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Old October 20th, 2004, 03:36 PM   #1
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Battlestar Galactica 2004 ST: Enterprise & general Trek discussion

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If the Cylons are following the colonials to Earth we saw this before also.

Zee: They simply allowed you to lead them to Earth.

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Anything with Dr. Zee or Nazis from BG80 I try to keep from my mind.
I dunno... I prefer Nazis in G80 than Nazis aliens in Enterprise!
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Old October 20th, 2004, 04:14 PM   #2
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I dunno... I prefer Nazis in G80 than Nazis aliens in Enterprise!
When I first heard about the time traveling alternate Nazi world episode my first thought was that the same idea was the nail in the coffin of BG80 so Enterprise would be put out of its misery soon. That was the last of the Temporal War episodes I think. The rest of the season is supposed to be better, but from what I hear it's too late to save the series.
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When I first heard about the time traveling alternate Nazi world episode my first thought was that the same idea was the nail in the coffin of BG80 so Enterprise would be put out of its misery soon. That was the last of the Temporal War episodes I think. The rest of the season is supposed to be better, but from what I hear it's too late to save the series.


I think if they do a James T Kirk story they have a chance of saving Enterprise. To save the future Kirk ends up in the past.
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that would be too hokey
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Old October 20th, 2004, 05:28 PM   #5
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And yet, that would screw up canon (I'm really starting to HATE that word) established in Generations...


I have always wondered about that. I read that Kirk was coming back according to Malcom MacDowell who did an interview.
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Old October 20th, 2004, 05:30 PM   #6
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Bringing back Kirk would undo RDM's greatest service to the SF community.
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Old October 20th, 2004, 05:32 PM   #7
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I always thought that that was a tongue-in-cheek reference to Shatner's possible ability too sweet-talk Paramount into reviving Kirk.
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Old October 20th, 2004, 07:12 PM   #8
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I didn't think Shatner was going to be in it, due to money/contract issues ?

That's what has been said I lot recently....

You're right about Enterprise likely to be cancelled. If only they had given us what fans had wanted, Star Trek : Excelsior. Paramount lot had fans doing protests for it and allsorts.

Instead they gave a series I was never too sure about, and surprise surprise it didn't do too well...

If only people would give fans what they want !!!!!!
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Old October 21st, 2004, 08:56 AM   #9
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In Star Trek-OS we see about three major themes from the Star Trek past:

There was a World War IV - Eugenics War that gave us Khan.

There was a Human-Romulan War in which neither side ever saw the appearance of the other.

The Federation came into a Cold War with the Klingons.

Enterprise has three big story arcs right there that fans would have loved to see. Now the show is on its way to cancellation and nothing has been addressed. I like the idea of Enterprise ending with the Temporal War putting everything back to where it was on episode one of Enterprise as if the series never happened.

I read that Shatner wanted too much money to do Enterprise after much negotiation.
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Antelope I thought Khan was a product of WWIII.
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Old October 21st, 2004, 09:16 AM   #11
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Didn't WWIII come some time after the Eugenics War? (mid 21st century)

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Didn't WWIII come some time after the Eugenics War? (mid 21st century)

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Wow, this topic is sure way off course.

Part of the Star Trek Timeline:


1992

The book "Chicago Mobs of the Twenties" is published.

Khan Noonian Singh rises to power, assuming dictatorial control over one quarter of the planet Earth, from South Asia to the Middle East.

1993

A group of eugenically bred "supermen" seize power simultaneously in some forty of Earth's nations. This begins the Eugenics Wars.

For reference purposes: The Eugenics Wars is not World War III. World War III comes later.

1996

The Eugenics Wars end. The genetic supermen were defeated in part by their own selfish ambition and lack of unity.

The DY-100 class SS Botany Bay, carrying Khan Singh and 83 of his followers in cryogenic freeze, is launched from Earth. Fleeing from persecution on Earth, Khan was hoping to colonize and conquer another world. No one is aware that Khan and his people have escaped (they are listed as unaccounted for) and there are no official records of the Botany Bay's launch.

2043

The Mind Control Revolts begin on Earth. (Star Trek: The Motion Picture novelization, written by Gene Roddenberry)

2047

The Mind Control Revolts end. (Star Trek: The Motion Picture novelization, written by Gene Roddenberry)

World War III begins.

2053

World War III ends. Most of Earth's governments are wiped out.

2077

The New United Nations Organization is done away with, isolationism fills foreign policies around the Earth.

2079

Negotiations break down with terrorist factions in the Middle East. A nuclear missile is launched, resulting in a nuclear exchange. Though only lasting a week, there are 37 million casualties.

For reference purposes: This nuclear exchange is not considered a "World War."

The Post Atomic Horror. Earth tries to recover from the nuclear war. Nations have collapsed. Chaos abounds. While Australia survives, apparently the United States of America does not.

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[QUOTE=antelope526]My mistake :

Until I read the above post I thought the Eugenics War and World War III were one and the same and that there was no other war.

My original World War IV line was a mistake. I meant World War III. I seem to be mistaken even then however.
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In Star Trek-OS Spock only mentions three great Earth wars: World War I, World War II, and World War III. If I remember correctly he gives the death figures for each. We do hear in the Khan episode about a "Eugenics War". Being that killing 34 million would be pretty significant I doubt Spock would have missed that one. Sounds to me we have some more examples of continuity errors between books and other non-screen versions and the various television shows and movies. Of course there are continuity errors among the various shows and movies also although there are some very convoluted excuses for them by those that try to shoe horn things.

Thanks for the rundown scifi.
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All this Star Trek stuff is very interesting, but shouldn't it exist in a relevant thread?

Or am I missing something
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Old October 21st, 2004, 12:56 PM   #17
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I think if they do a James T Kirk story they have a chance of saving Enterprise. To save the future Kirk ends up in the past.
Oh God please NO!! I can't abide Shatner, I love Enterprise the way it is !!!
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All this Star Trek stuff is very interesting, but shouldn't it exist in a relevant thread?

Or am I missing something
OOP!! Sorry RedSalmon Welcome to the Fleets and one of our most anoying habbits we tend to get off track in almost every thread with us just remember " don't judge a thread by it's title" !!
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Threads move off in a direction of their own based on the comments each response engenders. Feel free to respond to the original topic or the new topics raised. This is like a conversation among friends that sometimes moves from subject to subject.
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Ok,

Without rubbing salt in, I suppose it's difficult to keep to a subject without seeing it.

I'll submit spoilers as I see the episodes if appreciated.

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I suppose it's difficult to keep to a subject without seeing it.
You might have a point there LOL but give me till tomorrow and I should be able to join you here in talking about it

And here I thought is was just a case of old age Thanks RedSalmon you made me feel better
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You might have a point there LOL but give me till tomorrow and I should be able to join you here in talking about it

And here I thought is was just a case of old age Thanks RedSalmon you made me feel better

No problem, I'll look forward to seeing what you think

Besides, age is in the head, so people keep reminding me :lol:
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I like the idea of Enterprise ending with the Temporal War putting everything back to where it was on episode one of Enterprise as if the series never happened.
You have to be kidding ! If they do that, all of Star Trek will be cancelled for sure !!!! Dallas has never got over the mockery of their series where they did that....Star Trek wouldn't survive it !!!!

You're absolutely right about the three major story arcs that could be used...and they are just sitting on them...and the show will be cancelled and all of a sudden the producers will be making excuses as to why they didn't get round to it etc etc etc....

The series, and whole fanchise, is going down the pan
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You have to be kidding ! If they do that, all of Star Trek will be cancelled for sure !!!! Dallas has never got over the mockery of their series where they did that....Star Trek wouldn't survive it !!!!

You're absolutely right about the three major story arcs that could be used...and they are just sitting on them...and the show will be cancelled and all of a sudden the producers will be making excuses as to why they didn't get round to it etc etc etc....

The series, and whole fanchise, is going down the pan
I read that the idea of making the whole Enterprise story disappear was seriously considered. I think Enterprise has done a lot to kill the franchise. At least if they did the start from episode one scenario again we could ignore the whole thing just like BG80!

Are the rumors true they put the episodes this season after 13 on hold? If so we may never see the stories they claim we were going to get that explored at least some of those potential story arcs. It's a shame!
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I understood that Enterprise had been given a greenlight for half a season. That is either 12 or 13 episodes, I can't remember...

I think the studio's position was that they would wait and see the fan's recation to the first half, before commissioning the latter half of the season...

At least that is what I last heard, maybe that position will have changed as they may have made some of the episodes....
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I like the new changes. I will defintely tune in more. Though it may have trouble against new episodes of stargate. Friday really is a bad night for it.

But if the writing is as good as the last two, they will grow. The timliine plot was crap. But hopefully the new writing team will steer clear of that as fast as possible.

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Actually, Enterprise is directly up against Andromeda, if they stay in the same time slot. Glad the Temporal Cold War is over. Maybe the writers can stick to stories about that Star Trek time period, although it appears that they may break more of the established canon/history/timelines.
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The problem that I find with this 'canon' debate is that TV series' evolve. Especially ones that are part of a broader story like Star Trek. A lot of the 'history' established in TOS is unworkable today because technology has advanced to the point where a lot of thier futuristic tech is laughable compared to today's technology. The producer's have to stay ahead of where we are.

And if someone starts the history debate, let's turn ti "Space Seed":
The Eugenics Wars were supposed to be in the 1990's, and if they were, I slept through them. TPTB are trying to make it look like OUR future, so yeah, they are going to change things, like kicking back the EW into the 21'st century.

They do not have the option of worrying about the wants of only the old-time viewers, they have to try to bring in a younger audience to make the show viable. So that is going to mean a few changes.

Enterprise is a good series concept, but the only drawback that it is suffering to date was sloppy writing and character development.

Hopefully Manny Coto can fix that, since B&B were unable to do so.
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You can add one obvious example. Space 1999. We obviously didn't lose a moon.

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Though those eagles still look ahead of their time. Helll..ahead of OUR time!
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