Anime debate

[gmd3d]

What I see is Roughneck Chronicles

[Dawg]

Originally Posted by repcisg

How can anyone call high end CGI cartoon-ish? Just look at the Lord of the Rings!

But another thought! Universal (NBC) owns the Galactica universe, Glen has the rights to make Galactica and Pegasus movies(feature films - not animation), if NBC says it's OK. they cannot give someone else permision. Conversly NBC holds the animation rights and can assign them to who ever they please. The very fact that they said no to Tom indicates they see this as a potental avenue for a future production.

But they won't.

As long as Universal holds the strings, nothing new that is TOS-based will see the light of day.

I'm sure that brings great delight to some.

But it's not stopping the fans from creating their own TOS based stories or even films. We're simply stopping ourselves.

I am
Dawg

[repcisg]

Precisely, Dawg!

[Titon]

Maybe after Richard makes millions he can buy the right from Glen?

Not being mean Paul but it will be a cold day in hell before Glen would sell his rights to Richard. That bridge has been severly burned. If Singer and DeSanto cannot pry them away from Glen what makes you think Richard can?

Gee - I can't imagine who that ONE person would be.... Larson? Moore? Am I getting warm?

Glen.

Don from what I read Larson was only doing an Atlantis or Pegasus film if Hatch had won the rights.

Hatch never had a chance at the rights and severly pissed of Glen by making the second coming. But that's an entirely different story.

Don from what I read Larson was only doing an Atlantis or Pegasus film if Hatch had won the rights.

Nope. Glen has never given up on doing his version of the story. One of the *major* reasons you have not seen anything out of the man. It was and still is his intention to do a story revolving around the first Battlestar or the Pegasus and Cain.

But it's not stopping the fans from creating their own TOS based stories or even films. We're simply stopping ourselves.

Exactly!

[kingfish]

Don so in other words Larson is preventing a project from happening?

[Titon]

Don so in other words Larson is preventing a project from happening?

Glen has always been the one guy that for some reason just will not get off his keester and let it happen. Bar none he owns the thearetical rights but will not committ to letting someone else *help* him realise the dream we've all been waiting for. Close but no cigar.

[gmd3d]

the Pegasus and Cain.

That really would not intrest me as much as the Galactica story. The Cain story while intresting would not have the same drama as the ragtag fleet.
my POV

[kingfish]

So who is preventing a project from happening?

[cranky1c]

With all due respect, isn't Glen Larson about 70? To whome would theatrical rights descend after he passes.

[kingfish]

Cranky, Larson's children would inherit the rights.

[Titon]

Cranky, Larson's children would inherit the rights.

Correct, as long as they keep paying to have them renewed.

[bsg1fan1975]

maybe its because I am old fashioned and was raised on watching live people play roles but to me anime or cartoon like movies with the exception of Disney styled movies are not my thing and that is why I could never accept an animated tOS continuation.

[kingfish]

Didn't hatch make mention of buying the rights from Larson in a chat or newsletter?

I found something but can't remember where I saw it:


Repost Richard Hatch:


"I think anything is possible. That's why I never give up. Depending upon my success with Magellan I may one day be in a position to acquire Battlestar. That would be a dream to live for"

[Titon]

Didn't hatch make mention of buying the rights from Larson in a chat or newsletter?

Anybody can be in position to purchase the rights but the rights holder (Larson) has to be willing to sell to said party. Hatch had financial backing to obtain the rights but Glen and Universal had to intentions of ever selling them to Richard.

[bsg1fan1975]

look we all have differences of opinion, so can we just say live and let live?

[Eric Paddon]

I think what this is coming down to is not a case of whether TOS fandom would object to an animated thing in general and try to prevent it from happening or running it down, it's rather a matter of how we'd treat or regard such a thing. To me, an animated TOS thing can never make any claim to be superior to any other kind of similar TOS continuation entity in non-live action medium such as fanfic, novels, comic books etc. because I do not see animation as being all that different from those other mediums. Therefore, it can only be regarded by me in a low-key "Oh, that's nice" kind of feeling at best, and not this wondrous aura that we've gotten a legit substitute for a "definitive continuation" kind of thing because animation can not ever fulfill that role with me.

[Titon]

look we all have differences of opinion, so can we just say live and let live?

Isn't this where i'm expressing opinion?

I'm not here condemning live action or animation, i'm expressing opinion and that's what discussion forums are for.

Therefore, it can only be regarded by me in a low-key "Oh, that's nice" kind of feeling at best, and not this wondrous aura that we've gotten a legit substitute for a "definitive continuation" kind of thing because animation can not ever fulfill that role with me.

And i respect that position.

[bsg1fan1975]

Originally Posted by Titon

Isn't this where i'm expressing opinion?

I'm not here condemning live action or animation, i'm expressing opinion and that's what discussion forums are for.





And i respect that position.

This was not directed at you but to those who keep insisting that there is only one choice if we should ever have the miracle of a continuation! I was just trying to help the idea along!

[Titon]

This was not directed at you but to those who keep insisting that there is only one choice if we should ever have the miracle of a continuation! I was just trying to help the idea along!

Understood.

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by bsg1fan1975

This was not directed at you but to those who keep insisting that there is only one choice if we should ever have the miracle of a continuation! I was just trying to help the idea along!

Bsg1fan -

I don't think that anyone was saying that anime was the single best way to go with a continuation. I think that I can safely say that nobody would prefer it to a live action film, but for some of us it would be an acceptable alternative if a live action film just isn't going to happen.

In the end, it isn't up to us to decide - that's in the hands of producers and studio execs. I think that the conversation is indeed interesting to say the least. Like so many discussions regarding the possiblity, it's all just for discussion's sake.

As usual, I don't expect an agreement to come out of the discussion as there are so many ideas and so many opnions being presented.

Best,
Bryan

[Dawg]

I certainly wouldn't reject outright an anime TOS effort - as long as it went beyond the cartoon, as long as the story was good and the writing tight.

But overall my current leanings are more along the lines Eric's laid out.

Now, if the anime can bring the same kind of crisp, realistic SFX that Zoic's done for TNS (no, I'm not talking about the shaky camera and super-quick cuts, but the ships, etc.) to the characters, I'm all over it. It's a lot easier to believe we're watching people rather than cartoons that way.

My overall preference, though, remains and will always be live-action.

I am
Dawg

[Titon]

Now, if the anime can bring the same kind of crisp, realistic SFX that Zoic's done for TNS (no, I'm not talking about the shaky camera and super-quick cuts, but the ships, etc.) to the characters, I'm all over it. It's a lot easier to believe we're watching people rather than cartoons that way.

This is exactly what i meant as well my friend. I'm not looking to have a Incredibles style cartoon but something as close to realism as you can get. To me even the overall cartoon look like the Classic Trek is a no no.

[jewels]

I'm thinking characters even better (real facial proportion's wise) as Appleseed and the hair is as well done as Incredibles (their hair actually got mussed up). Ships as good as Zoic's beauty shots, with editing that lets you see the action in detail. No zoom, zoom, zoom. Leave that for a car commercial.

I would see it as a bridge to a possible live action piece. But state of the art animation is the way to go, not blackline/handdrawn cartoon.

Jewels

[kingfish]

Is Glen involved with the new series? He supposedly stated that he wasn't happy with it at Galacticon but is credited as Consulting Producer on nu galactica. This is besides being credited as the creator of the original series.

[Eric Paddon]

I think the title "consulting producer" was just a title they had to give him to settle legal matters resulting from how much as creator of the original he was entitled to get from what this generates. Even DeSanto still had some title in connection with the miniseries to avoid falling afoul of the original contractual obligations.

[jewels]

I suspect it also ties him into a non-compete situation, Eric and Paul.

They won't fight having to pay him, IF he doesn't put out a competitive product at the same time. (this is just theory)

Jewels

[kingfish]

Originally Posted by jewels

I suspect it also ties him into a non-compete situation, Eric and Paul.

They won't fight having to pay him, IF he doesn't put out a competitive product at the same time. (this is just theory)

Jewels

The way he is going, I must wonder if we will see it in our lifetime.

[Eric Paddon]

I think the real sad thing is that Glen Larson has never appreciated how much so many people enjoyed this particular show and unlike any other show that has his name on it, felt a connection with the characters and storylines. Every other show of Larson's that I can think of basically revolves around a particular gimmick and a series that is ultimately formula driven in all respects. Think "Knight Rider" and "Quincy" and "McCloud" where you can be entertained for a time but then everything kind of wears thin after a while because there's no place to go with those stories except more of the same formula. So we have the implausibility of "McCloud" which tests our patience with the idea that a New Mexico cop has to spend this much time in New York learning police methods and that his chief is going to keep blustering and getting ticked off at him no matter how many times McCloud comes through, or "Quincy" which became nothing but an "issue of the week" show over and over because there was only so much one can do to create good murder mystery plots in that kind of format, and the less said about how ridiculously implausible "Knight Rider" is after awhile, the better (though I'll still get the Season 2 DVDs just to see Rebecca Holden!).

"Galactica" though is different and based on the descriptions of what Larson supposedly wanted to do, it's quite apparent that all he wants to do is create another gimmick grabber rather than realize what a good thing he had to begin with, and that to me is very sad when the guy who made it all possible to begin with, doesn't realize how well-loved his creation has become.

[kingfish]

Well stated Eric. We saw something we liked and poof it was gone, replaced with Galactica 1980. Although I liked 1980 we would have been fracked if it went on. Larson was using Dirk as the John[ Edward Mulhare] character on tos.