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The Kobe Bryant Trial fiasco
This is an amazing bad screw up.
For those who don't know, Kobe Bryant, one of the best basketball stars out there is on trial for rape in Colorado. Basically she is a girl known to get around, she was sexually teasing, Kobe went too far, but stopped himself in the act. Well.... today had a rather insane mistake. A court employee accidentally sent a bunch of files to the wrong email address. These documents were kept secret by the "rape shield" law. And the defense was DYING to see them. This included her statements as to her sexual history, what her view of the evcents were, her suicide attempts, etc. And all of this was accidentally sent to the email addresses of 7 news outlets. And legally there is nothing to stop them from printing them. Its already starting to spread to other news outlets.... |
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That's what I thought. But... I'm beginning to think this small town's justice system is not up to the scrutiny of a world camera. This isn't the first leak. And then there were those 100+ antiKobe t-shirts the sherrif's department ordered for itself.
I don't think this prosecution is up to the job |
I am not at all convinced he is innocent.
Even so, there was a comedian remarking about the megabuck ring he bought his wife. She said that if her hubby did that to apologize for cheating, she would be setting up dates for him. |
The problem is trying this on TV.
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I just wish they would hurry up and finish this. They seem to be dragging this out.
I think the "victim" was a victim of her own sluttiness. She snuck up in the middle of the night into a superstar's room when he was all alone. Then she teased him and flirted and lifted up her dress and showed off her panties. Kobe got agressive. She said no at first then got scared, froze, and shut up. Kobe being the rocket scientist in the room mistook her silence as a positive sign and started to have sex with her limp body. When the light finally dawned he stopped midway. After that everything got blown up into a media event. :no: I really wish someone would allow this to be plea bargained down so it would end. But then Colorado law is really screwed up regarding this. And they can't offer a lesser charge. Kobe needs to be punished but the charges they are seeking have ridiculously high penalties for this case. :thumbdown |
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You hit the nail on the head! The problem with any trial these days, is trying it on TV. The media being what it is today, is all over every detail, every hour, every day to the point where I feel that it is almost impossible to get an uninformed and impartial jury. A local case here in California, such as the Laci Pederson murder case got to the point where you didn't even want to turn on the radio or TV! The particulars of the case were sensationalized to the point where it became a nationwide news item. Another thing that shocked me was that a TV movie about the murder was shown on TV before the actual trial started.... There was a question posed as to why this case got so much attention, while other pending murder cases were barely mentioned, except on page 5 or 15 in the paper, or a brief blurb on the evening news. Court cases, even major ones, used to be tried in a courtroom, not in our living rooms, or on the evening news. It doesn't amaze me that "accidents" where info is leaked to the media occurs. The media is so hungry for details, I'm quite sure that money exchanged hands before the info was "leaked". It's to the point where you just can't respect the news media anymore - they're all "information whores" in my book... Best, Bryan ________ UPSKIRT VIDEOS |
I think 24hour cable has turned this into a rush for ratings. Its too prone for sensationalism now. TV made news filtered by what is entertaining. Cable hunger for 24 hours of news has turned relatively minor events into shocking must-see spectacles.
A 24-7 news channel is great when their is something important happening. But when the news cycle is stagnant, it makes its own news events to keep you watching. :P: |
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I agree.
The shield laws were enacted for a good reason, and have been circumvented in this case. I doesn't matter if the accuser was a protitute, the claim should be evaluated on merit. |
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something to do with this. I don't care if the girl 'got around' or not. The ? is .........whether or not she was raped by Kobe bryant. NO one had any right to harrass this girl and follow her as she was fired from JOB, to JOB, to JOB as she was continuelly harrassed and her life threatened by 'unnamed' sources. As for BRYANT ..........if he isn't having any thing to do with her being harrassed then let him has his day in court. If the prosecution is as muddled as you think it is ..........he'll get off. And if the prosecution isn't muddled and Kobe Bryant is innocent as he is by USA law Constitution etc ............ then he'll get off too. |
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I agree... no means NO. Kobe's celebrity status should have nothing to do with this. Even a woman who was a prostitute serving a john deserves not to be raped or harmed afterwards. Problem is from the stuff that's leaked out, she was saying "no" while she was lifting up her dress. They were kissing and touching. Then when the sex started, she didn't say no. i don't know if that is true or not. But there are so many things in this case that seem iffy.
My whole problem with this case is that it is horribly incompetently being handled. The District Attourney gave early signs that it didn't want to charge Bryant. The Sherrifs Department were the ones that went full charge on it. The same ones that bought a hundred plus anti-Kobe shirts in lynch mob fashion. Which seems highly improper for a department charged with gathering impartially evidence in the case. Then the judge himself admonished the prosecution for lacking evidence to support their claims. There are even reports that they found caucasian dna in semen found in her panties. And she had sex before and after the rape. There is no working rape shield in this case. Everything about this girl is now known to the world. Her name, her address, her email, phone number, her sexual habits, her suicide depression history, her prior unstableness. Lots of pictures. EVERYTHING. I'm sure everyone in Eagle Rock Colorado has seen everything. Her testimonies have been repeatedly leaked by the court itself. That's not to say Kobe shouldn't be punished. He SHOULD. But I had hoped that other charges could have been used. Alot of experts have commented it seems odd that the DA isn't offering a plea bargain. I forget the exact terms, but they involved force being used baring exits and unwanted forced sexual contact. This would have ensured jail time. But probably more befitting the crime. A plea bargain to a lesser charge months ago would have spared everyone this fiasco.. :( |
Well, it was either consensual, or not.
If not, the charges tendered seem appropriate to me. |
There are many times in my life where I have conveyed the meaning of the word no without ever having to say it, a man paying attention to the woman he’s with does not need to actually hear the words a man who isn’t paying attention does. If a woman is not feeling heard, or her limits respected gets to the point where she actually has to say the word no then I would say there is a problem especially if he continues after that. He needs to switch gears instantly, maybe let her take the lead, and slow down big time. There are also many times in my life where I started with conveying no but have changed my mind, but it was how I felt about him, the signals he was giving that caused me to change my mind, sometimes conveying no is a way of saying your moving to fast for me. If a man moves faster than the woman is ready for and is pushing against her boundaries he’s going to get turned down, pushed away or told no. It’s a wake up call to the woman if it gets to the point where she is saying no, women really should take that more seriously and be prepared to take physical action (like getting out of there, or pushing him away or more if necessary) if their no’s are not respected instead of thinking they are going to be heard eventually, if the man hasn’t paid attention so far and shown respect it’s unlikely this is going to end well.
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They will deliberately destroy this woman, that's the way to get him off. No wonder most women keep quiet about it when they're raped. OJ Simpson was set free through the destruction of a police officer's career. The cop ended up in Utah, or Idaho, no longer a policeman. Destroy the person who can convict you is the defense of a guilty person. Her sexual history is her own business. It didn't matter to Kobe during the act, but it matters now. He isn't a helpless pawn, at the mercy of a slut. He's a grown man who should know how to say - I'm sorry, but I'm married and I'm faithful to the woman I love - IF he ever needs to say it. And if he's the agressor, and it's my belief he was - then why is he considering such an act in the first place? At the very least he has no morality and no character. ojai22 |
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{This reply was accidentally killed by a really stupid admin who clicked "edit" instead of "quote". see below....-Tom} |
I have some rather strong opinions about the criminal justice system that would fill a book.
Let's just say that the judges and prosecutors in this country would drop dead like flies from heart failure if they were put under the same scrutiny an aircraft manufacturer is placed under when one of their aircraft crashes. Place this under personal experience and direct observation. |
OH CRAP!!!! shining star!!!!
I'm a complete idiot!!! I killed your last reply.... instead of hitting the QUOTE button. I hit EDIT by mistake..... DAMN DAMN DAMN.....I am SOOOooo Sorry . Jeez can I be stupid at times. This reply from SS is actually me... Quote:
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Gawd... with great power comes great stupidity....
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btw, everyone... SS had a great reply....:/:
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And unlike Kobe bryant ...........and OJ Simpson ........I will never have my day in court to clear my name. I was falsely accused of child abuse. All the evidence 'PROVED' my innocence ............including ...........eyewitness accounts of how good a mother I am to my kids ........Unfortunately for me even though my 'case was dropped' I remained in the system for YEARS as a POSSIBLE child abuser. That's New Mexico law. In the meantime I am NOT allowed to face my accuser. A mean heartless lieing deceptive person who has stalked me from the time that she WRONGLY referred me to CWS as a UNFIT mother with MENTAL issues. ...............SHe got away scot free with destroying my name and reputation. Even now the woman who falsely accused me of abusing my child is still calling my home and screaming at me at the top of her lungs. According to the "Proper Authorities" ..............there is not ONE thing I can do about IT. She has all the right and I have NO rights ......even though I have never broken the law ..............I even begged for a trial so I could legally face my accuser and end this FARCE once and for all. THAT WAS DENIED ME. In the meantime she has gone on since 1998 spreading Obscene lies and rumours about my mental issues and my being a fit mother. So forgive me if I have no sympathy for KOBE BRYANT who has gotten HIS 'facts' out there while wrongly harrassing the alleged rape victim. Yes people are innocent until proven guilty. But that doesn't give people the right to stalk their accusers. THat doesn't give them the right to circumvent the law for their own purposes and to make their accusers a prisoner in their own homes. And that is what happened to the young women who claimed to be raped by Kobe bryant. And as to the 'WITNESSES' who said what they said. I truely wonder how much they will 'say' when they are on the witness stand under penalty of PURJERY. As I said in my previous post. What is said before the trial is meaningless. The only thing that matters is the trial and getting this case resolved one way or the other. As someone who has been a victim of libel and slander; as someone who has had her reputation destroyed by hateful and spiteful people I can only have sympathy for anyone who has been victimized by the very laws that were supposedly there to PROTECT and to SERVE them. |
SS - have you considered civil action against her? Libel and slander, filing a false report, all this is against the law and you have remedies available.
You'd have to prove she knew the information was false when she filed that report, and it would help if you could show malice was intended. You might also consider asking for a restraining order if she's continuing to harass you. Find a good civil - not criminal - lawyer who can guide you. This kind of thing ticks me off..... I am Dawg :warrior: |
Ticks me off, too.
SS, go to Radio Shack and get a small recorder for your phone. Hook it up and leave it there. Turn it on before you answer the phone, if it isn't her just reset it afterwards. I had to do this once because of a lying witch, my younger son's ex-girlfriend. She called my son and daughter, also with her ravings. We all taped them. When she filed something against me in court [actually it was against my son legally, but I was the one she was attacking] we all showed up with our tape recorders. The judge listened to them first and we were sent to talk to another person there at the courthouse. That person said the lying witch needed to be evaluated. She was and it turned out she had damaged her brain with drug overuse. She can't come within 300 feet of me now. Tape as many conversations as you can, then go see an attorney. ojai22 |
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the grounds that the 'little dear' was merely 'DOING HER JOB'. And they refused to consider the fact that MALICE in her was PROVEN beyond any shadow of a doubt. NO lawyer would take the case as there was "NO money to be made in a case like this". This was inspite of the fact that I was willing to pay them up front. The state of New Mexico is so screwed up they put up a 1-800 number saying if you even "SUSPECT" child abuse (EVEN IF THERE IS NO "EVIDENCE" to support it) to call that number. And so what if you destroy an innocent person's life and that of their family. THat's OK if you "THINK" you are doing the right thing. THere are even LAWS to protect the "IDENTITY" of the person who is LIBELING/SLANDERING you. WHile the person who is accused of child abuse is NEVER, EVER, EVER allowed to face their accuser. And people want to know why I became a CONSERVATIVE, REGISTERED REPUBLICAN! THIS is ONE of the MANY reasons WHY! |
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was the one who 'turned' me into CWS at all. She happened to admit it during one of her tirades on the phone to me. And she told me that she destroyed me once and would do so again. And yet not ONE lawyer will HELP ME! |
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Not ONE lawyer would take my case. The police told me "Until she committs a crime .........there's nothing they can do." |
Harrassment is a crime.
There's something else at work here, then, if nobody will touch this. Is this woman in some official position? First, change your phone number and make it unlisted/unpublished. Don't give it out to anyone you don't absolutely have to give it to. Keep track of who you DO give it to; if she gets it, then you can figure out where she got it. You may as well make it difficult for her if you can. And by all means document everything. You may not be able to do much right now, but a history trail will help in the long run. I am Dawg :warrior: |
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