIOT to try to do a remake. I don't care how many years, how many generations, have passed. Parents who are now Galactica fans will not let their children watch 2003, I can tell you that.

As far as Moore is concerned, he is very fortunate to have very "polite" fans at Galacticon. But then I think he expected that. Galactica fans are among the nicest SF fans you'll ever meet and that's well known.

Bottom line, I don't think he would've spoke that harshly to Star Trek fans.

Warriors, it's time we took off the diplomatic gloves and "Go Trek" on him.

michaelfaries · October 28th, 2003, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Starbuck
The actors went to RDM's panel?! Who else besides Richard?

Terry Carter was two rows in front of Richard; Jack Stauffer was one row in front (and a few seats to the side) from Richard. When Ronald D. Moore actually paid a compliment to Richard, Terry led the standing ovation. I watched it as it happened. And Terry REALLY clapped hard while nodding to Richard. It was very moving.

Mr. Moore does deserve praise for being gracious to Richard.

Most everyone else was upstairs with Glen Larson in the bar/lounge area, including Dirk and Herb. (I didn't see Anne with them when I went upstairs, but she was present at Glen's session.)

Michael
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kingfish · October 28th, 2003, 05:16 PM

I remember when Legend of The Rangers was supposed to go to series. It tanked and never went beyond the 2 hour movie.

Glad to see you back Michael. Can't wait for Battlestar Pegasus' return.

thomas7g · October 28th, 2003, 07:23 PM

Laurette Spang was in the back row. Remember when Richard brought up her purse and made Dirk wear it?

michaelfaries · October 29th, 2003, 04:09 PM

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(...) Glad to see you back Michael. Can't wait for Battlestar Pegasus' return.

Thanks, Paul. Be sure to keep up the good work on your petitions!

Michael
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michaelfaries · October 29th, 2003, 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by conundrum7g
The crowd that attended the con was EXTREMELY proffesional in attitude. You would be proud of them. They didn't behave as a gang or a mob. When he showed his trailer, everyone clapped and gave him applause. And they laughed at his jokes and gave him respect.

Tom, you are right on the mark. Aside from the one "Boo!" which happened when the lights came up during Moore's video presentation, everyone handled themselves VERY well. I second your description.

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A colonel (tigh) in a poker game calling his subordinate "Staaaaarrrbuk-bukbuk!" (like a chicken) for no real reason, was very Lame. it was then Starbuck made the wife comment that set him throwing a table aside and her throwing a punch.

I had a former Navy SEAL sitting on my left during that clip. He wasn't visibly mad so much as saying how utterly stupid and inappropriate that scene was. (And if anyone remembers my review of the Moore script, you'll recall the comments I solicited from one of my best friends who is retired U.S. military -- a Delta Force Commando (and officer) to boot.)

I was sickened when I originally read that part of the script a year ago. At Galacticon, I sat there, wondering WHY the SCI-FI Channel would be stupid enough to place that Starbuck/Tigh scene in a special screening for "Battlestar Galactica" fans. (To have Terry Carter in the same room, viewing the scene himself, was surreal.) It disgusted me to see it onscreen. (And to Ron, whom I figure is reading this, I don't care if all military don't act proper/respectful 99.9% of the time -- but this was a travesty to view, aside from the comments from decorated, honorably discharged U.S. Navy, Marine, Air Force and Army officers who have made comments about this Starbuck/Tigh scene.)

The actors SUCK. There's no other way to say it. Kara Thrace/Katie Sackoff cannot effectively deliver her lines, nor did the cameraman/director do an effective job in setting up the scene. Worse yet was the actor who portrayed Paul Tigh. Good Lord, this is central casting at it's worst. If one of the actors I knew delivered their lines like that, I'd say the same thing, but this wasn't the case. Horrible deliveries and horrible facial expressions by those two. I was even disappointed by Mary McDonnell who I love as an actress, but found her deliveries to fall short during the onboard shuttle sequences.

I will acknowledge the unique charisma and superb onscreen presence/acting that Edward James Olmos brought to his Adama. But it doesn't redeem the other garbage I saw during the previews.

And, btw, Zoic's special f/x WILL kick major astrums in this mini-series. It's too bad that the actual, fully-realized effects didn't show up in the trailer. Personally, I'd buy this new Battlestar Galactica series on DVD, *if* only the special f/x sequences were released by themselves.

Here's a trivia tidbit for everyone: The Viper pilot helmet in the mini-series? Do you want to know how much it cost? (And it's air-conditioned.) Try $50,000 U.S. (Fifty thousand dollars.)

Yes: $50,000.00.

I wish they'd contacted a few people I know who could have delivered the exact same helmet for under $1,000.00. Fifty helmets for the price of one, so to speak, time permitting.

Michael
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Stevew · October 29th, 2003, 04:49 PM

U R bad Michael LOL Too bad they could not give charlie the helmut contract, I would make ine for 50K
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kingfish · October 29th, 2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by michaelfaries
Thanks, Paul. Be sure to keep up the good work on your petitions!

Michael
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"By the Lords of Kobol this fandom has only begun to fight."

jewels · October 29th, 2003, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by conundrum7g

The crowded behaved nobly. it was alot more courteous than I was expecting. We didn't like his new stuff outside of the special effects and Edward James Olmos (he was good) but at the same time we always behaved with civility.

btw- even if I had never seen galactica in my life I would have to say EJO was good, and the acting in that poker game scene was very unapealing. Not unless you are a jerry Springer fan and like pointless fighting.

A colonel (tigh) in a poker game calling his subordinate "Staaaaarrrbuk-bukbuk!" (like a chicken) for no real reason, was very Lame. it was then Starbuck made the wife comment that set him throwing a table aside and her throwing a punch.

1) Richard set a good tone for the crowd, reminding us all that anyone that gets a production to the point that Ron has, deserves respect for the effort it took.

2) the clip we saw better not be the final cut shot: if it is Ms. Sackhoff needs to take a class from Noah. Her punch was awful. And the guy playing Tigh: again, poor acting. Mary McDonnell and EJO are good as you would expect; the sample of the story we saw and the Galactica herself: completely unappealing.

KJ · October 30th, 2003, 01:01 AM

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I had a former Navy SEAL sitting on my left during that clip. He wasn't visibly mad so much as saying how utterly stupid and inappropriate that scene was. (And if anyone remembers my review of the Moore script, you'll recall the comments I solicited from one of my best friends who is retired U.S. military -- a Delta Force Commando (and officer) to boot.)

I was sickened when I originally read that part of the script a year ago. At Galacticon, I sat there, wondering WHY the SCI-FI Channel would be stupid enough to place that Starbuck/Tigh scene in a special screening for "Battlestar Galactica" fans. (To have Terry Carter in the same room, viewing the scene himself, was surreal.) It disgusted me to see it onscreen. (And to Ron, whom I figure is reading this, I don't care if all military don't act proper/respectful 99.9% of the time -- but this was a travesty to view, aside from the comments from decorated, honorably discharged U.S. Navy, Marine, Air Force and Army officers who have made comments about this Starbuck/Tigh scene.)

The actors SUCK. There's no other way to say it. Kara Thrace/Katie Sackoff cannot effectively deliver her lines, nor did the cameraman/director do an effective job in setting up the scene. Worse yet was the actor who portrayed Paul Tigh. Good Lord, this is central casting at it's worst. If one of the actors I knew delivered their lines like that, I'd say the same thing, but this wasn't the case. Horrible deliveries and horrible facial expressions by those two. I was even disappointed by Mary McDonnell who I love as an actress, but found her deliveries to fall short during the onboard shuttle sequences.

I will acknowledge the unique charisma and superb onscreen presence/acting that Edward James Olmos brought to his Adama. But it doesn't redeem the other garbage I saw during the previews.

Why do i get the feeling Moore tried to copy Babylon 5 and got it wrong the same way he has done with Galactica?

Does sci-fi channel have the same trailer, or was this one work in development kind of trailer? (unfinished FX?) As for the helmets?

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Here's a trivia tidbit for everyone: The Viper pilot helmet in the mini-series? Do you want to know how much it cost? (And it's air-conditioned.) Try $50,000 U.S. (Fifty thousand dollars.)

Yes: $50,000.00.

I wish they'd contacted a few people I know who could have delivered the exact same helmet for under $1,000.00. Fifty helmets for the price of one, so to speak, time permitting.

Thats sounds messed up. Does Hollywood love to blow money on things for the hell of it? Maybe they should try film making like some of us students tried out, back in college. On a shoe string budget? No better yet, learning management of a TV movie without spending too much on one thing.

Truth be told, the original Galactica did spend like that also. But looking back wasn't it used right? The BG model itself cost that much $50.000 U.S. dollars and Imperious Leader's costume was near that too.

This production sounds more and more mishanded. As a fanbase we've tried, lord knows we tried .To be open minded, but just hearing this news is heart breaking all the more.

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the clip we saw better not be the final cut shot: if it is Ms. Sackhoff needs to take a class from Noah. Her punch was awful.

I've heard Noah does kickboxing! Did he show off his skills?

KJ

jewels · October 30th, 2003, 05:57 AM

Noah had a back injury last year and isn't active right now, but he used to assist teaching close quarters fighting to airline employees and sky marshalls.

jewels · October 30th, 2003, 06:01 AM

Back to the topic: Moore doesn't have his first season worked out if this continues; DeSanto had years worth of story arcs in development and his live action hadn't even been shot....

I have to stop thinking about it before I get mad. The difference between loving something and being a hireling is just too much of a deep abyss of thought processes.

jeditemple · October 30th, 2003, 06:17 AM

I can't wait to see this mini-series crash and burn... I think the initial reviews are going to massacre this mini before it airs. Just look at the big stink over at CBS over the Reagan movie. CBS is scrambling to cut certain scenes before they get slammed with the ultimate boycott. When Networks stomp on something that people hold dear, Networks get spanked.

I think stupidity should be punished and it's high time we punish the Sci-Fi Channel and Ron Moore. I have NO sympathy for the man, nor will I ever give him any credit for his work. Comparing himself to Patton makes me want to puke. He is the man who ruined Battlestar Galactica and he should have that epitaph put on his tombstone -- when his rotten career is over.

Kudos to the fans who kept their anger in check at the con. Hopefully a year from now, this will be behind us like "The Legend of the Rangers."

michaelfaries · October 30th, 2003, 10:59 AM

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(...) Comparing himself to Patton makes me want to puke. (...)

And following it shortly thereafter with "Hey, I'm the guy who killed Kirk" was tasteless and brazen.

I gave Mr. Moore a chance during that presentation of his. I maintained an open mind and refrained from bad-mouthing him while we waited... and waited... and waited for his panel session to begin.

It's interesting: He presented his reel of SCI-FI Channel outtakes which illustrated some interesting scenes (like the one where William "Husker" Adama was presented his original Viper) or the incoming Cylons. I wonder if the other scenes were thrown in for shock value, such as the Starbuck/Tigh altercation. I figure some folks are scanning the online forums to see our initial reactions.

What they didn't show (and, to me, is REALLY sickening and gut-wrenching) is the scene where the faster-than-light Colonial civilian ships have to leave the slower Colonial ships behind. I did think it was a very dramatic scene within the script I reviewed. We didn't witness anything like it in the 1978-79 series; it's the grim reality that, yes, people were left behind! But Moore and the SCI-FI Channel are milking the scene for what it's worth.

[Not shown at Galacticon 2003.] You'll see a small child (girl) left behind on one of the slower Colonial ships. You know she's going to die. The sequences make sure you KNOW she's going to die.

I could handle the audio sequences which were a part of the RDM script which I reviewed. However, this scene appears to be new. Maybe I'm getting more conservative, but I thought it was unnecessary dramatic license. I think about the scene between Adama and Athena in the 1978 BG pilot, "Saga of a Star World," which was cut out. Adama cries at having to leave people behind, at witnessing mothers trying to get their children to safety. For those that have seen it, it is a POWERFUL scene. Lorne Greene is convincing.

We don't (DON'T) need to see a little girl about to die to fuel the drama.

Again, I go back to some of RDM's various comments at Galacticon: Tasteless and brazen.

Michael
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michaelfaries · October 30th, 2003, 11:05 AM

I should point out: Within Tom DeSanto's effort (as mentioned at his panel), towards the end of the two-hour television pilot, Commander Orrin/Galactica is forced to act against the Cylons with a surprise maneuver... and as a result, he kills untold numbers of Colonials in order to save other Colonials.

It's a no-win situation. It's gut-wrenching, horrific and disasterous... and we might have been vehemently debating WHY such a scene had to be used in the pilot episode. Either Orrin acts to save some, or watch the entire Colonial population die/subjucate to the Cylons.

But there wasn't a little girl in peril used to punctuate the drama.

Michael
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Ravishol · October 30th, 2003, 12:16 PM

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The actors SUCK. There's no other way to say it. Kara Thrace/Katie Sackoff cannot effectively deliver her lines, nor did the cameraman/director do an effective job in setting up the scene. Worse yet was the actor who portrayed Paul Tigh. Good Lord, this is central casting at it's worst. If one of the actors I knew delivered their lines like that, I'd say the same thing, but this wasn't the case. Horrible deliveries and horrible facial expressions by those two. I was even disappointed by Mary McDonnell who I love as an actress, but found her deliveries to fall short during the onboard shuttle sequences.

Michael, Nice to see you participating again. I droped out for several months my self but I doubt anyone noticed. I was planning on attending the con but work has me swamped. I would have liked to meet all of you.

I appreciate all your remarks and take them at face value, but I do not believe that anyone can tell from a few clips the quality of the acting. That said I will bet that your assumption will prove to be correct. But also remember that is one awful script even though it has it's moments.

I think Ron is in a difficult spot and remarks were probably an attempt to lighten things up. He had to show, even though he didn't want to be there. I can not feel sorry for he since he put himself in this situation.

On a final note, my guess is that it will be at least 3 yrs until we see a DeSanto/Larson/?.

KJ · November 2nd, 2003, 05:37 AM

I'm sorry i didn't get to go to meet the stars and see the panels held at Galacticion 2003, for myself. Thats why i took every oppertunity to meet the Galactica stars over here at cons. Saying why i love the original series.

I'm have a little envy at missing out. But from what i hear.The saga of Galactica ain't finished yet. By the sounds of what we others are hearing or have heard about it on this site and CA, this mini is bound to fail. And when not IF but WHEN it does. It looks like their might be another power struggle again over it.

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Back to the topic: Moore doesn't have his first season worked out if this continues; DeSanto had years worth of story arcs in development and his live action hadn't even been shot....

Late November 2001 *Sigh*.....

Despite the discussions about DeSanto's pilot outline. I know for a fact DeSanto IS the man to back, in this battle over reviving Battlestar Galactica. And i really hope lightning strikes twice for him, when the smoke clears after the 2003 mini's fallout.

My question is would he bring back Bryan Singer with him if he did. Lets face it, DeSanto maybe the MAN for this. But wasn't it Singer's name as director which sold the Singer/DeSanto package of a BG revival project, back in Feb of 2001?

KJ

Domiano · December 5th, 2003, 11:53 AM

Tonight there is a chat with Moore, for more info go to the SCI-FI channel website. Maybe he will reveal his plans to destory even more of BSG.

Dumb question but...who owns the rights to Battlestar Galactica? Is it Universal? Can someone buy it from them?