Balance to the Force

julix · July 20th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Ok,
Let's talk about this............Anakin was supposed to be the chosen one and bring balance to the force right? Well, what if his destiny was always to join the Sith in order to ultimately destroy it. Is one's life predestined? Or had Anakin choose to not kill Tyranis in Vengence could he had gone on to defeat the Sith as a Jedi????

What do you all think?

shugotenshi · July 20th, 2005, 07:39 PM

“The prophecy...misread it could have been....” is what yoda said in episode three referring to anakin.

We know that the dark side of the force clouds everything and makes the future hard to see.

Is one's life predestined? I don't know...

julix · July 20th, 2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shugotenshi

“The prophecy...misread it could have been....” is what yoda said in episode three referring to anakin.

We know that the dark side of the force clouds everything and makes the future hard to see.

Is one's life predestined? I don't know...

I remember Yoda saying that............not sure, except I think he was just questioning it............

Darrell Lawrence · July 20th, 2005, 09:32 PM

I think by balance, it means someone who could handle both sides of it, aka balancing the power of it.

Anakin was able to be pure as a youngster, then went dark, then back again.

The only one able to ever do it, hence he balanced things out.

Darrell Lawrence · July 20th, 2005, 09:34 PM

In addition to that, it is he who was responsible for the fall of the Jedi. Then years later, when he came back to the Light side of the Force, he caused the fall of the Sith.

So again he balanced things out.

gmd3d · July 21st, 2005, 02:37 AM

perhap Luke and Leia are the balance.. the warrior and diplomat?? both strong in the force but in differant areas ..
it weak I know but a possibilty .. perhap No??!

julix · July 21st, 2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

I think by balance, it means someone who could handle both sides of it, aka balancing the power of it.

Anakin was able to be pure as a youngster, then went dark, then back again.

The only one able to ever do it, hence he balanced things out.

Good points Warrior..........with both posts.

julix · July 21st, 2005, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Taranis

perhap Luke and Leia are the balance.. the warrior and diplomat?? both strong in the force but in differant areas ..
it weak I know but a possibilty .. perhap No??!

I do believe the children are a key piece in this whole equation yes.........and yes they had different strenghts.

kingfish · July 21st, 2005, 05:32 AM

Luke unlike Anakin could handle the dark side as well as the light. When Luke sees he is headed for the path his father chose he throws the lightsaber away. Palpy who is the biggest manipulator alive planned on Luke taking Vader's place at his side, ie Vader's death.

julix · July 21st, 2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfish

Luke unlike Anakin could handle the dark side as well as the light. When Luke sees he is headed for the path his father chose he throws the lightsaber away. Palpy who is the biggest manipulator alive planned on Luke taking Vader's place at his side, ie Vader's death.

Hi paul(how are you?)

Yes I agree with that. But see Luke didn't have the vunerability that Anakin did. Although luke didn't have his parents he grew up in a stable home with Owen and Beru(he was so much bigger than that life-he was restless)but it was a stable life. Anakin had lost his mother the only one he had to rely on........this made him very vunerable. It was the fear of losing that opened him up to the dark side...............What I was asking was do you think Anakin had to fall to the dark side to ultimately defeat it? Was it all predestined?

kingfish · July 21st, 2005, 05:47 AM

I have good days and very bad ones. Some of the meds I am on make me sick to my stomach. I guess it learning to live with the illness I have. :sad:

julix · July 21st, 2005, 06:10 AM

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I have good days and very bad ones. Some of the meds I am on make me sick to my stomach. I guess it learning to live with the illness I have. :sad:

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We are here for you!

Fragmentary · July 21st, 2005, 11:13 AM

If the final stage of conflict between the Jedi and the Sith is balance, then where does that leave things at the end of Return of the Jedi. It appears that the Sith has been utterly defeated, and of course Luke stands tall for the Jedi, but where is the balance? Shouldn't there still be the Darkside? Is it Leia?

Darrell Lawrence · July 21st, 2005, 11:38 AM

It's Jar Jar.

shugotenshi · July 21st, 2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

It's Jar Jar.

I second that.

shugotenshi · July 21st, 2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragmentary

Shouldn't there still be the Darkside? Is it Leia?

Nope... http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...olo/index.html

julix · July 21st, 2005, 01:24 PM

What happens after episode 6 is written in books......sanctioned by Lucas. No, Leia isn't the dark side but yes there is always the stuggle against evil.

julix · July 21st, 2005, 01:39 PM

I also ponder that when they are refering to the force being out of balance..............do they mean that the jedi lost their way? In other words there is talk that the jedi had grown arrogant and the judement was clouded. The book really goes into great deal that when Anakin is asked to spy on Palpy this is very questionable step. In fact, in the book Obi Wan as much as says Anakin has a right to not trust any Jedi anymore.............I will look up the exact lines from the book and post it............it blew me away........The book is the bomb!!! It is so good.

gmd3d · July 21st, 2005, 01:47 PM

julix

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Yes I agree with that. But see Luke didn't have the vunerability that Anakin did. Although luke didn't have his parents he grew up in a stable home with Owen and Beru(he was so much bigger than that life-he was restless)but it was a stable life. Anakin had lost his mother the only one he had to rely on........this made him very vunerable. It was the fear of losing that opened him up to the dark side...............What I was asking was do you think Anakin had to fall to the dark side to ultimately defeat it? Was it all predestined?

good point julix I would go with that thinking

julix · July 21st, 2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Taranis

julix

good point julix I would go with that thinking

Thanks Taranis

TopGun · July 21st, 2005, 02:17 PM

I agree that there must always be an evil for good to survive

gpdesigner · July 21st, 2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by julix

I also ponder that when they are refering to the force being out of balance..............do they mean that the jedi lost their way? In other words there is talk that the jedi had grown arrogant and the judement was clouded.

This is a good point julix, I do remember that being said in eps 3. And as well all now arrogance is one of the traits which lead to the dark side.
But also I remember hearing that there are and will always be "Siths" and maybe it was a "Sith Lord " that took the Force out of Balance.
If I am not stretching it to much follow me on this . . .

A Sith Lord is one who has superior power from the dark side of the force, maybe not able to have total power "Over the dark side" but one who is extremely strong with it, more so than lets say the Jedi. As I understand, there are no supreme Jedi's no one that is the emperor of the Force, no one who can control it fully.
maybe bringing balance to the force meant, the removal of the Sith Lord and nothing more.

A prditurmined destiny is, if the profacy was correct and in fact, it was Anakin would brought balance back to the Force . . . it took almost 20 years and a lot of deaths, but he did do it
3d

Darrell Lawrence · July 21st, 2005, 05:16 PM

..but he failed- Jar Jar still exists

Darrell Lawrence · July 21st, 2005, 05:17 PM

...hmm Just had a thought...

Anyone else notice there was NO reaction from Leia in regards to finding out Vader was HER father as well?

TopGun · July 22nd, 2005, 12:17 AM

Yeah, I believe you're right

gpdesigner · July 22nd, 2005, 05:58 AM

Woooooooooo hold up! . . . wait . . . . I can't listen to this . .
*puts fingers in ears*
This is madness, not the princess

3d

julix · July 22nd, 2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Warrior

...hmm Just had a thought...

Anyone else notice there was NO reaction from Leia in regards to finding out Vader was HER father as well?

There was reaction......she looked disturbed and a bit of shock and then said "I know...somehow I have always known" Force perception.........

julix · July 22nd, 2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 3ddesigner

Woooooooooo hold up! . . . wait . . . . I can't listen to this . .
*puts fingers in ears*
This is madness, not the princess

3d

no indeed............

Darrell Lawrence · July 22nd, 2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by julix

There was reaction......she looked disturbed and a bit of shock and then said "I know...somehow I have always known" Force perception.........

Nope. That was her reaction to Luke telling her they were brother/sister, not that Vader was their father.

In fact, Luke only said Vader was his father, then LATER said they were brother/sister (in the same conversation).

There was no Leia reaction to putting two and two together and realizing Vader was also her father

julix · July 22nd, 2005, 12:23 PM

But Warrior..............
Remember the conversation..................It was
"The force runs strong in my family, My father has it, I have it, and my sister has it"

So yes he is saying he is her brother AND Vader is her father...........