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Old December 3rd, 2003, 09:31 AM   #1
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Default If We REALLY Want To Hurt This Mini....

Here's an idea. Get the christian community involved. Let them know that sci fi is doing a CIC on this. Also let them know about the gratiuitous sex almost every 15 mins in the mini, ie, the crotch massage, etc. Tell them about the death scenes of babies and children. Give them a background of the original on how it was based mostly on biblical themes, such as Moses leading the children of Israel to the promised land. To really let them have it let them know about how the fans had fought for the return of the show with its high moral standards, and we were laughed at by people like Ron Moore who thought such moral concepts were outdated and that he would let his children watch sex on television, even include the quote from his interview.

It has been a proven fact that ANYTHING the christian community boycotts, gets HUGE press coverage. I believe with the mini's blatent disregard for any moral standards this would definatly rate. Esspecially once they find out that it is going to be promoted in the classroom.

We need to organize these thoughts into a letters, and mail them to churches all over our communities. It may not give us our continuation, but it will give Moore and his camp something to think about next time they try this.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 10:52 AM   #2
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The best way to hurt the mini and scifi is to turn battlestargalactica.com into a big "tell all" about all scifi channel has done and about Bonnie's crap. Farsacpe. John Edwards. Stargate the ORIGINAL Scifi series? And her attempts to spin Olmos. That way when people cruise the net for info about the mini, they will see the REAL lowdown.

The effectiveness of this is if you can slam them but appear to be fair and impartial.

Though the decision to do so is up to Darrell and the sites owner.

That's just my opinion.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 12:23 PM   #3
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Trevor,
Problem with getting the Christian community up in arms is controversy itself creates viewership. Though I do wish there was a way to warn other believers that this is not the family show we grew up with: the first 15 min. prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 12:34 PM   #4
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I hate to say it, but don't create what you can't control. If the Christian right was unleashed against Galactica then you run the risk of hurting Larson's future plans for a Galactica film. Meaning, once the Battlestar Galactica name has been branded as "evil" how do you turn that off in regard to the production that we truly want to see? You run the risk of any quality Battlestar project being confused with the SCI FI mini.

Tom is right in that educating the viewer is important. Darrell's site seems like the logical place for that information to be made available.

Another way to hurt the mini is to ignore it. Don't watch it. Don't talk about. Just let it fade away while we work towards a continuation through positive and productive avenues (letters, petitions, forums, and web sites).

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Old December 3rd, 2003, 01:37 PM   #5
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Well... I know Don is pretty busy doing meshes for Zoic, not to mention being the owner of two stores. So that keeps him busy.

I'm doing about a hundred miniature drawings for a graphic user interface. And at the same time spending alot of time building up CF. (with the help of JJ, Jewels, and BST).

But also, one of the big problems was there was no real subsequent meetings really. No planning sessions or get togethers. And without them, people tend to do their own thing.

The only time we had a group meeting I know of, is when Don and I met with Darrell. We thought we were going to move CF to be a forum under and a part of BG.com. The next thing we know, bg.com "looked" like it was going to have forums that were just like ours that would have competed heavily with CF's unique qualities, And CF wasn't wanted anymore. So me and Don couldn't support a forum that worked directly in competition with ours. Plus it was a BIG huge blowup.

So CF its staff has been working on internal CF improvements.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 02:33 PM   #6
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The reason I suggested this is that we have had no large media statement in our favor. Richard has been the only one able to at least partially argue our case, but no major public anouncement on the news such as " Fans of long beloved series Battlestar Galactica are deeply grieved at mishandling of the Mini series, by Sci Fi and producer Ron Moore."

Yes I agree with most of your statements, especially yours Jewels, but I think if we talked with Christian comunity and let them know what our efforts are and that we are trying to return the high moral standards and mke this a family program again, I think we will not only gain their support in getting this mini squashed before it becomes a series, but also theirr support in having a program or movie that the whole family can enjoy.


Yes this can have bad reprecusions ,but our plight is unknown to the general public, and we as individuals only have our websites and such. The Christians are loud and angry. I just want our plight to be noticed, not ignored as it is right now. Most of the people I talk to look at me like a crazed fan obsessed with a TV show. Thats all they see because Hammer and Moore have potrayed us in their specials.

Oh well it was just a thought.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 04:19 PM   #7
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Not a bad thought at all, IMO. If one had the time to take precautions to protect TOS and continuation projects from any bad press, it could work. The problem is that it is now so late in the game. With only a few days left to go, I think we'll just have to wait for the smoke to clear and see what remains of Galactica after the mini.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 05:24 PM   #8
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You, of course are right. I'm just a little frustrated at my personal efforts with talking with people who saw the Lowdown and feel through Sci Fis point of view that BSG was cheesy and said it needed a remake. When I told them of our efforts I was told that we needed to get a life and it was just a TV program.

While I agree that a TV program isnt anything to get upset over, it just isn't that. Its the way our views are being treated, and constantly being told that our oppinion does not matter. And on top of everything else they are making the "purists" come off as a bunch of kooks. Its not only because that sci fi has a large media foothold from which to attack our point of view from, its that we don't have as strong of a position in the media to defend ourselves. The major spokes person has been Richard and he had no media backing despite our efforts.

I guess what I'm trying to say I had a thought on how could get our view in the media. Alas it s too late and you are correct that we should band together and move on. Its theonly way we will get our continuation.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 05:51 PM   #9
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Actually, that is a pretty good idea Trevor. But sadly, as others have mentioned, we're down to just a few days. It would take someone with connections to the internet Christian community to get the ball rolling. Still, your suggestion is far more respectable than most of the things the mini creators have been doing to discredit us. If only there were more time...

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A while back, when I was asked to do the BSG.com site, I asked a few of my friends if they'd like to be on the "team" that helped me put it together.

At that time, they all agreed to help.

But since then, only one person has helped, and that was when she had available time, which was extremely limited. And her "help" was just to get info.

So... Putting something like that up in... what now.. a few days time, with my real life job taking up the weird hours of my life, you just *now* like to see that? :p Sheesh... Make that a triple :p :p :p !

BTW, what happened to back then in the beginning? This isn't an attack or a slam, but I'd really like to know what happened to that "team". This we can take to private though... e-mail or ICQ
What happened? I know I did one heck of a lot of the Galacticon website updates, a lot more info gathering, writing up and spreading for that than I'd originally been asked to do... that occupied my spare time. And I also know I never heard from you again after the one weekend I wasn't available when you had the interface ready to teach. I figured you would let me know when you needed help or had time to do that. I've joined other teams since, as it appeared I was not needed there.
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Its the way our views are being treated, and constantly being told that our oppinion does not matter.
Ya know, it's not just Galactica facing these types of problems either. Take Star Wars for example. George Lucas has said he will never release the original cuts of the trilogy to DVD or any other format and that he considers them nothing more than workprints. Now, fans of the original versions are fighting a battle to get them released. And even though Lucas has heard their pleadings, he is turning a deaf ear. God forbid anyone like the old editions better, huh? (Visit www.originaltrilogy.com to sign the ongoing petition.)

Unfortunately, sometimes the people in power are going to do what they want to do, no matter how everyone else feels about it. They regard these programs as theirs alone, not the intellectual property of the people and fans who support them. Occasionally, someone will listen and try to do the right thing. But that's becoming a rarety in our society where movies, TV shows, and ideas (good or bad) are available in bulk.

The science fiction universe is a big place and truly wonderful shows, even those short-lived, have a way of surviving--Space: 1999, Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, UFO, etc. If this mini-series should mark the end of any revival efforts, it doesn't mean the end of Battlestar Galactica. The show was only on the air for one true season, yet it has lasted for 25 years thanks to the unified heart of its fans. Someday in the future, a child is going to turn on the TV, see a rerun of the show, and fall in love like we did. No matter what happens with Universal and the Sci-Fi Channel, it's up to us to ensure that person has a fanbase to go to.
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Old December 3rd, 2003, 10:12 PM   #12
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That was very well put and by the way, I signed that petition because I believe in the wishes of a fan base . The fans are the reason why Lucas is there in the first place but I guess he forgot that.

We have a petition too if you would like to sign.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_pe...d.cgi?bsg2001a

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Trevor: see if this is a start
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Thank you for your support and your words of encouragement, Jewels. At this trying time for fans we need all we can get.
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My question is, do we really want the mini to do very badly. Personally I think I would like it to be just moderately successful so it can lead to more instead of being buried.
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Darrell,

If I send you a copy of the mini-FAQ to post (to educate people about the recent efforts), will you post it to BG.com, linked from the front page news section?

I still don't have an answer (yet) on the items which are holding up BP.com's relaunch. I think I'm going to have to go live with the mini-FAQ at minimum, though.

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My question is, do we really want the mini to do very badly. Personally I think I would like it to be just moderately successful so it can lead to more instead of being buried.
Larson implied we wanted it to do OK.

DeSanto said it didn't matter, what matters is continued interest in the TOS.

Ojai has a letter writing notice up for a Jan. 2 mailing that she & Commander Taggart are leading. The NBC address is for letting your feelings be known about the mini. Larson & DeSanto's are just to encourage them that we are still interested in whatever either or both of them may develop (and if you want original cast, say so), but we want our story to continue (again, your personal take on that.) We want to give them concrete evidence of our interest and our consumer support for a project in the original Galactica universe.

Do what ever you want next week as far as watching. I personally have no interest in the story (I basically think its vile in comparison to TOS) and will try to tape a later broadcast only to fast forward to the effects shots.

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