ENTERPRISE season premiere tonight!

thomas7g · October 8th, 2004, 02:46 PM

When last we saw our hero, CaptainArcher he was caught sacrificing himself to explode a doomsday device about to destroy the earth! He didn't escape. But after...(before?) the explosion he awaks...and does a quantum leap back to Nazi germany, where he discovers the Gustapos are actually aliens!!!

Are you going to tune in TONIGHT for the exciting conclusion?!?!?!??!

Welll...I'll give it a try...but my god was that a bad way to end a season. I actually was hoping that would have been it. But its back with promises of a major makeover.

I wonder if that ending was a last act of spite from the previous writing crew?

Whoknows...lest just pray that this show finally lives up to the original Trek.

Sci-Fi · October 8th, 2004, 04:22 PM

I've stated at other Sci-Fi forums that I felt I was looking at new episodes of "Quantum Leap". The writers need to move away from all the time travel and time line distortion stories. It's ok to have one episode about time travel a season. There are so many questions about the early days of the Federation, the Romulan and Klingon wars/conflicts, Tholians, Gorns, etc, etc. The Andorians seems to be an interesting race. Like to see more of them. Just look at all the "Lost Races" from the original series. Plenty of material there to write good episodes. Archer and T'Pol should have a relationship instead of Trip. They hinted at it in the "Twilight" episode.

The characters seem to be too much alike, not enough conflict, contrast, or disagreements (fun or otherwise) between them to make them interesting or memorable. For instance: Trip doesn't remind anybody of Scotty, Geordi, B'Elanna, Miles, etc. Each of those characters had their own personality but were respected and believable Chief Engineers. Trip comes off as some punk HS kid everybody wishes they could beat to a pulp. Add some more humor into the series, at least between characters. I don't recall anybody stating at any of the forums that they would like to see one Enterprise character being showcased in an episode or want to see more of a particular character. The MACO's seemed more interesting as is Shran and the Andorians. But that is my opinion.

Captain Bran · October 8th, 2004, 07:52 PM

The season opener was awesome! I am feeling positive about season 4. They seem to be pulling out all the stops to make this show a winner.

Captain Bran

October 8th, 2004, 08:26 PM

I enjoyed the opening episode. I am a history buff and I enjoy alternate historical fiction. This episode was tailor made for me. One line gave me pause however. Daniels told Archer that the entire temporal cold war would be prevented from happening if Archer stops the aliens in 1944. If Archer succeeds, does this mean the the past three seasons will be erased? This would be the ultimate reset button! If this happens, I would be cool with it since many of the concepts introduced in past seasons undermined what Trek is all about. I am looking forward to the rest of the season. With Manny Coto at the helm and Braga/Berman in the back seat, thing should prove interesting. It is exciting that a fan of the original series is calling the creative shots on the show!

Dawg · October 8th, 2004, 09:18 PM

HA HA! Funny Warrior!

Anyway, I really liked the episode - good pace, tight writing, well executed. Makes me look forward to the season. Coto did good.

I am
Dawg

thomas7g · October 8th, 2004, 09:18 PM

YUP.

Also Sam Becket and Al did leap to just at the end of World War II.

I did see this episode And I did like the new writing. I'm not so happy with the plotline. But the writing of dialog and character interactions I think has a perceivable jump up in quality. At least in the opener. I HOPE they can maintain it. And I hope they can get off the time travel plotlines. I am tired of them.

How much time travel can one actor do in his lifetime?!?!!!!

Gemini1999 · October 8th, 2004, 09:25 PM

I liked the episode for the most part, but like Tom, I'm not all that enthralled with the storyline. My favorite scene was where the shuttlepod was headed towards San Francisco and those P-51's started firing on it! I know that it's not a big story element, but I liked it all the same.

I'm looking forward to the next story arc starts when Brent Spiner shows up.....! That'll be something worth seeing!

Best,
Bryan

martok2112 · October 8th, 2004, 11:59 PM

I haven't gotten to see a single episode of Star Trek: Enterprise since 2nd Season.

I am soooo deprived.

Martok the Missing out on a lot cause he can't afford cable and internet at the same time.

Rowan · October 9th, 2004, 12:33 AM

(((((((((((((Steve)))))))))))))) have you forgotten that I'm video taping this season and will send you a copy and I have a DVD of season 3 (which you will have to watch at the library) but it's yours if you want it all I need is an address

Rowan · October 9th, 2004, 12:47 AM

I really loved season 3 it finally got interesting for me. I loved watching Archer breaking moral and ethical codes. I actually sat on the edge of my seat on every show this past season. I loved that characters I liked were killed off, it made it more realistic for me. I’m leery about this 4th season with the way it’s starting I hate the going back in time to earth stuff!!! I want to be out roaming far from earth. I've always hated every show that depicted the crew of any Enterprise being on earth in the past it drives me nuts (even on the holodeck). I want them out in outer space. When they ended last season the way they did I though oh no not again! Now it looks like this season is going to dwell on the “alternate past” and taking place on earth which if it does they are going to lose me again.

Rowan · October 9th, 2004, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

All I have are a few sporadic eps from Season One.

I don't get UPN, so I haven't been able to watch it at all

Are you saying you would like a copy too?

Rowan · October 9th, 2004, 01:00 AM

I'm trying to "aquire" those two seasons but I can't say if I'm successful yet ....
With regards to the DVD the drawback is that they are only watchable on a computer, so I don't know if that would interest you or not?

Rowan · October 9th, 2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Well... I have a computer...

LOL

just checking... I know sometimes people can be "picky" but it's certainly better than nothing

skippercollecto · October 11th, 2004, 04:18 AM

What did I just watch?
A. V?
B. Quantum Leap?
C. The first three episodes of Galactica 1980?
D. A Harry Turtledove novel? (does he know the Trek writers have stolen his plots?)

It sure didn't look like any Star Trek!

Mary

Rowan · October 15th, 2004, 09:05 PM

I got all teary tonight at the end of the show when T'pol says there are many ships coming *sigh* Yay they did it!

(I get way to caught up in this stuff! LOL)

thomas7g · October 15th, 2004, 09:16 PM

ACK! Thanks for reminding me!!!!! ohh....crap....I'm too late....

NO JOY!

Rowan · October 15th, 2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

I certainly hope these new eps are being recorded...

Yup!

Rowan · October 15th, 2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

ACK! Thanks for reminding me!!!!! ohh....crap....I'm too late....

NO JOY!

Ya know I would love to remind you of these things but unless you turn on your IM thing it makes it challenging to comunicate with you fast!!! LOL!

I'm sending you a PM

thomas7g · October 15th, 2004, 10:27 PM

Thanks Rowan!

It is on. YOu should be able to see me. But I don't see you!

Tom was busy fixing the template so we can display those I luv cf bumperstickers. Apparently a few people coudnt see them

Rowan · October 15th, 2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

Thanks Rowan!

It is on. YOu should be able to see me. But I don't see you!

Tom was busy fixing the template so we can display those I luv cf bumperstickers. Apparently a few people coudnt see them

Something very odd has been happening to me lately with IM every now and then my computer or the internet shuts down all my IM things without warning all of a sudden everything is just gone and Ive been signed out

now I can't sign back on to one of them and I can't access any yahoo e-mail accounts!

martok2112 · October 16th, 2004, 05:11 AM

Even though I still prefer Yahoo...the whole thing is buggier than a Sunday picnic.

Martok2112

kingfish · October 16th, 2004, 05:43 AM

Trek and Nazis:

Enterprise isn't the first to tackle them. I remember a 2 part Voyager where Janeway and crew were fighting aliens disguises as Nazi's in the holodeck.

Kirk and Spock fought them in Patterns of Force. Talk aboult alternate development. John Gill a Federation historian is sent to help a planet and manages to make them go the same route as Germany becoming Fuhrer. Melakon kills Gill at the end is subsequentially killed himself since he the one truly running things (Gill was drugged).

The City on the Edge of Forever- Kirk must stop McCoy from changing history. Sister Edith Keeler is for peace and if she lives will convince Roosevelt not to enter the war allowing for the germans to develop the bomb. They win and there is no Federation.

thomas7g · October 16th, 2004, 10:34 AM

I'm just glad its over. I hope that's the last of the time travel stories

Rowan · October 16th, 2004, 10:35 AM

I don't know about the rest of you but I found it very disturbing and so did my bf to watch / listen to the first part of that show when we get to hear the radio or tv broadcast and te anouncer is talking about the germans being welcome in the US and how they are allies of the US meanwhile they are actually occupying the US militarily it was unerving, creeped us out! LOL!

Rowan · October 16th, 2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

I'm just glad its over. I hope that's the last of the time travel stories

That was the impression we were left with no more time travel! YAY!

Gemini1999 · October 16th, 2004, 09:01 PM

I had an interesting revelation when it comes to Trekdom, especially when it comes to Enterprise. When I heard that the second half of Storm Front got even lower ratings (in the overnights anyway) than the first half did last week, I decided to cruise the board over at TrekBBS.

You wanna know what flabbergasted me? When I looked at the heading for the Enterprise thread, it has a section that shows how many people are looking at each thread. How many were looking at the Enterprise thread at that moment?

144 people! Damn!

It just blew my mind to think that 144 people were all viewing the same thread at the same time. That's more than all of the active posters we have here at Fleets....

Anyway, I did like the episode and I thought it was good that they finally tied up the "temporal cold war" stuff without dragging it out any longer. It's too bad that people aren't watching like they were before, but you had to wonder if people were gonna come back to see if things got better. How will ratings go up if you can't get people to watch in the first place?

1.7 million for one episode.....that's pretty low! Let's hope it improves...

Best,
Bryan

Darth Marley · October 16th, 2004, 09:05 PM

I don't have a blanket objection to time travel stories.
Actually, I hope that some future trek series is devoted to time travel stories, picking up on the Temporal Investigations unit from DS9 and the Timeships from the future in Voyager.
Such a show, if well written, could keep changing cast and environment each epsidoe, and revisit random elements in the timeline.

I missed the first part, and the second didn't grab my attention.

1.7 million would be decent ratings for cable, a little above what has sustained SG:1.

The real question is, how many geeks were watching Andromeda instead of Trek? That is the injury after the insult.

thomas7g · October 22nd, 2004, 11:38 PM

I'm not oposed to time travel either. Its just Altering reality seems to me a crutch for a lack of imagination to find interesting stories in the reality as is. I like STNG's Yesterday's Enterprise where the NCC1701C comes through a rift in time. That was a well written story. But this time wars thing seems to be more a case of B&B being unable to find interesting things in their universe.

Which to me is amazing. You got Man in the future! Man in Space! Exploring deep space for the first time! And they can't think of a good storyline in that?

I actually was enjoying Andromeda more than Enterprise till this season. But Andromeda's writing has taken an unbelievable drop in quality. The stories don't even makes sense in an episodes continuity. Its really bad almost saturday morning quality writing. I think what ever horrible writers were on Enterprise must have been booted off Enterprise and taken over Andromeda!

thomas7g · October 22nd, 2004, 11:48 PM

Enterprise on the other hand was pretty good tonight!

It was simple stories. But higher quality. Not perfect. But at least we are making our characters more 3D. And the side characters seem less predictable.

I liked Archer's dark side struggling with himself while everyone is calling him a hero. And I like seeing Tpol's mom and the repercussions of her actions on her Mom. Joanna Cassidy did a good stint as a vulcan. Though this was a tad too emotional more than logical for Vulcans.

My only other qualm was that stadium looked pretty bad. And cheap. But the Vylcan Firefalls were well done.

Senmut · October 24th, 2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Didn't Troy and Dillon already go back in time to take care of those guys?

That was the ALTERNATE alternate timeline.