Life After Death or Death After Life?

[Muffit]

It was suggested in the Cafe thread that we might open a threadline about this subject. Great idea! Hopefully this should prove to be a quite well visited thread.

Go ahead and start!
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[shiningstar]

It was suggested in the Cafe thread that we might open a threadline about this subject. Great idea! Hopefully this should prove to be a quite well visited thread.

Go ahead and start!
:muffit:

Thanks for doing this Muffit. I think we'll get some 'interesting' stories here :thumbsup:

[Muffit]

Okies, I'll start!

If I were anyone else, or lived experiences any different than the ones I have, I would simply dismiss the paranormal as flights of fancy and attention seekers.

But I am me.

The experience that changed my perception of the world, and lives with me still, happened when I was only about 2 years old. I had just been put to bed, in a little white crib (yep, was almost ready for a regular bed but not quite), and around the corner of the hallway, my mom and grandma were busy with their favorite pastime, gabbing endlessly while oblivious to all else, cigarettes waving this way and that.

As I lay there, something really wierd seemed to call to me, as if to say, sit up! Look in front of you! And there, softly gliding across the opposite wall from left to right was a misty white apparition with a night cap. It did not walk; it had no lower extremities touching the floor. It made no sound, did not look around or seem to notice me. It seemed determined on its path and vanished when it reached the further wall.

I do not know how my tiny body did it, but I lunged over the crib's railing like it were a mere inch tall. And moments later found myself straining my eyes in the kitchen's light, wildly gesticulating and trying with all my tiny might to be heard. But I was ignored and hushed and my pleas availed me not,as my mom and grandma simply blabbered on as though every word were too important to miss, even for me.

I was NOT asleep, nor partially asleep when I saw this. I did not imagine it. I had no preconceived ideas of what a ghost should look like, I was too young. But because I saw it with my own eyes, I believe what I saw was really there.

The image is burned into my memory like a branding iron into a cow's side.

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P.S. Your turn!

[westy 79]

One night my wife and I had some friends over for the evening and like all get togethers the talk soon turned to ghosts. And to my surprise my wife started to talk about our staircase. Which when you are going down them there is no problem, it's going up that the trouble starts. We had never talked about it to each other, it's just a feeling that you get when you are going upstairs, day or night. It feels like someone is right behind you pushing you along, almost hurrying you to the top. And then it stops. My wife has also seen a shadowy figure walk out of our backyard to the front of the house and watched it j dissappear. There have been noises and objects moved that noone moved.

[shiningstar]

I used to believe in life after death. But one day I had to have a blood test ..........
well 'several' actually ................so they took vial, after vial, after vial of blood.

When I got home I was exhausted ..........I went to sleep.
It was wierd ................I didn't dream .............I didn't
feel anything ..........everything was black ...............

When I woke up it was three hours later.

When I fell asleep it was as though there was nothing ..........
but oblivion. :(

[Muffit]

Hi Shiningstar! Hi Westy!

Interesting you should mention that Shiningstar. The beautiful Jane Seymour had a similar experience she mentioned on TV long ago. She was having some kind of medical procedure and almost died. She said it felt like someone had simply pulled the plug.

Yet on the other hand, many people swear they saw "the other side" in NDE's (near death experiences). It's quite puzzling. This disparity neither supports those who believe nor those who chalk it up to brain anomalies.

Hmm... perhaps it is a person by person varying experience? I don't know... but I do know I have seen some /wierd/ things that do not fit science fact, not at all. I believe there are some things that exist in this universe we have yet to accommodate in physics and fact. (Both physics and electronics have phenomena which are currently unexplainable - that I learned for sure). To surmise that our simple 5 senses see all and know all there is, is to imagine everything has been invented that can be. Many species have senses we do not have, yet they exist. It may very well be there are simply things our normal senses cannot detect. Some of us have the facilities to see them, while others perhaps do not.

Hmm.. well this is cool, all kinds of viewpoints! Keep it going folks! ;)
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[westy 79]

The mind and body do strange things when confronted with stress or tests. Someone once asked me if I was afraid to die, I told him I wasn't afraid to be born. so I have no fear of death, just a very health respect for life. I believe that our soul moves on to whence it came , other than that anything that is possible will probably occur. Just a matter of perspective. So cheer up :) :)

[bsg1fan1975]

Like I said in the other thread I am a true believer in spirits. my mother is as well. What made me really believe in it was when I was in jr. high my family moved back from Florida becasue of my little sister's health on her dr's advice. My brother in law ans I were sitting on the couch in their apartment and we we having coffee. I had set my cup down and started to turn away to get something that Ed had asked me for that was on the end table next to me. As I turned back to hand the requested item to him I see my coffee cup move across the table. I freaked out. Ed laughed and said it was just their ghost playing games. So there I went retrieving my mug and set it back where I had put it down and it moved again. I just accepted it from then on.

Over the short time that I started to believe in it I have seen many spirits and have even heard departed ones. Last vacation I took before I went to my grams funeral was in 2000. I went back home for two weeks. Now mind you, that my gramps had been dead since '91 and I never got the chance to go to his funeral because it was a sudden tragic accident that took him. I wake up in the middle of the night in the guest room which the stairs to the kitchen was located in this particular room. The bed where I was sleep ing was near the opposite wall. I woke up to see a glowing figure at the head of the stairs. I have such bad eyesight that I have to wear glasses. So I put on my glasses and looked over. It was gramps. He smiled at me and then walked into grams room. It was like he was saying his good byes to me years after he was gone.

[shiningstar]

Hi Shiningstar! Hi Westy!

Interesting you should mention that Shiningstar. The beautiful Jane Seymour had a similar experience she mentioned on TV long ago. She was having some kind of medical procedure and almost died. She said it felt like someone had simply pulled the plug.

Yet on the other hand, many people swear they saw "the other side" in NDE's (near death experiences). It's quite puzzling. This disparity neither supports those who believe nor those who chalk it up to brain anomalies.

Hmm... perhaps it is a person by person varying experience? I don't know... but I do know I have seen some /wierd/ things that do not fit science fact, not at all. I believe there are some things that exist in this universe we have yet to accommodate in physics and fact. (Both physics and electronics have phenomena which are currently unexplainable - that I learned for sure). To surmise that our simple 5 senses see all and know all there is, is to imagine everything has been invented that can be. Many species have senses we do not have, yet they exist. It may very well be there are simply things our normal senses cannot detect. Some of us have the facilities to see them, while others perhaps do not.

Hmm.. well this is cool, all kinds of viewpoints! Keep it going folks! ;)
:muffit:

I believe you. I know people who 'have' seen the other side. I'd
much rather have an experience like theirs.

[bsg1fan1975]

my mom said that she had seen "the other side" and was told while she was on other side my late father told her to go back because it wasn't her time yet.

[Rowan]

I have a strange philosophy about birth and death etc. my take is that when we "die" on earth we are at that same moment being born on the other side when we die on that side it is the moment of our birth here. It is a continuous circle with no end. on the other side we go there to evaluate our work on earth and to see what we need to continue working on and where we need to improve after we have finished a period of evaluation and have decide what new lessons or experiences we need in order to grow spiritually then we come back to earth too put this into practice.

:salute:

[braxiss]

i have beleived in "ghosts" for as long as i can remember, and i spend a lot of time as an amatuer ghost hunter but over the last two days my belief was set in stone never to be shaken.

my grand father passed away early this week and while we were at the viewing and the funneral my five year old son would not leave the side of my grandfathers casket and everytime we tried to move him, he told us that grandpa was happy and not to worry about him, my son also told us that he needed to be by grandpa so he wouldn't be lonely.

and seeing the look in my sons eye i know he wasn't lieing and he was talking with my grandfather

[Rowan]

braxis why didn't you say that is what the beaver cafe is for, I'm sorry for your loss. I would completly trust your son if you fortify this with him you will always have a comunication link with your grandfather and probably others:)

ok if you guys are open to confessing then I'll risk it I hate telling these things 'cause usually people thinkg it's nutty, so I don't usually say anything anymore.
I've had so many experiences between psychic stuff and "talking" with the diseased, since I was very little. I've had experiences were I've been in a friends company and felt a presence if the friend is open to it I'll tell them whose there I can usually describe what the person looks like or their age and gender although I'm not seeing them with my physical eyes, and then I can usually relay messages from the presence. The experience for me is exactly the way John Edwards describes it, but because it scares me a little I tend to shut it down a lot it's only when I'm relaxed and accepting of it that it comes through clearly. I've had so many psychic experiences as well, once I was with my dad and sister in the car we drove into a parking lot following behind a white van. I suddenly knew the van was going to hit us. I told my dad to be careful I had just had a vision that the van in front of us was going to hit us. we finally pulled in behind the van as it parked I sat there for a moment perplexed. I knew what I'd seen and yet it didn't happen. My sister was trying to get out of the car, my dad had turned around to look at her. I was still staring at the van when it suddenly went into reverse I yelled at my dad he looked around hit the horn and the van struck us!
so thats just a little of it.:salute:

[braxiss]

gaelen, i don't think your nuts. like i said i am a huge believer


p.s. thanks

[Rowan]

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((braxis)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I totally forgot to give you a hug, my appologies! mmmmmmmmm I love hugs:)

[bsg1fan1975]

braxis, sorry for your loss.

My sister's youngest son says that our grandmother comes to him quite often. Mind you that my mother and sister married brothers. So its my step grandmother I am talking about!

[Muffit]

My thoughts and prayers to you Braxiss on the loss of your grandfather... :heart:
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[Dawg]

There are many things we cannot explain in this universe that I'm not one to disbeleive the idea of spirits, ghosts or communication with the deceased. (I hear my grandfather's laugh occassionally, to this day, whenever I realize something grown-up. And he's been gone for about 12 years.) I have no problem with the concept that some people are more sensitive in some areas than others.

I will, however, state that I think John Edwards is a fake.

Braxiss, my sympathies on your loss. Cherish that little boy!

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[braxiss]

thank you, one and all

[westy 79]

I agree about John Edwards. Not to say that there isn't anyone out there who can talk to "spirt's" But most of his show was nothing more than a bunch of phooy. Last weekend my wife and I went and saw the movie Gothica . Scared the pants off of me!!) And Holly Berrie said this great line in the movie. " I don't believe in ghost's, but they believe in me" It was a great movie. It was very nice being scared by the unexpected and not by the ole slash and hack method we see so much of in today's scary movie's.

[bsg1fan1975]

I always said John Edwards was nothing but fakery at its best.

Braxiss, that's what we are here for. To give a boost to our friends when they are having troubles in life.

[Rowan]

I don't have the same impression of John Edwards, he accurately describes how I expereince it even the way he stops to "talk or consult" internally "with those on the other side" the way he looks away as he does it, it's the same for me. What gives you guys this impression? Is it a feeling or things he's said? Is it just him? How do you feel about James Van Praagh? or Silvia? Just curious…:)

[Dawg]

I have a problem believing in the "abilities" of any of the celebrity soothsayers. That said, I don't know of either Praagh or Silvia, so I can't say anything about them.

Edwards, however, has people who circulate among the audience members prior to taping, eliciting information from them that he then uses on air. His questions are carefully enigmatic, designed for eliciting specific information from the subject so he can then nod his head and say "yes, that's what I'm being told". Houdini expose cleverer fakes - and he was a strong beleiver in this kind of thing.

This is an area ripe for charlatanism - and I'd suggest that 99% of the "mediums" out there are fakes, in it for the money.

But there is that 1%........

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Rowan]

Thanks for being so diplomatic Dawg;) very sensitive of you:rose:

I did not know he had people circulating in the audience, I always thought maybe people were planted in the line ups or there were hidden bug/mikes, cameras etc. from which they gleaned their info. I would love to see his show in person and see if I could get a sense of that. I often wondered about some of the info shared I know when i "talk" to someone on the other side it's never about the past it's always how they are feeling and about the now. so I often wondered about that aspectof it. It's a very emotionally draining experience for me and not something I'm often open to and I do need to be receptive to it for it to work.:)