How would Galactica fans envision action sequences in a series of BG movies


Most of the films you named were GARBAGE-especially the superhero movies..
If the story is no good, then all the CGI in the world is just a waste. Example The Phantom Menace or The Revenge of the Sith two of the most colossal steaming brown piles of bad movie making it has been my displeasure to watch-ever. Worse than that pile of dreck I, Robot!
Nothing like some of the crap seen in the Star Wars prequels, that’s for sure!
Stick to the best science. Wormhole inflation.
Spiderbot Centurions or ball shaped floaters as SPCglider and I discussed more than half a year ago.
Colonial against Colonial? Use Israeli IDF street-fighter melee combat techniques. Leave that Hollywood martial arms crap where it belongs. When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.

Martial arts aginst machines is stupid. Use CGI generated kinetics effects.(Blow the Cylons up or shoot them.)
Van Daniken? Please! :thumbdown There is enough utter stupidity being taught in our public schools without using popular mass entertainment to spread the lies. Use the Egyptian religious motifs as a HERITAGE not as a precursor ancient astronaut ancestors type of nonsense. .
Use the Mormon/Israel Exodus biblical heritage roots to develop that good/evil conflict in Battlestar Galactica as it was originally set forth.in the CBSG treatment.

The Shadows/Vorlons conflict of Babylon 5 comes out of JMS’ own experience with Jungian psychology and would not fit at all with the faith-driven story of the Colonial RT fleet fleeing the Cylon tyranny. One tradition is distinctly religious. The other is ATHEISTIC.
Use the Colonials of the RT fleet as you wish to tell the story of the exodus from their viewpoints. CBSG was always weak in this area.
Space pirates? Infeasible as space pirates make no sense in the Colonial story arc. There is no commerce to raid. Space Indians for our "Mormons" to encounter? Possible but UNLIKELY. Still possible.

Other aliens? Aside from the Cylons and the named canon aliens? No!
Blade Runner or Gattica applied to CBSG. Story, story, story, story! The SFX will take care of itself with Singer/Desanto in the saddle.

As always;

Damocles,

I think the idea behind KJ's post was to -- get people to think of what they would like to see in a continuation movie.

In my view, he presented the examples as a springboard for ideas....not that they would become part of the show bible.


If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.




On another note...... Lord Of The Rings -- garbage???


I...........don't.........think............so.


Care to elaborate.

And the Von Daniken theories were a large basis for the backstory of BSG as well. The what-if factor - what if there were brothers of man who were even now fighting to survive, somewhere across the heavens.

It doesn't matter if those theories were discredited. The story was about the survivors of the 12 Colonies in search of the 13th - Earth. Take that away and you take away something core to what makes Battlestar Galactica the story it is.

I am
Dawg
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THANK YOU!

(also like to add Brotherhood of the wolf -- garbage ??? WTF? :rolleyes: )

Exactly. some that the new show avoided to its peril etc.

Ya know, its one thing to jump down somebody throat. its entirely another when you jump the gun and get all your facts and points way off. What exactly have you contributed to this thread Damocles? Point was to come up with your own theories as to how a Galactica continuation would go about being entirely fresh with its own "action set pieces"!

Films i've listed maybe be somewhat questionable, but thats not the point of the arguement IS IT! most of them have gross ugly amounts of money at the box office and thensome! Don't like it, TOUGH they made tons of money upon release. and alot of them were more than just popcorn flicks bub, Much as fans of this fanbase want a continuation from either the remains of DeSanto or Hatch's former envisioned Galactica projects BUT fandom hasn't anything to discuss though? Star Wars fans can brag about Anakin and Obiwan dueling or Yoda Vs Count Dooku to their hearts content COS IT HAPPENED whether or not if the prequels were 'mack' to begin with from 'egomaniac, do it my way' George Lucas.

Never listed any superhero movies? If you were paying attention i said recent superheroes movies, which leaves it kinda of open to which ones were good and what were the worse ones etc? If you're going to rant get your facts right!

What and after that you're all worn out? Incaperble of talking or coming up with any new theories about how they work into a movie version. Spiderbot Centurions huh? Thanks and........WTF exactly does it do? bark By your command like the regular TOS Cylon? See that why i said STATE YOU REASONS FOR AN ACTION SEQUENCE! Telling me of a year old discussion where you brought this up is pretty pointless. Expand on it if the discussion was that great then.

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Who said anything against just Cylons? Galactica's got a big ass canvas for other enemies to show up?

Last time i took at look at movies they exaggerate things to the BLOODY extreme!!! This isn't Gino bub.

Martial arts aginst machines is stupid

Not if lets say, some Colonial Warriors had bionic upgrades, or if a bunch of Space Pirates showed up and had the same thing etc.

Watch some asian sci-fi/martial art films and then get back to me o.k.

When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.

Yeah just like on the old school playground (ahh those memories? ;) )

Seriously if so, why bitch when i mentioned Kill Bill then? Then again if you really want all that, then go watch UFC, Vale Tudo or Pancreas fighting on cable?

(oh please don't even think to challenge me on B5 related stuff? :D )

WRONG, neither Count Iblis nor the John and the beings from the "Ships of Light" are flesh and blood. Same goes with the Vorlons and Shadows of Babylon 5. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOTIFS OF HIGHER BEINGS PERIOD!

The two part War Of The Gods episode expanded upon Battlestar Galactica saying that advance beings walk amounst them, what better way for other more powerful characters of the TOS Galactica franchise to be a major all powerful "threat" in the possible live action set of movies, should Galactica reach the big screen in a few years time and turn up in the sequels no less?

(sheeeeesh :rolleyes: )

EXACTLY!!! :thumbsup:

Thats what i meant from the get go! Thanks again BST.

WRONG once again *sigh* "The Beta Pirates" script following the pliot episode would've been greenlighted as one of the double episodes, had it not cost too much money and time and effort to film.

Considering other unfilmed scripts were nearly filmed as well like "Two For Twilly" and "Showdown". To come out and say alot of the unused concepts of Battlestar Galactica were not to be used or weren't ever going to be resurrected is folly, and is quite a stupid thing to say actually?

So basically you're lazy? And you've never had a thought in your head for your own and wanted to discuss it, is that what your telling us?

Singer and DeSanto have moved on to other projects, yeah DeSanto hanging on but both he and Singer are fans like us? Only difference is? That they are also professionals who work in the movie industry and probably remember the same outlined ideas they had for Galactica and would've done their own take on it.

Bio-organic Cylons was Singer's idea wasn't it? As was the Scarlet and Duet Viper's for Hatch's Galactica, less said about Larson's walking Vipers the better, but those were his idea and all.

Point is, what if Singer doesn't come back for the ride and Larson tells DeSanto i've got someone else in mind? Who would you put faith in then to do Galactica for the big screen and what unique concepts which aren't that of Singer/Desanto, Hatch or Larson can you come up with by lonesome with strong sci-fi/fantasy elements?

Don't bother answering! No offence but stick to Gin.."that other show?" o.k. TOS Galactica kinda demands an overactive imagination! Some of us get it is all, while others don't.

KJ

I understood that quite clearly.
May I point out what he suggested as guidance?

The Lord Of The Rings{excellent- I like Tolkien}

The Matrix and its sequels{garbage}
Star Wars prequels{utter garbage} The Fifth Element{mediocre}
Brotherhood Of The Wolf{Bad story}
The Descent{boring}
Kill Bill{utterly stupid},
The Ring (remake, the original was better)
Casshern{steaming pile}
Dark City{mediocrity}
Terminator 3{rehashed cliches}
Silent Hil{Utter waste of time}l
Superheroes movies.{with the exception of Spiderman, pretty much a waste of money and time.}
A person who invokes ancient astronaut mythology as a basis for any story telling? I'll rip that apart much as I would rip apart Grey 17 is Missing because it is such awful tripe..
Did you read me write that? No.
I didn't think you did.
If you want the fifty word or less critique anyway?
The Fellowship of the Ring was somewhat narrative confused in its presentation.
The Two Towers plodded along to its rising action.
The Return of the King tried to jam a little too much story in too short a piece of time.

Still, The Lord of the Rings, in this degenerate age of story telling is fine film making. Just not something I would rank up with say Metropolis, though the trilogy is better than Gone With The Wind.
Gattica and Blade Runner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner

Those two films hit the moral dilemna that CBSG has at its ultimate core head on and what I ultimately took away from the original series when I saw it. FAITH AND MAN. FAITH AND MACHINE. MAN AND MACHINE AND THE QUESTION OF FREEDOM.
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As always;

For KJ

Brotherhood of the Wolf? If I want to see some French B movie werewolf fantasy I'll rent La Belle et la Bete by Cocteau, thank you!

Quite easily to ascertain; you did not read what I wrote?
Recent garbage superhero movies in order of presentation/regression then.{You do not have to list them them for me to know about which you wrote, KJ. Noit everything has to be laboriously spelled out. D.]
Superman
X-men movies
Hulk
Batman Begins
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Originally Posted by Damocles
Spiderbot Centurions or ball shaped floaters as SPCglider and I discussed more than half a year ago.
First of all I did not imagine that you would have such a lack of imagination that you could not visualize the imagery of Centurions built as spiderbots or floating ballbots. Secondly to me the movie is not about the action sequences. It is about the story and the people in it. If you want an action sequence event; go to North Hollywood and wait for real life to come calling. Be prepared to duck though. Those bullets are real.

I've addressed this. Don't fall into the Berman alien of the movie schtick.
Look mate, you aren't qualified to assess how I analyze since you missed so much of what you wrote and a great deal of what I wrote by letting your emotion get in the way of your cognition.

SO LET ME HELP YOU!

http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

There I am Thinker2222.

http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144
Do some real fighting hand to hand and get back to me, KJ.
No. I mean like when you take a rifle butt and smash the head of a man in so hard that it splits like a pumpkin right where the four bony plates that form the top of his skull come together, KJ.
Living it was bad enough. I don't need to see the ignorant try to fantasize it on screen.

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Originally Posted by Damocles
The Shadows/Vorlons conflict of Babylon 5 comes out of JMS’ own experience with Jungian psychology and would not fit at all with the faith-driven story of the Colonial RT fleet fleeing the Cylon tyranny. One tradition is distinctly religious. The other is ATHEISTIC.
You really have stepped in the mess on that one, KJ;

Here let me help you some more;

http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=236
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9

You are challenged. Put up!
You don't have the beginnings of an argument there my friend. If you make such a fundamental error as to B5's First Ones and how JMS used them; and then compare them to Galactica's Beings of Light then you are in quicksand. I suggest you swim out.



[quote=KJ
EXACTLY!!!

Thats what i meant from the get go! Thanks again BST.
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Well you are getting it here in spades. And you had a piece of it to read if you had just looked at it and recognized it, immediately below.

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This nonsense continues................

Tallyho with the errant illogic!

Actually considering the realities of story telling, believability factors, drama required in the central core values of CBSG introducing space pirates is exactly what would kill the CBSG continuation and probably why the Beta Pirates never made the light of day.. If you want Buck Rogers, say so, KJ, but COUNT ME OUT oof that mistake. I know what a story of Exodus is-and how faith is the central dramatic driver. CBSG is no space cowboy shoot-them-up.
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Offence taken KJ, You don't know about what you write.

Read onward.

My own work posted here. Excuse me that it deals with GINO folks, but it was what I wanted for that show to be if it was not going to be a steaming brown pile of RDM goo. It gives one possible idea of a successful continuation;

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Break

Its called a treatment KJ. Put up.

As for classic Galactica KJ?

READ AND LEARN:

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=12689

That is a play about the Pegasus and Sheba. It's story driven. And it is what I MEAN when I write you cannot have a good drama without a good story.
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Now to BST and the rest of this community, my apologies for my anger.

To KJ. I hope you understand that I dealt with you justly and fairly in this reply. You so badly misjudged the person with whom you are insultingly corresponding. I hope you have a better gauge of the truth and now understand me that when I write something, I know about what I write._________________________

To Dawg

The Van Daniken theories were so much bunk in the day when I first saw CBSG(1978){Yes I am that OLD} that I instantly rejected the nonsenjse when that criminal and fraud first floated his con-game in 1973.

I always understood for myself that "the brothers of man" settled Kobol from a precursor Tellusian race; thus I justified the Egyptian motifs of the Colonials by assuming for my own suspension of disbelief that the Colonials were the spaceseed of the fallen Atlantean civilization of EARTH. That the Thirteenth Tribe never left this world, that the other twelve tribes were attempting to find Manhomeqhen they set forth after the Cylon attack.

I also always took to heart the Biblical Exodus nature of the Twelve Colonies and that Earth was their promised home as well as being their precursor origin point. This is not the Van Daniken criminal's viewpoint to be sure; I preferring a Robert Howard/Linwood Carter Lemurian viewpoint of the origin of the Colonials.

That they came from Lemuria was a hypothesis that I could accept for suspension of disbelief. It allowed me to accept the Egyptian motifs that the Colonials used in CBSG without having to believe in the chariots of the gods criminal's incompetent ravings.

For you see, it is just barely possible{1 chance in 10,000,000,000} that the Lemuria theory is correct. None at all for Daniken though.

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And for those of you who complain I haven't provided enough background on what I would like to see in a continuation..........

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=12593

How to build a better Centurion.

Showing once again, I am a very hard science fiction kind of guy.

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=12033

How to travel faster than light.

If you want the Viper thread?

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=12061

How Vipers could shoot Cylon Raiders.

That should establish what I want in the continuation as far as the effects and the science in the fiction.

Now then, with the technical details out of the way, why did I choose movies such as Gattaca and Blade Runner to serve as examples for story telling?

Simple. Man against ????? Man for ??????? Man achieves ??????

Writing 101. That was what those two movies delivered in spades.

There. My anger is gone.

As always;

Yet we're posting to each other? Yes your logic (if you can call it that) is believable (not!).

So what are you psychic?! Name one of my favorites superhero flicks that has come out since 2000 if you don't need me to point out which one it is then?!

Yeah i'm asking for exaggerated sci-fi fantasy elements in a possible Galactica continuation so i'll journey to North Hollywood to duck bullets. WTF? :rotf:

Yeah, shove you out there and all and you'll be ducking too, or are you really stupid enough to stand still and take it as you are on my thread? Hmmmm?

:rotf: :LOL:

Please............ I haven't posted several times in a row filled with spelling mistakes (Noit everything has to be laboriously spelled out.)? huh come again. Whats the matter, unable to control yourself calm down.

Oh i have, not that you would know of bub. Getting macho are we? heh whatever pal, i've got better thing to do in life than listen and read a guy brag about his toughness and playing guessing games with someone he doesn't know on the internet?

Er.....thought this was supposed to be about Battlestar Galactica? And that sh*t you're on about is enough to get you thrown in jail, what the hell are you on about anyways? Killing a man WTF for, thats got nothing to do with fighting.

speaking of which you also said this nonsense....

What you've been in the UFC? and Pancreas? Yeah right, when you post up the pictures i'll believe you until then you full of it? And even if you were, who cares, this is about Galactica, hard to believe anybody from that would be posting up on here talking about BG?

Anyways moving on analyzing more of what else ( :rolleyes: ) this guy has to say....


Once again Damocles own opinion which doesn't reflect that of others and certainly not that of my own example here which i merely layed out as recent films which all have interesting action sequences.

No no you haven't you're clearly misguilded is what you are, as such can be judged from your bahavior on here towards me for some unknown reason?


Sorry but its laughable and 'mack', and i'm being totally serious! Thats my honest reaction here.

Been there done that, go look up my BG continuation treatements on skiffy's old web pages from 2002. And talk to Raymar3rd or Michael Faries if you can? I discussed way more treatments ideas than you've offer up here junior???

heh :...:

And on the Babylon 5 angle...

And he put up a bunch of useless links for me to discover. Wow, see thing is, thats crap. Cos i'd be better off arguing with a sane individual who knew that knowing a series is through watching it, not putting up fancy links to stuff he's found online or places he goes.

I know of Babylon 5 cos i WATCH THE SERIES, not links i found online bub. :rolleyes: (Jesus whats your problem!)

I'd say get back to me when you've prepared a proper arguement. But i don't want to offer you tons of 'homework' to corilate together!

If thats a challenge i'm laughing right now! Cos all i see are links and not any questions based on the series itself to test your knowledge.

Oh and i recorded the series and own the DVD's so please give your big mouth a rest and lie down, you couldn't hope to challenge me on B5 and until you can respond to my post without acting like a madman, you haven't earned the right, for me to rely to anything you have to say in return on the issue.

If you have nothing more to say or ruin here then butt out, this thread was for people to discuss not to badger others with ignorance. And Dawg and BST have clearly told you off for your inane actions already.

Behave yourself, you come out with that tripe and expect to be taken seriously? get out of here, and for one, i Know exactly who i'm corresponding to. A person who jumped in and tried to ruin a decent thread i started for others to gauge and get their replies to a topic i came out with.

It is you who so badly misjudges to whom he is speaking with pal believe me i'm deadly serious on that issue! And i've dealt with you in equal measure Damocles accordingly, if you don't like it tough? Since you've admited to being angry, then you've already failed and owned up to being foolish in your attempts to sound all knowing on here. Guess your emotions got in the way of your cognition huh?

Who the hell understands why you went off half cocked after my first post here? beats the sh*t outta me and others here i presume. And typing out the word "apologies" doesn't make you sorry either, thats something best left for us to decide.

My suggestion to you is, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP. In the future!

KJ

Enough, children.



I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Point well understood, Dawg. Like 3DMaster I've seen to have found another one.

As for you, KJ? I am unimpressed and underwhelmed by your alleged putups.

Do better if you can with others.

I waste no more time with you.

ENDIT.

I've decided to CLOSE this particular thread and hopefully the histrionics that went along with it......

....however, the original premise for the thread is worthy of discussion and I've split it off to another thread.....

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums...ad.php?t=13216


So............ let's try this again.

BST