West WIng: They Killed LEO!!!!

thomas7g · October 27th, 2004, 10:10 PM

I really do not like the new direction the show is going since the series creator left.

They killed Leo McGarry.

I liked Leo. He was a great character.

The WEst Wing used to be about wonderful dialog and poignant insight into our goverment. But since the creator left, its been one big "event" after another. First the president daughter is kidnapped. Then a big showdown between republicans and the white house. Now its the middle east.

The new West Wings are too dull of must-see drama. Its too forced. Its working too hard to give us whattering dramas each week.

But I'm unhappy.

They killed Leo. But then I think the heart of this show was possibly lost already...

Rowan · October 27th, 2004, 10:14 PM

LOL you beat me to it!!!

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

They killed Leo McGarry.

I liked Leo. He was a great character.

They killed Leo. But then I think the heart of this show was possibly lost already...

((((((((((((((((((((((((((Thomas))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) I'm in shock too!

cranky1c · October 28th, 2004, 12:01 AM

I really lost interest in the show after Sorkin left, and watched it tonight on a lark. What a bunch of crap! First the idea that Bartlet would simply dismiss Leo like he did goes against six seasons of characterization. Second, that nobody would notice a White House chief of staff looking gravely ill and dying at Camp David? I know I'm sounding like a typical internet geek here, but that's just stunt driven, piss poor story telling. They've turned a brilliant show into slightly highbrow version of "the OC." What a waste.

amberstar · October 28th, 2004, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cranky1c

I really lost interest in the show after Sorkin left, and watched it tonight on a lark. What a bunch of crap! First the idea that Bartlet would simply dismiss Leo like he did goes against six seasons of characterization. Second, that nobody would notice a White House chief of staff looking gravely ill and dying at Camp David? I know I'm sounding like a typical internet geek here, but that's just stunt driven, piss poor story telling. They've turned a brilliant show into slightly highbrow version of "the OC." What a waste.

I agree cranky........I lost interest too but watched tonight......
The Show was brilliant with Sorkin!!

I can't believe they Killed Leo

The 14th Colony · October 28th, 2004, 07:19 AM

Holy frak. I've loved the show, even after Sorkin left, and watched it all of the time. I missed last night though, don't have cable TV anymore. Leo died? Damn, he was one of the strongest characters on the show. What about Donna Moss, after getting injured in the season finale...how was that resolved? I really can't believe they killed off Leo, he was so integral to the continuing storylines, with his relationship to Bartlett.

thomas7g · October 28th, 2004, 08:05 AM

Donna's storyline went pretty much as you might expect. Donna was seriously hurt and transported to a hospital in Germany. it was touch and go for awhile with Josh flying to be by her side. I still care about the characters, but there wasn't any really interesting dialog. It was just as you would expect. But she should be coming back to WashingtonDC soon.

I think from the ads that Leo is going to be replaced by Alan Alda (MASH). I'm not to happy about that. Alda was great in Mash, but since then I haven't found him likable in any part he has played.

I think this may be the shark the show is jumping.

jewels · October 28th, 2004, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cranky1c

I really lost interest in the show after Sorkin left, and watched it tonight on a lark. What a bunch of crap! First the idea that Bartlet would simply dismiss Leo like he did goes against six seasons of characterization. Second, that nobody would notice a White House chief of staff looking gravely ill and dying at Camp David? I know I'm sounding like a typical internet geek here, but that's just stunt driven, piss poor story telling.

I only saw parts of the episode and missed Bartlett dismissing Leo, I did see Leo die and it made no sense whatsoever. Camp David is as secure and probably even better patrolled than the White House (lets face it, large grassy lawns require less foot patrol than the Maryland woods). If 3 heads of state were at Camp David, every foot path would have a regular sweep through by the Secret Service or the military. And I think if we followed the logic of the shows past events: the Chief of Staff of each country would be as watched over as the heads of the country.

Crappy way to write off a fantastic character. I guess the rest of the series will be about Bartlett's guilt over dismissing his most trusted advisor right before he died.

Jewels

cranky1c · October 28th, 2004, 08:17 AM

I'm going to have to watch my first season DVD's to sooth my grief.

The 14th Colony · October 28th, 2004, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

Donna's storyline went pretty much as you might expect. Donna was seriously hurt and transported to a hospital in Germany. it was touch and go for awhile with Josh flying to be by her side. I still care about the characters, but there wasn't any really interesting dialog. It was just as you would expect. But she should be coming back to WashingtonDC soon.

I think from the ads that Leo is going to be replaced by Alan Alda (MASH). I'm not to happy about that. Alda was great in Mash, but since then I haven't found him likable in any part he has played.

I think this may be the shark the show is jumping.

I liked Alda in his short run on ER. I like Alda without a doubt, but why oh why get rid of Leo? Had the actor chosen to leave? He won an emmy last year if I remember, and his acceptance speech was heartfelt. He loved doing what he did.

October 28th, 2004, 12:29 PM

As long as they don't kill Leo in Charmed I'll be O.K.

Rowan · October 28th, 2004, 12:48 PM

I love Alan Alda in the movie Same Time Next Year! It's one of my most favorite movies I watch it over and over again!

peter noble · October 29th, 2004, 01:52 AM

Well, thanks for letting that one out of the bag Tom for viewers who are seasons behind!

Grrr!

Peter

thomas7g · October 30th, 2004, 08:42 PM

OOPS!!!! Sorry!

I didn't even know it appealed to anyone over there!

thomas7g · November 4th, 2004, 10:59 AM

OOOOPS!!!!

SPOILER!!!!
SPOILER!!!!
SPOILER!!!!
SPOILER!!!!
SPOILER!!!!

thomas7g · November 4th, 2004, 11:00 AM

Spoiler

THEY DIDN"T KILL LEO!!!!

oh my oh my......

cranky1c · November 6th, 2004, 05:56 AM

So, right, we fell for it......a trick right out of a 60's batman episode.

Spoiler

They made C.J. COS? WTF?

thomas7g · November 11th, 2004, 10:13 PM

Don't you like that? I actually thought that was a wonderful thing. Though the "Will you jump off a cliff" plot device was kinda forced.

But I liked it. And out of all the WEst Wing it seems the logical course.

And btw, I REALLY enjoyed this WEst Wing. Lately I thought alot of them were kinda meandering. But this was much more like the show I was used to. More wonderful dialog. Less forced cataclysmic events.

thomas7g · November 11th, 2004, 10:22 PM

Btw does everyone recognize Mary McCormack? I realy liked her in Deep Impact. She was the female astronaut who remarked about them all going to have schools named after them.

OH, and I see they added Jimmy Smits to the opening credits.

And John SPencer is still there!!! (LEO)

thomas7g · November 11th, 2004, 10:25 PM

btw, I'm letting that Celebrity Poker play in the background. And Emily Proctor who played Ainsley Hays is currently tearing up the rest of the players!

cranky1c · November 12th, 2004, 09:43 AM

I thought Josh or Toby would be better candidates for COS based on their roles in the series so far. Josh is such a smart alec-y jerk (which is why I identify with him the most) that it would be fun to see him struggle with rising to the next level. I also couldn't see it in real life. Can you picture Mike McCurry or Ari Fliescher as COS? It seems like too unnatuaral a shift. It's great to see more of Allison Janey, but the move sits with me funny.

Rowan · November 12th, 2004, 12:40 PM

I love that CJ got it I think that character is amazing and more than capable of handling the position, but then I'm a woman and that's the bias I bring to this perspective!

cranky1c · November 12th, 2004, 01:43 PM

It's definitely not a woman thing for me. I like the character and I like the actress, I guess I just like more gritty realism in my political soap operas.

Archangel · November 12th, 2004, 01:46 PM

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It's definitely not a woman thing for me. I like the character and I like the actress, I guess I just like more gritty realism in my political soap operas.

Sounds like a guys perspective to me.

Rowan · November 12th, 2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cranky1c

It's definitely not a woman thing for me. I like the character and I like the actress, I guess I just like more gritty realism in my political soap operas.

And you don't feel her character can convey gritty realism?

cranky1c · November 12th, 2004, 02:06 PM

(sigh) I've stopped digging, just throw the dirt on me, will you?.....

Rowan · November 12th, 2004, 02:14 PM

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(sigh) I've stopped digging, just throw the dirt on me, will you?.....

LOL

Awwwwwwww (((((((((((((((((((cranky1c))))))))))))))))))

jewels · November 12th, 2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

btw, I'm letting that Celebrity Poker play in the background. And Emily Proctor who played Ainsley Hays is currently tearing up the rest of the players!

I love her! She was sooooo good at Ainsley. Dialogue with Sam was 1st rate. She's on CSI: Miami now.

Jewels

thomas7g · November 12th, 2004, 08:06 PM

I agree that it is unatural for a Whitehouse Spokesperson to suddenly leap and become Chief of Staff, one of the most powerful positions in the world.

I think though if you look at CJ's skills it makes more sense. She has a remarkable catlike ability to always land on her feet. Nomatter how often and how hard press reporters try to trick her into revealing something, she constanly is able to be in command. Outside of deference to Leo and POTUS she is always dominating whatever discussion she is in. She's very good at approaching people in a way to achieve her goals. Add to that her ability to know a situation and topic and and to always be on top of it. Add to that she is one of the most trusted, respected, and capable people in the White House.

Toby and Josh are both very gifted, but lets face it, they are screw ups! They are always getting into trouble. They have a unique talent for sticking their foot in their mouths, for loosing their cool, and landing in jail! Put them in charge and I'm sure within a month we will have launched a nuclear war with New Jersey!

Rowan · November 13th, 2004, 12:23 AM

Your points about CJ are on the money in my opinion

I agree with your concerns about Josh and Toby

But

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Put them in charge and I'm sure within a month we will have launched a nuclear war with New Jersey!

is positively hilarious!!!

thomas7g · November 13th, 2004, 01:08 AM

I'm glad you liked it