Small request.... I think we all know....

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 12:52 PM

...the prevailing opinion of one Mr. RDM. Can we go back to posting about the things we like without every other sentence being about that? This is just a request- some people here actually like his older work, but whether you do or not, I am humbly requesting that we give a bit less post time to the negative remarks. I read a few posts this morning, and I know they had subjects, but the part I remember is the negative comparisons about RDM. (Or Milton, or whoever...) I just don't like seeing someone get so much attention through negative behavior, lol.

Anyway, that's only a personal request. I'm enjoying the recent posts, I would just enjoy them more without the obligatory pot-shot.

Thank you very much!

Stevew · April 6th, 2003, 12:59 PM

When someone attacks Michael or anybody else with an untruth, I am compelled to defend them.
S

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 01:07 PM

We have the SFC Board which is primarily a Madhouse, with Trolls and Clones o'plenty.

We have Milty's Board which is Pro-Moore, and fairly Anti TOS.

We have Cylon Alliance which is Venting Port, for BOTH.

Are we to assume by your Request that CF is totally Neutral or Moore Complimentary only?

Just curious...

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 01:21 PM

"When someone attacks Michael or anybody else with an untruth, I am compelled to defend them."

That's cool. I'm just referring to "Hey, this is great, not that so and so would ever understand" sort of thing.

"Are we to assume by your Request that CF is totally Neutral or Moore Complimentary only?"

No, this is me speaking as me, strictly so. I just believe that some types will do anythign for attention, even if it's megative. Everyone here can post how they like, within forum rules.

No, it's just a personal opinion. I love this place because it's a place for TOS fans to hang out without worrying about being ganged up on. I would personally like to just focus more on the actual original series, and not so much on "look what those so and so's are doing now". News is cool, but I get tired of seeing them pop up in every post.

What do you think?

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 01:34 PM

...Right now, we're in a Battle for Galactica. Like it or not, the times for simple discussion and neutrality has passed.

For too long, people kept saying "Wait and See, Ron Moore is a Professional, and his other work was so good, let's play nice and maybe he'll give us the Galactica we've hoped for".

Well? What did that get us?

We were told in Moore's Q&A that he was going to Honor the TOS. Did he?

Then we got hold of the Script, and then we were ram-rodded by Moore Zealots.

All I'm saying Micheleh is that once the Offical Word from Universal comes out, whichever way things go, then will be the time to celebrate the TOS, or to Mourn it's passing. Til then, squelching the opinions of the Fans of Galactica, the Real Galactica, not this Mooreised Nonsense being passed off as Galactica, is akin to sitting on our hands, and allowing those that stand against what we're fighting for to roll happily over us, with hardly a whisper.

We TRIED to play nice, and Moore LIED bold face to us. We waited, after the admonishment of those willing to give Moore a chance, and we were greeted by a hard Slap in the Face, and over-run by Moore Fans telling us that they knew better what Galactica needed, because they had read the "Script".

I'm not trying to argue with you Micheleh, this is your board, and if you want neutrality within the postings, that's fine, and I'll abide by those rules. But while we're idlely discussing the TOS, the "other side" is pushing to steam roll over the TOS, and painting over it, entirely.

Stevew · April 6th, 2003, 01:40 PM

Agreed LSF. I have always tried to be civil but will only go so far.
BTW I thought this was Darrell's board?
S

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 01:43 PM

No, I agree, and I'm glad we can discuss it. This is something that has caused arguments here, and I'd like to understand why- that's why I ask people's opinions.

No, it's not a rule at all, just me being curious. I don't want to make decisions without knowing how people feel about things. It's not my board by any means- Warrior was just nice enough to let me try to help out.

It's good to be able to vent. I just realise that there are some here who still hope that RM will do the right thing, and who may feel it isn't entirely safe for them to say so, with feelings running so high. I appreciate your honesty.

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 01:57 PM

I've seen this Battle going on for 25 years, and I've never been more convinced that now is NOT the time to sit back and play nice.

Ron Moore WILL NOT DO THE RIGHT THING. He is very clear on his intentions, and those are to re-create Galactica in his own image. He is quoted, by more than one person, as saying that he feels this is his ticket to being "the next Gene Roddenbery or George Lucas".

One only needs to look at the Script he wrote to see the utter contempt he has, not only for the TOS, but for the Fans of the TOS.

Sure, we'll see Vipers from the original, one, revived from a Junk heap. Sure, we'll see Cylons from the Original, as background set dressing. Costumes, we found out, were the first thing Moore ordered completely changed. The sets, well, the Bridge looks like the submarine bridge from Hunt for Red October. We all know the other stuff, Female Starbuck, Adama and Ilya Divorced, Drunkard Tigh, Slut Mrs. Tigh, Glowing Spines, and Handjobs.

Does ANY of that sound like "The right thing" to you?

Does Moore show ANY signs that he is changing ANY of that?

I agree, there is a time and a place for Fans of the TOS to just talk about the TOS, and where we'd like to see the Adventures continue, but if we don't stand up, with a collective NO to Ron Moore, and ANYONE who supports his efforts, everything we knew and loved about the TOS is going to be washed away in favor of "Melrose Place in Space" (That quote comes from David Eick HIMSELF)

Yes, there are those here that want Moore to Win. That's fine, let them come up with some better arguments than "You just want 70's TV and Disco Hair" or "You just want to get Richard Hatch a Job". (I'd bring up the other, much more amusing one I got here, but I'll leave it to your memory)

I dare say, I haven't fought this battle for 25 years to watch it be completely destroyed just so some self agrandised Star Trek groupies can have Galactica reformed into Star Trek with a Battlestar Galactica label slapped on it.

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 02:02 PM

I understand your feelings. I just think that this board stands out (and is attacked so often) because the members here- all of them- have a tendency to show a far higher level of maturity than the average. I just don't want us to lose sight of that fact, whatever the provocation.

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 02:08 PM

...Because of that Level of Maturity that CF is know for that this MUST be where the Fans of the TOS make their stand!

Clone/Troll Central is fine for broadcasting wideband messages against this Abomination, but CF should be the lightning rod for getting the message out, without having to worry about a mass fleet of Clones and Trolls to wade through.

If there are those in favor of Moore here that find that notion offensive, then so be it. There is a Pro-Moore board that they can feel comfortable with.

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 02:12 PM

I suppose, I just wish it din't have to be quite so black and white. Us or them, support us opr get out- there has to be some room for grey area.

*chuckle* That's what I get for trying to figure out motivations. I'll take off the personal hat and get back to work. Thank you for being so candid- I appreciate it.

Stevew · April 6th, 2003, 02:18 PM

With some there is no grey area and should be delt with accordingly
S

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 02:22 PM

...As well, but seriously, what other avenue is left.

When we talked Compromise with the Moore Fans, and Moore, we were told "OK, we'll change 5-10% if you'll take 90% of what we want".

Many of us were more than willing to consider going Prequel, as a HUGE Compromise. That way Moore and his followers could have an entire timeline within the Galactica Universe, and still leave the TOS timeline intact.

What was their response? Side Story Concepts, that once again left Moore's Production 95% intact, and the TOS almost completely overwritten.

While many of them were talking Compromise, they were busy, behind the scenes, sending letters, faxs, phone calls screaming for the re-imagining. Even their Leader had his Boss write a letter in favor of re-imagining (a Certain US Senator).

We didn't start this battle, they did. We were fighting to Revive Galactica, the TOS Galactica, the one where Starbuck was a Man, where values and morals existed, and where Heroes didn't have to be classic psychotics to be heroes.

No, Micheleh, we didn't start this battle, but if we don't fight back, we will lose this battle, and we will lose Galactica.

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 03:23 PM

All right. I'm asking these things, you understand, to avoid the chance of operating without all the information I can get.

How about this- we agree that everyone can state what their opinions and preferences are here, and discuss them, as long as they respect the rights of others to their own opinions and preferences, don't try to 'prove each other wrong', and carry on whatever debates may arise by concentrating on the facts, not personal slams? This is just an idea of mine, but I'd like to know what people think.

I admit there are definite side to this, I just don't want to lose sight of the fact that there are good people here of differing opinion, and some shouldn't have to feel that because of the current climate, brought about by the malice of non members who get much attention here, that they have to be non-contributing for fear of being lumped in with those malicious troublemakers.

(Note to self- ask again about spel chekker for posts.)

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 04:28 PM

Micheleh.

As I said, this is your board, and I'll abide by your rules.

:X

Micheleh · April 6th, 2003, 04:42 PM

It's not my board! Good gods, don't give Darrell any ideas, or he'll send me the bills! Lol! I can't even afford an opinion right now....

No, post what you want. I'd *personally* just like poeple to be aware that it isn't about sides, it's about members, and when we all meet at the con, I want it to be good for everyone.

jewels · April 6th, 2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LordStarFyre
...As well, but seriously, what other avenue is left.

While many of them were talking Compromise, they were busy, behind the scenes, sending letters, faxs, phone calls screaming for the re-imagining. Even their Leader had his Boss write a letter in favor of re-imagining (a Certain US Senator).

We didn't start this battle, they did. We were fighting to Revive Galactica, the TOS Galactica, the one where Starbuck was a Man, where values and morals existed, and where Heroes didn't have to be classic psychotics to be heroes.

No, Micheleh, we didn't start this battle, but if we don't fight back, we will lose this battle, and we will lose Galactica.

So LSF:
How do we begin again? I've been feeling way too quiet since last Sunday, yet I sense that the battle is close to concluding (though it's gone through more twists, turns and tunnels in the last 2-3 months than I care to count). How do we keep everyone psyched to keep voicing that they are still standing (and waiting). How do we fight back?

jewels

LordStarFyre · April 6th, 2003, 07:32 PM

I wish I could say, but I wouldn't want to make anyone uncomfortable...

KJ · April 6th, 2003, 08:18 PM

Quote:

When someone attacks Michael or anybody else with an untruth, I am compelled to defend them.

So would i, damn pity i'm the opposite SteveW. When i get attack by untruths i have to do my own fighting, not that i don't mind fighting my own battles. But the self doubt people choose to have about me, is mind blowing?

SteveW has hit the nail on the head again

Quote:

I have always tried to be civil but will only go so far.

This alone sums up the issues i got with the other place and posters over there.

But enough of me, there is alot of banning, childish vendettas, and nonsense afoot and i myself had something to address to you all. Don't worry i'm gonna give it to some of you via PM soon, after that i don't know, only after Saturday i see things differently now.

Cos mine was confirmed by a source with a clear POV on things. As others will soon come forward with themselves.

As a Galactica fan, this will be one of the last things i do to share with fellow fans.

We all have things to do in are lives seperate of this love of Battlestar Galactica. And some of us have recently been enlighten to getting real facts and supportting BG by rallying effort, while tending to matters in your own life and not getting caught up with too much trivial nonsense.

Keep putting the word out there warriors, but turn away from the battles with the doubters, words of wisdom say GET THE REAL FACTS AND DISCUSS WHAT YOU KNOW, TALK TO UNIVERSAL FIND OUT WHATS GOING ON, IGNORE THE SPECULATION, CONTINUE STRONG LINES OF COMMUNICATION WITH OTHERS AND WORK TOWARDS SOMETHING. ( just something i heard recently, but i guess doubters already ask themselves questions or doubt me again, o.k. never mind, not my loss though is it? )

KJ

April 6th, 2003, 09:35 PM

Can I hear what you have to say via PM?

Dawg · April 6th, 2003, 09:39 PM

I'd like to hear.

I am
Dawg

thomas7g · April 7th, 2003, 12:25 PM

I'm saddened by seeing "defending" which ends up into personal attacks against other members.

Though I think it is a very good thing to reassure people who have been attacked, but I don't counterattacking rude members really helps. It makes it much harder for a moderater to isolate and deal with one bad member.

I would really advise that instead of defending we need to wait till the mods can deal with the problem. That would work best.

jewels · April 7th, 2003, 03:22 PM

thomas: in one of the situations, the mod was part of the problem.
Jewels

April 7th, 2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Micheleh
[B I love this place because it's a place for TOS fans to hang out without worrying about being ganged up on. I would personally like to just focus more on the actual original series, and not so much on "look what those so and so's are doing now". News is cool, but I get tired of seeing them pop up in every post.

What do you think? [/B]

Then maybe you should hang out in the Galactica Cafe. They seem to be clueless to what's going on in the revival.

They still engage in discussions about the original series.

I am not slamming them and I do like them.

It is time to face reality Micheleh. The Original Galactica fandom is at war. We were unjustly attacked and now it is time for us to go on the offence.

If you do not want to lift a finger to help your fellow fans then that is your problem, but stop telling the active fans to just sit and do abslotly nothing!

If you can’t play with the big boys than maybe you should moderate a different section from with in this forum.

Thank you!

Micheleh · April 7th, 2003, 05:48 PM

I know what's going on quite well, but my job here is to be a moderator, not a warmonger. If someone can communicate theri view without being insulting or resorting to personal attacks, it doesn't matter what it is. They may run into heavy debate, but as long as it doesn't turn into a personal thing, debate away.

JediMasterGynac · April 7th, 2003, 06:03 PM

no one has a problem with being civil. Please don't ask us to not fight for what we believe in in the same breath though. It's a hard pill to swallow.

Micheleh · April 7th, 2003, 06:08 PM

I'm not asking anyone to not fight for what they believe in. I just think it's possible to do so without calling someone a no-life jerk, get your a** out of our forum, and similar. Or for someone to come in here out of nowhere and tell everyone they are hopeless losers fighting a doomed battle- neither one is cool.

It's about being able to debate without attacking- a problem that comes up at every forum where there's a hot topic.

JediMasterGynac · April 7th, 2003, 06:40 PM

that's how I feel too.

Micheleh · April 7th, 2003, 06:48 PM

Yaay! I'm happy now. I've been knocking myself out lately, and my eloquence isn't so great.. thanks. I agree with you on this one.

April 7th, 2003, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Micheleh
I know what's going on quite well, but my job here is to be a moderator, not a warmonger.

Oh so now you are calling us warmongers. Micheleh you have not been around long enough to make that call.

Well you are not flat out calling us warmongers but you are insinuating that people such as myself and Lordstarfyre are.