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Old December 9th, 2003, 01:33 PM   #31
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Not that I watched it, or would even think of it, but maybe Ron Moore is leaving the door open for the cylon "god" to be Count Iblis?
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Old December 9th, 2003, 01:41 PM   #32
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I vowed I would not do it. I swore to myself that I would not watch the mini. But I did. Part 1 I saw. To be honest, and I have no reason not to be about this, I was curious about the special effects, ships, and dogfights. I love space battles, and although story is the most important part of a good sci-fi movie, I love space battles. So I watched part 1. When I got home from work it was halfway over so I watched the second half. They they replayed it and I watched the first half, and then having seen both halves regardless of the order, I turned off the TV. I have known for over a year, thanks to Stray Viper, about this reimagining, and for a year I have loathed it, dreaded it, hated it, regretted it, having read early reviews of the script and some detailed summaries. I wanted, and still want more than ever, a continuation of the classic series with surviving actors replaying surviving characters. But here is what I think of the mini so far, as far as part 1:

It is NOT Battlestar Galactica. Not by a long shot. It is NOT a substitute for my beloved BSG from my childhood. It was bad in a lot of areas, and worse in some others, but I have to admit I found some of it interesting and well done.

Here is what I didn't like:
You spend 2 hours getting to know the main characters and at the end you're still not sure if you care about them or not. In the classic pilot, within 5 minutes, you loved Adama, Apollo, Boomer, Starbuck, Zack, Athena, ect.
Wait, scratch that. I knew within one minute that I despised the new Colonel Tigh. What a freakin' loser.
I hated the amount of sex in the first half hour, or in the show at all. Like Star Wars, there was no sex in the original BSG, and this one smacks of it, and it was annoying, boring, and ridiculous. The scene where Boomer fights with the deck chief all the way off the flight deck and into another room, only to drop the facade and procede to slurp each other's tonsils would have been funny if it hadn't been just another out of place, unnessessary attempt at a turn-on scene.

I love Edward James Olmos, but there was nothing interesting, noble, dignified, or admirable about this Adama.
I thought the intro was going to be cool, I thought it was going to be great. But then it sucked. No, it was just stupid. If anyone watched this, I'm talking about the the part after the narrative which said that every year a human rep went to the meeting place to meet with the Cylon rep in order to foster communications between them. That part was interesting. Every year the human sits at the table and no Cylon shows up. Still interesting. Then, this time, the door at the end of the room suddenly opens and the rep was shocked, and nervous. Cool. Then you hear the famous sound of the classic Cylon eye swinging back and forth, and 2 Cylon war drones walk in and stand at the door. Cool. The man is really nervous now. Cool. Then the human looking drone, Number 6...6 of 10, or whatever you want to label her walks in, looking sexy and suggestive. Stoopid. Then she sits in front of him on the table and acts all sexy and seductive. Stoopid. Then she makes out with him. Really stoopid. Then Cylon ships fire missils at the space station and it starts to blow up, while she continues to make out with him and suck on his lips. Man, give me a break. If they wanted to destroy the space station with the human waiting inside it, why waste time sending a human shaped robot to make him hot and bothered and make-out with him? What the hell was the purpose of that event, that scene, that confrontation? It was just a sad excuse to inject some sex right into the start of the story.

Although the idea of a computer virus disabling the advanced Colonial fighters was a good concept, I find it hard to believe that a society so afraid of technology due to the Cylons would be so dependant on computers.

I liked the new Vipers. I hated the new ship Galactica. The classic ship was cool from whatever direction you saw it from. This new ship, no matter what direction I saw it from, I still can't figure out what it looks like, what its contours and proportions are. I also didn't like that this museum bound ship had no weaponry to repel approaching Cylon fighters. It was a sitting whale as the nuclear missile homed in on it. Yet it survived a direct hit from a nuke? WTF? I can't believe that for a moment. I cannot suspend disbelief to that degree for the sake of entertainment.

I liked the landing bays though, and much of the interiors, though the bridge was dull, too cramped, and illogical. I did not like the familiarity of the ships crew and stations. As mentioned last year, it was right off of an American aircraft carrier. Every tech and deck hand and personal actions were exactly like an Earth naval ship. So instead of this seeming like a distant, mythological society, it just seems like a future Earth. The civilians even wore button down shirts, ties, and suit jackets, and other types of Earth clothes. Anyone not knowing the true story, coming in past the intro, would assume that this story involved future Earth.

The new Cylon raiders (if that's what they still call them) were a surprise, even though I had seen rough sketches months ago. Sweet. Seriously, the fighters rocked. Seriously.

I hated that Starbuck was given boobs. Starbuck is supposed to be a man, Moore! I hated that.

But, take away the name Starbuck, and I actually liked the character that Katee Sackoff played (ducks as purists flings heavy objects). Take away the name Starbuck, the insult to a classic hero, and take away the cigar, and give her a different name, and I liked her. Sorry, after a whole year of hating the whole idea of Katee playing Starbuck, a character who's shoes no one else can fill, I have to admit I liked the character herself, minus the name, of course.

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Old December 9th, 2003, 01:42 PM   #33
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**Part Two**

There was only one thing in this show that really reminded me of classic Galactica. You see a small boy exit a crowd of people, to be saved by Boomer, and even though his name is not said, his age and haircut screams the name Boxey. I didn't care for Boxey in the original, and I don't care to see this character now, but he was obviously Boxey is all I'm saying.

Baltar was not the scheming, sly traitor as in the classic. He was a putz, a moron who fell into a trap laid by his robot lover who becomes an unwitting traitor, but not an intentional one. Yet, he isn't written well enough to hate him for being a traitor, or feel bad for him for being duped, but simply to dislike him for being an uninteresting character and a self-serving idiot to boot. Moore even had the perfect chance to make us hate him for his greed or evil. With the nukes going off in every city, Boomer's ship could only hold a few people to take to safety. So they took children first, and then with room for only 3 more peeps, held an impromptu lottery. The last number, 47, was called, and Baltar looked at his paper. He didn't have the number. Then an old woman said to him, "I don't have my glasses, can you tell me what my number is?" and he looked at her number and saw that it was 47. So what would the evil, dispicable Baltar do? Tell her her number was 12, and then announce that he had the winning number, right? But no, he did the right thing, and announced, "This women has 47, she gets to go to safety!" and pointed to the woman. WTF? How do you dislike the man for that? Oh yeah, easy. He was a dull, dreary, idiot anyway.

I did not like Boomer being a woman. Boomer is supposed to be a dude. But this Boomer, well, I like her. The actress/character was really the only bright light in the whole thing (even though I admitted that I liked Katee Sackoff).

There was no central villian. Every saga needs a villian. You barely if at all see Cylon robots (the fighters were robots, I think, like the TF droid fighters), and the only Cylon who had a presence was Baltar's lover. She was the one who revealed her whole plot to Baltar and told him how she'd used him to get the computer codes--or whatever it was--and how that very day everything the humans stood for was going to be destroyed. But she is not the main, head mastermind Cylon (unless that is Ronald Moore's story direction), and there is no Imperious Leader or any evil leader to provide a centerpoint of dread or masterminding shemes.

Some of the scenes and dialogue was well played and acted, but much more of the script was weak and unfulfilling. It wasn't engaging, and some of their reactions to the start of the war (or lack of reaction) were restrained and illogical. You weren't given enough to care about the characters or their society. I can't explain it fully because I didn't try to analyze each bit of the show. But the story, rather the rewritten, remade story, was weak. It could have been done a lot better, there was so much potential there, but it was wasted. If this hadn't been Battlestar Galactica, it would have been interesting. Actually, without the BSG name that detracts from the classic show and my hopes for a proper continuation, and with a tighter script and better direction, this could have been a very good show. I won't accept this over the beloved classic, not by any means, but I'm saying, perhaps admitting, that I could have gotten into this had it been done right, and done without the BSG name.

The battle scenes...cool. Sweet. I liked the space battles, the intense shooting between Vipers and Raiders, and the fast moving, streaking and swerving manuevers and chases of the fighters, were short but fun to watch. Though the Vipers were shooting bullets rather than lasers, the rapid, machine-gun fire shot out of ther cannons with firebursts that looked almost like short lasers firing out. I am a big fan of rich movie scores to enhance and move the action scenes, but strangely enough the lack of music during the dogfighting scenes were slightly mystifying, and I think I enjoyed that somewhat.

I don't like the amount of nuclear missiles that were used by the Cylon fighters. It made sense to send a crap storm of nukes down on Caprika, rather than destroy the cities by laser fire like in the original, but every time they went after a ship, a cruiser, a shuttle, they fired nukes at it. C'mon, why no laser fire or smaller, non-nuclear missiles? Do you really need a nuclear explosion to destroy a shuttle?

I hated the shaky hand camera filming in many of the scenes. It was distracting, out of place, and poorly done.
I especially liked the manuevering thrusters used by the Vipers during landing, and space manuevers. Very nice touch.

I could say more about it, but I don't remember more at this time. But I have to admit that without the BSG name on it, and with a better script, better direction, and a more centralized villian, this would have been, could have been, a very good show. But it wasn't and isn't, and unless Glen Larson can pull off his hat trick and bring the true BSG to the silver screen, this remake is ruining the name and concept of BSG.
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Old December 9th, 2003, 03:27 PM   #34
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I hated that Starbuck was given boobs. Starbuck is supposed to be a man, Moore! I hated that.

But, take away the name Starbuck, and I actually liked the character that Katee Sackoff played (ducks as purists flings heavy objects). Take away the name Starbuck, the insult to a classic hero, and take away the cigar, and give her a different name, and I liked her. Sorry, after a whole year of hating the whole idea of Katee playing Starbuck, a character who's shoes no one else can fill, I have to admit I liked the character herself, minus the name, of course.


Stardoe didn't annoy me as much as I though she would. Then again, I had such low in the gutter expectations of her that it would be difficult for her to fall even lower. I can't stand Apollo. He reminds me of a whiny wimp-ass ex-boyfriend of mine. Too bad despite the cliffhanger ending last night, he will be back tonight.
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Old December 9th, 2003, 03:39 PM   #35
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Old December 9th, 2003, 03:51 PM   #36
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Default Hmmmm. . .

It wasn't terrible and it had its good moments, but this miniseries lacked a few things that the original series had . . . a charasmatic cast, great music, cheesy fun, and . . . magic.
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Old December 9th, 2003, 05:01 PM   #37
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Angry Worse pieace of garbage Ever!

When I was 7 years old Battlestar galactica was something that my Father and I would never miss. Recintly, I got the whole series on Dvd and my 6 year old son and I have been watching the whole series. We were both excited when we heard that they were bring the series back. So yesterday on a Monday, I let my 6 year old son stay up late on a school night and together we watched the biggest peice of Garbage!!! Ever put on T.V. They could of at least warrened everyone at the beginning with some kind of disclamer!! Like this is not the great Family show you remember it has Adult situations and exteame violence! Why does the SCI-FI channel think that family shows like Battlestar = Bad rating's? The old series was one of the most highest rated series ever and it was safe for family's! How do I explain to my 6 yr old why the blond lady killed a Baby. Thank god for my original series set on Dvd so at least a great series won't DIE!!
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Rieth I like your mind set! I can see where you are coming from and agree.
I myself couldn't even watch more that two minutes of the show. I just couldn't stomach it any longer.

(Still wonders how I made it through the lowdown)

I'll just focus on what still could be..............

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Old December 9th, 2003, 05:46 PM   #39
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I'm sorry to here that armor10. I told all my family and friends with young children a head of time about the sex and violence.
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Just watching part two now and I must ask:

Why must Moore keep using children as the things to kill to prove his point that the Cylons are evil? Would the destruction of the colonies be enough for that?

I think he has crossed a very bad line with those bits.
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For an advance tech. society, they use an awful lot of paper printouts.

And what's with the Cylons bleeding?:confused:
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For an advance tech. society, they use an awful lot of paper printouts.
No kidding! That is going to have to change, since they won't have any planets anymore!!
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What I don't understand is why didn't they spend some money on some background music? All they've used is bad drums and a whine reminiscence of Xena. ??
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See THAT is the whole damm problem in a nut shell. The FX were pretty good with the acception of starbuck the acting realy isn't that bad. There were problems witht he script but over all it was sortof ok. HOWEVER its NOT BSG!!! That is the whole damm problem here. This isn't a reinvitioning of an old show. Its down right ripping off the name and making some other completely different thing.

With any other name and all the ships and character names etc changed I probibly would ahve watched this and been excited. As it is I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth and a firm desire to boycot/hurt/harass all the ppl that advertised/backed this crap.

Did anyone notice that 80% of the things advertised were ether other TV shows or things that aren't realy easy to "boycot". Stuff like that dept solutions company. I personaly think that hard good advertisers were scared to death of advertiseing during this. Which shows we realy had already won and didn't even know it. Although I'm suprised about KAY jewlers. If I ever buy jewlery sure as hell won't be from there.

To sum this up the problem here is very simple. Ron Moore doesn't have enough pull to get his own stuff made so he had to rip off the BSG name to do it. He's a thief or is he just a weasle? Got me but you know what I mean.
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I agree. I would have liked this show much better, and might even be into a series of it, if it just wasn't Battlestar Galactica.
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Did anyone notice that 80% of the things advertised were ether other TV shows or things that aren't realy easy to "boycot". Stuff like that dept solutions company. I personaly think that hard good advertisers were scared to death of advertiseing during this. Which shows we realy had already won and didn't even know it. Although I'm suprised about KAY jewlers. If I ever buy jewlery sure as hell won't be from there.
Acura, Office Max, Panasonic, Sprint and X-Box, as well as New Lines "RETURN OF THE KING" are pretty big advertisers, and those are the comercials that I am seeing the most of. So those are pretty big "good advertisers" that were perfectly willing to advertise. I don't think they are too scared of alienating BATTLESTAR GALACTICA fans, and they know most of them will be seeing the commercials.
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Old December 9th, 2003, 10:48 PM   #47
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Default Roxette and Bowie in the same sig????

Wow,I never thought I would see such a sight.
But then I love Bowie,and think Roxette is fluff.

I also think the original series of BSG was more fluff than soul,but that is just one man's opinion.

As for Number 6,...she's got the look!
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