Are we kidding ourselves?

Commander Cain · December 6th, 2003, 09:30 AM

After reading Mr. Hatch's last interview and being the 91ST signee on the petition, I fear that we are kidding ourselves. I was very excited to find all of you here. But maybe there aren't so many of us. I mean 91?!
Saddam rallied more human shields than that! It would seem to me that the reason noone is listening to the fans is that 91 solidly places us in the category of handful of kooks.:confused: Please, someone say it ain't so. I need a morale boost. LOL

peter noble · December 6th, 2003, 09:39 AM

Commander Cain, there have been far too many Battlestar Galactica petitions, it's now something of a joke IMHO. I think we're into double figures as far as petitions go, they've just diluted the whole protest movement.

Be assured that there are thousands of people out there in the whole world who would love to see BSG return in a faithful TV or movie production. There are millions more who I'm 100 per cent sure would like the original show if they have never seen it before.

What you're seeing on the net is only the tip of the iceberg!

Regards,

Peter

Commander Cain · December 6th, 2003, 10:19 AM

Thanks. The petition info makes me feel better. I'm in too many kook clubs already.LOL. It must just be that I have impecable taste. Death to Sci-fi!!!

BST · December 6th, 2003, 10:37 AM

Commander Cain,

Don't lose hope! All is definitely not lost, with the effort to bring back the TRUE, the ORIGINAL Battlestar Galactica! We just need to get the POS mini out of the way!

We will continue the battle to bring back the show that we love AND we will need YOUR help as well. As long as we keep the faith and don't become disenchanted/disillusioned by current events, we still have a chance (and a damn good one, at that)!!

BST

Starbuck · December 6th, 2003, 10:46 AM

Commander Cain, I felt as you do a few days ago amongst all the "positive" reviews that the mini series has been getting. But now after reading a few of the not-so-positive reviews, I don't feel so depressed. If you haven't read Glen Oliver's entire review from ign.com, I posted a link to it in the Galactica 2003 forum:

"The new Battlestar Galactica embodies everything wrong with the creative process in filmmaking and television these days – and plainly illustrates the all-too-obvious hazards of remaking material simply for the sake of remaking it. Perhaps someday Galactica will live again...again, and someone will come along and reverse engineer the damage that Moore and company have brought to the equation. Maybe then we'll end up with a product that actually demonstrates a bit of thought and common sense – and find a show that remotely resembles the series being deliberately evoked through the use of the title itself..."

Commander Cain · December 6th, 2003, 03:25 PM

OK. I'm ready to rock. Let's get Monday overwith.

Muffit · December 6th, 2003, 03:38 PM

Commander, don't be down, there are BSG petitions with over 17,000 signatures!

You are not alone, "we are legion"! We just need someone to look around rather than straight ahead, and see how many of us there really are. It is my firm belief there are countless fans of the original who want to see it continue rather than be torn apart as it is now. They just need to step out of the shadows and be seen.

Eldriam · December 7th, 2003, 04:30 PM

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Commander Cain · December 7th, 2003, 05:16 PM

Wow Eldriam, I didn't mean to draw angry communists out of the woodwork. Sorry, I guess anti-capitalist is the new preferred title. Or environmentalist? Its getting hard to tell the difference these days. My comment really had nothing to do with politics as you should be able to tell by the other responses above. Noone else took it that way. Since you appear to be looking to scrap, I'm up for it.LOL.
As for Saddam, all the misguided fools who went over there as human shields did it for 1 of 3 reasons: to support Saddam, to fight us(the good guys, since it obviously needs to be said), or the naive notion that they would actually be protecting children. Have you not heard the horror stories from so many of the human shields that came running back home. They told them, where were you? Re-reading the greater works of Stalin? They were forced only to "protect" Saddam, his military, and known military targets. No toddlers were targeted.
There is evil in the world. Sometimes, unfortunately, good men and women have to rise up and destroy it. As horrible as war is, sometimes its the lesser of two evils. America has protected and will continue to protect the rest of the informed humankind from its own foolishness.

JLHurley · December 8th, 2003, 08:15 AM

I recently discovered that one of my employees is a BG fan--nowhere near the "fanatic" I am but enough so that he forked over $80 for the DVD collection. After he commented that he's really excited about the Sci Fi mini-series, I told him that I was disappointed that it wouldn't be continuing the original series' story. His jaw dropped--and nearly detached from his head when I started getting into details. I don't think he fully even believed me until he saw the BG "low down" program.

Anyway, here's a BG fan who doesn't post on BG internet sites or write letters or even know what's going on with the new BG save for Sci Fi Channel commercials and programs BUT he fully expected a continuation of the original run. Vocal ORIGINAL BG fans represent only a small fraction of actual fans, so don't let a number like "91" bother you too much. Very few fans of ANY program/movie actually get off their butts and do anything but enjoy (or NOT enjoy!) the actual "end result."

Charybdis · December 8th, 2003, 08:27 AM

We are the vocal minority among BSG "fans." We are the hardcore fans. BUT, there are millions of people who remember the show who don't make it a point to look at BSG sites on the internet or write protest letters or go to conventions hoping to get a Richard Hatch autograph.

These are the people that are being targeted by Skiffy. BUT, I believe that the vast majority are going to tune in fully expecting to see a much more faithful reproduction of the original. Are they going to be surprised by what they see!!!!

jeditemple · December 8th, 2003, 09:02 AM

I've been waiting 20 years for a revivial and I can wait a bit longer. The negative reviews are coming in and the word will spread quickly. Just look at what happened to "Matrix Revolutions" when the bad reviews hit.

This "Battlestar Travesty" will be forgotten and Ron Moore's name will be forever smeared because of it. They'll crank this garbage out on DVD in a few months and it will collect dust on store shelves. I'm sure we'll see a Director's Cut a few months after that. Then it will all be behind us, like "Dune" and "Taken."

We're being heard...believe me. The old series will linger. This Sci-Fi version will be forgotten.

Belloby · December 8th, 2003, 09:14 AM

No one is ever gonna accept 2003 as true BSG, just like no one accepted 1980. In my opinion, if Moore would've done this right, he would've been looked upon as the God of Sci-Fi producers. But he didn't, and he will live with the consequences.

We need to more forward. We need to focus our efforts off of the mini-series and onto the movie. Richard (and Glen) will need all the support they can get to make this happen.

As far as "where are the BSG fans"...they will come. Trust me.

thomas7g · December 8th, 2003, 03:14 PM

I think the mini is going to series. The advertising campaigns are too heavy. Its a sign they want alot more than just ratings for one night.

So we have to accept that. And live with that bitter pill. And in the end hope, that by reviving brand name populairity, it may lead to a movie of our friends.

Ravishol · December 8th, 2003, 03:41 PM

I actually don't post too much myself, but it is nice to hear from you once again!

Belloby · December 8th, 2003, 06:14 PM

Let 'em promote 2003. They're just throwing away good money and alienating a fan base that could bring them more. (How stupid can you get?!)

I'll concede Star Trek because Roddenberry is dead, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna give up Galactica as long as Richard and Glen are around.

Like the great Starbuck once said: "I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one don't intend on giving up without a fight."

WXM · December 9th, 2003, 05:36 AM

Various folks on this BBS: "I'm not watching the mini!"

"The mini." I don't see what everyone here is making such a fuss over. While not the greatest ever, he's a resonably well-enough done character, and why boycott only part of a movie? When he fights Austin Powers just after he arrives at the moon base, that's very well done and funny I thought. And the gag with the shadow where it looks like AP is giving birth... that was one of the best gags on the big screen in months! Saying you're not going to watch any part with the mini (-me), but having no problem watching the rest of AP:TSHSM or AP:G just seems silly to me. Either watch the whole of the films or no part of them at all. :jestor:

For those of you referring to the new BSG mini-series, I'm with you on avoiding it. I didn't watch it and unless my friends tell me "Will, it's GREEEEEAAAAAT!!!" then I shan't be watching it in the future via re-runs/recorded on VCR, etc. From what I've gathered so far, that means I ain't gonna be watching it. If they wanted to attract all sci-fi TV/film fans into watching their show (and their ads) they failed. And if I am apathetic enough about it not to watch/be pressured into watching it then it could well be that there are many others out there they also couldn't hook. Though I'm not a big BSG TOS fan, my interest was very piqued at earlier prospect(s): a continuation (with beefed-up fx, etc.) That would have had me asking for the night from work to watch it as it aired, with friends, if advanced word had been that it was even merely "good." Despite the tricklings of positive reviews this current thing is getting...well, I already said it. I didn't watch and have zero interest in watching it in the future.

In my opinion, they (TPTB) really blew it. They may very well be satisfied with what they get from this mini, and may declare it a success...but all of you here will always know that they could have done much better. In my opinion, TPTB on this mini are egostical failures; they were thinking a bit too much like Dr. Evil I think: Why make billions when you can make...millions? Yeah, great job, geniuses.

JLHurley · December 9th, 2003, 06:14 AM

I'm anxious to see the ratings--not just for the premiere but most especially for the second part.

Part one's ratings will most likely be rather high considering the recent hype, but I suspect it's the ratings on part two that Sci Fi will really be looking at. If the ratings drop considerably, additional mini-series or an ongoing series won't see the light of day.

Of course, if subsequent showings prove strong enough in ratings, they may green light more eps regardless...

shiningstar · December 10th, 2003, 07:40 PM

I missed the Mini and I thanked God I did.
I watched the ORIGINAL BSG because it was FIT
for all people (especially children) to watch.

And as for the Subsequent ratings ..........They'll
green light that trash for a NEW ep ............just
to slap the FANS in the face again. THe real
battle will be if anyone bothers to watch it or not
I know I WON'T.