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October 1st, 2004, 05:38 PM
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I *am* one of the hard core purists you speak of.
Yet I made the post you responded to.
Therefore your reply doesn't ring true, does it?
As to your comment about the shreds of the original Battlestar Galactica series in nuBG: There aren't any. That's the problem. nuBG wants to use the NAME of BG, and attempt to hint at "homages" to the original Battlestar Galactica series , but they fall real flat because they aren't TRUE homages.
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well said Warrior
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October 1st, 2004, 05:45 PM
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With all due respect, those shreds may not seem like "homages" per se. Now that I think about it, I do not really consider them "homages" as much as they are simply "nods" , or perhaps a quick "tip o' the hat" to the original Battlestar Galactica series . An homage suggests something deeper, and perhaps more reverent. What is seen in the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series fits more the definitiion of an "acknowledgement".
Does this seem to have maybe a little logic in the assessment?
Respectfully,
Martok2112
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October 1st, 2004, 05:48 PM
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Renamig the remake into something else:
1. Tales of the Colonies
2. Battlestar Galactica: Else Worlds
3. The Colonial Fleet
4. The Adventures of Viper Pilots In The 20th Dimension
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That's the SPIRIT!
That fourth one was cute, Warrior.
Any other takers?
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Martok2112
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October 1st, 2004, 05:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martok2112
With all due respect, those shreds may not seem like "homages" per se. Now that I think about it, I do not really consider them "homages" as much as they are simply "nods" , or perhaps a quick "tip o' the hat" to the original Battlestar Galactica series . An homage suggests something deeper, and perhaps more reverent. What is seen in the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series fits more the definitiion of an "acknowledgement".
Does this seem to have maybe a little logic in the assessment?
Respectfully,
Martok2112
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Cutting through with a rather broad blade, what is says to me is
"Lip Service" .... nothing more.
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October 1st, 2004, 06:00 PM
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Lip service is such a nasty term.
(Jeez..now I feel like the the little weasel. )
Irreverently,
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October 1st, 2004, 06:02 PM
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*BST whistling while walking, not watching where going, trips and falls on head, .....still whistling...
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October 1st, 2004, 06:03 PM
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I like "The Last Battlestar".
Antelope, please remember there are many different opinions amoung tos fans. I for one would have been alot happier with a different set of names. Though my opnions of the new show are based on its quality, and not its inherited name.
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October 1st, 2004, 06:04 PM
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Steve, read the thread title and you just re-inforced my last post regarding the homage comments
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In other words....
d'oH!!!
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October 1st, 2004, 06:06 PM
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Yes... rename the battlestar to another one, drop all the callsigns.
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October 1st, 2004, 06:27 PM
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Yes... rename the battlestar to another one, drop all the callsigns.
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That would be a good idea
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October 1st, 2004, 11:23 PM
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Mustex, if you are still watching this thread, check out New Scientist .com.
Its a fantastic FREE site that has all kinds of interesting science articles.
I also recommend Scientific American but I prefer Popular Science. I know how it is on a students budget, but New Scientist .com can satisfy that itch.
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October 2nd, 2004, 07:42 AM
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If you want a "reality" SciFi show, create one or watch Firefly.
But remember this: Battlestar Galactica started off as a fantasy based SciFi, much like Star Wars.
There was NO reason to "re-imagine" it. None at all.
Ron Moore's version could very well have been named something else. Everything kept just the way you like, but with a different name.
Amazing how something as simple as that could have avoided so much conflict with fans.
If you truly like the "real science" aspects of Moore's version, then you would have liked it under any other name besides Battlestar Galactica as well.
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AMEN TO THAT! (I knew I needed a smilie, but none seemed appropriate) Of course, I've heard of people accusing Frank Herbert of stealing ideas in "Dune" from "Terminator" (which was made twenty years later), if people can be that stupid, I'm sure that even if you changed all the names there would still be one or two morons on the internet screaming "BSG RIP-OFF!" Especially with Light_Ship over at scifi.com inventing "Star TreK" cliches to find in TNS.
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October 2nd, 2004, 07:46 AM
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Warrior, my dear bloodwine slogging friend (sorry if that last bottle was a little too fresh.....2375 wasn't a very good year. )
I can partially agree with this assessment in this manner:
Look at Smallville.....Clearly it is a story about Superman in his adolescent years as Clark Kent. However, it seems to forego the traditional telling of Superman's story, addressing it more from a teenager's point of view.
Before that, there was also "Lois and Clark: The Adventures of Superman".
Now, the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series clearly foregoes the traditional telling of Battlestar Galactica as we knew it from 1978. Conceivably, it could've been retitled something else with different characters, and different names for the ships....stating in the credits that this "differently named" show was "Based on Battlestar Galactica created by: Glen A. Larson."
However, whenever someone hears the following premise:
A lone, mighty warship, the sole survivor of a once great battlefleet now leads the
last remnants of humanity in a motley fleet of starships to search for a final outpost of humankind in the universe, after a single night of violence and bloodshed perpetrated by a mechanoid race solely intent on enliminating the human race.
There is not much doubt in my mind that they will say: "That is BATTLESTAR GALACTICA."
It is kind of a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" situation for the writers/producers of the new show when it comes to naming the new series "Battlestar Galactica". If it were named anything else, then those who may not have had an affinity for the original Battlestar Galactica series might be turned away from the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series by saying: "God, this is just a ripoff of the original Battlestar Galactica series ." For the very same reason, since it was named "Battlestar Galactica", and since it represents such a radical departure from the traditional tales of the original Battlestar Galactica series , the fans of the original show now say the same thing.
And I do realize that I just cul de sac'd my way into the argument that the original show needed not be remade. All I will say to that regard (after THWACKING myself severely in the THWACK thread) is that the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series is a reflection of modern thinking. Flawed heroes, flawed villains, tons of gray area, somewhat more realistic depictions of space battles, etc. Not that the values of 1978's heroes are outmoded ---far from that....it really just boiled down to bread and circusses.
Now, if you all will excuse me...I do believe I owe myself a THWACKING. You are all invited to attend.
With great humility,
Martok2112
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O.k., I know I've said this before, but someone at scifi.com proposed just "Galactica". If people can stand teenage Superman being "Smallville", would TOS fans have minded that?
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October 2nd, 2004, 07:51 AM
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Quote:
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Renaming the remake into something else:
1. Tales of the Colonies
2. Battlestar Galactica: Else Worlds
3. The Colonial Fleet
4. The Adventures of Viper Pilots In The 20th Dimension
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Hmmmm...take off the "the", and make it just "Colonial Fleet", and it might work. Although I still prefer just "Galactica".
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October 2nd, 2004, 07:53 AM
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I like "The Last Battlestar".
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I could see myself growing to like that one with time.
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