Comparing The Two Shows - Page 3

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 03:09 AM

The Bush Beans dog only knows for sure.

Darrell Lawrence · January 29th, 2005, 04:13 AM

...hmm Something I keep seeing in various posts is a "seperation" of the mini from the new series.

I don't think that can be done, since the mini is a part of the story and launched the new series.

The mini is as much a part of the new series as "Saga of a Starworld" was to the original series.

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 04:26 AM

The seperation might be in terms of quality and appreciation. While many people may have not liked the miniseries...they may have found something more favorable in the ongoing series. Yes, the stories are all part of the same...but, for some reason, they simply find more things appealing about the series.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Darrell Lawrence · January 29th, 2005, 04:41 AM

Well, IMO the mini *is* a part of the new series (as its pilot, which Moore acknowledge the mini as being a backdoor of), whether or not one is better or not. I look at it over-all

Stevew · January 29th, 2005, 06:09 AM

I have tried to watch with an open mind and all I come away with is depression.
BSG use to be fun, this is not

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

Well, IMO the mini *is* a part of the new series (as its pilot, which Moore acknowledge the mini as being a backdoor of), whether or not one is better or not. I look at it over-all

Respectfully, it is the same as some people feel about TOS. --including some TOS fans--. (not trying to be argumentative, as much as seeing the other side of the coin in this case). There are things people may have liked about the original three hour pilot that suddenly they could not like about the series. (production problems aside.)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 01:06 PM

Granted, the new show is not quite upbeat like the beloved original....but then, it is the fate of the human race we're talking about here.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Darrell Lawrence · January 29th, 2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by martok2112

Respectfully, it is the same as some people feel about TOS. --including some TOS fans--. (not trying to be argumentative, as much as seeing the other side of the coin in this case). There are things people may have liked about the original three hour pilot that suddenly they could not like about the series. (production problems aside.)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

This is true, but Lost Planet flowed from Saga as if a part of the same presentation (I'd love to either cut out or re-do that dagnab "casino" sequence)

Same for the mini flowing right into "33" (maybe even moreso for the mini and "33")

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

This is true, but Lost Planet flowed from Saga as if a part of the same presentation (I'd love to either cut out or re-do that dagnab "casino" sequence)

I think on that ALL Galactica fans are agreed

Eric Paddon · January 29th, 2005, 02:15 PM

Actually all fans are *not* agreed on the alleged inappropriateness of the whole Carillon business. To me there is nothing wrong with it as a plot development at all because here they are finding a resort that ostensibly offers for some a quick and easy solution to their problem and then they find out that things are not all that they seem to be. The only moment in this sequence that strikes me as bad is Starbuck musing about signing up the singing group for the "Star Circuit" but aside from that, the story still works IMO and the bad press I've seen generated around it is IMO largely unjust for the most part.

peter noble · January 29th, 2005, 02:20 PM

There's nothing wrong with the Carillon sequence.

Peter

martok2112 · January 29th, 2005, 02:21 PM

amendment....

I think on that, ALMOST ALL Galactica fans are agreed.

BST · January 29th, 2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by martok2112

amendment....

I think on that, ALMOST ALL Galactica fans are agreed.

Another amendment....

In a strange way, the Carillon segment actually made sense. The Cylons had hit the Colonials with a head-on assault, with the attack at the Peace Conference and in the Colonial system, and were nearly successful in wiping them out. Since the Cylons know that the Colonials will be "expecting" an attack, why not throw a little misdirection - a "back-door" approach. Properly and patiently executed, the strategy would have been a stroke of genius.

I didn't mind the segment that much. I would have just preferred seeing a bit more caution from the junior officers and non-coms. (Recall Adama's and Tigh's conversation about "the best time for an attack".)

Spike The Cylon · January 29th, 2005, 04:17 PM

I always thougt the Casino scenes were a bit odd.

Darrell Lawrence · January 30th, 2005, 02:59 AM

The reason I would want to see the Carrilon portion redone is simple- These folks just lost their home planets, and here they are partying, having a grand ol time.

martok2112 · January 30th, 2005, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

The reason I would want to see the Carrilon portion redone is simple- These folks just lost their home planets, and here they are partying, having a grand ol time.

While I agree that the Carillon sequence does have that "cunning trap by the Cylons" feel...I must also concur with Warrior that the "partying like it's 1979" (no slam, just poetic comedy there--think Prince, paraphrased--

) thing does seem rather out of place, in the darker premise of Saga.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

julix · January 30th, 2005, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by martok2112

While I agree that the Carillon sequence does have that "cunning trap by the Cylons" feel...I must also concur with Warrior that the "partying like it's 1979" (no slam, just poetic comedy there--think Prince, paraphrased--

) thing does seem rather out of place, in the darker premise of Saga.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

I think it was somewhat a sign of the times....back then...I do remember the disco scene was a real escape from the real life problems of the time. The partying like that would not have been out of the ordinary for that time period...as an escape. I think some people do handel stress by throwing themselves into partying and gambling and drinking after trama.............

martok2112 · January 30th, 2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by julix

I think it was somewhat a sign of the times....back then...I do remember the disco scene was a real escape from the real life problems of the time. The partying like that would not have been out of the ordinary for that time period...as an escape. I think some people do handel stress by throwing themselves into partying and gambling and drinking after trama.............

Your thoughts there remind me of what Dennis Quaid said in "Innerspace".

"When times are at their darkest, it's a brave man who can kick back and party!"

Irreverently,
Martok2112

julix · January 30th, 2005, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by martok2112

Your thoughts there remind me of what Dennis Quaid said in "Innerspace".

"When times are at their darkest, it's a brave man who can kick back and party!"

Irreverently,
Martok2112

Indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!

thomas7g · January 30th, 2005, 11:10 AM

I'm pretty sure that the Carrilon event is suppose to be following the bible. After leading the jews out of their enslavement from the pharoahs, and parting the red sea, Moses was disguested with their obscene falling back into sin at the base of Mount Sinai.

But it did seem odd that they were celebrating. And the casino scene wasn't to my liking. To me it was the weakpoint of an otherwise powerful pilot.

peter noble · January 30th, 2005, 11:35 AM

Re Carillon:

Let's see, you've had your home colony go up in the flames, lost loved ones and your livelihood and everything that comes with it, you now share toilet/washing fascilities with X amount of people, you have no home of your own, you're living on a spaceship that can be blown up at any moment and your food and water are being rationed.

All of a sudden you've got firm ground under your feet, space and privacy, food and lots of it, drink that never stops flowing and access to a good suplly of plant vapors to deaden the pain, an opportunity to win money and politicians planting the seed of an idea that this might just be a good place to settle down.

I guess Carillon isn't that hard to explain at all, especially if you think that the Ovions might be drugging the food and drink to fatten up their "dinner".

Peter

thomas7g · January 30th, 2005, 11:57 AM

YOu make a good point Peter. And that makes ALOT of sense. But I think the the problem is that the show didn't show us that. That would have added imensley to making the Carrilon scene more real. What you are talking about wasn't visible and without it it "felt" odd. YOu can create reasons that fill in the logic gap afterwards, but while you are watching it I got that "HUH? that doesn't make sense" that makes you stop enjoying the show for a sec. YOu lose the flow of being immersed in this wonderful world and suddenly you remember you are not there and just a a tv show viewer.

We are just saying things we wish we could add to it.

Eric Paddon · January 30th, 2005, 12:10 PM

Actually, I think it is covered a good deal when one factors in Adama's journal entries during this period as well as his conversations with Tigh. Tigh talks of how Uri is lining up permits for half the population to visit, showing how restless they are. Adama muses in his journal of how the "wiles of Carillon" have seemingly made people forget about the Destruction and their flight from the Cylons. That isn't interpolating things in after the fact, it's taking what we're presented at face value and realizing it isn't as big a plot hole as people ordinarily think.

peter noble · January 30th, 2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thomas7g

YOu make a good point Peter. And that makes ALOT of sense. But I think the the problem is that the show didn't show us that. That would have added imensley to making the Carrilon scene more real. What you are talking about wasn't visible and without it it "felt" odd. YOu can create reasons that fill in the logic gap afterwards, but while you are watching it I got that "HUH? that doesn't make sense" that makes you stop enjoying the show for a sec. YOu lose the flow of being immersed in this wonderful world and suddenly you remember you are not there and just a a tv show viewer.

We are just saying things we wish we could add to it.

Thomas,

I could make that leap from seeing the people on the freighter and where Serina and Boxey were staying and then seeing the refugees on the planet and the growing suspicion of Adama and Tigh, admittedly though, before I ever saw one frame of BSG I had read the novelisation and in it Apollo makes a point of seeing a woman at the Casino whose husband had died in her arms and he not believing she could be the same person.

I'm one of those people that when he starts watching a film (whatever decade it was made in) I get totally immersed in th story, it takes a lot to jar me out of the reality onscreen!

The worst thing a film or TV show can do to me personally is bore me silly!

Best,

Peter

P.S. Like the sig.

Darrell Lawrence · January 30th, 2005, 01:56 PM

Carrilon was done too soon.

They just BARELY had any time from escaping the destruction up to Carrilon.

Fragmentary · January 30th, 2005, 02:05 PM

I love Carrilon. That scene is like a time stamp on the show. You see that and there is no mistaking when this show was made. It’s also a pivotal scene for the series, because it lets you know exactly what you can expect. As people are fond of pointing out, this was a family show, so there was a clear effort made to amuse kids with it. A cheesy disco casino with bug eyed aliens who wanted to eat the humans said a lot about what to expect later on. If it hadn’t been for Carrilon, we wouldn’t have gotten singing robots, unicorns or a show about children saving their father from the evil cylons.

Gemini1999 · January 30th, 2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by peter noble

Re Carillon:

Let's see, you've had your home colony go up in the flames, lost loved ones and your livelihood and everything that comes with it, you now share toilet/washing fascilities with X amount of people, you have no home of your own, you're living on a spaceship that can be blown up at any moment and your food and water are being rationed.

All of a sudden you've got firm ground under your feet, space and privacy, food and lots of it, drink that never stops flowing and access to a good suplly of plant vapors to deaden the pain, an opportunity to win money and politicians planting the seed of an idea that this might just be a good place to settle down.

Peter -

Thanks for that summation....

That's the way that I've always felt about the Carillon story segment. It may be true that this happened too soon in the entire journey from a scriptwriting point of view, but as they say: "It's in the script".

I mean, come on, what are you gonna do when this kind of opportunity comes along? Sit in your little cubbyhole that you've carved out aboard the Gemini Freighter, mope about your losses and continue to starve.... Not bloody likely!

Best,
Bryan

Spike The Cylon · January 30th, 2005, 02:48 PM

Did they ever say how time had passed when they found Carrillon?

thomas7g · January 30th, 2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by peter noble

P.S. Like the sig.

Thank YOu!

I like the new Avatar!

kingfish · January 30th, 2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragmentary

I love Carrilon. That scene is like a time stamp on the show. You see that and there is no mistaking when this show was made. It’s also a pivotal scene for the series, because it lets you know exactly what you can expect. As people are fond of pointing out, this was a family show, so there was a clear effort made to amuse kids with it. A cheesy disco casino with bug eyed aliens who wanted to eat the humans said a lot about what to expect later on. If it hadn’t been for Carrilon, we wouldn’t have gotten singing robots, unicorns or a show about children saving their father from the evil cylons.

Well our show had something Nu Galactica will never have a momentous occassion. If you watched the show is interrupted for the signing of the Camp David Peace Accord between Israel and Egypt. Both Sadat and Beagin[sp] made speeches. A historic occassion if there was ever one.