 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
|
April 18th, 2003, 11:43 PM
|
#31
|
Stablemaster, Livery Ship
 | Fleet Modertor | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wandering Indiana
Posts: 5,101
|
There's a comment Bryan Singer makes on the Xmen 1.5 disc, quoting something that Tom kept telling the writers and production staff, it was something like: "Stay true to the lore."
What a difference a little respect for the existing story can make.
__________________
"We feel free when we escape – even if it be but from the frying pan to the fire." Mozzie on White Collar
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." Malcolm Reynolds [/color]
"We don't dictate to countries, we liberate countries." Mitt Romney [/color]
|
|
|
|
April 19th, 2003, 06:28 AM
|
#32
|
Warrior
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 304
|
I WISH POPLE WOULD KILLING OF STARBUCK
xanatos,
I'm interpretting this as
I wish people would stop killing off Starbuck
Personally, I wish someone would admit that Starbuck is a guy instead of a female named Kara, and get rid of the Star Trek ties. While I'm a big ST fan, and am even still trying to watch Enterprise (it looses my interest half the time, at least), the name Kara even sounds similar to Kira from DS9. Of course, that was her family name.
__________________
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Tilting at the SciFi windmill"
|
|
|
|
April 19th, 2003, 09:52 AM
|
#33
|
Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: DALLAS, TX
Posts: 124
|
Quote:
Originally posted by LucianG
I WISH POPLE WOULD KILLING OF STARBUCK
xanatos,
I'm interpretting this as
I wish people would stop killing off Starbuck
Personally, I wish someone would admit that Starbuck is a guy instead of a female named Kara, and get rid of the Star Trek ties. While I'm a big ST fan, and am even still trying to watch Enterprise (it looses my interest half the time, at least), the name Kara even sounds similar to Kira from DS9. Of course, that was her family name.
|
I though Kira's family name was Nerys.
|
|
|
|
April 19th, 2003, 10:33 AM
|
#34
|
Snowball, My Angel Baby
 | Admin | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Somewhere across the heavens... aka Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 9,192
|
Quote:
Originally posted by LucianG
the name Kara even sounds similar to Kira from DS9. Of course, that was her family name.
***
Originally posted by GalacticanCajun
I though Kira's family name was Nerys.
|
FYI, GalacticanCajun --
In the Bajoran culture, the family name is first, followed by the given name. Hence, "Nerys" and "Laren" would be the first names of the officers we know as 'Major Kira' and 'Ensign/Lt. Ro'.
BST
Editted to correct spelling to 'Laren' and also to add reference to the ST:TNG episode--'Ensign Ro' (where Ensign Ro enlightened Captain Picard on the Bajoran naming custom).
Last edited by BST; April 19th, 2003 at 10:44 AM..
|
|
|
|
April 19th, 2003, 11:59 AM
|
#35
|
COMPLETELY BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 129
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Warrior
It also shows DeSantos watched the series rather than just the pilot ep like some other writer!
|
Let's see, DeSanto had Eastern Alliance, there's a small mention of the ship of lights and also a comment about the legendary Comander Cain.
I guess it's safe to say that Tom viewed more episodes than just the pilot.
__________________
"If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
-Ronald D. Moore-
|
|
|
|
April 19th, 2003, 09:21 PM
|
#36
|
Demonslayer Vulcan Torturer
 | Digital Artist | | BG: The Second Coming |  | Special Effects Artist | | Battlestar Galactica 2003 |
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: TX, USA
Posts: 295
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Warrior
Athena was a warrior pilot in the same ep that introduced Serena, Brie and co as Warrior pilots: That ep where they all began training because the male pilots fell ill.
It'd stand to reason that Athena continued on later as a Warrior pilot.
It also shows DeSantos watched the series rather than just the pilot ep like some other writer!
|
I know he watched the WHOLE series. He had the masters on his desk! He also had quite a collection of material, and even a "Chariots of the Gods" book on his desk.
Saw them with my very own eyes. Uncut, no commercials. Would have loved to sit down and watch them all.
Ken
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 06:56 AM
|
#37
|
Strike Leader
 | Administrator | | Battlestar Pacifica | | Battlestar Rycon |
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delray Beach, Florida
Posts: 2,949
|
Moore watched one episode. No wonder it is all frelled up. :confused:
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 07:06 AM
|
#38
|
Stablemaster, Livery Ship
 | Fleet Modertor | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wandering Indiana
Posts: 5,101
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Raymar3d
I know he watched the WHOLE series. He had the masters on his desk! He also had quite a collection of material, and even a "Chariots of the Gods" book on his desk.
Saw them with my very own eyes. Uncut, no commercials. Would have loved to sit down and watch them all.
Ken
|
Key word: masters, uncut, no commercials.
And this guy had tracked down a copy of Chariots of the Gods for background, too. Why do I think so much would have been so VERY well done.....
I hope X2 just makes bundles of money. What could have been done with our Battlestar.... There is still time Universal... There is still time.
Jewels
__________________
"We feel free when we escape – even if it be but from the frying pan to the fire." Mozzie on White Collar
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." Malcolm Reynolds [/color]
"We don't dictate to countries, we liberate countries." Mitt Romney [/color]
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 10:32 AM
|
#39
|
Warrior
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: DALLAS, TX
Posts: 124
|
Quote:
Originally posted by BST
FYI, GalacticanCajun --
In the Bajoran culture, the family name is first, followed by the given name. Hence, "Nerys" and "Laren" would be the first names of the officers we know as 'Major Kira' and 'Ensign/Lt. Ro'.
BST
Editted to correct spelling to 'Laren' and also to add reference to the ST:TNG episode--'Ensign Ro' (where Ensign Ro enlightened Captain Picard on the Bajoran naming custom).
|
I guess I forgot that. I have seen every STNG and DS9 episode. Thanks for the info:colwar:
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 10:59 AM
|
#40
|
Warrior
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 304
|
BST,
Thanks! I knew I remembered that being explained somewhere, but I couldn't have told you in what episode if my life had depended on it! Odo called Major Kira "Nerys" quite often after they became close.
Lucian
__________________
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Tilting at the SciFi windmill"
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 06:23 PM
|
#41
|
COMPLETELY BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 129
|
Quote:
Originally posted by jewels
And this guy had tracked down a copy of Chariots of the Gods for background, too. Why do I think so much would have been so VERY well done.....
I hope X2 just makes bundles of money. What could have been done with our Battlestar.... There is still time Universal... There is still time.
Jewels
|
Ditto!
I think both Tom and Ron were on the same wavelength about making a darker, edgier updated Galactica production. As KF2 mentioned, Tom's vision is not exactly G Rated.
The difference is both Tom and Bryan Singer were fans of the original series and they took the extra time to work their new vision of Battlestar Galactica into the timeline of the original series. They wanted the original fans along for the ride as well as new fans.
Ron has openly admitted that he didn't like the original 3 hour pilot and had bad memories of the series when he watched it back in the late 70s. He refuses to revisit the entire series and he and David Eicke are so damn arrogant in believing that the real Galactica fans would give it a chance.
I just hope that we are right and this fanbase makes a difference in making or breaking Ron's mini series in ratings.

__________________
"If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
-Ronald D. Moore-
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 06:28 PM
|
#42
|
Stablemaster, Livery Ship
 | Fleet Modertor | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wandering Indiana
Posts: 5,101
|
Scooter: it won't be just us: it will be all the folks that realize a bait and switch has occurred.
__________________
"We feel free when we escape – even if it be but from the frying pan to the fire." Mozzie on White Collar
"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." Malcolm Reynolds [/color]
"We don't dictate to countries, we liberate countries." Mitt Romney [/color]
|
|
|
|
April 20th, 2003, 07:55 PM
|
#43
|
You old war daggit!
 | Owner/Webmaster | | RadioGalactica |
Join Date: May 2001
Location: canada
Posts: 988
|
One thing I feel that is important to keep in mind is respect to the fan base.
Yes we have things that we are totally against and yes we have things that we don't like but would be willing to let slide.
Tom paid respect to the fans in general when it came to the direction he took Galactica so the fans would have been more willing to over look some things that they didn't really agree with. More Forgiving as you will.
Ronald D. Moore jumped on the scene with a huge slap in the face towards the fans and hasn't stopped. That's why the fans are not holding back. The lack of respect baffles me. I will give credit where I feel that it's due and he did speak to the fans but his words ended up angering the fan base even further.
If I were to treat a fan base with disrespect by doing so many things to there show to upset them, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't expect that fan base to support my actions.
And being that it was us to make it feasible to bring this show back in the first place, it's just wrong to be going against the majority of the Battlestar Galactica fans.
I sure hope that we can catch a break and get Tom back in this with a continuation. After this last year, the fans of Battlestar Galactica more then deserve one.
OWD
__________________
Desanto and Larson, Larson and desanto.
Did you see that? I think the Giant just opened an eye.
OWD
|
|
|
|
April 21st, 2003, 11:17 AM
|
#44
|
COMPLETELY BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 129
|
Quote:
Originally posted by oldwardaggit
One thing I feel that is important to keep in mind is respect to the fan base.
Yes, we have things that we are totally against and yes we have things that we don't like but would be willing to let slide.
Tom paid respect to the fans in general when it came to the direction he took Galactica so the fans would have been more willing to over look some things that they didn't really agree with. More Forgiving as you will.
|
a good example for starters on showing respect towards the fans is to set their production in the same time lime as the original series. (Preferably the distant past)
Unlike most original fans here, the rape scenes, handjobs,sex scenes and lack of family viewing quality has never been an issue with me (although I find the hand jobs and sex scenes unnecessary).
I find it so arrogant that they (Ron and Dave) are telling us to accept Katee Sackholf as Starbuck instead of a completely new and different character. That is just the tip of the iceburg with my gripes.
I think it's safe to say that more than 60% of real BSG fans would at least give the mini series a chance, if it was somehow set in the same timeline as the original series. We didn't ask for too much in our compromise to (Moore and Eicke) two people who has no love for the original series nor it's fans.
Quote:
Originally posted by oldwardaggit
If I were to treat a fan base with disrespect by doing so many things to there show to upset them, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't expect that fan base to support my actions.
And being that it was us to make it feasible to bring this show back in the first place, it's just wrong to be going against the majority of the Battlestar Galactica fans.[/B]
|
My feelings exactly.
Quote:
Originally posted by oldwardaggit
I sure hope that we can catch a break and get Tom back in this with a continuation. After this last year, the fans of Battlestar Galactica more then deserve one.
|
__________________
"If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
-Ronald D. Moore-
|
|
|
|
April 21st, 2003, 01:23 PM
|
#45
|
Bad Email Address
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: N.J
Posts: 147
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Scooter2000
Ditto!
The difference is both Tom and Bryan Singer were fans of the original series and they took the extra time to work their new vision of Battlestar Galactica into the timeline of the original series. They wanted the original fans along for the ride as well as new fans.
BUT, RON CLAIMED HE WAS A FAN OF BG?
He refuses to revisit the entire series and he and David Eicke are so damn arrogant in believing that the real Galactica fans would give it a chance.
AND THERE ARROGANCE WILL BE THERE DOWN FALL
|
|
|
|
|
April 21st, 2003, 04:30 PM
|
#46
|
Snowball, My Angel Baby
 | Admin | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Somewhere across the heavens... aka Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 9,192
|
Kingfish and GalacticanCajun,
No problem.
********************
Quote:
Originally posted by Scooter2000
Unlike most original fans here, the rape scenes, handjobs,sex scenes and lack of family viewing quality has never been an issue with me (although I find the hand jobs and sex scenes unnecessary).
|
My main reason for disliking this portion of the script was generally along the lines of 'Great Special Effects, Lousy Story'. Now, before I set off a firestorm, I'm not referring to these particular elements as 'Special Effects', I'm only using the line 'Great Special Effects, Lousy Story' to indicate that RDM apparently cannot effetively tell a good story, so he has to resort to 'shock and awe' to fill in for his deficiencies. It's truly a shame that he had to resort to this type of trash, he did some good work on ST:
He actually wrote a 'continuation' story (ST:TNG--Journey's End) which was the 3rd story featuring a guest character known as 'The Traveller'. This character was originally introduced in the 1st season with the episode: "Where No One Has Gone Before" and made another appearance in the episode: "Remember Me". The 3 episodes had different main storylines but were loosely linked by the interaction between The Traveller and Wesley Crusher. "Journey's End" was a well told story and neatly closed the storyline.
Amazing that RDM chose the easy way out! He proved, in the past, that he could work with a storyline begun by someone else.
BST
|
|
|
|
April 22nd, 2003, 10:48 AM
|
#47
|
Bad Email Address
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 908
|
The idea essentially of introducing the present warriors and then bringing the old farts like Starbuck and Apollo back into the tale is just plain common sense and good story-telling. The new characters sound more colorful than Space: Above and Beyond." Although if they had only had the time to develope that series. From the scraps we have been allowed to see thus far, it sounds and looks and feels like Battlestar Galactica.
|
|
|
|
April 22nd, 2003, 11:03 AM
|
#48
|
Warrior
 | Veteran | | Fleets Warrior |
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: PAX Amerikana
Posts: 396
|
Any word when the synopsys will be up scooter?
__________________
I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government....
~ Dr. Martin Luther King ~
I can hear God saying to America: “You are too arrogant! If you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power!"
~ Dr. Martin Luther King ~
|
|
|
|
April 22nd, 2003, 03:58 PM
|
#49
|
COMPLETELY BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 129
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Hito
Any word when the synopsys will be up scooter?
|
Hopefully Friday.
__________________
"If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
-Ronald D. Moore-
|
|
|
|
April 23rd, 2003, 04:28 PM
|
#50
|
Bad Email Address
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Vancouver, Wa USA
Posts: 1,874
|
I am hoping the new series will be so different that few will recognize any of the links to the old series.
Further I am beginning to believe it may be possible, once this has aired and gone away, a new project can be started to do a real continuation of TOS.
The reason for this: So far I've seen no announcement of Universal providing any funding for the new mini, if production is in fact underway it must be funded by SciFi only. This is a big gamble for Bonnie and company, if the new mini does not do well, the new owners will be down on her and her team like a Himalayan avalanche. There are many who view Battlestar as having the potential to be the next trek like franchise. A failed mini, so very unlike the original should not prevent new projects from being brought forward under a new management team.
Hope springs eternal.
|
|
|
|
April 23rd, 2003, 04:41 PM
|
#51
|
Watashiwa Shin no Noir
 | Veteran | | Fleets Warrior |  | Former Assistant | | Richard Hatch |
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Where my heart is.
Posts: 1,038
|
Right, it's not as if they will have screwed up the real thing, just their 'mis-representation' of it. This will only be used as proof that totally gutting an established story and changing everything doesn't work.
|
|
|
|
April 23rd, 2003, 04:43 PM
|
#52
|
Snowball, My Angel Baby
 | Admin | | Colonial Fleets |
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Somewhere across the heavens... aka Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 9,192
|
Quote:
Originally posted by repcisg
There are many who view Battlestar as having the potential to be the next trek like franchise.
Hope springs eternal.
|
Agreed. There is so much of the story that waits to be told, not just in terms of a Continuation, but also for the period preceding TOS timeline. So much potential. So rich a vein of gold. If this is so clear to us, how does it escape the vision of TPTB??
BST
|
|
|
|
April 27th, 2003, 11:54 AM
|
#53
|
Warrior Ace
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Roseville, MI
Posts: 848
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Hito
Any word when the synopsys will be up scooter?
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Scooter2000
Hopefully Friday.
|
Well it's Sunday afternoon, hope to see it sometime this week.
Jim:colwar:
|
|
|
|
April 30th, 2003, 05:30 PM
|
#54
|
Strike Leader
 | Administrator | | Battlestar Pacifica | | Battlestar Rycon |
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delray Beach, Florida
Posts: 2,949
|
Scooter
Wasn't Desanto going to get Ian McKellen(Magneto) from X-Men to play Adama?
|
|
|
|
May 1st, 2003, 09:36 AM
|
#55
|
Warrior
 | Veteran | | Fleets Warrior |
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: PAX Amerikana
Posts: 396
|
yes
__________________
I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government....
~ Dr. Martin Luther King ~
I can hear God saying to America: “You are too arrogant! If you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power!"
~ Dr. Martin Luther King ~
|
|
|
|
May 1st, 2003, 10:22 AM
|
#56
|
Strike Leader
 | Administrator | | Battlestar Pacifica | | Battlestar Rycon |
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Delray Beach, Florida
Posts: 2,949
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Hito
yes
|
Thank you.
|
|
|
|
May 1st, 2003, 02:56 PM
|
#57
|
COMPLETELY BANNED
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 129
|
Sir Ian was going to play the recasted Adama (ala Dick York to Dick Sargent) while Bryan Singer was still attached to the production.
Adama get's killed at the end of the pilot movie so it was highly unlikely that he had plans to be involved with the ongoing series.
I will take sir Ian over Almos on any givin day.
__________________
"If you agree with us, then this is the show for you. If not, then thanks for coming, but the popcorn is in a different aisle."
-Ronald D. Moore-
|
|
|
|
May 2nd, 2003, 09:40 PM
|
#58
|
Warrior Ace
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Roseville, MI
Posts: 848
|
Scooter
When can we look forward to part.2 of the review? I will print it out and be reading it the night Ronnie's show airs. What could have been, what should have been. Off to buy my tickets for X2. Hope Tom and Glen team up to show Ron what Galactica should look like.
Jim:colwar:
|
|
|
|
May 4th, 2003, 02:45 AM
|
#59
|
Shuttle Pilot
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 54
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Scooter2000
The difference is both Tom and Bryan Singer were fans of the original series and they took the extra time to work their new vision of Battlestar Galactica into the timeline of the original series. They wanted the original fans along for the ride as well as new fans.
Ron has openly admitted that he didn't like the original 3 hour pilot and had bad memories of the series when he watched it back in the late 70s. He refuses to revisit the entire series and he and David Eicke are so damn arrogant in believing that the real Galactica fans would give it a chance.
|
From LOS ANGELES(Zap2it.com) 15 April 2002
http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?25244
Quote:
"In the broadest strokes, I don't want to do 'Star Trek' and 'Star Wars' all over again. There's a certain style of filmmaking associated with those shows, which is a very romantic, glossy approach to science fiction, with big, lush, orchestral scores, etc."
"I've been wanting for a while to go in a different direction with film science fiction, and we're doing it with 'Galactica.' We're going to try to make it, for want of a better word, more real, a real place, down and dirty, with a sort of 'You are there' feel to it."
"It's going to be -- and this is a bad phrase -- a 'down to Earth' sort of place. It's going to be more about the people aboard the Galactica and the ragtag, fugitive fleet than it will be about aliens of the week, planets of the week or anything like that."
|
You're quite right, Tom and Brian are fans of BSG, whereas Ron isn't. Ron is only using Galactica as a vehicle to do the kind of story he wants. I'm sure he would have had this agenda regardless of what SF opportunity came up.
Unfortunately for many of us, it happens to be a show we care about.
|
|
|
|
May 4th, 2003, 03:06 AM
|
#60
|
Shuttle Pilot
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 54
|
Quote:
Originally posted by BST
My main reason for disliking this portion of the script was generally along the lines of 'Great Special Effects, Lousy Story'. Now, before I set off a firestorm, I'm not referring to these particular elements as 'Special Effects', I'm only using the line 'Great Special Effects, Lousy Story' to indicate that RDM apparently cannot effetively tell a good story, so he has to resort to 'shock and awe' to fill in for his deficiencies. It's truly a shame that he had to resort to this type of trash, he did some good work on ST:
He actually wrote a 'continuation' story (ST:TNG--Journey's End) which was the 3rd story featuring a guest character known as 'The Traveller'. This character was originally introduced in the 1st season with the episode: "Where No One Has Gone Before" and made another appearance in the episode: "Remember Me". The 3 episodes had different main storylines but were loosely linked by the interaction between The Traveller and Wesley Crusher. "Journey's End" was a well told story and neatly closed the storyline.
|
Well the killerB's were once able to write passable stories too.
Ron's Traveller stories were what, 15 years ago?
His last good work was in DS9, in an inspiring environment, surrounded by enthusiastic talent, and his dummy spit with Little Bee had him depart Voyager's shores pronto.
Now Ms Bonnie is letting him back from the wilderness to show his solo "stuff".
Perhaps he fancies himself as "ravager of worlds" now, or perhaps he is treading close to becoming a has-been? Could he have "lost the edge"?
I will always respect his work on DS9, but I won't hold that work up as a pair or rosey spectacles and say he can do no wrong...especially when he slices and dices something so close to the metaphorical heart.
If the DeSanto continuation went ahead in tandem then it wouldn't matter to me. Heck this production could almost even be a plus in that situation (much as B5 was motivator for DS9 to try harder to make a good show), but as things stand... 
|
|
|
|
 |
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
 |
 |
 |
 |
|
For fans of the Classic Battlestar Galactica series
|
|
 |