The Winner of the US Presidential Election Is, Again...

[Darth Marley]

I think your views give credence to the rest of the world's notion that America is acting hypocritically.

It is not a side show, and frankly, trying to paint opposing views as such exposes your argument as weak.

America does not get everything right, and prohibition is a clear case of that, right along with slavery and universal sufferage.

The notion that one US candidate would have to have a different issue on the cannabis issue to justify fear of US meddling in terms of that issue is not a rational statment. While both candidates may be too cowardly to suggest change here, one of them might see that if Canada wants to take the same approach Alaska has regarding cannabis use, then we should not intervene.

[Eric Paddon]

"The notion that one US candidate would have to have a different issue on the cannabis issue to justify fear of US meddling in terms of that issue is not a rational statment. "

Oh yes it is when that issue is being used to justify one's characterization of the outcome of the election, which is the point you're missing.

[BST]

Ok guys, enough on the "pot" issue!

Can we at least agree that if Canada is considering the decriminalization of marijuana and does pass such a law, that it would be necessary to coordinate cross-border issues, with respect to marijuana, with the US? In other words, "importing/exporting", i.e., not having it with you as you enter Canada and leaving it behind when you leave Canada.

Bottom line, as it now stands, possession, cultivation, and consumption of marijuana is illegal in the United States and Canada.

Would you both agree that we have, at least, a bit of common ground?

[Ian_W359]

Erm.... changing the subject....

Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?

Ian W359

[Darth Marley]

What happened to Duncan?

[BST]

Originally Posted by Ian_W359

Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?

The media will probably follow political ideology -- I doubt very much that they would cross party lines.


Casting politics aside for a moment:

In my own personal opinion, Tony Blair is a man of honor who stands behind and alongside his friends and allies, in their time of need. Mr. Blair has my respect and thanks, for all that he's done, for the US.

I would like to think that a very healthy percentage of Americans view him in the same light, regardless of political persuasion.

Thanks for asking this question, Ian. I appreciate the opportunity to give my POV.

[braxiss]

remember that we're suppose to all be freinds here, so if at all possible can we keep the blood shed to a minimum in here?

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by Ian_W359

Erm.... changing the subject....

Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?

Ian W359

Ian -

Tony Blair - a third term? Now there's a man I would love to vote for!

Cheers,

Bryan

[BST]

Originally Posted by braxiss

remember that we're suppose to all be freinds here, so if at all possible can we keep the blood shed to a minimum in here?

Well, I don't know.....those 3 beady-eyed pumpkins staring at me, look like they're up to no good!

[braxiss]

Originally Posted by BST

Well, I don't know.....those 3 beady-eyed pumpkins staring at me, look like they're up to no good!

lol


i'll be good i promise

Originally Posted by Ian_W359

Erm.... changing the subject....

Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?

Ian W359

Given the ultra right wing shift in U.S. politics, Americans don't care what foreigners in other parts of the world are up to. If it doesn't involve Americans, it don't matter. We just care about our own interests and to heck with everyone else.

[jewels]

Originally Posted by Ian_W359

Erm.... changing the subject....

Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?

Ian W359

Ian, since Mr. Blair has stood with Mr. Bush on Iraq and our news media is opposed to the whole Iraq thing I would guess that there will be subtle and not so subtle rooting for Mr. Blair's opponent(s) in our media's coverage. I think he's been a good statesmen for you and kept the UK in the place in world politics it belongs (not overshadowed by the EU, like most of Europe and not mamby-pamby like the French). I doubt he will be treated well by our media. I think he deserves the honor of a trusted friend and foxhole mate. I think he was my country's best friend in some of our darkest-to-date days and I can only wish him well and your country well with those elections. If I'm correct, I hope our media has as much influence on your country's or parliment's vote as those Guardian folks had on my former state--none.

[BST]

Originally Posted by Bijou88

Given the ultra right wing shift in U.S. politics, Americans don't care what foreigners in other parts of the world are up to. If it doesn't involve Americans, it don't matter. We just care about our own interests and to heck with everyone else.

Hmm, didn't take too long for my point to be proven.

[warhammerdriver]

I saw an interesting map in today's paper about the election. The states were not colored red/bush blue/kerry. Each individual county was colored red or blue. There was a lot of red on that map and very little blue. Even in states that Kerry won. By the looks of that map Kerry won in the large cities (NYC, LA, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and so on) but Bush won almost everything else.

[Eric Paddon]

Originally Posted by Ian_W359

Erm.... changing the subject....
Given the 'reaction' of the of some of the British newspapers to Bush's victory, what do you think the US media interest in Tony Blair's attempt for a third term as Prime Minister (sometime early next year) will be?
Ian W359

The liberal US media's hatred for George W. Bush will make them hope that Blair loses so they can spin it as a big story (as opposed to their total silence on the recent election in Australia). If Blair wins, I expect it to be downplayed, which is ironic because since Blair's Labour party credentials in the past made him a favorite of American liberals who despised Margaret Thatcher and the Conservatives for the same reason of supporting U.S. foreign policy in the Reagan years.

The ideal dream scenario for the US media elite is to see Blair ousted as Labour party leader so Labour stays in power with an anti-US posture in foreign policy.

[BST]

Originally Posted by warhammerdriver

I saw an interesting map in today's paper about the election. The states were not colored red/bush blue/kerry. Each individual county was colored red or blue. There was a lot of red on that map and very little blue. Even in states that Kerry won. By the looks of that map Kerry won in the large cities (NYC, LA, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and so on) but Bush won almost everything else.

WHD,

Considering your above post and the sidebar about Tony Blair and the US media handling of his re-election bid, etc., check the map again: Kerry won in the states containing the "major" media centers of the US - NY, LA, Chicago, Boston, Philly, DC, etc, but like you said, Bush won everywhere else. Interesting, eh?

[Darth Marley]

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