(Logan's Run) Another Clasic Sci-Fi Remake?

[PlaidSquadron]

I was searching the Internet Movie Database (really just looking up old shows and movies I liked) and I discovered...

Scheduled for 2005 release is a remake of Logan's Run.

I am apalled. Why remake this classic? Wasn't ruining Planet of the Apes enough?

[julix]

It seems as though hollywood is running out of original ideas sometimes to me...It is a shame what happens, they see the built in audience and try to slap something together a lot of times.....it is painful.

[ernie90125]

Sooner or later one of the 'suits' is going to see where things are going wrong and maybe try something new ! But don't say this too loud or they might not do a Continuation of BSG ! I wish some of the studio would back the right horse !!!

Besides what's wrong with the original Logan's Run ? It is still reasonably with it !

[thomas7g]

Well....it does happen to be produced by Tom DeSanto with Bryan Singer as one of the writers.

:)

[julix]

That brings me to a question...what did you guys think of the storyline Tom was going with?????With Appllo as a cylon and Boxy as Comander....I don't know it real well. Skimmed it on BG.com. I didn't really like what I read, but what about you guys??????

[justjackrandom]

I wasn't crazy about the idea, but it might still have made a great story...we'll probably never know.

As for 'remakes', I don't think it’s a lack of new material as much as a desire on someone's part to revisit the material, particularly if the "original" was an adaptation from another media that wasn’t too faithful.

This isn’t anything new. It’s been going on in Hollywood since the days of silent movies. How many versions of Dumas’ Three Musketeers have been put on film? How many more films are ‘inspired’ by the tale? (At my last count, works in those two categories were upward of 20, with at least half titled The Three Musketeers).

I loved the original Logan's Run, and it has a very special place in my nostalgia banks for a number of reasons...but it wasn’t very true to the book upon which it was based (the short-lived TV series was actually more so). Maybe the new one will be closer.


JJR

[shiningstar]

I was searching the Internet Movie Database (really just looking up old shows and movies I liked) and I discovered...

Scheduled for 2005 release is a remake of Logan's Run.

I am apalled. Why remake this classic? Wasn't ruining Planet of the Apes enough?

:( Apparantly NOT :cry:
:thumbdown

[Archangel]

In this new one, aren't they gonna kick the age to 21 down from 30?

If they are:


Oh, great, another kiddy flick!!! :rage:

[shiningstar]

In this new one, aren't they gonna kick the age to 21 down from 30?

If they are:


Oh, great, another kiddy flick!!! :rage:Bummerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[repcisg]

:cry:

[Archangel]

Even though it's nice to achieve once in a while...
God, I hate being right!!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/

:rage:

[shiningstar]

Even though it's nice to achieve once in a while...
God, I hate being right!!!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/

:rage:

That's DISGUSTING not YOU ARCHANGEL ...........NOT YOU :rose:

[Archangel]

That's DISGUSTING not YOU ARCHANGEL ...........NOT YOU :rose:

I know, Shiningstar. I haven't really seen you insult anyone here yet! :D

Of course, you never met me either... :laugh:

[shiningstar]

I know, Shiningstar. I haven't really seen you insult anyone here yet! :D

Of course, you never met me either... <img src=http://thomas7g.com/battlestar-galactica/smilies/colonial-laugh.gif>

You can be 'that' bad if you can make me laugh ;)

[Archangel]

I *can* be, huh :D :laugh:

[justjackrandom]

A good primer on Logan’s Run and its various guises can be found at:

http://www.stellar-database.com/non-ISDB/LogansRun.html#what_is

:salute:

JJR

[Archangel]

Thanks for linking that JJR. It was informative :D

[PlaidSquadron]

A good primer on Logan’s Run and its various guises can be found at:

http://www.stellar-database.com/non-ISDB/LogansRun.html#what_is

:salute:

JJR

You know, after reading this web site, I may have to retract my comments that started this thread. Apparently, the belief is the movie being made now may be closer to the sourse material then the Michal York version. Since one of my other pet Hollywood Peeves is how often good books get screwed up in translation, this might turn out OK.

But then again, Logan could be "reimagined" into a woman.... :D

[thomas7g]

I'm not exactly sure why everyone is so angry that the age limit has been changed.

The first film looked down at a youth based culture. The whole idea was that it was a waste to end life at 30. It saw a quality in growing old. Bringing the age limit down doesn't make it a kiddy flick necessarily. It will still still make a point that these "kids" are wasting so much of their lives by valuing only the first 21 years of their youth. That's the whole point of Logan's Run. That your life has previous value past your youth.


I also think that our culture has changed significantly. MTV has made kids REALLY emphasize youth. They consider themselves as full cocky "I know it all" adults alot sooner than we did. It has placed an importance on being a young adult to the point where 30 seems very old. So a carousel at 30 doesn't have the impact it did when we were young.

To our young 30 seems incredibly far away. Many think that they will be lucky to live past 30. Most are definitely not thinking that far ahead. And for this kind of film to work, you need to feel that the immediacy that the characters in Logan's Run aren't living a full life.

:)

[shiningstar]

You know, after reading this web site, I may have to retract my comments that started this thread. Apparently, the belief is the movie being made now may be closer to the sourse material then the Michal York version. Since one of my other pet Hollywood Peeves is how often good books get screwed up in translation, this might turn out OK.

But then again, Logan could be "reimagined" into a woman.... :D

Or a spy :P:

[Sci-Fi]

Just to comment on the 21 vs 30 age debate. It makes sense for the 30 limit. Think about it. If you have kids at 13, when you become 21, your kids would be only 8 years old. The computers that control society would have their hands full trying to keep things under control.

In the original film, Logan takes an ankh symbol off a runner he just killed and the main computers added 4 years to Logan's life so he appears to have turned 30 and was ordered to go undercover and find "Sanctuary". So if the new film follows that, Logan would be 16. One could also wonder why doesn't teenagers defy authority and tradition and go look for Sanctuary just for kicks or out of curiosity. It's only natural for each generation to push the limits or try new things. There will always be one in the group that will try. Anyways, wonder if the new film will have the women wear those micro mini skirts as in the original film.... ;) :duck: :blush: :salute:

[justjackrandom]

Just to comment on the 21 vs 30 age debate. It makes sense for the 30 limit. Think about it. If you have kids at 13, when you become 21, your kids would be only 8 years old. The computers that control society would have their hands full trying to keep things under control.

They don't have children. The kids are grown in vitro and raised by the community and the computer. I don't remember it being established whether they are clones or not.

I think they changed the ages so they could cast older actors. As for a remake, I am looking forward to seeing if they come closer to the book. I still love the original film, but a new treatment doesn't bother me.

JJR

[repcisg]

Go Logan, Go!

[Bijou88]

I really get a kick out of "Logan's Run." Before Star Wars came out a year later in 1977, Logan's Run was the final word in big budget Hollywood Sci Fi. I watched this flick on my 30th birthday. I am the first to shake my fist in dismay at the "powers that be" when the stench of re-imagining fouls the air. But I understand that the idea behind this new take on Logan is that it will be faithful to the original novel. I can kind of be behind this. There is no way that you could recapture the flavor of the original movie. Peter Ustinov is gone and the story was pretty well rapped up in the movie. If the new movie is good, fans of the original book will be pleased. If the movie rots, at least it will get the studio to release the 13 episode Logan's Run TV series on DVD. You know it will happen as a promotional tie in. This can be a win-win sceanario. Either way, fans of Logan's Run will get something they want. I would buy the DVD set on the day it becomes available. Rem is my favorite character from this series. l

[Antelope]

I loved the original Logan's Run and still see it when it appears on cable from time to time. I enjoyed the series as a kid but it was a long time ago so wonder now how good it really was. I am hoping for a good remake but with the recent horrible remake of Planet of the Apes, which I looked forward to at the time still fresh in mind I am not getting my hopes up.

I think changing the age from 30 to 21 may be a non-issue. When's the last time we ever saw real teenagers play teenagers in a major movie anyway? I wonder how old the actor playing a 16 year old Logan will actually be?

On the question earlier about the Desanto Battlestar project: I was not happy about what I read especially the Apollo and Boxey situation. If the movie was made however I would still be looking forward to seeing it. I simply think there are a lot of better ideas for a continuation out there.

[julix]

I agree antelope, I have seen some better continuation ideas as well.....

[shiningstar]

I have to agree with that Antelope. By the way I haven't seen you in awhile welcome home.

They've also mucked up the remake series of dark shadows and lost in space too.

[ernie90125]

Bringing the age limit down doesn't make it a kiddy flick necessarily.

On this I will have to disagree with you Thomas, bringing the age limit down to 21 does make it a kiddy flick, as all the actors needed to portray the characters will be under 21.


I agree with Antelope's point about the BSG continuation, I didn't like the Boxey and Apollo developments.

I don't think Starbuck would have let someone he has seen a as child beat him to command. I don't think Boxey would have the experience to command effectively either.

And we have already seen a 'Father as the bad guy', and 'Son as the good guy' movie, it's called Star Wars ! And don't let there be more BSG against Star Wars arguments !

[thomas7g]

On this I will have to disagree with you Thomas, bringing the age limit down to 21 does make it a kiddy flick, as all the actors needed to portray the characters will be under 21.Usually teens are played by actors in their twenties. Look at how long Michael J Fox, Ralph Macchio and Mathew Broderick played "kids".

From what I've seen there has been a ton of films were the main character was a teenager that were perfectly suited to adults. Back to the Future for one. Same with Karate Kid. And well... the Exorcist was hardly a kiddie flick though it starred a very young girl.

THis film is being produced by Tom DeSanto and written by Brian Singer. Two names that have been closely connected to the revival of Battlestar Galactica. So for me its a matter of do you trust these guys to produce a film we will like. Do they feel how we feel about making films? Are they a team we can trust? Or are they just like every studio exec and is out for a buck and going to make a crappy film just to hit a demographic?

Sofar they have produced films that appeal to the kid in us without making another Spy Kids. XMEN for example.

WE as a fanbase have always made the selfish claim that these guys need to appeal to US when remaking Galactica. But what have we given THEM to earn anything at all? Where is the loyalty? The faith? Or the trust?

I will say one thing. Knock down DeSanto hard enough, and our hopes may go out the window for a continuation.

For me I think its most definitely worth it to keep an open mind for DeSanto. And give him my best wishes. And hope his films succeed.

[ernie90125]

From what I've seen there has been a ton of films were the main character was a teenager that were perfectly suited to adults. Back to the Future for one.

I agree that there are films like this, and I also agree that Back to the Future is one of them, and it is an excellent film ! However, these are incomparable to Logun's Run, as ALL the characters will be under 21. There will be no Doc Brown, a mature character to make wise comments.

If by your latter comments you think I wish a DeSanto movie to fail, please don't think that as I don't want him to fail, as that could jeopodise Transformers and BSG being made. I don't want to knock DeSanto at all, just express concern that Logun's Run will end up becoming another Thunderbirds.

[PlaidSquadron]

I am not sure DeSanto is involved in Logan's Run. Bryan Singer is listed as writer, but no director has been listed yet

(edit) oops - just saw where DeSanto is listed. Please ignore this post :salute:

[thomas7g]

I agree that there are films like this, and I also agree that Back to the Future is one of them, and it is an excellent film ! However, these are incomparable to Logun's Run, as ALL the characters will be under 21. There will be no Doc Brown, a mature character to make wise comments.
I don't think it was Doc Brown's character that made the film appeal to older audiences. It was the way the film was directed. Take Doc Brown out andn you still have an enjoyable film for adults. Whereas Thunderbird also had adults and it was kiddietime.

How about Stand By Me, a film starring all boys. It was appealed to adults as well as kids. And it starred all young boys. Much younger than 21. More toward 12-16.

Now I agree with you guys. I think lowering to 21 is uncomfortable.
;)



If by your latter comments you think I wish a DeSanto movie to fail, please don't think that as I don't want him to fail, as that could jeopodise Transformers and BSG being made. I don't want to knock DeSanto at all, just express concern that Logun's Run will end up becoming another Thunderbirds.

Good point. I never thought you wanted TDS to fail. Though I am hoping people have a wait and see attitude. Extend a little good will. And basically support the guy. There are good reasons to support him.

;)

[Antelope]

Look at Grease with John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John. All the main characters in the show were supposedly high school students and yet the actors were all closer to 30! I can think of a lot of young stars that will be fine playing in Logan's Run even if they are near 30 year olds playing teenagers. I am hoping for the best especially since I liked the original but I have lowered expectations based on the last few remakes I really looked forward to seeing. I will say however a well written and acted remake of Logan's Run could be great! We will just have to wait and see.

On the Desanto Battlestar movie: I hope he does make it especially if that's the last hope for a TOS based Continuation. I am not thrilled with what we have heard so far but that doesn't mean it won't be good. I wasn't thrilled with some aspects of the mini but overall I thought it was great. I look at the Desanto effort with the same eye.

Shiningstar: Thanks for the welcome back. I have had computer problems. For some reason prior to my fixes it caused Colonialfleets to navigate real ssssssllllllooooowwwwww. It took me forever to read a thread and post. Being a dialup internet subscriber only made things worse. As a result I would go to cylon.org first (for some reason their site didn't have those issues) and came here if I had time.

I also have been busier at work as of late and have been doing some military reading that has taken me away from the net.

Colonialfleets is still the friendliest place in the Battlestar world.

[thomas7g]

Colonialfleets is still the friendliest place in the Battlestar world.
I'm glad you are happy with Fleets! But we need to make it easier for you to get around.

Could it be our rather large amounts of graphics? If you want we can work together on producing an alternate template for low bandwidth people. We are here and ready to help. Just let us know.

:salute:

[Lusitan]

Go Logan, Go!

No, no, no.....
I just got this info from an "insider".
They are remaking Forest Gump also in the same movie.

The movie title is "Run Logan, Run"
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:LOL: :duck:

[Archangel]

Lmao

[Senmut]

I am the first to shake my fist in dismay at the "powers that be" when the stench of re-imagining fouls the air.
l
"Stench of re-imagining". Excellent turn of phrase, Bijou. Right on!

BTW, will the DVDs be in a "Box"ed set??? :D

[Antelope]

I'm glad you are happy with Fleets! But we need to make it easier for you to get around.

Could it be our rather large amounts of graphics? If you want we can work together on producing an alternate template for low bandwidth people. We are here and ready to help. Just let us know.

:salute:

Thanks for the offer but I wouldn't worry about it. The main problem I have is that the needs of internet security have increased so dramatically that when you use an older computer with limited processor and RAM compared to what they sell today that the various security systems slow you down to the point that any well made site with good graphics will slow you down.

My entire system crashed at one point and I was off line for about a week. When I reinstalled everything I found I couldn't even use certain McAfee features on the most current versions because I didn't have enough RAM.

The bottom line is that my system went from being average to a dinousaur over the course of the last 4 years. Add that to dial up and what can I say.

I am looking at selling my business. Once that happens I will purchase a good new system to instal at my home with some kind of broadband connection. Until then the tinkering with the security systems I have done now seem to have put me back where I need to be speedwise. My system crashing was a blessing in disguise.
:salute:

[thomas7g]

Okay. WE'll just leave it on your side. Good luck with it!! :D

I understand how ya feel. computers age waaaay to fast. Its very astounding how fast our systems become useless.

I hope your upgrade goes well!

[ernie90125]

Thomas - you're gonna have to change your signature to include Logun's Run now !

I agree we should adopt a wait and see approach to this (and indeed many other) production to see how it goes. I think that, because this discussion follows the recent and disappointing Thunderbirds movie, there is a fear that Logun's Run could go the same way, and it is happening on a BSG board !

But partially I feel that this is an unjustifed fear, as Thunderbirds was made by someone else, and we should not judge Tom DeSanto on that other person's movie.

So I'll hope it turns out well, for him, for fans........and for Logan !!!!!

[thomas7g]

Absolutely right Ernie. I think we all remember Thunderbirds. I'm really hoping that Logan's Run goes more like Xmen. After all, that series is about comic book material. Hopefully Logan's run will aim for he same crowd.

I think I'll keep my sig as id for brevities sake. I also don't include Logan's run cause TDS is probably more involved with the other films.

I hope. :D

[oldwardaggit]

Well I know one thing, every time I read about Tom Desanto, he's tagged to a different project. If this keeps up and he's successful, then he might be able to walk right in and grab Galactica and do it right.

But by that time, we will all have to watch it on a Sunday afternoon right after re-runs of murder she wrote and watch it from the comfort of our rooms in and an old age home.

With all due respect to those that like Moore's version, Compared to what we have now, I think the Idea of Boxey being the Commander is an absolute gem. LOL

Logun eats too many beans and ends up on the toilet for days in the new version called ( Loguns Runs )

OWD

[Darth Marley]

The book was much better.
I like any idea that brings it closer to the book.
21 year lifelime limit. Francis is really Ballard. No domed city. Sanctuary is Mars.
Oh yeah, and the DS guns are high tech six-shooters.

Cheney Moon for UN president!

[thomas7g]

Darth! Great input.

I found this review at amazon of the original concept that lead to the first movie

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0899668968/103-3268662-3383046?v=glance

You're probably way too familiar with the 1976 epic Sci Fi movie LOGAN'S RUN. Here is the original novel that inspired the book, but it's hardly recognizable as anything other than a similar theme. Yes, there is Logan and Jessica running from the Sandman named Francis in a post-apocalyptic world where life is ended when youth disappears. But here life ends at 21! There are no domed cities, the entire planet is controlled by the megacomputer, and Logan and Jessica encounter far more than they ever did in the movie. They fight for their lives in the Arctic, get caught in a Civil War recreation with androids, and face the wild jungle of Washington DC where lions and snakes prowl the capital city. SANCTUARY is very real, and society is fraying apart from youth tyranny. The book was an obvious reaction to the youth movement and flower power of the 60s. "Don't trust anyone over 30!" taken to the extreme. It's an easy read, and lots of fun! There is talk in Hollywood of a remake of this, so better to read it now because there are rumblings that they want to stick closer to the novel. And why not? The novel spawned two sequels! -
While I beieve fan speculation often leads to fanatacism, I think this perhaps shows how Tom DeSanto may be thinking. He isn't "kiddifying" this. He most probably is being faithful to the original concept of Logan's Run.

Being faithful to an original concept is a good thing.

:)