"V" Ship Concepts and Plans

peter noble · March 8th, 2009, 04:04 AM

Done by mini series production designer Chuck Davis over a weekend!

gmd3d · March 8th, 2009, 09:52 AM

NICE FIND.. where did you discover these

peter noble · March 8th, 2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taranis

NICE FIND.. where did you discover these

Here: http://www.kennethjohnson.us/V-News.html

Damocles · March 8th, 2009, 10:37 AM

Space 1999 ripoffs?

Gemini1999 · March 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damocles

Space 1999 ripoffs?

Damocles -

Just how exactly are the V designs Space:1999 ripoffs? I'm a big fan of Space:1999 and I don't see the correlation between the two.

Bryan

Damocles · March 8th, 2009, 11:55 AM

The can and strut lander configuration of THIS

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/991...wingspage2.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/880...wingspage7.jpg

Reminds me of this:

Engineering and style wise, its almost the same EXACT concept.

Reaper · March 8th, 2009, 04:39 PM

I can see the similarities with the Eage. Both designs are modual in original with the same front and rear sections mixesd with different moduals.

Nice connection!

Gemini1999 · March 8th, 2009, 07:44 PM

As Reaper pointed out, the modular design concept is used in the same way, but it's not like Space:1999 owned the concept itself. I see a similar use of the concept, but it's hardly a "ripoff".

Space:1999 and V were productions that were made 10 years apart anyways.

Damocles · March 9th, 2009, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gemini1999

As Reaper pointed out, the modular design concept is used in the same way, but it's not like Space:1999 owned the concept itself. I see a similar use of the concept, but it's hardly a "ripoff".

Space:1999 and V were productions that were made 10 years apart anyways.

I wouldn't bet an intellectual copyright on it.

Gemini1999 · March 9th, 2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damocles

I wouldn't bet an intellectual copyright on it.

There might very well be, but if Keith Wilson didn't have a gripe with it, then I don't see why anyone else would. When you're a production designer and you've moved on to other projects 10 years later, it's probably not important, especially after the show's moved out of the public consciousness.

Bryan

Damocles · March 9th, 2009, 08:23 PM

Shrug. I'm just saying...... Look what they had to do with the new Star Trek movie. The Enterprise had to be changed enough so that it didn't look exactly like the 1960's type too closely. It also had to break with the Berman Drek "style".

In these days, intellectual property rights is a very touchy thing-especially after you've thrown a bum, like Rick Berman, and his gang of misfits out of your studio, and off the FRANCHISE.

D.

gmd3d · March 10th, 2009, 02:12 AM

I thought that The Eagle was designed by Brian Johnson..

but most designs seen on screen are based on someone work these days .. in one form or an other.

Bradleyfett · March 10th, 2009, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damocles

Shrug. I'm just saying...... Look what they had to do with the new Star Trek movie. The Enterprise had to be changed enough so that it didn't look exactly like the 1960's type too closely. It also had to break with the Berman Drek "style".

In these days, intellectual property rights is a very touchy thing-especially after you've thrown a bum, like Rick Berman, and his gang of misfits out of your studio, and off the FRANCHISE.

D.

They didn't change the movie Enterprise because of intellectual property rights- is that what you're suggesting? Also, the idea of changing a design by whatever percentage so you don't infringe on someone else's design is a myth.

M

Damocles · March 10th, 2009, 09:28 AM

George Lucass and Glen Larsen didn't think so.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3695069.ece

Intellectual property rights are NOT a joke.

D.

Gemini1999 · March 10th, 2009, 01:49 PM

Folks -

I'm not saying that the whole "intellectual property" issue isn't interesting, but at this point, it seems to be taking over the topic. If you want, I can move all of those posts and start a new thread so the discussion can continue. If the discussion is finished, then get back to the topic at hand please? Remember? "V Concepts and Designs"....

Thanks,

Gemini1999
Colonial Fleets Moderator

Bradleyfett · March 10th, 2009, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damocles

George Lucass and Glen Larsen didn't think so.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle3695069.ece

Intellectual property rights are NOT a joke.

D.

I'm all for getting back to the topic, but I have to address this-

I didn't say that intellectual property rights are a joke- quite the opposite. I meant that this concept of 'you can change a design by a certain percentage (I've heard 10%, I've heard 20%, etc.) and you can't be sued' is not true. There is no such rule. Anything that can be proven to be a 'derivative' of the original work is indeed and infringement.

This is why, despite some conceptual similarities, any design from 'V' could be an infringment on something from Space 1999: nobody would ever look at one of the V ships and say 'hey, didn't I see that in Space 1999'?. Similarly, no judge would consider one a 'derivative work' of the other.

Mark

Damocles · March 10th, 2009, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bradleyfett

I'm all for getting back to the topic, but I have to address this-

I didn't say that intellectual property rights are a joke- quite the opposite. I meant that this concept of 'you can change a design by a certain percentage (I've heard 10%, I've heard 20%, etc.) and you can't be sued' is not true. There is no such rule. Anything that can be proven to be a 'derivative' of the original work is indeed and infringement.

This is why, despite some conceptual similarities, any design from 'V' could be an infringment on something from Space 1999: nobody would ever look at one of the V ships and say 'hey, didn't I see that in Space 1999'?. Similarly, no judge would consider one a 'derivative work' of the other.

Mark

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=16786

peter noble · March 10th, 2009, 05:13 PM

So the Eagle and the V ships have a modular design concept at their heart, they still look nothing alike.

This argument is about as worthy as Star Wars v Battlestar Galactica – and we know how that ended.

Bradleyfett · March 10th, 2009, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damocles

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=16786

Not sure what this is- says I don't have permission to access...

help?

-M

BST · March 10th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bradleyfett

Not sure what this is- says I don't have permission to access...

help?

-M

You do now. Help has arrived.