The Infamous Jogging Bra Scene
 

Is Starbuck's jogging bra based in reality (the script) or is it just an urban legend started on these boards and repeated so many times that we now all just assume that it was real?

No cheating. Don't go look at a copy of the script.

RGrant your avatar is to die for (to die another day for?) :D

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One of the pictures released this week shows that scene, I believe. Not quite a jogging bra.

Obviously this is just one of those silly myths the continuationists like to use.

It's well known than on the new Galactica, nobody ever wears a bra.

The expression on their faces in that pic made me laugh. It looks like one of those Mad magazine satires

The Jogging bra was metioned way back in early December when Filmjerk posted the character description sheet.

Then it was specifically mentioned in the script complete with mindless "BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM!" dialogue.

These Moore supporters can rip apart the original series all they want. At least we had ABC's network execs to blame on most of the flaws and atleast we didn't have BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM! BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM! BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM!BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM!BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM!BOOM-cha-gah-la! BOOM-BOOM-BOOM!

My question is what idiot is going around making these acusations of us in regards to making up the jogging in the sports bra?

It's all right there in the script.


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Scooter:
Calm down, chill a moment, think warm sunshine. OK. Now did you see how the poll was worded? And did you take note of who started it? bwahahahahahaha.

*jewels notes that the "costume" (a left over from a Dharma & Greg yoga scene, no doubt) has more coverage than the usual sports bra, though 6's midriff baring camisole makes up for that in the Hollywood equation, she's sure.*

Don't worry, Scooter. Jewels is right. This was for fun. Mostly.

THE ANSWER:

From the script itself: "She's dressed in jogging bra, shorts, running shoes and eventually we'll learn that her name is KARA THRACE."

So we didn't just make up the jogging bra, as two people here believe, or as two people here were lead to believe by lies posted elsewhere.

On a positive note that has nothing to do with trickery and deceit, it appears that our criticisms of the infamous jogging bra may have resulted in said jogging bra being changed into a T-Shirt and tank top. But it certainly existed in the script. It's right there in black and white for anyone who wants to check. No amount of lies will change that.

Bra's Bra's Bra's

What with all this Bra stuff.

I remember when the ladies on Blakes 7 all went bra less for several episodes. :drool: :drool: :drool:

I wasn't angry or anything. I am sorry if my post came off wrong.

I was merely asking what idiot is going around acusing us of starting that rumor?

First it's the 70s hair that we want and now it's the damn sports bra.

And yes Jewels it has been warm and sunny for 4 entire fays in a row.

I even knocked off work early today and went to the beach.

I actually saw bikinis today. Woo hoo! I also got a phone number while I was having a beer at the Tiki Bar.

Summer is finaly here.

The past 50 days of rain and clouds really put a damper on my mood.

Scooter: I'm glad you finally got to go to the beach.

Now, are we sure that picture on genre is of the jogging scene?

I figured it must be Kara Thrace's dress uniform.

A jogging bra is a jogging bra. Regardless of wether it is the transexual Starbuck or if it an entirely new character, I see nothing wrong with a lady running around in a jogging bra.

Fact is and this is one point that I am in total disagreement with most over. A lot in the early days of having first read the script refered to it as hedonistic because of a few brief scenes of nudety and the fact that it showed a little more flesh than the classic seventies series of which we are all fans. Yes even I still love the original show. But am not going to berrate moores show on the basis that it is hedonistic because in my oppinion it is not.

Hedonistic is an orgy taking place in a shower where you get to see mens genitals as well as womens, where you get to see far more than one person getting it on so to speak regardless of wether they are married or a couple. Hedonist as defined in the dictionary is a person whose sole purpose in life is the pursuit of pleasure and the avoidance of pain...

Back onto the script, a hand job is refered to but not shown, how is that hedonistic or pornograthic?

Sex was implied back in the classic show, sure it was never shown, but there was only so much that you could get away with in the 70s. Now though it is a different storie altogether, hell even Star Trek has had it's brief flirtations with cross gendered sexuality and has had scenes of two women kissing once. These are the sort of things, that if you ever read Sci Fi that do actually crop up now and then.

I think that some elements of the new script should actually be admired. Sure the downside is, we will not be seeing our beloved classic series characters and the wonderful actors who portrayed them, but there our some valid points in Moores script. For example the reactions of the colonist as the cylons attack. That was actually softened a great deal in the classic seventies show. There is also more scope in Moores version for the politics of what happened. The original skirted the political side to some extent in order to appeal to the broader seventies audiance.

Look at Star Trek the original series and look at the Next Generation and you will see how politics and things have changed over the 15 year period between the two shows.

I am by no means backing Moores production here in these statements am just stating the facts. Times have changed, technology has changed, attitudes have changed. Back in the 70s people were not accepting of homosexuality or other religions or theological beliefs. To an extent these things are more accepted now in society and it is this fact that is being reflected to an extent in Moores script and indeed in other sci fi shows. Such as the recently defunct Oddysy Five in which you had a self confessed Hedonist in the storie who was forever in conflict with the more upstanding characters within that storie. You would never have had a character like that back in the 1970s because the networks would never have allowed it.

If we ever got a continuation of the classic show, and am not saying that a continuation will never happen, the chances are it still could. But if one were to ever be produced the developers would have too look at the politics of today in order to make it more believable to todays Sci Fi Audiance. Do you think that everyday people would have gotton the high technology philosophical viewpoints of 'The Matrix' 20 years ago. Some would have but not the majority.

Anyway these are just a few points to mull over. Am not saying that the remake is right or wrong. Because at the end of the day we have to live with it now. I certainly will be giving it a look more out of curiosity. But the classic series still will be the mainstay in my mind because I happened to love the original Starbuck as in the typical heptrosexual version before he went under the knife.:z:

And where have you been?

This has been talked over dozens of times recently.

It seems to be the general consensus that any remake (of any property, not just BSG) would have to reflect the general advances of our society and storytelling technology. I don't expect, for example, Apollo to be the shining, infallible hero he was in the original, I expect him to be a bit more complex a character - I don't, however, expect him to the the whining SOS he is in Moore's mini.

We would expect those advancements in storytelling that the past 25 years have brought us to be used in retelling BSG.

But, if you're not going to bring us a continuation (with the same advancements, mind you), give us a true remake. Most of us still won't watch the mini, because the mini is not Battlestar Galactica.

And THAT is the issue.

I'm not that big a bra fan, anyway. :naughty:

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Dawg
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My point wasn't about bras being good or bad. It was about the very existence of the bra. Did it exist in the script or didn't it? That's all I was asking. There are factions that may be attempting to call us liars about the bra scene, implying that in our attempt to deride every aspect of the mini we would make up lies about the script. I wasn't trying to bring up the moral implications of a bra in space or anywhere else. I think the jogging bra scene got so much flak not because it was a woman wearing a jogging bra, but because it was Starbuck wearing a jogging bra.

Also, Sire Uri was a hedonist and he was a great character and foil for Adama.

As far as the sex scenes and all the rest that you can get away with in modern times compared to 1978...I like it. I like that you can get away with more. I like the fact that you can show people in a double bed now instead of twin beds. I like the fact that it's not 1978, and I don't want it to be 1978 again. Can't believe I'm going over all this again. Phew.

But, you do it so well!!

Always fun to antagonize you into writing, Ray. ;) :laugh:

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Dawg
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Personally I like that we can get away with more now as well. But not everyone sees it this way.

I have encountered fans that are so staunch in their fandom of the original show, that they are blinded to the fact that in the 21st century we can talk more openly about things such as sexuality. But Sci Fi in the media has a long way to go to actually reach some of the political and moralistic debates and thoughts that I have read in certain Sci Fi books and short stories.

BSG_Sci_FiPulse wrote:
Excuse me? That's kind of two subjects at once, isn't it?

You're accusing some people of living in 1978.

And, I suppose, there are some. Maybe that's another good poll, Ray - see if there are some of us who really live in 1978. Disco, the hair, the funny pants.

I was 21 in 1978. I wouldn't go back there if you paid me.

Well, maybe if you paid me.... and I got to keep the knowlege I've gained in the past 25 years.... :naughty:

But I don't think you will find many of them here, BSG_Sci_FiPulse.

Since the only sci-fi movies being made at the moment are, basically, Star Wars and Star Trek (I do not count the sci-fi-horror/slasher or comic book efforts), you're right - there is infinitely more variety in printed media. Always has been.

Forgive me for saying so, but your attempts to create an argument seems off point for this debate, which is whether bras are scripted or some evil extraterrestrial effort to cause men to lose interest.

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Dawg
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I think they say that televised SF lags behind written SF by about 20 years or so.

Dawg, I never get antagonized...just motivated. Most of the time I can't get into serious debate, though. It just wears me out, and after all the words are exchanged, there's hardly ever any kind of payoff or satisfaction.

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Lmao

Am not trying to be argumentative as such. Guess am just trying to widen the scope of the topic, but in answer to your question, having just finished having read the script for a third time, cos I did eventually review the damn thing back in February. There is a sports Bra mentioned. It actually turns out to be of Cylon origin as well and is somewhat ACDC in nature like it's wearer. Gallows humour there.

Actually though Sci Fi in books I would say the lag is a bit more than 20 years. At the moment of reading a book which is a series of short stories some of which were actually written about 75 years ago. One of these stories ended up being made into an episode of the Twilight Zone. I cannot say too much about this right now. But once have read the thing cover to cover I will be posting a reveiw of it at the Pulse.

So if it is true that Kara Thrace is running around in a jogging bra, personally, I'd find that B-O-R-I-N-G.
Seen one, ya seen 'em all.

If Ron had any creativity he would have given her laser blasters a la the fembot-esque girls in "Austin Powers".

I mean if the female Cylons can have knockers why not jazz up the real deal? Even things out a bit. Oh what fun space battles they would be.

Kara "Starbuck" Thrace and Boomer what's her face standing side by side..comrades in arms...blasting away straight from the ..ahem..heart at those bad girl Baltar snogging Cylons.

And this ends my very lame attempt to mock an even lamer production.

Tracy :hack: