Second BSG Trailer with Hatch

[koenigrules]

Here is the second, longer BSG trailer with Hatch at the end of it.
Check it out.
KR

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=pepsiboy71&templatefn=FileSharing7.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.7.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

[thomas7g]

LOL! NOTE this is the second trailer for the new show. NOT, I repeat NOT to be confused with the Second Coming!!!!!!

:)

Thanks for the link :)

[Gemini1999]

Here is the second, longer BSG trailer with Hatch at the end of it.
Check it out.
KR

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=pepsiboy71&templatefn=FileSharing7.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.7.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

KR -

I saw this trailer a while back when it was first mentioned. Someone said that they had seen it on Skiffy, but I missed it. I looked around and found a post that had a link to what I think was the same place you're directing folks too. If nothing else, it is somewhat better than the promo that Skiffy is running most of the time. It also puts Richard's "new era" line in the proper perspective as a scene from one of the episodes he filmed - not something done just for promotional purposes.

Best,
Bryan

[martok2112]

WOW!

I LOVE the new trailer. I await the new series even more eagerly than I did before. This is going to be some very powerful sci-fi television.

I also think that Richard Hatch's presence on the show is only going to augment it. I like where the show is headed. I think that the wisest course of action the show can take (as far as any attempt to resemble the original in spirit or content) is to do it slowly, over time. Not overnight, as I think it would already damage it more than many people perceive it to have been.

It was great being able to see NEW footage from the show instead of just a lot of recycled footage from the miniseries.

Thank you for posting that link, KR. And I must agree that Richard's line seems to be directly taken from a filmed episode of the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. It is not a spin, but a truth. I think it adds great impact to the trailer. And in seeing and hearing just that one line, I can see that Richard Hatch's character is going to be a very interesting one indeed. I think that to have placed any more footage of Mr. Hatch's character any earlier in the trailer would've lessened the impact of his appearance in it.

However, I do want everyone to know that my appreciation for the new trailer DOES NOT come at the expense of my love for the original series. I miss it terribly, and look forward to that GLORIOUS day when we see our original heroes return to the big screen (or small screen) in a continuation, or closer remake.

Respectfully,
Martok2112 :salute:

[PingPongBallEye]

Looks like martok & I are drinking from the same barrel of blood-wine! Thanks from me for the clip, too.

Memo from the I Thot I Taw a Puddy Tat Dep't: in that last scene with Hatch, he has a real retro background. Behind him on the wall (to the left), is that a bank of the old (Classic BSG) Viper control panel switches? Tough to tell but mite be a little Easter egg for the classic fans...

[martok2112]

PingPong, shall I buy the next round? :D

:beer: :beer: :beer: :corona: :corona: :corona: :maitai: :maitai:

Martok the Inebriated :D

[Rowan]

Oh I liked this very much as well! :D
Thank you very much KR :thumbsup:

[Sept17th]

KR, thanks for posting this!

Now that I have seen the trailer with I think zero new Cylon footage "new era" was meant to cheese of us off.

Who ever put this trailer togther gave us a clear message.

"Purist, shut the f@#k up 1978 is the past this IS Battlestar Galactica".

Time will tell. If Colonial Fan Force fails and Aircraftcarrierstar Mooronica is picked for an additional 13 episodes after January that may be true. But right now all the merchandise says TOS is Battlestar Galactica-The Only Way to Fly.

[Micheleh]

Ok, I didn't quite understand tha last one. Sept17th? (I don't mean about the clip being put in there to be a 'purist get tossed' message, which I don't agree with, but that's neither here nor there...) I mean the last bit.

"Time will tell. If Colonial Fan Force fails and Aircraftcarrierstar Mooronica is picked for an additional 13 episodes after January that may be true. But right now all the merchandise says TOS is Battlestar Galactica-The Only Way to Fly."

What do the Fan Force not reaching it's goals and anything about the series have to do with each other? I've heard Bill say many times (I'm paraphrasing, here) that the best way to support the Fan Force is to stop wasting negative energy on the series, and focus on the message of a continuation movie. If you link the two together and imply that one must fail for the other to succeed, you create a huge and unnecessary hurdle right from the start.

You want a continuation, fine. So do I. You think the TOS is the only valid show- also good. Just remember, as I do, how upset we got when people who wanted us to force us to like the new series busted into every thread in which we actually expressed liking for the original show, apparently to simply express negativity. It doesn't help the Fan Force to do the same thing if someone is enjoying a thread where they are looking forward to the new series. Just read it, and say, well, I have better threads to post, so to speak, and go post somehting about the CFF and it's inevitable success.

Just my two cent advice. ;)

[PingPongBallEye]

PingPong, shall I buy the next round? :D

:beer: :beer: :beer: :corona: :corona: :corona: :maitai: :maitai:

Martok the Inebriated :D
As long as you promise not to sing any Klingon opera! :beer: Otherwise, it's on me!

[Sept17th]

Someone, not Richard Hatch or even Ron Moore perhaps Hammer or one of her minions wanted the message that the new series IS Battlestar Galactica now TOS is the past.

If the continuation film is never made and the new series gets picked up for three or more seasons it will be the definitive Battlestar Galactica. Right now it is still TOS.

[Rowan]

Sept17th I guess I just interpreted it differently than you. For one I could not imagine Richard making such a declaration considering how he feels. For another it is a new era for them, the characters on the series because they were living in harmony no cylons for 40 years then everything they know is destroyed they are on the run, and they have a different future ahead of them and that is what I felt Richard was talking about.

(((((((Sept17th ))))))))) I empathize with you, but try not to take this too much to heart!, you end up only hurting you, Bonnie doesn't care and she's not worth it! For those of us that grew up on BSG and who love it it will always be the definitive BSG, no matter how well the new show does or how long this series goes! and no amount of propaganda on the part of Bonnie or whomever is going to change our minds on that!

[Dawg]

The Ron Moore series will never be the definitive Battlestar Galactica.

Never.

Or, if you prefer: TOS will always be the definitive Battlestar Galactica.

Always.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Sept17th]

I know the line is dialog taken out of context from an episode. I believe it was some one editing it in for a little jab at the ungreatful purist bunch.

Really I know its also no big deal just an observation.

[PingPongBallEye]

FWIW, not that anyone asked my opinion, but I was a big Star Trek fan, and when TNG was announced I went apeshoot. Some bald guy in charge? Another android-who-wants-to-be-human, what Roddenberry, the flop of The Questor Tapes wasn't enough for you? And don't even get me started about Wesley...

Long story short: TNG turned out great.

I'm a huge Tolkien geek. I re-read LOTR, oh, about 5 times a year. My wife's present to me on our wedding day was the 50th anniversary hardcover edition of The Hobbit. And when all the news started pouring out about Peter Jackson's film...you guessed it... went apeshoot. Merry & Pippin as comic relief? Gimli as comic relief? Aragorn doesn't want to be king? WTF? NO SCOURING OF THE SHIRE!!! JACKSON YOU F.... well, you get the idea.

Long story short: Jackson da man. If his films are judged a failure, may I someday fail so gloriously.

So as far as the new Galactica, I've determined to break my pattern and not go apeshoot. If it stinks, it'll get cancelled, if it's good...well, heck, is that really a problem?

[shiningstar]

Ok, I didn't quite understand tha last one. Sept17th? (I don't mean about the clip being put in there to be a 'purist get tossed' message, which I don't agree with, but that's neither here nor there...) I mean the last bit.

"Time will tell. If Colonial Fan Force fails and Aircraftcarrierstar Mooronica is picked for an additional 13 episodes after January that may be true. But right now all the merchandise says TOS is Battlestar Galactica-The Only Way to Fly."

What do the Fan Force not reaching it's goals and anything about the series have to do with each other? I've heard Bill say many times (I'm paraphrasing, here) that the best way to support the Fan Force is to stop wasting negative energy on the series, and focus on the message of a continuation movie. If you link the two together and imply that one must fail for the other to succeed, you create a huge and unnecessary hurdle right from the start.

You want a continuation, fine. So do I. You think the TOS is the only valid show- also good. Just remember, as I do, how upset we got when people who wanted us to force us to like the new series busted into every thread in which we actually expressed liking for the original show, apparently to simply express negativity. It doesn't help the Fan Force to do the same thing if someone is enjoying a thread where they are looking forward to the new series. Just read it, and say, well, I have better threads to post, so to speak, and go post somehting about the CFF and it's inevitable success.

Just my two cent advice. ;)

You're right about that Micheleh. That's worth a quarter at least. :rose:

[BST]

Ok, I didn't quite understand tha last one. Sept17th? (I don't mean about the clip being put in there to be a 'purist get tossed' message, which I don't agree with, but that's neither here nor there...) I mean the last bit.

"Time will tell. If Colonial Fan Force fails and Aircraftcarrierstar Mooronica is picked for an additional 13 episodes after January that may be true. But right now all the merchandise says TOS is Battlestar Galactica-The Only Way to Fly."

What do the Fan Force not reaching it's goals and anything about the series have to do with each other? I've heard Bill say many times (I'm paraphrasing, here) that the best way to support the Fan Force is to stop wasting negative energy on the series, and focus on the message of a continuation movie. If you link the two together and imply that one must fail for the other to succeed, you create a huge and unnecessary hurdle right from the start.

You want a continuation, fine. So do I. You think the TOS is the only valid show- also good. Just remember, as I do, how upset we got when people who wanted us to force us to like the new series busted into every thread in which we actually expressed liking for the original show, apparently to simply express negativity. It doesn't help the Fan Force to do the same thing if someone is enjoying a thread where they are looking forward to the new series. Just read it, and say, well, I have better threads to post, so to speak, and go post somehting about the CFF and it's inevitable success.

Just my two cent advice. ;)


Even though I stand with those who prefer TOS only, it begs remembering that some of the folks who are looking forward to the new show, also appear on the CFF contributor list.

:)

**

Michele,

My sincerest appreciation for those words of wisdom. They are right on target and were very eloquently expressed.

:thumbsup:

BST :)

[amberstar]

The Ron Moore series will never be the definitive Battlestar Galactica.

Never.

Or, if you prefer: TOS will always be the definitive Battlestar Galactica.

Always.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:


AGREED!!!!!!!!! ;)

[martok2112]

No disrespect intended....but...

The new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA may not be the definitive BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, but it is an equally legitimate BATTLESTAR GALACTICA..

Long live the new show, but BRING US A CONTINUATION for Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA too!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[hihoag2]

Yes I agree the ending shot is just what is needed and at the right place...
A web to draw the TOS fans in ,,to watch... perhaps to stay
a begining of a whole new era....
I am glad and sad
with the Faith we will have our movie :duck:
Jean

[CommanderTaggart]

Martok 2112 wrote:

The new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA may not be the definitive BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, but it is an equally legitimate BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

I am forced to respectfully disagree with you, Martok. The RDM show is not legitimate Battlestar Galactica any more than Tim Burton's misnamed film is Planet of the Apes. I hear that Burton's new movie based on a certain Roald Dahl book is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rather than Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I like that. Acknowledges that he's doing something different. Stealing the BSG title for RDM's softcore Peyton Place in Space was nothing more than Bait and Switch in my book. It remains to be seen whether that Bait and Switch will ultimately pay off.

I fully accept that there are people who enjoy the RDM show. There were people who liked Ishtar. But I will never, ever, ever acknowledge the RDM show as "legitimate" Galactica. It ain't. It's stolen property. Just ask Eric Christopher James.

[jewels]

I finally took a look at it. Well done trailer. Freaking editor/director knew what they were doing in slicing an enticing setup together. (trailers have never been the problem with this show though ;) ) The usage of the Richard clip: eeeeewwww, I see the painful irony of a dig that Sept. 17th saw, I also see how it is just an appropriate sound byte in an appropriate place for their story/this trailer. Let it be water off a ducks back, and continue holding to our dreams, focused on our little mailing project and what may come of that.

Dang, our Richard can act, though. :) Totally not Apollo there. That is a good thing.

Jewels

[thomas7g]

Tom hands Martok a :beer:


I feel sorry for the poor outnumbered klingon. :salute:

[martok2112]

Martok 2112 wrote:



I am forced to respectfully disagree with you, Martok. The RDM show is not legitimate Battlestar Galactica any more than Tim Burton's misnamed film is Planet of the Apes. I hear that Burton's new movie based on a certain Roald Dahl book is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rather than Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I like that. Acknowledges that he's doing something different. Stealing the BSG title for RDM's softcore Peyton Place in Space was nothing more than Bait and Switch in my book. It remains to be seen whether that Bait and Switch will ultimately pay off.

Then we respectfully agree to disagree, my friend. :) Allow me also to say that I DO NOT acknowledge Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes interpretation as nothing more than a decent popcorn flick.



I fully accept that there are people who enjoy the RDM show. There were people who liked Ishtar. But I will never, ever, ever acknowledge the RDM show as "legitimate" Galactica. It ain't. It's stolen property. Just ask Eric Christopher James.


However, I did not like Ishtar. Ish-tarrible! :D Acknowledgment is up to the individual...and as you and I are two different individuals...well, we have two different acknowledgments. One of us acknowledges this to be BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. The other of us does not. I respect your position, Commander, and nothing will change my respect for your convictions. If anything, please understand that I DO understand your convictions and position.

So, with that said, we shall agree to disagree as gentlemen and friends should.

:salute:
Respectfully,
Martok2112

P.S. Thanks for the beer, Tom. I think I needed that one. :LOL:

[justjackrandom]

I am forced to respectfully disagree with you, Martok. The RDM show is not legitimate Battlestar Galactica any more than Tim Burton's misnamed film is Planet of the Apes. I hear that Burton's new movie based on a certain Roald Dahl book is called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory rather than Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. ...

But I will never, ever, ever acknowledge the RDM show as "legitimate" Galactica. It ain't. It's stolen property. Just ask Eric Christopher James.

I am curious about this. Who is Eric Christopher James? And how is he involved with the rights of ownership of the IP?

I wonder, because that is what it's about. Ownership is what makes it legitimate.
The new BSG may not be preferred, but it is certainly legitimate. Whether we like it or not, whoever owns a property can do with it what they will, as long as the ownership agreement allows for that.


JJR

[Dawg]

Eric, Christopher, and James are the names of Glen Larson's sons.

Larson got money from the RDM production because his was the original material under that name. But he didn't want his name at all associated with this new thing.

See?

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[koenigrules]

What CT is referring to is that some BSG fans do not consider it a legitimate series from TOS perspective- not that RDM illegally made a reimaged version.
The definition here goes beyond the strict, legal interpretation.
And if that's the case, one needs to respect the views of that group.
Correct me if I'm wrong, CT.
:/:

[Dawg]

No, the legal issues are secondary in a discussion about which is the "definitive" BSG. Universal owns the TV rights, Glen Larson owns the theatrical rights. Universal had the legal right to use the name recognition of Battlestar Galactica to peddle what most (not some) fans feel is a vastly inferior product.

Creator Larson was unhappy with the direction the production took. It does not reflect anything of what he created. Therefore, when the RDM production was required to acknowledge him with a credit, he declined to have his name associated with this and used the first names of his sons instead.

It should tell you something that the man who created Battlestar Galactica wants nothing to do with the new production of that name.

Of course, this does not reflect on the enjoyment potential the new series has to offer, should you choose (and should you be able) to ignore all this.

But it is not, in any way, shape or form, "definitive" Battlestar Galactica. The Definitive BSG began in 1978 and still awaits its growth and updating to 21st Century storytelling. The new show doesn't even qualify (in my opinion) as an imitation. The legalities of who owns the name doesn't really enter into that discussion.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[justjackrandom]

Thanks for the clarifications. While I do not always agree with the views of everyone on this forum, I always respect those views, primarily because most of the time they are well argued and intellectually stimulating. It’s one of the reasons I like Fleets.

Because we communicate exclusively in the written language here (okay, some symbolic language if we count the smilies), our use of the language is import if we are to avoid misunderstandings (I can be really bad at this if I am in a hurry). I thought I understood where CT was going until he brought up that last point about the IP being stolen. For me, that changed the meaning of ‘legitimate’ in the context of his usage. I sincerely apologize if my request for clarification came across poorly and upset or offended anyone. There was no disrespect of CT or his views intended.

:salute:

JJR

[CommanderTaggart]

Appreciate it Martok, KR, and JJR (and you, too, Dawg, for jumping in while I was swamped elsewhere).

My use of the word "stolen" was not meant in the literal sense... as, yes, Universal Studios does own the television rights to BSG and can do with those rights as they see fit. However, in my mind, the words "stolen" and "hijacked" remain appropriate inasmuch as the new series project was "stolen" from DeSanto (Universal never had the guts to tell him to his face) while he was still madly working away at it, and stolen from its creator, in that (unlike DeSanto and Singer before him), Moore, Eick, and Hammer, et. al. didn't seek Mr. Larson's blessing, and even tried to get out of paying him one red cent.

Those actions are, in my opinion, shadowy at best, and unadulterated theivery at worst. The RDM show, in my esitmation, exists under a cloud of dishonorable intent, and for that reason alone it will never earn my support. I further believe all of that bad karma will play a big part in the sooner-than-anticipated demise of the show.

Time will tell.

[martok2112]

While it may be true that Mr. Larson did not wish to have his name associated with the new show...it was unavoidable in certain respects.

The most obvious being that the credit: "Based on the screenplay: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA by Glen A. Larson." That was something that could not be denied.

However, Mr. Larson also got a credit as "Consulting Producer".

I am not saying at all that Mr. Larson enjoyed seeing his name associcated with the new show, but it was still unavoidable in most respects.

I know we will all feel better when, on that glorious day, a revived, classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA hits the big (or small) screen, and Mr. Glen A. Larson can put his stamp of approval on it. That is something that all of us as GALACTICA fans have in common.

The biggest dividing line between some of the Galactica fans is probably this. There are those of us who can see both productions of GALACTICA, and acknowledge them as seperate and distinctly different versions of the same entity. And I will agree with my Classic brothers and sisters that the Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA IS (without a shadow of a doubt) the DEFINITIVE vision of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. And there are those of us who cannot reconcile anything about the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, whatsoever. For them, a serious slap to the face has been taken because this new show is so different, and in many ways looks like the face of a stranger with questionable intent. As much so as it is difficult for them to look into the eyes of the new characters who have the same names of the classic heroes. These characters are "strangers" to my Classic brothers and sisters...and strangers not to be entirely trusted by them either. And these differences I have listed are just the tip of the iceberg for them. The new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA crosses many lines for them...and thus it does not stand with them.

Perhaps I can put it like this: (NOTE: Not to be taken as justification..simply an analogy.)
Relating to it in terms of "X-men".
I DO NOT acknowledge the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA as an "evolution" of the Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. Rather it is a mutation. (To me, mutation does not necessarily equate to evolution.)

It is one of those mutations that looks and in some ways sounds like the original strain, but is very uniquely different.

And as with the "mutants" in X-men, this particular mutant is not desired by a great many, and they would rather that this mutation be sent to the grave as quickly and legally as possible.

And there are some who tolerate, and can even coexist with this mutation.

And there will always be debate as to the viability and quality of life that this mutation can lead, and what benefit it may or may not serve.

End analogy.

However, I am in NO rush whatsoever to see the show die a quick death. If it does, it does, but personally I hope it goes on for several seasons. Again, it is a personal wish, and in no way meant to be a dig, or a rub in the eyes and faces of my Classic Galactica brothers and sisters.

Everyone here has given good, respectable, heartfelt and passionate opinions about their love for any and all things GALACTICA. Some agree...some disagree...and as long as we can all agree to disagree when needed...then this is a much better place for it.

(((((((((((((((((((((((ALL GALACTICA FANS!!!!!!))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[thomas7g]

JJR- part of the controversy is because a BG revival was in production. Sets and vipers were being built to bring back the old show. Then there was a slowdown cause of 911. That caused a production conflict with Xmen2 cause both were DeSanto productions. DeSanto was legally obligated to move onto Xmen.

The BG production was temporarily stopped. Sets and props were put into storage.

Then Scifi Channel led by Bonnie Hammer took over. They had the partially rebuilt bridge set and vipers and everything else destroyed. Literally they ordered crews to take sledgehammers to it. Then they did a version they wanted to do.

Course that is partially due to Universal wanting to make their show different to weaken Glen Larson's legal claim on it. But in the end the court said the new show MUST give a credit to Larson. So Larson made up the name "Eric Christopher James".

:D

[Reverend Dr Syn]

Here I go once again begging to get my happy ass booted out.



WOW!

I LOVE the new trailer. I await the new series even more eagerly than I did before. This is going to be some very powerful sci-fi television.

I also think that Richard Hatch's presence on the show is only going to augment it.


That's exactly my fear. It'll only further legitimize this pretender, and thats the worst possible thing that could possibly happen.

It may be Battlestar Galactica in name, but thats ALL it is.

This series is the worst possible thing that could ever have happened to the name Battlestar Galactica. Yes, even more so than Galactica 1980. Yes, it wasnt very good. At least it managed to hold onto more elements of what made BSG, BSG than RDM is doing.




And you can bet now if this show gets accepted, then any chance of a continuation can and will be crippled severely .


And as with the "mutants" in X-men, this particular mutant is not desired by a great many, and they would rather that this mutation be sent to the grave as quickly and legally as possible.

And as in X-Men there are good mutants and bad ones. Moore's version is the bad mutant. It would be the best thing for the franchise that this die ASAP and be swept under the rug and forgotten as quickly as possible, like with Galactica 1980. Otherwise the longer it lasts the less and less likely the general public will want to see a revival. Old generally equals bad in the publics eye, especially when theres something new to replace it. Thats why not one single movie based on a classic TV show takes place within the continuity it was based on. Even Ben Stiller's "Starsky and Hutch", while still taking place in the 70's was a complete reboot, to negate and replace the original series. Thats exactly what RDM wants to do, REPLACE the classic. The general public isnt capable of dealing with two completely different continuities running simultaneously.

[jewels]

Actually, since these shows are so VERY different (RDM's and classic BSG) I think the public is savvy enough to take them as 2 different entities. Especially if one stays in the theatrical film venue and the other on a 2 bit basic cable station that forgets what type of programming it's name implies.

Especially when you start racking up the the number of "what the ???? was that?" you've heard from casual viewers who thought they were getting something more similar to the Galactica they knew growing up.

I don't fear Christopher Reeves' "Superman: The Movie" ever being overwritten by Smallville or even Singer's new Superman production. Why fear a show that was only watched by 3-4 million people overriding something that was a major network phenomenon and had the highest rating of a scifi series EVER. The ratings were initially in the same ballpark as The Cosby Show at it's height. And the Cosby show wasn't pre-empted 8 out of 17 showings as Galactica was. (No one will ever beat either of them for ratings because the multiplicity of channels now available mean the market (audience) is too divided.)

Some people will like the new show. Some people like reality TV too. (I understand the latter less). And only a guy named Glen Larson really has any control over whether a movie of BSG (his BSG) gets made. A lot of fan-motivated, fan PR assisted productions were made this year (Farscape, Serenity, and don't count out that 30 million dollar flick of Mel Gibson's that was grass roots supported into close to 400 million in theater gross.

Hollywood is lost, not knowing what to do next. So they look to the past. We get horridly thought through remakes (with a few shining stars from producers/directors that understand their audience--Jackson's King Kong could be one of those.) Don't count Galactica (the classic continued) down until the man that created it says so. And that CFF ad tomorrow might just remind him that it's not out, it's just waiting on him. :D

[martok2112]

Here I go once again begging to get my happy ass booted out.






That's exactly my fear. It'll only further legitimize this pretender, and thats the worst possible thing that could possibly happen.

It may be Battlestar Galactica in name, but thats ALL it is.

This series is the worst possible thing that could ever have happened to the name Battlestar Galactica. Yes, even more so than Galactica 1980. Yes, it wasnt very good. At least it managed to hold onto more elements of what made BSG, BSG than RDM is doing.




And you can bet now if this show gets accepted, then any chance of a continuation can and will be crippled severely .




And as in X-Men there are good mutants and bad ones. Moore's version is the bad mutant. It would be the best thing for the franchise that this die ASAP and be swept under the rug and forgotten as quickly as possible, like with Galactica 1980. Otherwise the longer it lasts the less and less likely the general public will want to see a revival. Old generally equals bad in the publics eye, especially when theres something new to replace it. Thats why not one single movie based on a classic TV show takes place within the continuity it was based on. Even Ben Stiller's "Starsky and Hutch", while still taking place in the 70's was a complete reboot, to negate and replace the original series. Thats exactly what RDM wants to do, REPLACE the classic. The general public isnt capable of dealing with two completely different continuities running simultaneously.


Rev, my friend, you have stated your passions about the show. That is NOT gonna get you booted out. Trust me, when i say that you are in the MAJORITY here with your opinions, and I think you will find a lot of people here giving you the "very nicely put" accolade for what you've just now said.

You and I disagree, but that is what this board is for. Trust me, I don't think you are gonna get booted off for this well stated sentiment.

So, on that, as with myself and Commander Taggart, we shall agree to disagree.

Well stated, Rev.
:salute:
Martok2112

[thomas7g]

Rev, you are just saying your opinion. Everyone has a right to say how they feel about the show.

I think the problem comes when fans get so upset that they feel defensive, and that they must smother anyone else with an opposite opinion. And I mean SMOTHER. HARD. That brings conflict. That brings anger and hate and infighting. But we are well above that pit.

:D

I do think though you are making several erroneous leaps. Like assuming the new show is the main hurdle for the original show. Unless you know someone or are included in the discussions to bring it back, that is a leap. And you are basing your opinions on that. Arguably its seems very logical for FANS. But Hollywood doesn't obey fan-logic anymore than criminal courts follow CNN polls. And Hollywood has its own logic with hurdles that aren't publicized. And to REALLY know WHAT is delaying Battlestar Galactica, you have to be able to hear what's going on at the top. And you're not in the loop.

So while you may feel certain, you can also be wrong. ;)

turboviper

And wrong is a good thing here. Being wrong here means compartmentalizing the return of the original apart from the new show. Which places you in a much stronger position. Everytime something good happens to the new show, it won't feel like a dagger through your heart. And frankly if you don't do that, you are going to go through alot of unecessary pain cause there will be alot of articles of good news for it over the next year at least. Basing your love of Galactica on hate of the new show will put you in a weak position.

Also it means that you aren't polar to alot of people who love our old show. What is good news to them makes you want to gripe and rain on their parade. And what depresses them, makes you want to cheer and rub it in. Which brings pointless conflict to your life, cause no one big cares about fan infighting. And do you want to feel pain and waste your nights.

Its just a tv show. How do you want it to effect you?

:salute:

[martok2112]

Also, well stated, good Thomas7g.

There are some though that cannot compartmentalize the GALACTICA shows...not in a favorable light anyway. That is not saying anything bad about those people, for they truly do feel wounded (at the very least) that the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA does not follow the conventions of the original, Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

Rev, if I may also say so without sounding disrespectful to you, but I do not believe you are giving the general public enough credit. I do think that they can differentiate, and appreciate two incarnations of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

The biggest problem with society today is that everyone thinks everyone else is stupid. Well, that is a result of which artforms we choose to follow...in my humble opinion. People that like to listen to aggressive, heavy, often profanity laced rock, or rap tend to think of anyone else that may listen to easier going forms of rock or rap, (or that simply lead a much more easy going, peaceful lifestyle...and yes, I've seen this happen) as stupid.

Go into a Hot Topic store sometime, and 85% of what you will find in the way of clothes are t-shirts that are designed to have the wearer profess some kind of mental superiority over everyone else. (The shirts are meant as a joke, but unfortunately, the wearers tend to take them seriously.) I don't want to get started on this tirade...so I will stop here.

My bottom line is that the general public is smarter than they are given credit for.

Long Live BATTLESTAR GALACTICA :colonial:
Long Live BATTLESTAR GALACTICA :bg04:

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Ian_W359]

I'm just feeling a bit jaded at the moment, so forgive me if this goes a little astray. :nervous:

When I heard that Star Trek : TNG was coming out, I didn't feel that Kirk & Co. were being compromised in any way - the new show was in the same universe, but it was just a different time - another page of history to be written. Linking back to the classic series and the movies gave it the credo it needed to be successful.

On BSG however, I do now see the new show as a separate entity to the original. I can't tell you if I like it or not yet, I'd prefer to see the finished product, hopefully it'll give more depth than the mini, (the trailer didn't grab me too much either - but just watch me when a Star Wars trailer is released!) And yes, I do think that bolting a clip of RH on the end was quite a cynical move on the part of Sci-fi (can't quite get used to calling it Skiffy yet!) - it could be interpreted a number of ways.

Ho hum,
Ian W359

Battlestar Ishtaria :D

[Reverend Dr Syn]

You think my repetitive sentiments are well thought out? Usually Im branded the "Living in the past troll who cannot accept change"

I do think that they can differentiate, and appreciate two incarnations of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

The biggest problem with society today is that everyone thinks everyone else is stupid.


Well, people DO think wrestling is real and think professional athletes deserve to be respected and paid more than teachers. Take American Pie series for instance. Youd think the premise of pastry fornication wouldnt carry ONE movie, yet they managed to get THREE out of it. "Friends" managed to get several seasons out of the exact same "Character or group of characters lies to another character or group of characters and carrires on the lie untill it blows up in his/her/Their face" plot. In fact, thats the only plot ALL sitcoms have.

Looks are considered viable substitutions for talent. Tom Cruise, Halle Berry and Ashton Kutcher get all the good roles. When's the last time you saw Steve Buscimi or Christopher Walken, guys who don't get by on their looks, get the romantic lead in a film? Ill tell you why. Because we live in a vain society that focuses too hard on unrealistic and for many unnattainable standards of beauty.


And dont tell me BAYWATCH lasted as long as it did because of thought-provoking episodes and character development. Nobody ever went broke UNDERESTIMATING the intelligence of the public. I do not feel my sentiments are without solid basis.

I admit Im a hardened cynic. But Ive gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed against the rocks. I wont make the mistake of celebrating a victory untill its actually there ever again. Anything can happen between now and any possible continuation to stop it. Untill the first day the movie shows in any theatre, Im not gonna count my Ovions before they hatch.



If a vain, shallow nature didnt exist within the nature of the general populace, Starbuck and Boomer wouldnt have needed to be changed. They did all these changes because they felt that Baltar humping Cylons was what the public wants to see. Supply and demand. You dont give the people what they want, you dont get their money, or in this case ratings. If this does well in the ratings it will mean this is what they want.

[martok2112]

You think my repetitive sentiments are well thought out? Usually Im branded the "Living in the past troll who cannot accept change"

Yes, they are well thought out, and No..because you have not been disrespectful. I think you and I had gotten off on the wrong foot initially, (may have been my doing), but I see your viewpoints, and they are shared by most on this board. Some a little more vehemently than others. But we all get along.

Trust me..I am living in the past about a LOT of things, but they're not exactly Galactica. Let's just say that sometimes my "conservative" views tend to draw the evil eye upon me. :D




Well, people DO think wrestling is real and think professional athletes deserve to be respected and paid more than teachers. Take American Pie series for instance. Youd think the premise of pastry fornication wouldnt carry ONE movie, yet they managed to get THREE out of it. "Friends" managed to get several seasons out of the exact same "Character or group of characters lies to another character or group of characters and carrires on the lie untill it blows up in his/her/Their face" plot. In fact, thats the only plot ALL sitcoms have.


Oh, and believe me...I have met plenty of my share of people who DO think that wrestling is real. But they do not comprise the entirety of the general public. ;) I have never really been much of one for sports (whether real sports, or sports entertainment--as "Professional wrestling" is properly classified). One day, I am sitting in a Hooters in Charleston, WV. I can't remember if it was WV State, or Marshall U, that was having its backyard brawl with Michigan St. I was just sitting at the bar, enjoying a Coke (and the view of the waitresses), not even paying attention to the game. Most of the room naturally was rooting for WV...but there were two in the place who were rooting for Michigan. And Michigan was kicking the pogees out of WV. Well, naturally, the two guys rooting for Michigan were happy as daggits on plant vapor (best simile I could come up with LOL), and were very vocal about it...to the dismay of a couple of real redneck types who decided to berate them. "Yeah, you guys are so (expletive deleted) sweet! Why the (expletive deleted) don't'cha move the (expletive deleted) up there, you (expletive deleted) love 'em so (expletive deleted) much!"
I simply looked at my lovely waitress and raised my hands, saying (quietly to be sure) : "My point is proven. Some people take this crap too personally. It's just a game."

It's really sad when you see someone get tore up over seeing their favorite wrestler lose.

Rumor has it there is a fourth American Pie movie on the way. Two words --Alyson Hannigan.== NUFF SAID :D



Looks are considered viable substitutions for talent. Tom Cruise, Halle Berry and Ashton Kutcher get all the good roles. When's the last time you saw Steve Buscimi or Christopher Walken, guys who don't get by on their looks, get the romantic lead in a film? Ill tell you why. Because we live in a vain society that focuses too hard on unrealistic and for many unnattainable standards of beauty.


(Well...two out of the three --Tom and Halle-- are talented. :D )

And the beauty that is often portrayed...not unrealistic at all...just visit any Hooters. At least 75% of the waitresses in most of those restaurants do pull it off. :D (Just a rib, Rev. ;) )

Way of the world, unfortunately. We as human beings are wired to appreciate natural beauty, and fake beauty, on an initially superficial level. We are repulsed initially by that which is not pleasing to the eye.

To draw a paraphrase from the movie "Liar, Liar!"

Little boy: "My teacher always said that real beauty is on the inside."
Jim Carrey: "Some ugly person probably made that up."


(Don't worry...I don't take that to heart.) :)

But, as real life human beings, and not fictional characters, we learn to see beyond that which may initially repulse us, or at the very least, simply not warrant a second visual effort from us.

In dealing with seeing "beautiful" movie stars on screen getting all the choice romantic lead roles, well..we only have to deal with that for a couple hours at a time. The people that matter to us are the ones we can see, hear, and touch.
And they are usually the "biggest" stars in our lives. :)


(To be completely honest with you, my favorite character from Scooby Doo--cartoon or live action film-- was Velma Dinkley. :) )


And dont tell me BAYWATCH lasted as long as it did because of thought-provoking episodes and character development. Nobody ever went broke UNDERESTIMATING the intelligence of the public. I do not feel my sentiments are without solid basis.


I found BAYWATCH to be very thought provoking. Umm...well....ahem...some of those thoughts probably couldn't be repeated here..but ...ummm....one of them was "How did Pamela Anderson fit her hooters into her bathing suit?" :D

(Just being facetious, Rev. :D)

Actually, no, the show wasn't really thought provoking at all. You're right, it did get by on its glamour appeal. As long as we are human beings, and as long as we remain wired the way we are...that kind of beauty is always gonna make the first impression on us. Physical attraction is ALWAYS the first attraction.

'Fer cryin' out Pete's Sakes...they even tried to do some kind of darker, supposedly ghoulish spinoff called "BAYWATCH NIGHTS" or some crappola like that. Lasted about as long as an explosion in space on Battlestar Galactica.

This may sound rather crass, (and I guess this makes me a "looks-ist") but, if ya got it, FLAUNT IT!



I admit Im a hardened cynic. But Ive gotten my hopes up too many times only to have them dashed against the rocks. I wont make the mistake of celebrating a victory untill its actually there ever again. Anything can happen between now and any possible continuation to stop it. Untill the first day the movie shows in any theatre, Im not gonna count my Ovions before they hatch.


Well stated, Rev. Although I am more optimistic..there is a part of me that refuses to hold my breath. (Generally, my lungs.) ;)




If a vain, shallow nature didnt exist within the nature of the general populace, Starbuck and Boomer wouldnt have needed to be changed. They did all these changes because they felt that Baltar humping Cylons was what the public wants to see. Supply and demand. You dont give the people what they want, you dont get their money, or in this case ratings. If this does well in the ratings it will mean this is what they want.


Bread and circusses, my friend. Bread and circusses.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Reverend Dr Syn]

I suppose thats fair enough. Sorry, frustration runs high these days. In LOTS of things.

Im just glad this isnt the newsgroup. People are taunting TOSers with the whole Hatch thing. I mean really rubbing their faces with the whole "Your hero threw in the towel!" thing. Not saying it excuses my bad attitude, but I certainly didnt wake up one morning with it there.


Newsgroups will certainly sour your view on humanity. Dont even get me started on a viscious next of vipers Transformers fans can be.

[shiningstar]

Eric, Christopher, and James are the names of Glen Larson's sons.

Larson got money from the RDM production because his was the original material under that name. But he didn't want his name at all associated with this new thing.

See?

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

I remember reading somewhere where Larson said exactly That. I just don't
remember when or where I read that :P:

[julix]

Martok and Rev....


Wanted to make some comments on your posts, I think you both made some good points. here is my opinion on it and I state that because it is just my opinion and nothing more. As far as unrealistic or unattainable beauty in Hollywood.......The problem I have of a lot of the beauty shown there is not real(they are always exceptions)They have all had Lipo, tummy tucks, botox and the Lords of kobal only know what else. This is unrealisic except for those who have the money and want to undergo the knife and take the risks associated with such procedures. Why do you think there are shows like extreme makeover, Nip Tuck and Dr. 90210...all showing the glories of plastic surgery and how "ugly" people can become "beautiful" if enough work is done. This says nothing about what kind of person they are and I would love shows helping people to become better parents or better citizens or better people in general....but where is that goal at...where are those shows? See when the beauty in Hollywood is getting higher and higher so to speak it does make some people feel worse about their lives/looks. More and more young girls are having eating disorders at younger then ever ages....more and more girls are considering breast implants at younger then ever ages.....i frankly am worried about where this is headed especially since i have a 5 year old daughter. And yes, I will answer a question that may be directed back to me...i do have self-esteem problems so I am overly sensitive to this topic. But I still think I have raised a valid concern, We all do like to look at beautiful people....it is natural but when so much of it is plastic where is it going to lead. I read something about a ripple effect. And I think that is what is happening with plastic surgery and the general population, if someone in my neighborhood got botox, and then the other women or men see the person looks younger, better....etc the it spawns other people to go have it done and so on and so on. For example half of the women in Hollywood look the same age whether they are 28or 55. Anyway...I guess I have ranted enough...still wish I could express my thoughts better through writing, I feel like I don't convey the thoughts right.....sigh

[martok2112]

Martok and Rev....


Wanted to make some comments on your posts, I think you both made some good points. here is my opinion on it and I state that because it is just my opinion and nothing more. As far as unrealistic or unattainable beauty in Hollywood.......The problem I have of a lot of the beauty shown there is not real(they are always exceptions)They have all had Lipo, tummy tucks, botox and the Lords of kobal only know what else. This is unrealisic excepts for those who have the money and want to undergo the knife and take the risks associated with such procedures. Why do you think there are shows like extreme makeover, Nip Tuck and Dr. 90210...all showing the glories of plastic surgery and how "ugly" people can become "beautiful" if enough work is done. This says nothing about what kind of person they are and I would love shows helping people to become better parents or better citizens or better people in general....but where is that goal? See when the beauty in Hoolywood is getting higher and higher so to speak it does make some people feel worse about their lives/looks. More and more young girls are having eating disorders at younger then ever ages....more and more girls are considering breast implants at younger then ever ages.....i frankly am worried about where this is headed especially since i have a 5 year old daughter. And yes, I will answer a question that may be directed back to me...i do have self-esteem problems so I am overly sensitive to this topic. But I still think I have raised a valid concern, We all do like to look at beautiful people....it is natural but when so much of it is plastic where is it going to lead. I read something about a ripple effect. And I think that is what is happening with plastic surgery and the general population, if someone in my neighborhood got botox, and then the other women or men see the person looks younger, better....etc the it spawns other people to go have it done and so on and so on. For example half of the women in Hollywood look the same age whether they are 28or 55. Anyway...I guess I have ranted enough...still wish I could express my thought better through writing, I feel like I don't convey the thoughts right.....sigh


My dear friend, Julix, you have also brought up some very, very good points...especially about eating disorders among young women/young girls. It is truly sad that in our society, there are those women/girls who tend to think that if they are anywhere over 90 or 100 lbs. that they are overweight. There is an ideal weight associated with a person's height, and unfortunately, many such women and girls seem to think that that is even "fat".

Many supermodels are to blame for this eating disorder (Called bulemia, if I remember correctly.) They throw up after they eat, and it is self-induced. That habit has filtered down into the general populace, and sometimes with very devastating results.

I for one do NOT think it is sexy when one can see a supermodel's ribcage even just barely visible through the skin. I think it is downright disgusting.

And many people do go "under the knife" for the wrong reasons. For vanity, and what not.

Some people go through liposuctions and tummy tucks to try and help themselves cut back on their eating. (This is better than ..I just wanna look beautiful.) However, this requires discipline as much as any other physical change we endeavor to take on, regardless of whether or not the change is acquired naturally or surgically. You can end up right where you were before your surgery, and sometimes with devastating results.


To lighten things up a bit, a joke is brought to mind here:

A woman decides that she is sick and tired of the wrinkles appearing on her face, and she wishes to have plastic surgery performed on her to make her look years younger, and eliminate the offensive wrinkles. The doctor she consults recommends a new procedure.

"It is totally non-invasive, and all it requires is a simple grafting. It is a tiny crank that we graft onto the back of your neck. When wrinkles form, you simply turn the crank a tiny bit, your skin tightens up, and the wrinkles are gone. And it's a mere fraction of the cost of plastic surgery."

Overjoyed, the woman agrees to the procedure. The crank is grafted onto the back of her neck. Whenever she sees a wrinkle form, she turns the crank, and she looks like a 25 year old again.

One day, several wrinkles had formed on her face at a very inopportune time, and she was furious. So she turns the crank FURIOUSLY and goes to bed.

The next morning she wakes up, looks in the mirror and :eek:, she sees what appear to be giant sacks under her eyes. She goes to the doctor that performed the grafting and shows him the sacks, explaining that they appeared after she gave the crank a few VIGOROUS turns.

The doctor shakes his head and replies: "Ma'am, those aren't sacks under your eyes...those are your breasts."

The lady replies: "Oh, well that explains the goatee then."

PA DUM BUM!


By the way, this is the entirety of the joke whose punchline appears in my story "Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus", for those of you who may have wondered. :D


Shameless plug over.
Respectfully,
Martok2112

[shiningstar]

My dear friend, Julix, you have also brought up some very, very good points...especially about eating disorders among young women/young girls. It is truly sad that in our society, there are those women/girls who tend to think that if they are anywhere over 90 or 100 lbs. that they are overweight. There is an ideal weight associated with a person's height, and unfortunately, many such women and girls seem to think that that is even "fat".

Many supermodels are to blame for this eating disorder (Called bulemia, if I remember correctly.) They throw up after they eat, and it is self-induced. That habit has filtered down into the general populace, and sometimes with very devastating results.

I for one do NOT think it is sexy when one can see a supermodel's ribcage even just barely visible through the skin. I think it is downright disgusting.

And many people do go "under the knife" for the wrong reasons. For vanity, and what not.

Some people go through liposuctions and tummy tucks to try and help themselves cut back on their eating. (This is better than ..I just wanna look beautiful.) However, this requires discipline as much as any other physical change we endeavor to take on, regardless of whether or not the change is acquired naturally or surgically. You can end up right where you were before your surgery, and sometimes with devastating results.


To lighten things up a bit, a joke is brought to mind here:

A woman decides that she is sick and tired of the wrinkles appearing on her face, and she wishes to have plastic surgery performed on her to make her look years younger, and eliminate the offensive wrinkles. The doctor she consults recommends a new procedure.

"It is totally non-invasive, and all it requires is a simple grafting. It is a tiny crank that we graft onto the back of your neck. When wrinkles form, you simply turn the crank a tiny bit, your skin tightens up, and the wrinkles are gone. And it's a mere fraction of the cost of plastic surgery."

Overjoyed, the woman agrees to the procedure. The crank is grafted onto the back of her neck. Whenever she sees a wrinkle form, she turns the crank, and she looks like a 25 year old again.

One day, several wrinkles had formed on her face at a very inopportune time, and she was furious. So she turns the crank FURIOUSLY and goes to bed.

The next morning she wakes up, looks in the mirror and :eek:, she sees what appear to be giant sacks under her eyes. She goes to the doctor that performed the grafting and shows him the sacks, explaining that they appeared after she gave the crank a few VIGOROUS turns.

The doctor shakes his head and replies: "Ma'am, those aren't sacks under your eyes...those are your breasts."

The lady replies: "Oh, well that explains the goatee then."

PA DUM BUM!


By the way, this is the entirety of the joke whose punchline appears in my story "Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus", for those of you who may have wondered. :D


Shameless plug over.
Respectfully,
Martok2112 :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[justjackrandom]

As far as unrealistic or unattainable beauty in Hollywood.......The problem I have of a lot of the beauty shown there is not real(they are always exceptions)They have all had Lipo, tummy tucks, botox and the Lords of kobal only know what else. This is unrealisic except for those who have the money and want to undergo the knife and take the risks associated with such procedures. Why do you think there are shows like extreme makeover, Nip Tuck and Dr. 90210...all showing the glories of plastic surgery and how "ugly" people can become "beautiful" if enough work is done. This says nothing about what kind of person they are and I would love shows helping people to become better parents or better citizens or better people in general....but where is that goal at...where are those shows? See when the beauty in Hollywood is getting higher and higher so to speak it does make some people feel worse about their lives/looks. More and more young girls are having eating disorders at younger then ever ages....more and more girls are considering breast implants at younger then ever ages.....i frankly am worried about where this is headed especially since i have a 5 year old daughter. And yes, I will answer a question that may be directed back to me...i do have self-esteem problems so I am overly sensitive to this topic. But I still think I have raised a valid concern, We all do like to look at beautiful people....it is natural but when so much of it is plastic where is it going to lead. I read something about a ripple effect. And I think that is what is happening with plastic surgery and the general population, if someone in my neighborhood got botox, and then the other women or men see the person looks younger, better....etc the it spawns other people to go have it done and so on and so on. For example half of the women in Hollywood look the same age whether they are 28or 55. Anyway...I guess I have ranted enough...still wish I could express my thoughts better through writing, I feel like I don't convey the thoughts right.....sigh


Its not just Hollywood, Julix. In fact, I would have to take the blame into corporate America, where suits with something to sell use what amounts to brainwashing techniques to sell their products. The ad industry is really to blame for what is considered “beautiful” today. NPR has done several stories on it, and a number of books have been written about what a crisis it has become in society. My daughter is not quite 2, and I am already worried about how this crap will affect her.

As for just how real that beauty is: I don’t know if it is the case anymore, but when I first moved to Dallas, we had more plastic surgeons per capita than any other city in the country. Even many of those who want to fit the “ideal” that DON’T get their looks under the knife spend hours upon hours worrying and working towards the goal of looking what they consider “beautiful”. While this makes them pretty, it can often ruin them as human beings…and again with the worries about my daughter… Like you, I feel like there is much more I want to say, but I am having trouble formulating the ideas properly. Much too close to the subject, I guess...

JJR

[shiningstar]

Its not just Hollywood, Julix. In fact, I would have to take the blame into corporate America, where suits with something to sell use what amounts to brainwashing techniques to sell their products. The ad industry is really to blame for what is considered “beautiful” today. NPR has done several stories on it, and a number of books have been written about what a crisis it has become in society. My daughter is not quite 2, and I am already worried about how this crap will affect her.

As for just how real that beauty is: I don’t know if it is the case anymore, but when I first moved to Dallas, we had more plastic surgeons per capita than any other city in the country. Even many of those who want to fit the “ideal” that DON’T get their looks under the knife spend hours upon hours worrying and working towards the goal of looking what they consider “beautiful”. While this makes them pretty, it can often ruin them as human beings…and again with the worries about my daughter… Like you, I feel like there is much more I want to say, but I am having trouble formulating the ideas properly. Much too close to the subject, I guess...

JJR Good points JJR .........Keep Posting. :)

[julix]

JJR
I agree corperate America and Ad agencys are a part of the problem as well....I was addressing Hollywood cause of an earlier post. I am trying to teach my daughter to believe in herself and to care about all things about her not just her looks and i am tryng to improve myself because you have to teach by example. i give my kids unconditional love and accept them for who they are not who i would like them to be. I encourage things they are interested in and try to encourage them to find solutions...as parents all we can do is the best we can. I am worried as I stated that this won't be enough for her.

[shiningstar]

JJR
I agree corperate America and Ad agencys are a part of the problem as well....I was addressing Hollywood cause of an earlier post. I am trying to teach my daughter to believe in herself and to care about all things about her not just her looks and i am tryng to improve myself because you have to teach by example. i give my kids unconditional love and accept them for who they are not who i would like them to be. I encourage things they are interested in and try to encourage them to find solutions...as parents all we can do is the best we can. I am worried as I stated that this won't be enough for her. I feel the same way Julix.

[julix]

I feel the same way Julix.



I know Shiningstar :heart:

[callsignfalcon]

I like both series', I want both series'.

Thanks for posting the promo!!

^__^ Falcon

*poofs back to lurkerdom*

[martok2112]

JJR
I agree corperate America and Ad agencys are a part of the problem as well....I was addressing Hollywood cause of an earlier post. I am trying to teach my daughter to believe in herself and to care about all things about her not just her looks and i am tryng to improve myself because you have to teach by example. i give my kids unconditional love and accept them for who they are not who i would like them to be. I encourage things they are interested in and try to encourage them to find solutions...as parents all we can do is the best we can. I am worried as I stated that this won't be enough for her.


Yes, it is very important that children learn individuality, self-reliance, self-faith. (This coming from a guy who has no kids.) ;)

I don't know what further to say without sounding presumptuous, except to say:

ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE! ;)

Respectfully, and with the best of wishes to parents everywhere,
Martok2112

[Redeye]

Greetings!

I'm new to these message boards.

Rather than have duelling franchises, perhaps those who continue to favor revival could look upon the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA differently by referring to a revival with a new name: GALACTICA CLASSIC!

I favor both franchises. ;)

[shiningstar]

Greetings!

I'm new to these message boards.

Rather than have duelling franchises, perhaps those who continue to favor revival could look upon the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA differently by referring to a revival with a new name: GALACTICA CLASSIC!

I favor both franchises. ;)

Welcome to the fleets Redeye :D

[martok2112]

Q'apla and welcome, Redeye!

In some ways there is a little reconciliation of the new show for some of us here. Take the short hand method for example. If you type in T-O-S or T-N-S (without the hyphenated spaces) you get the original Battlestar Galactica series or the Ron Moore Battlestar Galactica series .

There are some who will never be able to refer to the new series by its current name, as it still is a festering wound in their hearts. (I can fully understand that..and their refusal to call it by its name...even to go so far as to avoid using the short hand for TNS.)

As long as we all can just get along...I don't care if anyone calls the new Galactica "Ishtar's Revenge by Ed Wood"...just as long as we all get along. :)

We all live in the Yellow Battlestar...Yellow Battlestar...Yellow Battlestar.

Welcome, Redeye, once again to the grand endeavor of the Colonial Fleets.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[jeditemple]

I too felt that the final shot with Hatch was a deliberate jab...and it was below the belt. I don't think we're misinterpreting the irony here.

I was NOT impressed with the clip. I find the "look and feel" very boring and awfully stagnant. I for one will be watching something else come January.