Would you like Galactica animated?

[thomas7g]

If there was a Battlestar Revival, but it was animated instead of live action, would you be dissapointed? Or would you be excited about it?

I for one ould love to see an animated return. Computer graphics are fully capable of reviving our heros like how they were back then. Time has past. Our heros have aged. So even a live action versioin would look different anyways.

This was we could start an animated series the day after Hand of God, the last episode of the series.

We could possibly have all the original voices return. Or at least as many that are willing to contribute.

All the CGI is possible.

I would be happy to see an animated series. I think I would like it more than even a live action movie version with Adama, Athena and Baltar replaced.

What say you guys?

Galactica Animated?

[Gemini1999]

Tom -

You know how I love anime....! I would love a high quality anime-type BSG film (or series), just as long as it didn't mess with the concepts, visually or story-wise, to suit the OAV style of anime.

Just seeing something that looks like what we want and seeing familiar faces (anime-wise) along with the familiar voices would be rather exciting!

Best,
Bryan

[braxiss]

never would have thought about an animated series, but i think it could work and i for one would jump at the chance to have the big g back. :thumbsup:

[gmd3d]

YEAH I would go for that , no problem at all .

[martok2112]

3D CGI animated as a continuation TV series would be fine.

But I still want a live action THEATRICAL MOVIE that continues osBG ;)


Agreed to both! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Martok2112

[repcisg]

I could go for a CGI animation series, shoot, much of the new series is CGI. So why not take the next step and do the whole thing that way. The original pushed into new territory why not again?

[martok2112]

I just had a really horrific and irreverent thought.

What if they got Shrek to guest star as a Hasari in an all CGI version of the classic? :D


(well....I thought it was funny :D )

Martok the Repeatedly Irreverent

[martok2112]

Shrek was already seen in "Enterprise" in the form of "Big SHow" as an Orion slaver ;)

:rotf:

[kingfish]

No.

[doc834]

I'd say yes. Of course it probably wouldn't tie into the current series, would it?

[repcisg]

A CGI TOS series or movie could work, if done right. I remember the CGI Star Ship Troopers series. The CGI wasn't quite there but I could see the promise of CGI. It is now only a matter of time and Tech.

[BST]

Computer graphics are fully capable of reviving our heros like how they were back then. Time has past. Our heros have aged. So even a live action versioin would look different anyways. This was we could start an animated series the day after Hand of God, the last episode of the series.


This would enable the Original show to segue to the present time period without having "mysterious references" to 25-, 26-, 27-year time span between the Original show and the present time period. Take the characters, in their 1970's era "look" and age them, to account for the passage in time, with the end result having them "look" as they do, today. If Larson were on board, with this, then the tales could be considered part of the TOS canon.


Interesting concept, Tom. :thumbsup:

[BST]

"Created by...."

It's his baby. My mindset is this - we already have a perception conflict between TOS and TNS. (Just look at the last 3 words before the period ( '.' )). We always have to "qualify it". If he were on board, then it could be the "official" story and that way, if it does transition to a live-action movie, all the hard work won't go to waste. If he wasn't on board and a live-action movie was produced, it could re-write all that was done in an animated effort. I'm only thinking of a way to avoid wasted effort and to help tie everything together so that it's in tune with his original vision.

*shrugs - then, again, maybe it's not that big a deal and I'm being a worry-wart, for nothing.

:D

[Sci-Fi]

A CGI TOS series or movie could work, if done right. I remember the CGI Star Ship Troopers series. The CGI wasn't quite there but I could see the promise of CGI. It is now only a matter of time and Tech.

Off topic:

"Roughnecks - Starship Troopers Chronicles", imho and I am an admitted fan, was superior to the movie. Although the character "Dizzy" was a man in the book and became a woman in both the movie and animated series, it worked out better and gave Rico a difficult emotional choice (Carmen or Dizzy) to make. If you follow each of the the campaign story arcs, you find an excellent chemistry between the characters, great stories, and a lot of good moments. Unfortunately, Sony decided that the animated series was too adult and was missing its intended target audience (young kids) and cancelled the show despite protests and write-in campaigns by fans. We are lucky that Sony finally released the series on DVD, although some (actually all) of the clip shows are missing from various DVD campaign arcs.

Foundation Imaging, and to some extent Flat Earth, did an excellent job on the CGI animation considering the time limitations and added pressure. The mistake of selling the series to syndication with only 5-6 episodes completed, not the 2 months worth of episodes needed for a daily M-F airing, really killed much of the momentum the series could have enjoyed. Sometimes they constantly repeated episodes or showed the episodes out of order (whenever new episodes were released).

:salute:

[BST]

But if DeSanto did the CGI series, then turned around and was on the movie production, I think it'd stay within the lines of continuity ;)

Agreed. Based on the reports from Galacticon, he and Larson were, generally, on the same page so, it would be canon. I just want to make sure that we nail down Larson's involvement so that a "monkey wrench" can't come flying in, at some point down the road.

:nervous: *shudders ooooooo *shudders :D

[jewels]

I think it would be a lot of fun.

That thing about Universal saying it's confusing: If I've understood what I was browsing in the DVD aisles, when X2 released there was an animated thing just about Wolverine that hit the shelves as it released. Granted, Tom & Bryan were loyal to the lore so that tie-ins would work, but I do remember thinking of how that was a great way to capitalize on X2 and possibly (not sure because I didn't view the DVD) bring in the younger audience too.

I think it could work to Universal's benefit to give some thought to diversifying on this much neglected property of theirs. Animation could do it easily and still be quality. The voices could be right, though I doubt anime could capture that spark that Dirk gave Starbuck or the more layered, subtle nuances that each cast member brought to their roles. Those can only be captured completely with a live action cast.

Marketing opportunities.....Anime would give you toys and mass-market trading cards, board games, comics, bedroom sets....if the anime were fairly close to the spirit of the old show.
Of course I have a little girl who's waaaaaayyy too young to watch the Spidey movies or even the animated TV shows :D, but she has a Spiderman umbrella we better not ever lose and loves to let you know when she sees Spidey (and any other character she knows) on any licensed products we might see.

[Winemaster]

I would go for it but they would have to have adult scripts. I liked starship troopers animated for a kids show but I think it could have worked very well with mature themes

[Mustex]

Oh great, NOOOOWWWW I find this thread. In my opinion there's no question to Japanese should do it, although I'd probably prefer a more tradition 2-D approach, or else do it "Zoids" style (you do the characters 2-D in alot of anime, even if the ships and mechas are 3-D, this style involves doing just that, but then rendering the CGI into cell style, and putting a black line around it, it still looks great, but doesn't stick out as badly).

[warhammerdriver]

FINALLY! An idea to bridge the gap between TOS and a 20+ year later continuation (which I admittedly have a hard time wrapping my brain around).

I'd watch. And I think Anime would be the way to go (except for the always bushy hair and HUGE round eyes on the female characters). Someone would have to keep an eye on the animators tho. They LOVE to use lots of color on military craft. I guess that's where Larson and Desanto fit in.

[martok2112]

I think a Galactica cartoon would also look good in the style of the Batman/Superman/Justice League styles. The atmospheres created in those cartoons are moody enough...and I can only imagine how good the classic Galactica bridge would look in that style.

Or better yet, characters done in the beautiful style that our own Thomas7g did for Athena. :D

Martok2112

[BST]

I like the idea that some of the artistic talent, that we've been blessed with here, might have an opportunity to be showcased to a wider audience, if this idea ever took root and grew!

Gimli (puffing on a pipe): "Certainty of death, small chance for success......what are we waitin' for!!"

O :D O

[warhammerdriver]

Or better yet, characters done in the beautiful style that our own Thomas7g did for Athena. :D

I second that motion. All in favor?

[BRG]

A brilliant idea! :thumbsup:

If done well, an animated show would be an excellent way of continuing the original series from where it left off. And if you could get some of the orininal cast, plus suitable replacements for the sadly departed Greene & Colicos, I reckon it would be a sure fire winner!

I personally would prefer 2D, with some 3D models that fit into the show seamlessly.(I think I'm repeating Mustex ;) ) They use this in Futurama and it looks cool!
And as a serious animated show, I say look at Batman. The animated Batman series was easily better than the films. The best Batman outside the comic books IMO!
BRG

[gmd3d]

warhammerdriver wrote:
I second that motion. All in favor?

I support that motion :D AYE!!!
I would put Thomas in charge of the Art depatment. :thumbsup:

But what would be quicker in producing a animated version All 3D or a split of the two styles, 3D and 2D. just wondering .

martok2112
Or better yet, characters done in the beautiful style that our own Thomas7g did for Athena.
I like that idea alot a lot :thumbsup:

[CommanderTaggart]

Not much new to add, but my 2¢...

• An animated series would not be my first choice, but given the dagger Skiffy has driven into our hearts, if it's the only way to bring back TOS at the moment, I'm all for it

• I would not want this to be a kiddie show. Animation is fine, but I want adult-oriented scripts, stories, and character explorations.

• As Warrior said, it would thrill me to no end of this thing came about, and were such a success that it served as a springboard to a live-action, big screen continuation. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think DeSanto is a genius. Prove the market for the movie through the success of the animated series and subsequent DVD sales.

• As for style, I would not want Japanime... it's just so silly. I'd prefer 3D to 2D to make it look less "cartoony," and give it a greater sense of gravitas.

• In any case, if we want this, we need to let NBC-Universal know, as that's where Tom is hanging his hat at this point, from all reports. Addresses are in the CFF Announcement thread in this forum, or can be found at www.colonialfanforce.org.

[kingfish]

Live actors are better. Can't wait to see Dirk smoking his cigar as Starbuck. We came so close. Richard as Commander Apollo isn't a bad thing either. :D

[thomas7g]

Just wanted to add a small point.

Star Trek's revival first began as a bunch of conventions and some books and.....a cartoon series.


Tag- My friend, are you refering to the larger eyes and sharp chin look, ala Aladdin and Pocahontas? Japanese anime is very wide ranged. If you are talking story and style it is a wide ranged as american live action filmmaking.

its just that americans tend to see animation as kid's stuff. So only the juvenile stuff makes it to american TV.
:)
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[thomas7g]

btw everyone please check out this post I made months ago on this topic.

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6672

make sure you check the yellow link on my second post in the thread. You will love it! And imagine Vipers and Cylons instead of the robots and mecha. This is the current state of th art in Japan from a year ago. It features CGI masquerading as traditional hand drawn animation.

:)

:)

[gmd3d]

I would like to see both , a movie and a Animation version and having watched
the Starship Troopers series and enjoying every minute of it ,( and there is nothing kiddy about it at all).

And I also think that a Animation version of BSG keeping in with the old series
having the old, characters such as Richard and Dirk play their parts released
before a film could and generating more interest in the original show to a new and wider audience.
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Originally Posted by Thomas7g
Computer graphics are fully capable of reviving our heros like how they were back then. Time has past. Our heros have aged. So even a live action versioin would look different anyways. This was we could start an animated series the day after Hand of God, the last episode of the series.

BST
This would enable the Original show to segue to the present time period without having "mysterious references" to 25-, 26-, 27-year time span between the Original show and the present time period. Take the characters, in their 1970's era "look" and age them, to account for the passage in time, with the end result having them "look" as they do, today. If Larson were on board, with this, then the tales could be considered part of the TOS canon.

this is Just a thought :)
If there was to be a Animated BSG created as both Thomas and BST have suggested in a way, could fill the gap between the live series and the Film and that is something only a Animated show could do .

[martok2112]

I posted this in another thread on this board related to animation....and perhaps an animated Galactica....so I'll repost it here.


I agree with Commander Taggart that the stories must be adult oriented, with action and character exploration. I think that is why I liked the Batman/Superman/Justice League cartoons, because to an extent, they were that. But Galactica cartoons could take it a step further. (Justice League had a three part episode that took the heroes back to World War II that was really adult oriented...even down to the language at one small point...which made my jaw drop.) A Galactica cartoon would not need to go to the language length, but it would do well to cater more to the adults.

(Anybody here remember the animation styles used in Heavy Metal the Movie back in 1980?) Now that would be an ideal animation style for Galactica as well, but it would be impractical on a weekly basis.

I would love to see 3D starships mixed in with 2D animation as well.

To the end of writing stories or providing voice work....I'd fall in for those jobs in a heartbeat as well if we, the fans, were able to take up such an endeavor. We have the talented people here....it would be a matter of time. We have 3D artists, 2D artists, writers, voice actors, special effects guys, sound engineers, musicians, etc. Hell, we have some of the makings of a Colonial Fleets Production Company. It would be far less costly than trying to make a fan-film where costumes have to be designed and made, some props might have to be built, etc.


If anyone else here wants to take on such a project, COUNT ME IN!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Mustex]

FINALLY! An idea to bridge the gap between TOS and a 20+ year later continuation (which I admittedly have a hard time wrapping my brain around).

I'd watch. And I think Anime would be the way to go (except for the always bushy hair and HUGE round eyes on the female characters). Someone would have to keep an eye on the animators tho. They LOVE to use lots of color on military craft. I guess that's where Larson and Desanto fit in.


Um, BTW big eyes in anime are a symbol of innocence. I think that would be an automatic with TOS (although if it were TNS it would be big lips, because that's for evil people).

[Mustex]

• As for style, I would not want Japanime... it's just so silly. I'd prefer 3D to 2D to make it look less "cartoony," and give it a greater sense of gravitas.


You haven't watched much anime have you? I don't mean this offensively, but unlike American animators the Japanese have great diversity in their styles. I grant you DBZ is cartoony to an extent, but "Blue Gender" is very gritty and real feeling (in one episode a van was turned upright, and the girl inside fell to the back and died from busting her head, definately not anvils falling from the sky kind of violence).

[Mustex]

BTW, I'm afraid of the reaction I'll get for even suggesting this, but if Larson has the cinema rights, and Universal has the TV rights, who has the straight-to-video rights? Think about it, they used "Van Helsing: The London Assignment" as a way of building publicity, and pulling in some extra cash. Why not use some straight to video animation as proof-positive to Larson that we're still here (it could sell 150,000+ copies like the series, maybe more sense it wouldn't cost $100; plus it could lure in more anime fans).

[thomas7g]

Um, BTW big eyes in anime are a symbol of innocence. I think that would be an automatic with TOS (although if it were TNS it would be big lips, because that's for evil people).

I'm a former animation student and took history courses in it.
So I can tell you the story.

Its actually kinda funny. Out of the ashes of WWII japan arose this little guy named Osamu Tezuka who would become the father of japanese animation. The first real animator in Japan and very prolific and imitated. He created Astro Boy, and Kimba and a bunch of other animation. And basically everyone in Japan followed his style for years. Many still do.

But he developed his style after watching Disney's Bambi, which he absolutely loved.

;)

[thomas7g]

The funny thing is, that He influnced a guy who would be later known as the Japanese Disney, Hayao Miyazaki. And Miyazaki's stuff was so loved by Disney animators that they changed how THEIR characters looked. Glen Keane is the BIG heavyweight in Disney animation studios. And he loves Miyazaki. And you can see it in The little Mermaid, Aladin, Pocahontas and Tarzan.

:D

[peter noble]

I think you can do an animated show and have it appeal to all ages, just take Batman: The Animated Series as an example of the depth of storytelling and its wide appeal.

Also, with an animated series you can merchandise the hell out of it, something you can't do with Slutty Cylon Sexbots! ;)

Peter

[Senmut]

No. The critics will dismiss it as just another cartoon, and it would fail, making getting the film we want even harder to achieve.

[repcisg]

We need to face some hard truths.

Tom DeSanto does not share information easily or often, his followers are often forced to follow his actions in order to get an insight on what is going on. He is a live action producer, for him to go animated can only mean all doors to live action have been closed. In 1978, animation meant cartoons, not serious entertainment. So NBC probably owns the animation rights. And now that door has closed, at least for now.

Richard pushed very hard for a very long time, then began to distance himself from the project, to push his own project (Magellan). Now he will do two episodes in the new series. His message is clear.

Glen Larson owns the theatrical rights to the old series, he says he would like to do a movie. BUT he is getting on in years, may not have the strength to go forward and does not share. He has said many times Galactica is his baby. So why would he change at this point? He refused to share with Richard, he even helped close some of the doors in Richards face. And he seems to have done little to help Tom, I don’t buy Tom’s explanation of what happened, Eck was out looking for Moore before 9/11.

A fan based animation probably the best we can expect before the end of this decade, I would love to be proven wrong, I really would , but I don’t think I will be.

Now I‘m finished with the negative stuff – time to move forward.

We have many great talents here, many diverse backgrounds and a broad range of ages. The perfect conditions for total Chaos – I love it already. Guys and Gals all that is missing is a determination to do it. Richard is a great example, he risked all to make the trailer of Battlestar Galactica and then turned failure into success. He is working in acting again, rebuilding his reputation, and through that opening doors for Magellan. We can do the same.


So let’s get to work. We need many things:

A story to tell – plot, time line, art work, legal stuff, and many more things. Lets start a list.

[gmd3d]

So let’s get to work. We need many things:

A story to tell – plot, time line, art work, legal stuff, and many more things. Lets start a list.

OH I like this kind of thinking , I have been building up on a few thing over the last few months for my PC , Drawing pad Wacom, Truespace, and other bits and pieces, some I have yet to get and its all aim at art , I would like to sign up, (once I learn how to use this stuff) my only prob is my PC has not enough RAM only 128
I will be buying more after Xmas.
Once I get that watch out You guys will see alot more art coming this way.

[kingfish]

The BONO Law applies.

[gmd3d]

what's the BONO law?? :) have not hear that one before

[BST]

The BONO Law applies.


Kingfish,

Please elaborate.

BST

[repcisg]

Sonny Bono, while in congress pushed through some major changes to the copyright laws. Some of them quite draconian. However since his death most of the harsher components have been taken out or watered down.

But if we do a fan based story and do it only for "our own" use then far use laws apply. In otherwords as long as we do not charge or recieve compensation for our efforts we can go forward.

One important factor to keep in mind in a project such as this, it will be excelent "Training" exercise, that training can then be used to produce original works we can recieve compensation for.

[BST]

Thanks, rep.

I'm vaguely (very vaguely) :D familiar with the Sonny Bono law and when I saw KF's remark, I wasn't sure what part of the law he was citing.

:)

[kingfish]

When it comes to who owns what in the Galactica universe the knot becomes very tight and confusing. Universal owns the Galactica Logo and characters. Larson has the intellectual rights ie the story can't be precisely duplicated WITHOUT his permission visa vie the Bono law:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Co...m_Extension_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act)



Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
In the United States, the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 extended the duration of U.S. copyrights by 20 years. Before the act, copyrights lasted for the life of the author plus fifty years. After the act, copyrights lasted the life of the author, plus seventy years in the case of individual works, or seventy-five to ninety-five years in the case of works of corporate authorship and works first published before January 1, 1978. It also affected works still under copyright that were published prior to this date, increasing their term of protection by 20 years as well. This effectively 'froze' the advancement date of the public domain in the United States for works covered by the older fixed term copyright rules. Under this act, no additional works made in 1923 or after, and that were still in copyright in 1998, will enter the public domain until 2019. Unlike European Union copyright extension legislation, the Sonny Bono Act was not retroactive. It did not revive copyrights that had already expired.

Under the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works states are required to provide copyright protection for a term of the life of the author plus fifty years. However, the convention permitted parties to provide for a longer term of protection, and between 1993 and 1996, the European Union provided protection for a term of the author's life plus seventy years (see Directive on harmonising the term of copyright protection). The United States, however, only provided for the minimum required by the convention.

As a result, many literary works, movies and fictional characters, which were quite profitable for the copyright owners, were threatened with soon passing into the public domain. This included several characters owned by the Walt Disney Company; without the act, Mickey Mouse would have entered the public domain between 2000 and 2004 when early short films such as Steamboat Willie and Plane Crazy were due to reach the end of the 75-year copyright term. Still, in several countries (e.g. in Russia, where the Berne convention was not retroactive) Mickey Mouse and all other works created before 1970 are in the public domain.

Copyright owners successfully lobbied Congress for an extension of copyright, to provide for the same term of protection as exists in Europe. Both houses of the United States Congress passed the act as Public Law 105-298 with a voice vote, making it impossible to determine who voted for or against.

As a consequence of the act, no copyrighted works will enter into public domain due to term expiration in the United States until January 1, 2019, when all works created in 1923 will enter into public domain.

In addition to Disney (whose extensive efforts in lobbying for passage of this lent it its darkly humorous nickname of "The Mickey Mouse Protection Act"), Mary Bono (Sonny Bono's widow and Congressional successor) and the estate of George Gershwin supported the act. Mary Bono, speaking on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, noted that "Sonny wanted the term of copyright protection to last forever", but that since she was "informed by staff that such a change would violate the Constitution", Congress might consider Jack Valenti's proposal of a copyright term of "forever less one day".

Proponents of the Bono Act argue that it is necessary given that life expectancy has risen dramatically since Congress passed the original Copyright Act of 1790, that a difference in copyright terms between the United States and Europe would negatively affect the international operations of the entertainment industry, and that some works would be created under perpetual copyright that would never be created under time-limited copyright. They also claim that Congress has the power to pass whatever copyright term it wants because the language "To promote the progress of science and useful arts" in the United States Constitution is not a substantive limitation on the powers of Congress, leaving only the restriction that copyrights may only be for a "limited time". Given this interpretation, a million years would still be a valid "limited time" under the letter of the Constitution.

Opponents of the Bono Act consider the legislation to be little more than corporate welfare and have tried (and failed) to challenge its constitutionality, claiming that such an act is not "necessary and proper" to achieve the purpose of "promot[ing] the progress of science and useful arts". They argue that most works bring most of the profits during the first few years and are pushed off the market by the publishers afterwards. Thus there is little economic incentive to extend copyrights except for the few owners of wildly successful franchises, such as Disney. They also point out that the Tenth Amendment limits the powers that a treaty can grant to Congress. More directly, they see two successive extensions of approximately 20 years each (the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Bono Act) as the beginning of a "slippery slope" toward a perpetual copyright term that violates the spirit of the "for limited times" language of the United States Constitution, Article I, section 8, clause 8. They question the proponents' life expectancy argument, pointing out that the copyright term under the 1790 act lasted only twenty-eight years, that life expectancies have not risen threefold since 1790 (ignoring infant mortality, they have increased barely ten years), and that even though terms of patents have not been extended in parallel, patents adequately reward investment in the field with only a twenty-year term. It has been said that extending copyright terms to "harmonize" with those elsewhere can involve a "leapfrogging" effect (http://www.troutworks.com/Joycelog/joycelog.php?joycedate=20030115): two sides repeatedly extend their copyright terms to try and keep up with each other. Opponents also question the proponents' "works would not be created" argument by pointing out proponents' hidden assumption that the goal is to create all works, whereas the authors of the United States Constitution considered the goal "to promote the progress of science and useful arts." In fact, some works created under time-limited copyright would not be created under perpetual copyright because the creator of a distantly derivative work does not have the money to purchase a license from the owner of copyright in the original work, or the individual or privately held owner of copyright in the original work might refuse to license a use at any price (though a refusal to license may trigger a fair use safety valve). One can thus argue that a rich public domain is necessary for artistic creation.

For example, the works of Shakespeare and the Greek myths have been the basis for much of Neil Gaiman's writing, which might well not have been created if they were still under copyright. Recent works that have entered the popular culture, and for which copyright is arguably not appropriate, include the novels that created Frankenstein and Dracula, both originating in the 19th century. Most of the holy writings of major religions are also in the public domain, which allows them to be adapted. If the Roman Catholic Church had a perpetual copyright on the letters of Paul of Tarsus, it could have refused to license them for translation or for use by other churches. Many of Disney's most famous feature movies are themselves based on public domain works.

Publishers and librarians, among others, brought Eldred v. Ashcroft to obtain an injunction on enforcement of the act. Oral arguments were heard by the U.S. Supreme Court on October 9, 2002, and on January 15, 2003, the court held the CTEA constitutional by a 7-2 decision. The plaintiffs in the Eldred case have as of 2003 begun to shift their effort toward the U.S. Congress in support of a bill called the Public Domain Enhancement Act that would make the provisions of the Bono Act apply only to copyrights that had been registered with the Library of Congress.

Other groups practice civil disobedience by violating the act in public. However, these challenges have so far met with little success.

The act was named after the late Sonny Bono, who had lobbied for extending the duration of copyrights. It was passed shortly after his death.

President Bill Clinton signed the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 on October 21, 1998.



Thoughts:

Glen Larson managed to copywrite the Pegasus universe. Larson was looking to make an IMAX Pegasus movie.

BG is also unique because it started off as a movie. It was marketed in Canada before being shown in the United States. Larson purchased the MOVIE rights from Universal for a HUGE sum of money, ie we have hope of a big screen movie someday.

[Antelope]

I would support an anime continuation but I am under no illusion who the target audience would be: much younger fans since it would have to run late at night on the Cartoon Network just like other teenager/young adult anime shows. The main characters would have to be younger than even our heroes in the 1979 show were at the time. It would end up somewhere between Galactica as we know it and something more like Robotech, Star Blazers, or Gundam Seed.

To a large extent the original Star Blazers already has many of the elements of an animated Battlestar Galactica. In a thread a long time ago we even wrote about many of the similarities between Star Blazers and Battlestar Galactica. To some extent Battlestar Galactica could be called a live action anime. You don't even need to change the big hair, watch Yu-Gi-O lately?

Watching the new Justice League Unlimited however gives me hope that with the proper production crew and writers a potential Battlestar anime would be adult and well made.

[Krystal]

The one thing that worries me though is the fact that if too much is invested in making an animated continuation, then that may be ALL we get... with it pushing the chances for a live action movie down even further than it's been pushed.
I worried about that too, I have to admit that the choice of an BG animated doesn't appeal to me personally. I prefer to see a continuation movie. So, can we get the three: animated series, continuation movie and continuation series? Of course that thinking in the long run, a very long run I suppose. Sorry, I feel greedy. :confused:

Krystal:rose:

[gmd3d]

Thanks for the info Kingfish and repcisg, ha ha :rotf: :rotf:
I was wondering what U2's Bono ha ha :rotf: :rotf: had to do with Galactica, but of course I have heard that Sonny Bono became a major player in congress before he died. but not his laws. I just did not make the connection to Sonny

god would my face be red :LOL: if i had persued that line , to quote homer
"D'OH!!!!"

[cobrastrikelead]

CGI is definitely getting to where a film done in that manner could be well made. But a continuation theatrical movie would be great to have too.

[Mustex]

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. If DeSanto did something like "Van Helsing: The London Assignment" that went straight to video (hopefully to promote the movie), whose rights would he have to get?

[shiningstar]

Tom -

You know how I love anime....! I would love a high quality anime-type BSG film (or series), just as long as it didn't mess with the concepts, visually or story-wise, to suit the OAV style of anime.

Just seeing something that looks like what we want and seeing familiar faces (anime-wise) along with the familiar voices would be rather exciting!

Best,
Bryan

I agree and it would save a lot of money also.

[repcisg]

First he would ne NBC's permision to do "a" Battlestar project. Then if it is a feature film, even if it goes dirctly to DVD, he will need Larson's.

[thomas7g]

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question. If DeSanto did something like "Van Helsing: The London Assignment" that went straight to video (hopefully to promote the movie), whose rights would he have to get?

Basically the rights for Battlestar Galactica belong largely to Universal whose parent company is now NBC. Though I'm sure you would also run into some legal problems if somehow Glen Larson (who created the show) wasn't compensated.

Btw- I don't think a direct to video project would be financially viable. The cost to produce would be too high.

And it doesn't really make alot of sense to go straight to video. Once you got it produced, it doesn't cost much to air it. You just have to earn as much money for the network from sponsers as the show you are bumping to air it.
:duck:

[CommanderTaggart]

Adult-oriented animation isn't out of the question. Again, perhaps DeSanto is looking at this as a way to make TOS fresh again, with a much smaller investment than a feature would demand. Use the animated series to generate excitement about TOS, and build the market to the point where a feature is inevitable.

I mean, that's only a guess as to what DeSanto might be thinking... but, it's not illogical. Captain.

[shiningstar]

Adult-oriented animation isn't out of the question. Again, perhaps DeSanto is looking at this as a way to make TOS fresh again, with a much smaller investment than a feature would demand. Use the animated series to generate excitement about TOS, and build the market to the point where a feature is inevitable.

I mean, that's only a guess as to what DeSanto might be thinking... but, it's not illogical. Captain. I agree

[Mustex]

Basically the rights for Battlestar Galactica belong largely to Universal whose parent company is now NBC. Though I'm sure you would also run into some legal problems if somehow Glen Larson (who created the show) wasn't compensated.

Btw- I don't think a direct to video project would be financially viable. The cost to produce would be too high.

And it doesn't really make alot of sense to go straight to video. Once you got it produced, it doesn't cost much to air it. You just have to earn as much money for the network from sponsers as the show you are bumping to air it.
:duck:

I'm not saying don't EVER air it. They eventually aired the "Animatrix".

[Megoman]

I would watch an animated Galactica production if done in either CGI(Roughnecks & Final Fantasy) style or something similar to a certain female character that is seen on the homepage of this site. Just as long as the plotlines are well written and not too "kiddie". The Clone Wars on the cartoon network was well written and the voiceover people did a great job, but I didn't care for the animation style used. If NBC/Universal were to go along with this who do you think would be good choices to do the voices of Adama, Baltar, Athena, Cain, & Boxey(if this were set right after the events in Hand Of God)?

Possible voices:
Adama(Stephen Collins)
Baltar(Ronny Cox)
Athena(the woman who portryed her in The Second Coming Trailer)
Boxey(???)
Cain(Denis Leary)
Lucifer(Anthony Stewart Head)

Of course, the budget may not allow for some of these folks. Just my $0.02 worth.

[martok2112]

I would watch an animated Galactica production if done in either CGI(Roughnecks & Final Fantasy) style or something similar to a certain female character that is seen on the homepage of this site. Just as long as the plotlines are well written and not too "kiddie". The Clone Wars on the cartoon network was well written and the voiceover people did a great job, but I didn't care for the animation style used. If NBC/Universal were to go along with this who do you think would be good choices to do the voices of Adama, Baltar, Athena, Cain, & Boxey(if this were set right after the events in Hand Of God)?

Possible voices:
Adama(Stephen Collins)
Baltar(Ronny Cox)
Athena(the woman who portryed her in The Second Coming Trailer)
Boxey(???)
Cain(Denis Leary)
Lucifer(Anthony Stewart Head)

Of course, the budget may not allow for some of these folks. Just my $0.02 worth.


Some good ideas there, Megoman.

I think perhaps Alyson Court (Jubiliee from the old Fox Xmen/ABC Beetlejuice cartoons) might be a good idea for Cassie or even Sheba.


:D

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[warhammerdriver]

If something fan-based or fan-produced were to be done, we would definintely have to come up with a mission statement of sorts, probably along these lines:

"These works are made by the fans of Battlestar Galactica for the enjoyment of their fellow fans. Any monies generated in excess of production costs are to be donated to (insert favorite charity here)."

That's basically what the people at 5yearmission.com (a fan generated online ST series) have done. Paramount has reviewed their work and said basically that if they don't make any money from it, we don't mind. I head a rumor that Paramount is very interested in what they're doing from a possible future ST TV series standpoint.

[repcisg]

warhammerdriver brings up a good point, what to do if NBC choses to use what we produce. We should have an agreement in place defining how much each person gets.

I would suggest at this point that every one who contributes, no matter how much or how little, gets an equal share. Because at this point in time it is impossable to to say how much or how little each persons contribution will be and without such an agreement NBC wil never talk to us.

[martok2112]

warhammerdriver brings up a good point, what to do if NBC choses to use what we produce. We should have an agreement in place defining how much each person gets.

I would suggest at this point that every one who contributes, no matter how much or how little, gets an equal share. Because at this point in time it is impossable to to say how much or how little each persons contribution will be and without such an agreement NBC wil never talk to us.


Equal cut is fine with me...because for the cause of resurrecting our beloved classic...even in animated form, everyone's job would be EQUALLY important. :D

Martok2112

[BST]

warhammerdriver brings up a good point, what to do if NBC choses to use what we produce. We should have an agreement in place defining how much each person gets.

I would suggest at this point that every one who contributes, no matter how much or how little, gets an equal share. Because at this point in time it is impossable to to say how much or how little each persons contribution will be and without such an agreement NBC wil never talk to us.

Rep,

So, in other words, develop a formal partnership agreement? If so, I agree. If this goes so far, as to catch the eye of a network, they won't be wanting to deal with a group of mysterious internet posters, they'll want real people and real names, preferably a "production company" of sorts, with a defined structure.

A suggestion might be to survey for interest then, break into workgroups, to separately concentrate on defined areas such as how the overall group would be established (non-profit / for profit) and what the mission would be. Also, the nuts and bolts issues of the "production" in terms of resources needed (like you mentioned in an earlier post (November 11th, 2004 12:00 PM) ) - artists, "voices", materials, medium (for showing the finished product), compensation.

These are just some rough ideas, off the top of my head. Anyone, feel free to add to the list.

BST

Dang, I like this kind of forward thinking! :thumbsup:

[martok2112]

Welll....I have to say I rather like the sound of the name Colonial Fleets Production Company :D


And yes, Forward thinking is a very good thing :D

Martok2112

[shiningstar]

warhammerdriver brings up a good point, what to do if NBC choses to use what we produce. We should have an agreement in place defining how much each person gets.

I would suggest at this point that every one who contributes, no matter how much or how little, gets an equal share. Because at this point in time it is impossable to to say how much or how little each persons contribution will be and without such an agreement NBC wil never talk to us.
I agree

[Mustex]

"These works are made by the fans of Battlestar Galactica for the enjoyment of their fellow fans. Any monies generated in excess of production costs are to be donated to Reform Party USA."


HAIL PEROT!

[repcisg]

Let me share a few thoughts if I may. We have here a highly talented group of individuals, which if brought together are capable of producing some extraordinary stories, graphics and possibly even films. But beyond basic talent, this group also is highly adept in the use of technology; which places us in a unique position, at a unique moment in time.

Communication companies are working over time to wire the world, not just the US, but the world with high speed communications. This is intended as a delivery system for a broad variety of entertainment, not the least of which is video. This gives us an independent distribution system.

With the talent on this board, mixed with discipline and cooperation we should be able to produce a very high quality animated continuation video of TOS. This will for many, satisfy the burning desire to ‘Know what happened’ after the Hand of God. But beyond that, taking what we will learn, we could go to the next step and begin producing original material.

I’ve spent only a short amount of time stripping TOS for several of my stories and rebuilding them, this has proven to be a fairly simple task, infact much easier than I had expected. The story of a mass exodus by a people following a military defeat is quite common throughout history, and cannot be copyrighted.

To give you an example, from my own work. In the Journal of Jal, I recently launched the Emerald Fleet, they will settle the world named Emerald. Following them the Crimson fleet will launch to colonize the world later to be named Andraman. In turn these two worlds will establish new human civilizations ultimately to find them selves in the path of the Tridon Alliance (Trillon Alliance to the Andramans). Emiral and Andraman will stand firm in the face of this advance, completely unaware of the others existence as a major human civilization. Then Andraman will fall. And the exodus will begin.

From Andraman’s fall I have identified six possible stories, The Right Wing, Agrippa’s Run, Damocles, DesRon, Sparta, and The Tigers of Canopus. Based on the foundation laid by Jal’s Journal and it’s companion, Ice Age End, all five stories are original. Now add to this the Earth based stories in the same universe of the ETLF War and EDF and there is just no way anyone could say my work is derived from anything other than myself.

All of the above was fairly easy to do, it just took a little thought.

Considering the vast number of stories written by this group we should have no shortage of marital to work with.

The key to our success will be our pulling together with commitment and personal discipline on the part of all who participate.

Just a few of my thoughts at this point.

[repcisg]

Well trashed nother thread!

[Gemini1999]

Well trashed nother thread!

Repcisg -

What do you mean trashed? I didn't see anything that looked like trash...

Or, are you referring to the lack of responses? Don't let it get to you, I get the impression that most people ignore what I post all the time.... :D

Later,
Bryan

[repcisg]

Oh good, there is life after all :D

[Gemini1999]

Oh good, there is life after all :D

Oh, I see....

You were just "fishing" for compliments and/or comments.

A watched pot never boils!

[martok2112]

Well,
(repcisg, I apologize that i have not responded yet to your last posting) Been busy with some other mod duties ...and listening to people sing bad songs very badly. :D

I think he has the right idea as far as the drive for such an undertaking. It is something I would be willing to do as well....in fact, I've been trying to fire up the old noggin's imagination factory for some possible stories.

Right now, my only problem is that I vaguely remember a lot of the Hand of God as it ihas been quite some time since I have seen just about any Classic Galactica episode. I want to get the box set asap so that I get myself more familiar with that aspect / time of the series.

When I wrote my fanfic, I wrote it pretty much after having only seen the DVD of SASW (theatrical release) again. I had not seen any BSG eps since several years before, only using some online sources to help me keep my story straight.

I was a lot more comfortable with writing that story, as opposed to writing something much much closer in time to Hand of God.

Gimme some time, repcisg, to see a few ideas...I think this would (at the very least) be another good creative exercise for everyone.

Compliments? Comments? (swift kicks in the astrums?) Anybody? :D

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[repcisg]

Thanks Martok2112,

We went through an exercise like this a couple of years back, I think we were still part of 3dGladiators at the time. I found a good place to start would be to think about what it would be like living in the fleet. What would I need to do to improve conditions. What would I want?

Looking forward to seeing what you com up with.
Repcisg

[KJ]

Would You Like Galactica Animated?

Only if there was a continuation up and running and several spin off stories were told in between the animated version of short tales and the live action version. Same way The Animatrix worked for the Matrix Reloaded, Chronicles Of Riddick had 'Dark Fury' The Clone Wars cartoon series, telling stories of the legendary Clone Wars inbetween Episodes 2 and 3. And Van Helsing's prequel told in animation.

A direct sequel from the 1978 show in animation i can't fathom would work, i'd see it as folly unless it ran along side a live action production that was hyped up like a blockbuster movie. And what stylised version of animation are we talking about? Has anyone thought of a good American or Japanese animation studio house that would develop several episodes or one, one off special. Re-introducing Battlestar Galactica?

Don't get me wrong, i'm a huge animation fan. In a animated world only thing holding anything back is the imagination of the creators. Skies the limit as they say. A well thought out prequel or sequel to the original series or even stories set inbetween the original show fleshing out several unfinished plot elements like for example; A prequel showing events during the holocaust. Dr Ravishol and his clones, stories involving Colonel Croft in the fleet, continuing the story of Pappas and his mother from The Lost Warrior, Stories showing The Battlestar Pegasus and Commander Cain covering events after Living Legend of what happened? or the Planet Terra trilogy with Commandant Leiter and the escaped Borellians, it would be great to see all this in a animated continuation as such.

But i wouldn't stand for a poorly animated series nor a rushed one to boot. If it were a set of specials like 6 short movies, maybe. but i'd like the live action movie/series continuation to back it up first.

Perhaps a set of live action shorts is needed also. Done with the passion fans of Galactica would do them with but, supported with a major budget and starring actors. Better yet if your doing animation still, hire major hollywood talent to do your voice overs not your average voice over artists.

Although, people like Mark Hamill, Hank Azaria, Phil LaMarr and other notable actors/ voice over artists would greatly benefit a animation production of any kind.

Great thread people, keep the ideas and banter up!

KJ

:cool:

[bsg1fan1975]

this would be a plausible idea if it were done right. I wouldn't mind watching it. My opinion is to get as many of the original actors to do the voices of the characters as they could.

[BS Cerberus]

Greetings, I am fairly new here, but I have some things that should be pondered.

I am new to your forum, however, I am not new to being a part of such projects. There are many pitfalls and easy mistakes that lead to disaster. I tell you this, not because I think it will fail, but rather as something that needs to be kept in the back of your mind.

Many times, people with the best intentions get caught up in the minutia, and fail to see what’s important. This can be disastrous.

I am no stranger to writing, and creating both original and continuations of stories/genres.

The most important thing I have learned over the years, is that while these sorts of projects require a great many people to support it, ultimately you require a small group (less than 5) or an individual with the vision and perseverance to guide such a project to the end.

I have already spoken with other members about this project, and I think it has great potential. I have indicated I would like to be a part of this project, and in doing so, lend some of my experience and organization skills to it.

In that spirit, The first thing that must be done is to create an organization and responsibilities document. This would outline the areas of the project (IE animation, story, art, directing, editing, proofing, legal, ECT...). To go with this, the document needs to name people who will be responsible for those departments and tasks. The guiding group will have to make the decisions of what they want to see happen, then hand those things off to the area that best fits what needs done.

This has great potential, and I would hate to see it fumbled, not from lack of desire, but by lack of experience and knowledge. I see a great group of motivated people here, so I have little doubt it can be done.

So who is going to take the lead?

[shiningstar]

Greetings, I am fairly new here, but I have some things that should be pondered.

I am new to your forum, however, I am not new to being a part of such projects. There are many pitfalls and easy mistakes that lead to disaster. I tell you this, not because I think it will fail, but rather as something that needs to be kept in the back of your mind.

Many times, people with the best intentions get caught up in the minutia, and fail to see what’s important. This can be disastrous.

I am no stranger to writing, and creating both original and continuations of stories/genres.

The most important thing I have learned over the years, is that while these sorts of projects require a great many people to support it, ultimately you require a small group (less than 5) or an individual with the vision and perseverance to guide such a project to the end.

I have already spoken with other members about this project, and I think it has great potential. I have indicated I would like to be a part of this project, and in doing so, lend some of my experience and organization skills to it.

In that spirit, The first thing that must be done is to create an organization and responsibilities document. This would outline the areas of the project (IE animation, story, art, directing, editing, proofing, legal, ECT...). To go with this, the document needs to name people who will be responsible for those departments and tasks. The guiding group will have to make the decisions of what they want to see happen, then hand those things off to the area that best fits what needs done.

This has great potential, and I would hate to see it fumbled, not from lack of desire, but by lack of experience and knowledge. I see a great group of motivated people here, so I have little doubt it can be done.

So who is going to take the lead? Welcome to the fleets! :D

[martok2112]

Thanks Martok2112,

We went through an exercise like this a couple of years back, I think we were still part of 3dGladiators at the time. I found a good place to start would be to think about what it would be like living in the fleet. What would I need to do to improve conditions. What would I want?

Looking forward to seeing what you com up with.
Repcisg

exacyly what I was thinking, rep. :)

Glad we are on the same page. :D

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[martok2112]

Would You Like Galactica Animated?

Only if there was a continuation up and running and several spin off stories were told in between the animated version of short tales and the live action version. Same way The Animatrix worked for the Matrix Reloaded, Chronicles Of Riddick had 'Dark Fury' The Clone Wars cartoon series, telling stories of the legendary Clone Wars inbetween Episodes 2 and 3. And Van Helsing's prequel told in animation.

A direct sequel from the 1978 show in animation i can't fathom would work, i'd see it as folly unless it ran along side a live action production that was hyped up like a blockbuster movie. And what stylised version of animation are we talking about? Has anyone thought of a good American or Japanese animation studio house that would develop several episodes or one, one off special. Re-introducing Battlestar Galactica?

Don't get me wrong, i'm a huge animation fan. In a animated world only thing holding anything back is the imagination of the creators. Skies the limit as they say. A well thought out prequel or sequel to the original series or even stories set inbetween the original show fleshing out several unfinished plot elements like for example; A prequel showing events during the holocaust. Dr Ravishol and his clones, stories involving Colonel Croft in the fleet, continuing the story of Pappas and his mother from The Lost Warrior, Stories showing The Battlestar Pegasus and Commander Cain covering events after Living Legend of what happened? or the Planet Terra trilogy with Commandant Leiter and the escaped Borellians, it would be great to see all this in a animated continuation as such.

But i wouldn't stand for a poorly animated series nor a rushed one to boot. If it were a set of specials like 6 short movies, maybe. but i'd like the live action movie/series continuation to back it up first.

Perhaps a set of live action shorts is needed also. Done with the passion fans of Galactica would do them with but, supported with a major budget and starring actors. Better yet if your doing animation still, hire major hollywood talent to do your voice overs not your average voice over artists.

Although, people like Mark Hamill, Hank Azaria, Phil LaMarr and other notable actors/ voice over artists would greatly benefit a animation production of any kind.

Great thread people, keep the ideas and banter up!

KJ

:cool:



I like the idea of short films (in either live action or animated form, IMHO) With short films, we can dedicate more time to less content, and crank out quality (or near quality) stuff without worrying about half hour episodes. (Like Clone Wars , but with animation that has more gravitas towards something Galactica deserves.....like the Batman/Superman style animation...or, perhaps, again, in the style that Thomas7g established for the lovely Athena.) :)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[repcisg]

Ok I think we need to work at two levels,

level one – story concepts

Level two – the business end of things, organization and production

Story Concepts

The Fleet has for the time being escaped from the Cylons. What do they need?
Fuel, food, improved living quarters; many ships are old and will need repairs. Some ships are slower than others, can they be modified to increase their speed, the fleet can move only as fast as the slowest ship.

How would you increase food production?

What would happen lets say if a ship carrying a large segment of the population has engine failure? What would you do?

Just for starters.

[KJ]

Long as it has some quality animation like the stuff seen in The Animatrix yeah i'd go for it but i'd still be cautious about how i went about it all. The idea an small animated feature should tie into the TOS is an interesting one to deabte.

Here is a bit of news far as animated movies being in tow with their big screen equivalents. Like the Animatrix and other 2D feature tying events to each other, like the Van Helsing prequel, Dark Fury, Clone Wars. Blade has now jumped on the bandwagon, as a new animation feature will be available on the movie soundtrack CD with tracks from the Rza.

"Blade: Blood Thirsty"

Just to let you all know.

Getting back on track however, yes it is indeed interesting to see what would come about should the funds be raised to make a feature to run along side a TOS spin off or continuation and to tell as many stories within that timeframe.

KJ

[martok2112]

Everyone is bringing up good points. This is the kind of thinking I LIKE! :D

Repcisg, BSCerberus, and anyone else that has story ideas...I would love to get some brainstorming going on. The fuel, food, spaceworthiness of ships, and several other ideas rarely covered in season one are great ideas to start with.

My email is martok2112@yahoo.com my Yahoo Instant Messenger is genchang2112 My MSN Messenger is genchang2112@yahoo.com

Ideas are where all good things begin. :)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[bsg1fan1975]

Again my opinion is i wouldn't mind as long as it was done right and not made to look like something out of a freak show!

[Archangel]

There is also the 'Tales From The Fleet' anthology concept. Where you could tell stories of the refugees...

Good idea? Bad? Only your psychiatrist knows for sure. :D

[Gemini1999]

There is also the 'Tales From The Fleet' anthology concept. Where you could tell stories of the refugees.

Archangel -

I like that idea - there could be some good material from that....!

Best,
Bryan

[repcisg]

The quality now possable with CGI should make it possable to do some very high quality work. We can leave the cartoons to Disney.

[thomas7g]

Ah.... but there is the differance. Disney does CARTOONS.

I'm assuming you, like many many people, see cartoons as for kids. But oh contraire!

Real anime does not fit the cartoon label. In japan, they have a weaker live action film industry. Blame that on literally less box office seats available in japan's smaller population. Smaller population, less box office tickets sold, less revenue, lower film profits. Less money to make feature films.

That's why anime is so varied. It replaces traditional live action films.

Take anime films like Perfect Blue. Its about a woman that is stalked, hunted, and raped. That's not exactly a Disney cartoon.

:D

You would probably love anime. Just weed out the "cartoon anime" first.
:D

[gmd3d]

The first anime i ever saw Akira, well lets just say that i could not believe what they did it was a real eye opener. :)

[martok2112]

The first anime i ever saw Akira, well lets just say that i could not believe what they did it was a real eye opener. :)


It was an eye opener alright. :)

But the story seemed a tad convoluted to me. :D

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[thomas7g]

The comic book version was much better. Originally it was this huuuuuge manga story. I think I might still have it. All the volumes made a pretty hefty stack!

Oh and one thing that was lost in the anime...you could tell the boy from the girl alot easier when they were both wearing orange jump suits. The anime simplified both characters to the point where the faces were too close.

:D

[gmd3d]

Originally Posted by martok2112:
But the story seemed a tad convoluted to me

after looking up "convoluted" in my Thesauras, yes I argree :D :LOL:

[KJ]

Ah.... but there is the differance. Disney does CARTOONS.

I'm assuming you, like many many people, see cartoons as for kids. But oh contraire!

Real anime does not fit the cartoon label. In japan, they have a weaker live action film industry. Blame that on literally less box office seats available in japan's smaller population. Smaller population, less box office tickets sold, less revenue, lower film profits. Less money to make feature films.

That's why anime is so varied. It replaces traditional live action films.

Take anime films like Perfect Blue. Its about a woman that is stalked, hunted, and raped. That's not exactly a Disney cartoon.



You would probably love anime. Just weed out the "cartoon anime" first.



Which is why many anime is bastardizised and messed up when U.S. stations and networks buy'em up.

Battle of the Planets was one of the first casualties of changes made to original Japanese Animes. Some Animes benefit from changes, some do not. Even Speed Racer, Astroboy have cuts. Robotech is made up of Macross, Southern Cross and a little known Anime called Galaxy Climber Mospeda. Dragonball, DB:Z and DB:GT are all toned down. I don't know where to begin with Gundam but its huge. "Cut's" it looks like will always be apert of western culture cos certain things from other places just don't mix well in other societies. Even though many Anime movies and series are plagued with stupid cuts! Made by sensitive westerners.



Quote:
Originally Posted by potemkin
The first anime i ever saw Akira, well lets just say that i could not believe what they did it was a real eye opener.




It was an eye opener alright.

But the story seemed a tad convoluted to me.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Thats cos we need to get the huge volumes of 'Akira'. While the Anime was great, the Manga gives you the full uncut vision of Akira.

KJ

:)

[martok2112]

Kingjason is right.

It's culture clashing that causes a lot of anime to get cut up, or changed somehow over here in the states.

I hate to bring up kiddie anime, but I found this to be the perfect example:

In Japan, Pokemon has different character traits for James of Team Rocket. In Japan, the character of James is a cross-dresser by habit. That would not fly apparently over here in the US on broadcast television at least.

Just a small example of how cultures often dictate what gets broadcast, changed, cut up, rearranged, mangled, dangled, diced, sliced, drawn and quartered, burned at the stake, hung until dead, and beheaded. (gassssppp wheeeezzee!)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

KJ, I will try to check out the manga of Akira when I can. :) Thanks for the headsup.

[gmd3d]

Lord Kingjason

Battle of the Planets was one of the first casualties of changes made to original Japanese Animes. Some Animes benefit from changes, some do not. Even Speed Racer, Astroboy have cuts. Robotech is made up of Macross, Southern Cross and a little known Anime called Galaxy Climber Mospeda. Dragonball, DB:Z and DB:GT are all toned down. I don't know where to begin with Gundam but its huge. "Cut's" it looks like will always be apert of western culture cos certain things from other places just don't mix well in other societies. Even though many Anime movies and series are plagued with stupid cuts! Made by sensitive westerners.

Yes I got the Battle of the Planets box set and It has been cut to bits, anyone hurt or killed is nicely explaned away by 7-zark-7 (or the R2D2 want to be).

But I also think that if any animation undertaken by members of CF would keep the style of the original series and that is not that graghic or Violent in any way.
ok the "Murder on the rising star" is the only one that I can remember someone being knocked off.

David Moss can and does produce some great stuff alone and just for fun surly
a group of us and develop something and keep it watchable??

just a few thoughts :)

[repcisg]

I didn’t mean to include anime in with cartoons. I noticed that many here were reacting to the term “animation” to mean cartoon like. CGI is not CARTOONS, we see so much of it in regular programming today.

What I was trying to suggest is with a pure CGI effort we can do for ourselves what the studios will not do. Richard has proven, a quality production can be done on a shoe string budget.

There is of course some risk involved, by pushing the boundaries of CGI film making, we run the risk of actually succeeding.

[gmd3d]

perhaps we should list the thing that we like as hobbie or our jobs to see what the person and can help with / would like to do.

Like I have Started learning Truespace which can do CGI as far as i know and I am also getting my hands on 3d studo MAX (I hope in the new year).

perhaps be involved in design, story idea etc , I don now how good I am or will be, but I would like to play a part, but as I said I have yet a lot to learn about
CGI :)

[repcisg]

I know I’m pushing this project thing a bit but I have grown tired of waiting for some else to do what they say they want to do. Glen has been talking about doing a movie for 15 years or more, Tom DeSanto started to do one, but had it fall apart. Now every time I hear about Tom, he has a new project or more new projects and Battlestar Galactica has been push further back. This just tells me he has little or no control and is not going to able to do anything in the foreseeable future.

I think it is time for the fans to make a move. CFF demonstrated the fans can work together to make things happen, the Sacpers did it and got a great ending for their show. So why can’t we?

I know we have the talent, just look around. We have the desire, we’re here aren’t we? But do we have the will? Are we just all just talk?

Now I’m going to put my neck on the line here. I want to see some action. I’ll start as the center of contact, project manager if you like. I do this professionally so why not here.

If you are really interested in working on a project then contact me, give a brief bio on your background and any ideas you may have. There are no dumb ideas or bad ideas. And no one here is without talent, so PM me or Email me repcisg@earthlink.net.

I want to see my mailbox full of volunteers!

Martok, Potemkin, you two are on my list!

[martok2112]

Rep....let's get ta steppin with some story ideas then. :D I will email you very soon. I am still working on my teaser for Dark Exodus...which won't be too much longer. :)

Respectfully,
Steve (Martok2112)

[repcisg]

:thumbsup:

[BS Cerberus]

You will see some mail from me very soon too!

:salute:

[Archangel]

Same here, rep! :D

[bsg1fan1975]

There is also the 'Tales From The Fleet' anthology concept. Where you could tell stories of the refugees...

Good idea? Bad? Only your psychiatrist knows for sure. :D
sounds like a winner!:D

[Mustex]

BTW, one thing I noticed here was alot of people kept making a point that any continuation of TOS would have to have "adult" stories. After G80 I can understand this concern, but what defines an "adult" story. Would that mean you'd want Starbuck to have a four-way with Athena, Sheba, and Cassie?

While I wouldn't define TOS as "kiddie", I wouldn't define it totally as "adult" either. I'd compare it to things like "Star Wars", and "Harry Potter", that appeal most to children, but aren't so childish that adults can't enjoy them. No offence but the moment you take TOS too seriously, is the moment it dies. But keep the right balance of seriousness and escapism, and you've got a winner.

[Dawg]

BTW, one thing I noticed here was alot of people kept making a point that any continuation of TOS would have to have "adult" stories. After G80 I can understand this concern, but what defines an "adult" story. Would that mean you'd want Starbuck to have a four-way with Athena, Sheba, and Cassie?

While I wouldn't define TOS as "kiddie", I wouldn't define it totally as "adult" either. I'd compare it to things like "Star Wars", and "Harry Potter", that appeal most to children, but aren't so childish that adults can't enjoy them. No offence but the moment you take TOS too seriously, is the moment it dies. But keep the right balance of seriousness and escapism, and you've got a winner.

I don't think anybody means that kind of "adult", Mustex... :blink: :blush:

:LOL:

I think the last sentence of your post says it best. :thumbsup:

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[repcisg]

<<But keep the right balance of seriousness and escapism, and you've got a winner.>>

Exactly!

[thomas7g]

hey Rep, I'm understanding your view a little bit more. Thank you. But I'm wondering what kind of character design are you thinking is reasnable?

Is the obvious cg designs of videogames too cartoony? The Final Fantasy Movie had some hyper realistic moments, but was a little stiff overall due to budget/time problems.

Personally I love the Final Fantasy game look.:D

[martok2112]

BTW, one thing I noticed here was alot of people kept making a point that any continuation of TOS would have to have "adult" stories. After G80 I can understand this concern, but what defines an "adult" story. Would that mean you'd want Starbuck to have a four-way with Athena, Sheba, and Cassie?

While I wouldn't define TOS as "kiddie", I wouldn't define it totally as "adult" either. I'd compare it to things like "Star Wars", and "Harry Potter", that appeal most to children, but aren't so childish that adults can't enjoy them. No offence but the moment you take TOS too seriously, is the moment it dies. But keep the right balance of seriousness and escapism, and you've got a winner.


Indeed. very well stated, Mustex.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[thomas7g]

yup. That was good.

THough I wouldn't want to see a four-way. And as most would point out, Sheba had a thing for the other guy. There were a few other girls who liked Starbuck though in various episodes.

:D

[BST]

BTW, one thing I noticed here was alot of people kept making a point that any continuation of TOS would have to have "adult" stories. After G80 I can understand this concern, but what defines an "adult" story. Would that mean you'd want Starbuck to have a four-way with Athena, Sheba, and Cassie?

A possible turn-off, for some folks, may have been Boxey and Muffit. Personally, I think that both would work very well in a show, given the right type of storyline. Sometimes, children are the educators. They see things in a different way than adults and some times with much more clarity.

While I wouldn't define TOS as "kiddie", I wouldn't define it totally as "adult" either. I'd compare it to things like "Star Wars", and "Harry Potter", that appeal most to children, but aren't so childish that adults can't enjoy them. No offence but the moment you take TOS too seriously, is the moment it dies. But keep the right balance of seriousness and escapism, and you've got a winner.

I couldn't agree more. I'd include the Lord of the Rings trilogy in that group, as well.

Good words, Mustex. :thumbsup:

BST :)

[thomas7g]

I think Boxey provided some great scenes with Adama and Apollo. And when Boxey was worried and everyone looked after him.

But Muffit or Boxey saving the day was annoying the same way Wesley Crusher was annoying.

That said, I would have enjoyed this scene:

DANGER TIME!!!!

Starbuck and Apollo are dismantling a bomb aboard the Galactica. The fate of all of humanity rests on them! If the bomb goes off, there goes the ship, and the last hope to save all of humanity from the cylons!

With nervous shaking hands they take the bomb apart, piece by piece. Until they are left with a critical choice of two identical wires. But they don't know which to cut!!!! Time is running out!!!

10

9

8

7

6


5

4

In walks Boxey and Muffit. Not realizing what was at stake, but hearing just enough, Boxey grabs a spare cutter and snips a wire for them.

Boxey and Muffit go off to play. Apollo and Starbuck have a Coronary, or a good laugh!

[martok2112]

I think Boxey provided some great scenes with Adama and Apollo. And when Boxey was worried and everyone looked after him.

But Muffit or Boxey saving the day was annoying the same way Wesley Crusher was annoying.

That said, I would have enjoyed this scene:
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

[repcisg]

Tom,

I’m not married to a particular style of character, this isn’t just for me. I have noticed many do like the warrior girl on our home page. I know it took a fair amount of work to do but that on one possible starting place.

Anime is another, most Americans have seen the kiddy versions of anime and may be turned off by it. But then King of the Hill and the Simpson’s are considered adult fair, so go figure.

I think will need to experiment a little to find a style that fits best. So perhaps you and Warrior and some of our other artist can put on your thinking caps demo a few different styles. I’m not looking for anything elaborate, just samples.

Rep

[repcisg]

Something I would like you all to consider and comment on - what time frame are you interested in?

Just after the last episode.

10 years later.

20 years later?

A whole new generation?

[martok2112]

Well, if we wanted to hire voice actors for Adama and Baltar, we could have it take place right after Hand of God.

We could creatively find ways to bring people who are new to Classic Galactica up to speed on past events in the story ( Flashbacks, Adama Journals, etc,) without having to say "You must see the entire Classic series in order to know where we're going." Somehow, we have to manage to keep it fresh, while still drawing on necessary continuity occasionally.

Ideally, a new viewer should not have to have seen much of the classic live action show to grasp the new storyline. (However, when they do watch the classic episodes, the animated episodes will click for them even more.) The logic they deduce between the live show and the animated stories should come seamlessly, but not require them to go: "Wait, I don't understand this....do I have to watch the classic eps for the sake of understanding this episode?"

But. the idea IS to get them to appreciate the classic show. The animated eps may intrigue them to watch the classic shows. Awareness of the original series through an animated series helps to heighten further awareness for the larger, big screen, live -action continuation effort.

Ideally, I think right after the Hand of God is good.

On the other hand, if we do a series that is 10 yahrens down the road for the fleet, we can introduce a new generation of characters, while characters like Apollo, Starbuck, Boomer, and such have attained the upper echelons of command on the Galactica.

My God, this has soooo many possibilities.

I think Thomas' Warrior Girl sets a great inspiration for the look. :thumbsup:

Respectfully, and AFU (all fired up)
Martok2112

[gmd3d]

One of the things I think we should tackle is a good Baltar back story , How the Cylons made contact / tricked / manipulated him into betraying the human race.
And even after the colonies fell he remains in their service.
Was he brain washed.
Was he implanted with some device. (Although this is been used in the new show
I like the Idea)
or is he just a head banger with delusions. ???
whatever it is I think that it should be looked at as part of the story build up?

Ideally, I think right after the Hand of God is good.

On the other hand, if we do a series that is 10 yahrens down the road for the fleet, we can introduce a new generation of characters, while characters like Apollo, Starbuck, Boomer, and such have attained the upper echelons of command on the Galactica.

My God, this has soooo many possibilities.

ho yes at the moment I am reading your story Dark Exodus to see your style and I like what I have read so far Martok :thumbsup:

[Mustex]

hey Rep, I'm understanding your view a little bit more. Thank you. But I'm wondering what kind of character design are you thinking is reasnable?

Is the obvious cg designs of videogames too cartoony? The Final Fantasy Movie had some hyper realistic moments, but was a little stiff overall due to budget/time problems.

Personally I love the Final Fantasy game look.:D

Once again I feel I'm being overly repetitive, but have you ever seen "Zoids". While the show itself is entirely kiddy (including "Chaotic Century", which was better, but still annoyed me because they gave people great death scenes, and then brought them back shortly thereafter with little or no explanation), the animation style was perfect.

[Mustex]

A possible turn-off, for some folks, may have been Boxey and Muffit. Personally, I think that both would work very well in a show, given the right type of storyline. Sometimes, children are the educators. They see things in a different way than adults and some times with much more clarity.



I couldn't agree more. I'd include the Lord of the Rings trilogy in that group, as well.

Good words, Mustex. :thumbsup:

BST :)

Well if you mean the movies then yes, but if you mean the LOTR books I'd include them in the "GET THAT PIECE OF ANNOYING, OVERWRITTEN TRASH ONLY A COMPLETE BLOWHARD COULD COME UP WITH AWAY FROM ME!" category.

[Mustex]

Something I would like you all to consider and comment on - what time frame are you interested in?

Just after the last episode.

10 years later.

20 years later?

A whole new generation?

Technically 20 years is a generation.

[gmd3d]

martok2112 wrote:
I think Thomas' Warrior Girl sets a great inspiration for the look.

Yes the Warrior girl is a great look once the style is picked we can then develop
things further and build the rest around the characters.

perhaps if Thomas did some quick drawing showing samples of Apollo and Starbuck in the style as warrior girl and post them so that those of us who have some drawing skill can learn that style and applie it.
Its just a thought as many of us live in differant parts of the world and can't easly
communicate as persons face to face this is some thing that could cause problems
in , productivity the speed, the look,
perhaps a manual should be put together over the next few months that we can
design to make thing easer,

I was a fare penciler when I was younger.

what do you think

[martok2112]

Yes the Warrior girl is a great look once the style is picked we can then develop
things further and build the rest around the characters.

perhaps if Thomas did some quick drawing showing samples of Apollo and Starbuck in the style as warrior girl and post them so that those of us who have some drawing skill can learn that style and applie it.
Its just a thought as many of us live in differant parts of the world and can't easly
communicate as persons face to face this is some thing that could cause problems
in , productivity the speed, the look,
perhaps a manual should be put together over the next few months that we can
design to make thing easer,

I was a fare penciler when I was younger.

what do you think

I think a manual of sorts, and perhaps a writers' bible would be great steps in the right direction, Potemkin. Some great ideas there.

I think that perhaps if those of us who were interested in undertaking this thing wanted to conduct communications at a more real-time level, perhaps we could try and schedule meetings in the Fleets Chatroom. I think it would be a little more secure than trying to schedule meetings chat are conducted in Yahoo IM, AOL IM, or MSN IM.

Also, I am glad that you are enjoying Dark Exodus, Potemkin. Most flattering indeed.

And reading those kind words also sparks a sudden concern in me.


Now, to everyone interested, allow me to bring up another valid point of concern. Whatever storyline we choose to run with, we have to walk a very fine line if we wish the stories to be somewhat canonical...that is: true to the established past, and a possible continuation movie.

Keeping them in canon with the past is easy enough. It is the future that is difficult to see (Always in motion, as my boy Yoda would say.) If the animated Galactica stories are to be taken as more than just fanworks, then we have to be careful with a possible established future as depicted by Glen Larson and Tom DeSanto. (I would love to say that Dark Exodus is a good future for the story, but alas it is only a fanwork, and it would be SELFISH of me to ask that we use DE as the possible future. The only way that could work is if we had agreement on two things:

1. That everyone agrees to Dark Exodus (or whomever's fanfic we chose to adopt, given their permission) as a future story to work towards.
2. That everyone agrees that our material in the animated show is a "fanwork" only. If we are to seriously consider that our material is intended to be canonical and flexible enough to accomodate an "official" future under Glen Larson's and Tom DeSanto's auspices, then we have to focus to that end.

Therefore, I think we should work on the series as if Dark Exodus, and other fanfics, NEVER existed.

IMHO, if we were to take the series in the direction of one fanfic or another, there is the possibility of egos coming into play, and causing conflict. That is a very scary step, even for myself. :)

Or perhaps we can find ways to interject certain little elements from the best fanfics our writers have provided, to add the spice of varying ideals, without compromising the integrity of our overall product.

For example: We could use the chain of command as established in one person's story, relationships between certain characters in another story, how certain loose ends get tied up in yet another person's story. (Do you see where I'm going with this?)

Otherwise, we shall need to come up with a common ground for the ins and outs of the story we are going to come up with...thus, as Potemkin suggested, a manual of style, and a writers' bible.

Let's all remember that the Star Trek animated series from 1972-1973 was NOT considered canon by Paramount studios, or Gene Roddenberry. (except for one particular episode involving Spock going back to visit his younger self in the past).


Ultimately, regardless of how canonical or loosely we want to play with this animated story, the goal should be to raise awareness of the Classic series to a new generation of fans, and to raise awareness for a continuation movie. (That's how I see it.)

Paramount to all of this: Let's just have FUN! :D

Mustex, I only vaguely remember ZOIDS, so I cannot provide a qualified opinion about the style of that particular show. :) However, as one can see, we are considering from among several different styles.


Respectfully, and praying to God I made some sense here. (Now I have to go warp my mind by listening to people sing bad songs very badly....and oogle beautiful women)

Martok2112

[gmd3d]

We could get our heads together and come up with a plot line that could be placed around the time of HAND OF GOD keeping our heros at the age we left them to start of with.

And the story line could be kept within a guild line where it made no comment on the future story and leaving the way clear and hastle free for the Movie.

. That everyone agrees that our material in the animated show is a "fanwork" only. If we are to seriously consider that our material is intended to be canonical and flexible enough to accomodate an "official" future under Glen Larson's and Tom DeSanto's auspices, then we have to focus to that end.

that is the best way, it's fanfic to be enjoyed by fans and If if somehow Universal
wanted to do something with it , it could be called something like
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA "THE LOST YEARS" or
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA "THE CHILDREN OF THE STARS
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA "EXODUS TO EARTH
So that it's clear that the work we do is long before the movie time with younger
Apollo, Starbuck and even Adama alive still guiding the "LOST SOULS OF THE COLONIALS.

Therefore, I think we should work on the series as if Dark Exodus, and other fanfics, NEVER existed.
We should absolutly develop something new have the writer's pitching Ideas with each other and the CGI people start experimenting on designs. and what ever need to be looked at. that is why I think the first step is the bible / manual.

those that are in the film business already that can help in this area as they are all ready using some kind of system and that what we need to work on before
another step is talkin??

I think it would be a little more secure than trying to schedule meetings chat are conducted in Yahoo IM, AOL IM, or MSN IM.

communication is important thats the one thing that will stop us

[repcisg]

In terms of conical, unless Glen touches this it cannot be counted as conical out side of our group. But, that said, I think if we keep things as close to the series as possible most people will accept it s such.

Doing something near to the Hand of God would make it much easier to keep close to conical. Glen and Tom Desanto, if either of them chooses to do a new movie will most likely place it 20 to 30 years out, or perhaps even farther out. This would make any fan effort, placed near the end of the series pretty safe, especially if we do not make any serious changes to the characters or their relationships.

Richard has gotten him self in trouble with the fans by not adhering to the original story as closely as he should. We should avoid that mistake.

As I recall the Hand of God ended with the fleet passing through a region of dark matter to emerge into a new star system. From what I saw of it, it most closely resembled a different arm of our galaxy. What they find there could be a good starting point for some short stories. The fleet itself could provide some raw material.

At any rate we are moving forward.

A bible is a must have, a collection of story ideas another must have, I will look into some sort of formal company structure, to protect all and if by some miracle Universal comes knocking we will look like we have our act together.

Keep it coming guys!

[martok2112]

Onward and Upward.....To Infinity and........ooops :D

Well said, Rep.

Looks like we've got several people on board...at least from the writing, and some artistic standpoints. :)

Let's seize Galactica, folks! Let's try and give the fans a taste of what they've been waiting for....or at least, new hope!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[gmd3d]

It would be great to develop a Adventure from start to finished in the Galactica Universe that I enjoy and that fan's who have been waiting for years would enjoy, comment on and discuss in this very forum. :)

[kingfish]

IMHO the only way an animated series could work is if it is done like David Kerin's Sentinals. If it is going to be on the order of the Clone Wars animated series then it will stink.

[gmd3d]

As I recall the Hand of God ended with the fleet passing through a region of dark matter to emerge into a new star system. From what I saw of it, it most closely resembled a different arm of our galaxy. What they find there could be a good starting point for some short stories. The fleet itself could provide some raw material.


I can remember of hand how it ended but i think the last scene was with Apollo and Starbuck, Cassie and Sheba in the Glass tower over the engines reciving
the transmition from the moon landing? I will watch it tomorrow to get the ending.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[gmd3d]

IMHO the only way an animated series could work is if it is done like David Kerin's Sentinals. If it is going to be on the order of the Clone Wars animated series then it will stink.

I have not seen the *Sentinals or the Clone wars.
* I will try and download the Sentinals do you have a link kingfish.

[BST]

Regarding the "time-frame", why not start soon after HOG? Not the next day but, a short time into the future say, 6 months to a year. If I read this correctly, since the voice-overs would come from within the fanbase, would it really matter to the animated effort whether or not Greene, Colicos, Bridges, and Harris have passed on. (A similar parallel would be if their roles were re-cast in a Continuation movie.)

The beauty of animation is that the characters could go through an aging process, from 1978 through present day so, it really wouldn't matter where we started. If there was ever to be a tie-in to the Continuation movie, the animation could adapt. The sooner the time-frame, after HOG, the greater the variety of storylines. I like the idea of using Dark Exodus as the "midway point". (Aren't they going to return to kick some Cylon tail and re-take the Colonies some day?) ;)

Ok, so I'm a romantic at heart. :D

Well, that's my contribution of dis-jointed thoughts, for now.

:)

[martok2112]

As much as I liked Clone Wars, I am inclined to agree with Kingfish, that it would perhaps NOT be a good style for it.

BST, thanks for the kind words on DE perhaps being a good middlestory. :) (Nice to know that it's still loved.)

Repcisg and I are gonna get initial ideas together, and will want other writers to chime in as well. Sounds like we have a few good ones on board. :)

I am fired up!

Martok2112

[Eric Paddon]

My answer to the initial question of this thread is an emphatic no. The reasons why have everything to do with the environment that presently exists with the Moore series, because at this point seeing the original continued only in a format that for me personally is only one step removed from a comic book, is something that falls under the "Been there, done that" category with two comics series already done in the past. I know that for others, animation and comic books are entirely different genres, but they essentially the same for me, and would have all the palatability of a leftover crumb after the main course of live action has been done for another concept (Moore) with the name.

At this point, live action, be it in big screen or by a greater miracle on TV, is all that would satisfy me. Any other medium is just a variation on an existing theme of fanfic, novels and comic books and is not my idea of a proper be-all, end-all solution to what is needed for the original series fanbase.

[BST]

My answer to the initial question of this thread is an emphatic no. The reasons why have everything to do with the environment that presently exists with the Moore series, because at this point seeing the original continued only in a format that for me personally is only one step removed from a comic book, is something that falls under the "Been there, done that" category with two comics series already done in the past. I know that for others, animation and comic books are entirely different genres, but they essentially the same for me, and would have all the palatability of a leftover crumb after the main course of live action has been done for another concept (Moore) with the name.

At this point, live action, be it in big screen or by a greater miracle on TV, is all that would satisfy me. Any other medium is just a variation on an existing theme of fanfic, novels and comic books and is not my idea of a proper be-all, end-all solution to what is needed for the original series fanbase.


Looking at this from a different angle, wouldn't it be a good way to bring attention to what we desire?

[Gemini1999]

Looking at this from a different angle, wouldn't it be a good way to bring attention to what we desire?

Pete -

I think it would be interesting to give it a go... Sure, some of the original actors might be dissappointed in playing voice over roles, versus playing live action parts. I would like to see what they could do with a mature, serious storyline - if they went a Saturday-morning route, it would be a major disappointment.

I think that there's a lot of potential here and it would be a lower-cost option than a live series to prove the viability for a TOS-based continuation story. (Of course, that would depend on the "genius" talent running the studios today...)

It wouldn't have the same impact as a major motion picture, but I would still like to see it!

Best,
Bryan

[Eric Paddon]

I think I don't see at this point how an animated series could serve the role of launching pad to a live action revival. The Star Trek precedent I think is a bit flawed because the animated series' role in leading to the movie franchise really didn't amount to much ultimately. And Galactica is a franchise with a specific storyline and unlike Trek with its self-contained story universe, we'd be opening up too many questions of whether live action following animated would have to acknowledge plot developments etc. of the animated and so on, and then there'd be the matter of financiers throwing up their hands and saying, "What more do you want?!"

If an animated series were done, it would just be dressed-up fanfic for me in the same way that I regard Hatch's novels, as well as the previous comic book series. The only novelty would be hearing a few cast members voices added to what's been done before, and that really isn't all that meaningful to me when the voices are not attached to a flesh and blood performance on the screen.

[thomas7g]

A perfectly valid wiewpoint, Eric.

But to continue the discussion for the rest of us, what would other people WANT to see in an animated version?

[gmd3d]

ok I am serious about attemting this Amimation fanfic for the BSG but the thing is, the gap between what I do know and what I need to know :D if you get me.
I have been thinking hard about it and was wondering who of us have the ability.
I was when younger very good at drawing etc, and have started working on CGI stuff for my own intrest and fun.

Thomas
I was reading a thread about appleseed animation which you posted some time back and one post stuck out in my mind.

Well... right now we have a few major stumbling blocks. Basically everyone knows how to make ships. I'm the only one who can draw these. And no one has character animating skill outside of some poser level stuff.

that right we have no time scale on this and it take's a long time to develop the skills needed for this.Thomas can you suggest a good place for us to start

Animation is something I want too learn about anyway and I want to learn how to do it and where I should start
.

my first question for us.. too start this Animation is for those that know about it is:

1: how long does it take to do a full 3D story compaired to >
2: how long would it take to do 2D and 3D mix (would it be quicker and easy)>
3: how long will the story be :20 min long /30 min long or longer?

I don't know if this make sence :thumbsup:

[CommanderTaggart]

I think I don't see at this point how an animated series could serve the role of launching pad to a live action revival. The Star Trek precedent I think is a bit flawed because the animated series' role in leading to the movie franchise really didn't amount to much ultimately. And Galactica is a franchise with a specific storyline and unlike Trek with its self-contained story universe, we'd be opening up too many questions of whether live action following animated would have to acknowledge plot developments etc. of the animated and so on, and then there'd be the matter of financiers throwing up their hands and saying, "What more do you want?!"

If an animated series were done, it would just be dressed-up fanfic for me in the same way that I regard Hatch's novels, as well as the previous comic book series. The only novelty would be hearing a few cast members voices added to what's been done before, and that really isn't all that meaningful to me when the voices are not attached to a flesh and blood performance on the screen.

I hear you, Eric, and so much of me feels the same way. However, thanks to the Hammer, RDM, and Eick, this fanbase can no longer afford that kind of steadfast attitude if we ever have any hope of reviving Battlestar Galactica. We've been beaten and battered by the clone wars, we' ve lost passionate advocates, and we've been fractured by The Abomination.

If this were just anybody trying to put forth an animated series, I'd be recoiling in fear... but it's Tom DeSanto... and I don't think that can be ignored. If you read Sandy's thread at CA, you know that NBC-Universal already believes that all existing TOS fans have been accounted for in the TNS viewing numbers. We know this is not the case, but... as always... the suits are braindead.

All available avenues for expressing to NBC-Universal that we want Battlestar Galactica revived have been exhausted. We've made our point until we're red in the face.

What Tom is offering with an animated series is low-risk (investment wise) opportunity to get a Battlestar Galactica product before the public... one which each and every one of us can support, both by watching the broadcasts and purchasing the DVD's (and any other merchandise that might result). In this way, we can demonstrate the size of the TOS fanbase, which has the potential to eclipse the TNS fanbase. If NBC-Universal sees a big enough return, the argument for a live-action motion picture is a lot easier to make.

I actually think this fanbase's willingness to support an animated series is going to be quite important in the not-too-distant future.

[Eric Paddon]

I hear you, Eric, and so much of me feels the same way. However, thanks to the Hammer, RDM, and Eick, this fanbase can no longer afford that kind of steadfast attitude if we ever have any hope of reviving Battlestar Galactica. We've been beaten and battered by the clone wars, we' ve lost passionate advocates, and we've been fractured by The Abomination.

And to me, this is precisely why I'm not going to count myself among those who will be pushing for this because after all we've been subjected to, the last thing I will settle for is a limp consolation prize that is ultimately a retread of something that's been done before in the last decade. Would I ignore it if it came to pass? No, but I certainly wouldn't regard it as a project more worthy than what fanfic authors and comic book artists have done already, and frankly I would really be distressed if such an animated series were suddenly elevated to the level of "official canon" to the majority of TOS fanbase because from my standpoint, only something done in the live action milleu has the right to make any potential claim to that.

For me, the best way to impress the powers that be about what needs to be done only requires (1) the failure of the Abomination by not watching it and (2) continued good sales of the DVD sets. Those make the case a lot more simply and effectively IMO than something that for me would just be another painful reminder of what we still don't have and how TOS have had to settle for second-class treatment for too long.

I think a new poll question of "Do you own the DVD set?" would be in order, because I sometimes get the feeling that not as many of those we call part of TOS fanbase has bothered to get one, and if we encouraged everyone who is a fan to just buy it, especially now that the price is much lower than it was a year ago (just $63 at Amazon), a lot more long-term good could be done IMO.

As for any animated effort, I will just take the position of not standing in the way of one or dissing the intentions behind one, but at the same time not putting myself in the ranks of those who will be that enthused by one.

[gmd3d]

For me, the Animation project could fill in the gap over the last 25 years up to the point movies are made and if it become's cannon does not matter. for me if we do it right and stay faithful to the show. (as I am sure we would if not we would have to dig a very deep hole somewhere and put the dirt in after us) :eek: ;)

I am also looking at things like this, If the Animation series if taken on by the power that be could give the fans of BSG (like me) the stories that can never be told.

The most common worry that we all see here is "I hope it won't become a kiddy show". Me too, I would hate it to go that way, and some of the stories I would like to see "as Adama cannot be alive when the movies are made I would like to know at some point what happend to him, now when the film is made and finished they will have to say what happened, how it happend, did he die of extream old age, did the people in the lightship take him and give him a place among them??

and other things, and we could do this in a animation version

CommanderTaggart wrote:
What Tom is offering with an animated series is low-risk (investment wise) opportunity to get a Battlestar Galactica product before the public... one which each and every one of us can support, both by watching the broadcasts and purchasing the DVD's (and any other merchandise that might result). In this way, we can demonstrate the size of the TOS fanbase, which has the potential to eclipse the TNS fanbase. If NBC-Universal sees a big enough return, the argument for a live-action motion picture is a lot easier to make.

I actually think this fanbase's willingness to support an animated series is going to be quite important in the not-too-distant future.

That's it from my point of view

and I also think that if the powers that be don't take a quality production made for fans by the fans serious god help us and for future productions of any show.

my hope is that once we , all of us have finished it, and we can all.. say "that is a great product very entertaining and as a TOS BSG fan its a great tribute to the Real show , I will be happy to have played a part no matter how big or small the part is. and I hope you all will too becouse if not, what the point?? :salute:

I want something I can be proud of too

:salute:

[ernie90125]

Hi all,

Sorry for not being around much recently, I am 're-imagining' the home network, server and going broadband tomorrow !!!

I would like to offer my support and assistance to an effort for fans to make a Continuation of some sort.

Whilst I would perfer a live action movie, in the absence of that happening/ in the meantime I would love to encourage an animation endevour. And anything is better than nothing !!!

I have been saying how much I would like to see fans making our own Continutaion, in several other threads. Many have the ability in CGI, and a number of people have made 2 minute trailers. Add those together in a unified effort and we could make something really special !

I would like to offer my services as a multimedia designer to help if I can. I make menus like you see on DVDs, although primarily I work on CD-Rom. I realise this may not be of immediate use, so I will offer to help out in any other way as well...

Long Live the Original BSG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kingfish]

If one is waiting for NBC/Universal to give the fans what they want well don't hold your breath because we aren't getting it. IMHO when Larson says it is over, we are finished.

[Sept17th]

Give me something that looks similar to the Athena on the Fleets home page. Give me the voices of the surviving cast with exciting stories for adults picking up right after Hand of God. Yeah, I’ll watch. I would hope for a ratings/critical success then maybe the bean counters at the studio will see a Film as viable.

[shiningstar]

and a great PLOT LINE too ......yep I'd watch

[martok2112]

Well guys, looks like we got our work cut out for us :D

Martok2112

[thomas7g]

that right we have no time scale on this and it take's a long time to develop the skills needed for this.Thomas can you suggest a good place for us to start

Animation is something I want too learn about anyway and I want to learn how to do it and where I should start
.

my first question for us.. too start this Animation is for those that know about it is:

1: how long does it take to do a full 3D story compaired to >
2: how long would it take to do 2D and 3D mix (would it be quicker and easy)>
3: how long will the story be :20 min long /30 min long or longer?

I don't know if this make sence :thumbsup:
Best thing is to just start on making good pictures, and then making those move a little.

Direct 2D is out. I'm the only one here who knows how to do this. But there are plugins that allow computer 3d models to look "animated". That is how the new Appleseed movie does it.

As for time...1 minute is a loooong time in CGI. :D

Its like I was mentioning to some other ambitioius friends, you have to start off small, or the first step will be too large of an obstacle to pass.
:D

[shiningstar]

Best thing is to just start on making good pictures, and then making those move a little.

Direct 2D is out. I'm the only one here who knows how to do this. But there are plugins that allow computer 3d models to look "animated". That is how the new Appleseed movie does it.

As for time...1 minute is a loooong time in CGI. :D

Its like I was mentioning to some other ambitioius friends, you have to start off small, or the first step will be too large of an obstacle to pass.
:D

And here it is I thought you knew everything :D

[gmd3d]

Well guys, looks like we got our work cut out for us

Martok2112

ohh yes :duck: but what a challenge :D I am still game to give it the best shot I can give.

He who dares ..wins ( or gets to dig he own grave :D )

[shiningstar]

ohh yes :duck: but what a challenge :D I am still game to give it the best shot I can give.

He who dares ..wins ( or gets to dig he own grave :D )

Go for it Potemkin! :salute: :colonial: :warrior: :star:

[ernie90125]

Several thoughts that might or might not appeal :

If this were made, and Universal decided to put it out as bonus on a DVD, but wouldn't pay us anything - would we (both the fanbase and contributors) accept ?

Why not ask Tom DeSanto what his Animation storyline is, and ask to make him a concept trailer ? Prove DeSanto and the fanbase are united...

Why not, as a sign of democracy, come up with several ideas, and have a poll to allow members to decide the storyline and direction etc ?


Not wanting to cuase disputes - only intended as discussion points.....

Ernie90125

[thomas7g]

http://www.thomas7g.com/post/sephiroth.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4564



http://www.thomas7g.com/post/ffxdvdrip.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8267


http://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed01.jpghttp://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed04.jpg


http://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed06.jpghttp://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed07.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?&t=6672

[thomas7g]

ALL the above is computer generated. Even the one that looks like traditional animation.


and btw if you haven't seen this yet, you really MUST
http://www.apple.co.jp/quicktime/trailers/appleseed_large.html (18MB)

(again from this thread:
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?&t=6672 )

[shiningstar]

Several thoughts that might or might not appeal :

If this were made, and Universal decided to put it out as bonus on a DVD, but wouldn't pay us anything - would we (both the fanbase and contributors) accept ?

Why not ask Tom DeSanto what his Animation storyline is, and ask to make him a concept trailer ? Prove DeSanto and the fanbase are united...

Why not, as a sign of democracy, come up with several ideas, and have a poll to allow members to decide the storyline and direction etc ?


Not wanting to cuase disputes - only intended as discussion points.....

Ernie90125

excellent points Ernie

[shiningstar]

http://www.thomas7g.com/post/sephiroth.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4564



http://www.thomas7g.com/post/ffxdvdrip.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8267


http://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed01.jpghttp://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed04.jpg


http://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed06.jpghttp://thomas7g.com/post/Appleseed07.jpg
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?&t=6672

Those are so neat! Final fantasy was always my favorite!

[Hito]

I'd floated the idea of an anime style Galactica here a couple of times.
I think it is a great idea but i'd still remake it from the beginning tho to take advantage of the medium and some traditional anime spaceopera conventions.
Especially like a songbird character and involved story arc.

[thomas7g]

...Especially like a songbird character and involved story arc.
"...stagefright...go way...this is my big day......"

:duck:

Good to see you still alive!

[gmd3d]

Several thoughts that might or might not appeal :

If this were made, and Universal decided to put it out as bonus on a DVD, but wouldn't pay us anything - would we (both the fanbase and contributors) accept ?
"I would accept as long as we got the Credit (Speaking for myself that is) :)

Why not ask Tom DeSanto what his Animation storyline is, and ask to make him a concept trailer ? Prove DeSanto and the fanbase are united...
"There is a lot about this I don't know could you please post a link for me." :thumbsup:


Why not, as a sign of democracy, come up with several ideas, and have a poll to allow members to decide the storyline and direction etc ?
"This is the idea i like the best and was trying to think of the best ways to do it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
A poll is the best way, anyone who wants to write a script or plot sends it to either repcisg or Martok who are acting as the Coordinators"
I have started my own story idea and will be sending it first few pages in a few days set after the HAND OF GOD.

Not wanting to cuase disputes - only intended as discussion points.....

Ernie these are the very ideas that are in my mind important when the time come we can open a new Thread for the stories to be read by all.
then we vote in a poll and the stories with the most fan votes or the top 3 (depending on how many stories we have) go through for deeper Consideration and discussion. :salute: :salute:
Ernie90125

[gmd3d]

Thomas those images are sooo cool, :thumbsup:

I went out yesterday and for the first time in years bought a drawing pad, pencils
pens etc, I got the WACOM tablet sometime ago and have started training with it.

Like most of us I have only so much time to commit a day, I have 2 hours , so i spend 1 hour working on my artistic skills and the rest in a story other area of training. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ernie90125]

Sorry, Potemkin I don't have a link to anything about Tom DeSantos effort as all I know is what I have seen mentioned here at Fleets. But I doubt that any movie maker would turn down a free concept trailer which also shows the fanbase's support........

Tom, having looked at the images you provided and linked to, I have to say that the Final Fantasy stuff looks so much better than he ones that are or look like traditional animation.
It has a certain 21st Century newness about it. I'll go and download some movie samples of it when I am on broadband shortly...

[ernie90125]

I have always wanted to contribute as a writer to a scifi project. As a child I used to write loads and wanted to be a writer. I would even stay in on my lunchbreak at school to finish a story I had begun in class.

Teachers got so sick of my fascination with space, they forced me against my will to read other books and do other things. But at the end of the year I was back to sci-fi and have ever since, and the teacher in question had a breakdown.... Guess I won that one !

When I 'grew up' I moved on and also becamse disillusioned by seeing so many similar storylines in sci-fi. Even now I'll watch a new episode of Stargate and be thinking to myself....yep seen it before in Star Trek : The Next Generation...........

I would like to contribute to this project, and will try my best to come up with something....

[gmd3d]

I would like to contribute to this project, and will try my best to come up with something....

great stuff ernie the more idea the better. I have a page and a half done :thumbsup:

[martok2112]

sounds like the writting staff is growing :)

Martok2112:)

[repcisg]

The writing staff is growing, the potential story lines are endless. As soon as they start to arrive I'll set them up on a web site so we can all see them. Be sure to include you real name so that you can receive credit for the idea.

If two post the same idea, the one who gets it to me first wins! That’s how the copyright system works.

Try to keep the initial idea short, under a thousand words. This will keep the collection short enough to read. We can discuses the potential of each and then look at fleshing them out.

[repcisg]

Tom,

The screen shots of the Final Fantasy VII are along one of the lines I was thinking of for a CGI movie. I realize something like that may be a real stretch for us but, if we can find a way…… ;)

I’m looking at not just a fan film but at the potential for original works as well. There are a number of marketing venues we can look at. The one thing the Studios fear most is some upstart showing them how to do it better and making money at it. :D

[Archangel]

Has a format been decided on yet?

[repcisg]

No, not yet. this is the very early stage of the project. We need as much input as we can get at this point.

[shiningstar]

No, not yet. this is the very early stage of the project. We need as much input as we can get at this point. :( AWWWWWWWWWWW :(

[gmd3d]

repcisg wrote:
Try to keep the initial idea short, under a thousand words. This will keep the collection short enough to read. We can discuses the potential of each and then look at fleshing them out.

A thousand words ok I can do that since I have just completed my first chapter of a fanfic and that 2400 words so far. :cry: :cry:

A well I have wanted to do a fanfic for sometime might as well keep going and see what you all think :)

I also think I have had to many drink tonight :/: soo good night all :thumbsup:

[martok2112]

Speakin of drinkin...looks like that is the order of the day for me tonight. :D

Rep, I am still tryin to think of some good ideas too, but it would probably help if at some point I were able to buy the boxed set. Hang in there.

Folks, cook up them ideas :D

Martok2112

[repcisg]

Jalopy racing any one?

[bsg1fan1975]

sorry no racing for this turkey of any kind!

[kingfish]

Final Fantasy looks great however I can't see NBC doing this for the life of me in primetime. In fact one doesn't even need to look to FF for BG anime when you can see it in the game. There are short movies inbetween gameplay. The movies looked great. Many of the concepts are the remnants of Desanto's Galactica series but with changes. Megas is the Cylon villain/spy that Apollo was to be in the mini and series to follow.

[martok2112]

Final Fantasy looks great however I can't see NBC doing this for the life of me in primetime. In fact one doesn't even need to look to FF for BG anime when you can see it in the game. There are short movies inbetween gameplay. The movies looked great. Many of the concepts are the remnants of Desanto's Galactica series but with changes. Megas is the Cylon villain/spy that Apollo was to be in the mini and series to follow.

The character animations in the CG cutscenes of that game were pretty good...but the space scenes with the Galactica were just jaw dropping. I could literally see those kind of effects for either an animated series, or even somewhat on the big screen.

Respectfully,
martok2112

[kingfish]

The character animations in the CG cutscenes of that game were pretty good...but the space scenes with the Galactica were just jaw dropping. I could literally see those kind of effects for either an animated series, or even somewhat on the big screen.

Respectfully,
martok2112


Yeah a Glen A Larson movie using cgi shots of the Big G, Vipers, Raiders, ect.

[bsg1fan1975]

sounds like something I would watch for sure.

[Gunstar Aries]

Well, I guess I'll throw my two squadrons into the fray.

I think one problem with animation that persists in an American audience is the perception that 'cartoons' are for kids. This, to me is misconception. When movies were in their prime, even Citizen Kane was preceeded by a cartoon. And these cartoons, think Looney Tunes here, were meant to be seen by both children AND adults. When I was kid at laughed at Bugs Bunny telling the aborigine 'Nature Boy' Hasty Bananas. When I went to college and to took Spanish, I learned 'haste manana' meant 'see you tomorrow.' Took me 20 years to get that joke...

I think one reason anime is so successful is that the Japanese have a view that animation is just another way to tell a story. So a good and intricate story can be told in animation because adults can be the target audience. But enough about the genre, let's talk about the possiblities.

Some have mentioned the Animated Batman, Superman and Justice League series as examples of adult animation. One key ingredient in all of those were people who 1) knew and liked the subject matter and 2) were very enthused about the project. To have a BSG: The Animated Sereis (hereafter, BSG: TAS) I think that ingrediant is needed as well. Paul Dini and Bruce Tim know the history of DC comics very well. They consistently use elements from DC's past works. Luckily, there seems to be no shortage of volunteers for such duty... :salute:

There have been better episodes of any of the Dini/Tim series than any of the big-budget movies that have been made. I'd cite the animated Batman movies "Mask fo the Phantasm" and "Sub Zero" as example. Better than any of the Batman films, even the first one with Keaton. Mask of the Phantasm was about lost love, how people change and how you can't go back again. In a 'CARTOON'!?!?!? Where were those 'adult' issues in George Clooney ripping off Adam West? Or take the animated Superman episode "The Late Mr. Kent." Clark Kent is doing a story on a death row inmate who claims he's innocent. A crooked cop in involved, and in the process, he plants a bomb in Clark's car. The car goes over a cliff, and naturally, Superman emerges from the water. How does Superman keep an innocent man alive without revealing that he's Clark Kent to the world? If you get a chance, watch this episode. You won't even think it was a 22 minute cartoon. Jaw dropping ending, too...

BSG: TAS would need to pull in such elements as minor characters we've seen in the past. I'd pick Peter David to write the pilot, as he's very good at this kind of creativity. I'm a real critic of Star Trek: TNG, but in David's novels, he actually makes me care about those characters. (On a side note, when it was in production, I used to criticize TNG with "just because it's the best sci-fi on TV doesn't mean it's GOOD sci-fi...) I want the same attention to detail in an animated battelstar. Dini and Tim frequently throw out a bone to the fans, letting them know, 'Yes, we know you're out there and we know you're watching too.' In the Batman Beyond series, a good example was the use of the gun of Mr. Freeze to stop the liquid character Inque. I'd like to see an animated series that let's me know Agro ships, Gemenese freighters and Colonial Movers ships are all still around. Dini and Tim had enough faith in their work and their characters to do entire episode that only peripherally involved their main characters. Slam out a few episodes, and give one focusing on some minor characters. Salik or Omega for example. There are stories there too.

Well I've rambled enough. Great concept, Thomas. I hope it catches on...

Regards,

Gunstar Aries

[ernie90125]

Hi all...

I'd like to publically post my idea for a animated Continuation. Hopefully this will stir debate and encourage others to post as well....making an animated feature is a strong idea if we all stick with it.

My idea is for a episode following on from the end of 'The Return of Starbuck'

Starbuck manages to rebuild Cy, using parts from the other Cylons. Cy remembers everything and his loyalty remains with Starbuck. They collect together their personal belongings, and use the Cylon Raider to fly away from the planet.

However, it is not long* before they are detected by the Cylon Basestar and their Raider is placed on autopilot to land. Realising that they have no choice, when they land in a hanger bay full of Cylons, Cy claiming that Starbuck is his prisioner.

The Basestar turns out to be the one commanded by Balter (Or Imperious Leader) and after a fruitless intergation, Starbuck is imprisoned. Time passes. Cy visits Starbuck from time to time to secretly keep him up to date, and over time Starbuck works on a plan to escape. Meanwhile the Basestar tracks and attacks the Galactica as part of the war.

A chance to escape arrives and Starbuck and Cy take it.... I leave this ending open-ended as it could lead into another animated episode...

Notes :

I placed a * in the story as it may be possible for Starbuck and Cy to have an adventure before being captured by the Cylons.

The reasons why I feel this should be a good candidate for a fan created animated adventure :

- Most people accept the episode 'The Return of Starbuck' as canon, so chronologically it is the last original BSG episode. In the CFF chat I asked Dirk if he felt that Starbuck's experiences in R.O.S. should affect his character when we see him in a Continuation - he agreed - so we have to get Starbuck back to the fleet sometime.

- One of the MAJOR factors in this storyline is that Starbuck is the only human character to be seen at length. Thomas has commented in this thread, and David Moss mentioned in a phone call, that creating CGI characters is the hardest part. This would reduce the amount of work needed to take our first tentative step forwards...

- Dirk has done voiceovers, and seems co-operative with fans, he may consider being a part of this ? The Cylon voice can easily be created with a software Vocoder (freely available)

- This story does nothing to contradict the storylines of other Continuations (as far as I am aware) and may tie quite nicely into the Second Coming. It is also unlikely that any future Continuation would contradict this storyline. They don't contradict us, and we don't contradict them - rubbing along quite nicely !!!!

- Starbuck is one of the most popular characters of the show and indeed sci-fi.


I will post any more thoughts as they occur to me. A lot of this storyline was thought about whilst also taking into account the practicalities of making this, remember we can always do more, but we need to get one to work first....

I welcome people to post their thoughts as well, including critical ones.....

[Gemini1999]

Hey everyonje -

I was watching Anime Unleashed on TechTV last night and they are showing the first episodes of Last Exile each night this week. The one thing that always strikes me about this particular show is that they use traditional anime for the characters, but also use 2D & 3D VFX for the rest of the anime. The effect is really breathtaking when you watch it. It's most impressive in the very early episodes!

If you get a chance, take a look at TechTV and take a look - don't pay so much attention to the story, but how the show is designed and presented. If you don't have TechTV on your cable, but happen to be e Netflix.com member, try renting the first disk, if nothing else, out of curiosity.

Personally, I loved the series so much when I first saw it on TV, I wound up going to Best Buy and buying each of the disks as they come out. The last disk is coming out in December - I can't wait!

Just a suggestion....

Best,
Bryan

[gmd3d]

I found this site that might be of intrest to the writer out there, have a look
http://www.scifiscripts.com/default.html

This site also has a number of intresting links. :thumbsup:

[kingfish]

We could get the cast of Tiny Toons for the roles of the new generation. For the older roles the cast from Looney Toons would suffice.

Imperious Leader: Porky Pig.

Count Iblis: Daffy Duck.

Starbuck: Bugs Bunny.

:D

[Gunstar Aries]

:) Kingfish, I'm SHOCKED at such a ridiculous post!!!!!!
:)
Elmer should be Count Iblis!!!!!!! Yosemite Sam should be Baltar, and the 'Crusher' (who wrestled and boxed against Bugs) should be the Imperious Leader!!!

Seriously, (OK, not seriously) I like the idea, Cylons seem done, so here are my picks:

Adama - a tough one. Normally I'd say Bugs; he always wins, he's smart, he make his opponents look silly... Might have to think about this one, reconsider my pick for Apollo....

Bugs - Apollo (Bugs has the grace-under-pressure thing going)

Daffy-Starbuck (A foil for Bugs...)

Col. Tigh - Foghorn Leghorn ("Pay attention when I'm talkin' to you, boy!)+

Dr. Wilker - Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius...)

Jolly - Porky Pig

Greenbean - "Charlie" the dog

Boomer - "Dog" from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons

Giles - Chicken Hawk

Muffit - Mac & Tosh, the gophers....

My Looney Galactica pics.
:salute:

Regards,

G A

[repcisg]

Wha t - no beavers?



Ops, sorry wrong thread.

[gmd3d]

:LOL: :LOL: this is to much :LOL: :LOL:
I can just about see Yosemite Sam as Baltar.

[martok2112]

:LOL: :LOL: this is to much :LOL: :LOL:
I can just about see Yosemite Sam as Baltar.


"doooo'''hhhhhhh, ah hates them razzle cragga frackin' no good, darn falootin' Kobollians!"




A quote from Living Legend when the Pegasus is zooming towards Baltar's Raider:

"Whoooaaa! Centurion! Whoaaa! Come on, Centurion?! Whoaaaaaa! When ah' says 'whoa!' ah means 'WHOA!" *THWACK*

Irreverently,
Martok2112

[bsg1fan1975]

"doooo'''hhhhhhh, ah hates them razzle cragga frackin' no good, darn falootin' Kobollians!"




A quote from Living Legend when the Pegasus is zooming towards Baltar's Raider:

"Whoooaaa! Centurion! Whoaaa! Come on, Centurion?! Whoaaaaaa! When ah' says 'whoa!' ah means 'WHOA!" *THWACK*

Irreverently,
Martok2112
:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

I think that Daffy would make a great Starbuck!

[martok2112]

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

I think that Daffy would make a great Starbuck!


Daffy = Starduck
:D


or a combination of heroes....


Daffy, standing proudly atop Planet X with a flag of the Kobollian Colonies.

"StarDuck Dodgers, in the twenty-fourth and a halfth---thenturaaayyyyyyy!!!!!"



Porky Pig as Eager Space Cadet Boomer.....

"Ehhhh....b-b-b-b-b-big deal."


More Irreverence from,
Martok2112 :D

[Gunstar Aries]

I can't believe no one's commented on Elmer saying "Gawactica"... :)

[martok2112]

I can't believe no one's commented on Elmer saying "Gawactica"... :)


Gawactica...Cywons...Apowwo...Bawtar...Staubach....Vipahs...Cywon Waydahs....FWACK! :D


Martok Dodgers, in the 24th and a haltth thenturaaaayyyyyy! :D

[martok2112]

:) Kingfish, I'm SHOCKED at such a ridiculous post!!!!!!
:)
Elmer should be Count Iblis!!!!!!! Yosemite Sam should be Baltar, and the 'Crusher' (who wrestled and boxed against Bugs) should be the Imperious Leader!!!

Seriously, (OK, not seriously) I like the idea, Cylons seem done, so here are my picks:

Adama - a tough one. Normally I'd say Bugs; he always wins, he's smart, he make his opponents look silly... Might have to think about this one, reconsider my pick for Apollo....

Bugs - Apollo (Bugs has the grace-under-pressure thing going)

Daffy-Starbuck (A foil for Bugs...)

Col. Tigh - Foghorn Leghorn ("Pay attention when I'm talkin' to you, boy!)+

Dr. Wilker - Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius...)

Jolly - Porky Pig

Greenbean - "Charlie" the dog

Boomer - "Dog" from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons

Giles - Chicken Hawk

Muffit - Mac & Tosh, the gophers....

My Looney Galactica pics.
:salute:

Regards,

G A


Well, if you wanted to pull an RDM gender switch, you could have Granny playing Adama. :D

Martok the Irreverent.

[Gunstar Aries]

OK, I've given it some thought. Here's my line-up:

Adama - Granny (OK not perfect, but she's old, somewhat wise and has white hair)

Apollo - Bugs Bunny (Always wins, cool under pressure, makes his opponets look silly)

Starbuck - Daffy Duck ('nuff said!)

Boomer - "Dog" from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons (Tough, can dish it out as well as take it and will keep Starbuck/Daffy honest)

Col. Tigh - Foghorn Leghorn (As above, "Pay attention when I'm talkin' to you, boy!")

Omega - Sylvester ("Thhhufferin' thuckotash, Thhhylons!")

Jolly - Porky

Greenbean - "Charlie" the dog from some of the Porky features

Dr. Wilker - Spike the Dog (Big tough looking bulldog from a few Sylvester and Bugs features)

Dr. Salik - Wile E. Coyote

Boxey - Tweety (He's the smallest)

Giles - Chicken Hawk

Thylons, er uh, Cylons:

Imperious Leader - Marvin the Martian (Isn't that lovely?)

Count Iblis - Elmer Fudd

Baltar - Yosemite Sam

Lucifer - Dr. Smith from "Lost in Space". Sorry, my mistake. Beaky Buzzard.

Vulpa - The Crusher (wrestled/boxed Bugs in a couple of features.)

Spectre - Cottontail Smith (Bad guy when Bugs was turned into "Super Rabbit)

Ordinary garden variety Cylons - the Gas House Gorillas baseball team (Bugs beat them single handedly once, playing all nine positions)
:cool:

"Eh, watch me paste this pathetic palooka with powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch."
:colonial: ;)

[martok2112]

Ordinary garden variety Cylons - the Gas House Gorillas baseball team (Bugs beat them single handedly once, playing all nine positions) [/INDENT]
:cool:

"Eh, watch me paste this pathetic palooka with powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch."
:colonial: ;)


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:


Good memory, there GA. :D

Martok2112

[bsg1fan1975]

OK, I've given it some thought. Here's my line-up:


Adama - Granny (OK not perfect, but she's old, somewhat wise and has white hair)


Apollo - Bugs Bunny (Always wins, cool under pressure, makes his opponets look silly)

Starbuck - Daffy Duck ('nuff said!)

Boomer - "Dog" from the Foghorn Leghorn cartoons (Tough, can dish it out as well as take it and will keep Starbuck/Daffy honest)

Col. Tigh - Foghorn Leghorn (As above, "Pay attention when I'm talkin' to you, boy!")

Omega - Sylvester ("Thhhufferin' thuckotash, Thhhylons!")

Jolly - Porky

Greenbean - "Charlie" the dog from some of the Porky features

Dr. Wilker - Spike the Dog (Big tough looking bulldog from a few Sylvester and Bugs features)

Dr. Salik - Wile E. Coyote

Boxey - Tweety (He's the smallest)

Giles - Chicken Hawk


Thylons, er uh, Cylons:


Imperious Leader - Marvin the Martian (Isn't that lovely?)


Count Iblis - Elmer Fudd

Baltar - Yosemite Sam

Lucifer - Dr. Smith from "Lost in Space". Sorry, my mistake. Beaky Buzzard.

Vulpa - The Crusher (wrestled/boxed Bugs in a couple of features.)

Spectre - Cottontail Smith (Bad guy when Bugs was turned into "Super Rabbit)

Ordinary garden variety Cylons - the Gas House Gorillas baseball team (Bugs beat them single handedly once, playing all nine positions)
:cool:


"Eh, watch me paste this pathetic palooka with powerful paralyzing perfect pachydermous percussion pitch."
:colonial: ;)

One question, who gets to be Cain,Sheba and Athena?:LOL:

[Gunstar Aries]

Cain could be played by Taz; he's tough, he strikes fear in his opponents and his combat skill are well respected by all except Bugs.

The female characters are tough! Granny was really the only consistant female in Looney Toons. Prissy the hen from some of the Foghorn Leghorn cartoon could be Belloby, though...

Still haven't thought of a role for the Roadrunner, either...

[bsg1fan1975]

I think Roadrunner could make a nice Muffit!

[Gunstar Aries]

Good call!! Neither ever said very much, so there you go.

Muffit - Roadrunner

[bsg1fan1975]

I just thought it was a natural fit.

[repcisg]

All right! Now we're cooking!!

[gmd3d]

ok folks I need help, Names!! character name form the TOS members of the council of the Twelve, manly! with the right spellings.

[repcisg]

Well, besides Sir Uri I don't think they named more than two or three throughout the entire series. For the most part they were just a bunch of robes sitting around a table or clogging the hall ways.

Just had a thought, has any one really looked at the those actors, I'll bet Glen and some of the production crew slipped in for a cameo roll!

[gmd3d]

Ok thanks, The guy im thinking of is out of "baltar escapes" is that Sire Uri??

[ernie90125]

Sire Uri was the one always blocking what Adama wanted to do, or proposing things Adama objected to. For example, laying down their arms when they arrived at Carillion.

There was also that guy who was in Buck Rogers, he also sat on the council of twelve...

[gmd3d]

But there was a guy held hostage on the shuttle with Boomer and Sheba, by Baltar, and Adama and the other council member go on board to get extra time
to mount a rescue? his name begins with a D i think, Doma or something??

[martok2112]

I think Wilfred Hyde-White's character (the actor from Buck Rogers) was Sire Anton.

[gmd3d]

Found It :thumbsup: the characters name is Sire Dombra played by John Hoyt.

[Eric Paddon]

"Names!! character name form the TOS members of the council of the Twelve, manly! with the right spellings."

Sire Uri (Ray Milland)-Saga
Sire Montrose (John Williams)-WOTG
Sire Geller (Murray Matheson)-GFE
Sire Domra (John Hoyt)-Baltar's Escape
Siress Tinia (Ina Balin)-Baltar's Escape

[BST]

Sorry, Potemkin I don't have a link to anything about Tom DeSantos effort as all I know is what I have seen mentioned here at Fleets. But I doubt that any movie maker would turn down a free concept trailer which also shows the fanbase's support........

Tom, having looked at the images you provided and linked to, I have to say that the Final Fantasy stuff looks so much better than he ones that are or look like traditional animation.
It has a certain 21st Century newness about it. I'll go and download some movie samples of it when I am on broadband shortly...


Ernie,

Here's a link to DeSanto's effort -

Foundation Demo Discussion Thread (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5988&highlight=Foundation+Imaging)

Enjoy! :)

BST

[ernie90125]

Thanks for the tought BST, but I am very familiar with that thread. I was actually refering to Tom DeSanto's more recent effort to get BSG animated...

But thankyou for thinking to post it....

Ernie90125

[gmd3d]

Thanks Eric there the ones im looking for. I can move on with the fanfic and script :thumbsup:

[gmd3d]

came across this at sci-fi meshes website, some one has created the galacticas bridge in 3D Studio Max 5, 3D Studio Max 6 :thumbsup:

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16910&page=4&pp=15

have a look