I'm going to make some predictions.

[AlphaNova]

These are going to be more serious than my "SciFi Channel Predictions" on CA.

These concern the Ron Moore Galactica series on Sci-Fi, which I'm not going to watch. So those who are going to watch will have to tell me eventually if I was right or wrong. These predictions also are based on the possibility (however slight) that on SciFi the show will last a good deal of time/episodes.

(1) Eventually it will be discovered that the Cylons COPIED the appearances of real human beings. This gives Ron a backdoor to keep Boomer in the show. Also creates the guessing game, "is Boomer a Cylon or did the Cylons copy her form/appearance".

(2) It will be revealed that someone is pulling the strings of the Cylons. This allows the creation of some kind of an "Imperious Leader" Ron Moore style. This individual (or individuals) came into contact with the mechanical Cylons and gave them their advance in technology and also the ability to create human looking Cylons. In a way, this will de-Borg the Cylons.

(3) At least in one episode Adama and company will find out that there's at least a possibility that Earth really exists.

(4) The show will eventually start doing planet stories. We all know from "Mission Genesis" how boring it can be just set on a spaceship. Every show about traveling through space ends up doing planet stories. Sure, it saves money to have things set on the regular ship/fleet, but if the show lasts a while then watch then start visiting other planets. Plus, it's easy to come up with ideas for stories if they go to other planets.

(5) Baltar will be discovered to be a traitor. After probably months of him getting caught at talking to himself, someone will wonder why it was so easy for the Cylons to get through his security system. Also, they will wonder why Baltar understands the Cylons and their technology so well. I was amazed that for a group of people who blamed each other so much for their various problems and failings, no one blamed Baltar for his "foolproof" security system being so easy for a bunch of machines to crack.

(6) The fleet will find a real, live version of Number 6. Maybe this will be along the lines of the Cylons copying real human beings for their forms, or maybe it will just be an amazing coincidence that someone exists who looks like her. This will create a great deal of conflict for Baltar, especially when she dies at the end of the episode. Why will she die? Don't long lost loves always die in stories like this at the end of the show?

As I said, if the show lasts long enough someone let me know if I guessed right.

[Rowan]

hhhmmm copying humans I wondered about that Did anyone take a very close look at all the pictures in this miniseries. Boxie's picture is in the hands of his father in the opening scene where the armistice meeting takes place, and who do you think the EX O.'s wife's picture remind you of (its a very quick scene, he's burning a hole in it ) or for that matter what about Lee's mothers picture ( again a very quick scene just before the father son hug) who does she look like? both women look to me like a certain cylon we all love (sorta, kinda) what do you think? if your not sure have a look at this actresse portfolio on the Galactica web page and compare.
someone behind the cylons, yup sounds possible after all who exactly is God to them the cylon mentions she believes in God. veeerryyy intersting...

[nccdee]

Your predictions are pretty much a given.

The radical change in the Cylon clear indicate an evolution in their thinking most likely due to outside influence (Count Ibilis factor).

Copies...Duh...I think we already assumed that the Cloning material come from an actual human from the Colonies or elsewhere.

I expect Baltar to be found out. With #6 help, he will escape but be captured by the Cylons. (I predict this will be the season finale). (for the second season, as a prisoner, Baltar, meets the real Boomer)

Planet stories. I hope so, I never understood how the TOS could expect to survive too long without getting new resources (BTW, the TOS had an agro ship, the new series do not). We are also talking about Ron Moore, who is the planet exploring, alien encountering expert, so this is a given.

Earth exist...another given. Its based on their religion belief. Folklore have a tendency to be base on some kind of fact. For Adama it will be a revelation knowing he is not on a lose cause.

Let me make a few of my own prediction.

1. Galatica will encounter the Pegagus.
2. Apollo will forgive his father for his brother's death.
3. Starbuck will kick some Cylon butt.
4. When they go onto some planet, they will find some humans.
5. When they go onto some planet, they will find some Aliens.
6. There's going to be rebellion within the ragtag fleet.
7. And the biggest prediction of all, some people are going to die.

I will watch and see if I am right.

nccdee

[Westy]

who do you think the EX O.'s wife's picture remind you of (its a very quick scene, he's burning a hole in it ) or for that matter what about Lee's mothers picture ( again a very quick scene just before the father son hug) who does she look like? both women look to me like a certain cylon we all love (sorta, kinda) what do you think? if

I was wondering if someone else noticed this. She was obviously a very busy Cylady.

[repcisg]

A prediction.

It will be a two parter, Pegasus will be found part one, Pegasus will be destroyed at the end of part two.

SciFi writers, like Moore, always destroy the extra ships because they follow the golden rule of SciFi - there can be only one! :)

[Tibbetts]

These are going to be more serious than my "SciFi Channel Predictions" on CA.

These concern the Ron Moore Galactica series on Sci-Fi, which I'm not going to watch. So those who are going to watch will have to tell me eventually if I was right or wrong. These predictions also are based on the possibility (however slight) that on SciFi the show will last a good deal of time/episodes.

(1) Eventually it will be discovered that the Cylons COPIED the appearances of real human beings. This gives Ron a backdoor to keep Boomer in the show. Also creates the guessing game, "is Boomer a Cylon or did the Cylons copy her form/appearance".

(2) It will be revealed that someone is pulling the strings of the Cylons. This allows the creation of some kind of an "Imperious Leader" Ron Moore style. This individual (or individuals) came into contact with the mechanical Cylons and gave them their advance in technology and also the ability to create human looking Cylons. In a way, this will de-Borg the Cylons.

(3) At least in one episode Adama and company will find out that there's at least a possibility that Earth really exists.

(4) The show will eventually start doing planet stories. We all know from "Mission Genesis" how boring it can be just set on a spaceship. Every show about traveling through space ends up doing planet stories. Sure, it saves money to have things set on the regular ship/fleet, but if the show lasts a while then watch then start visiting other planets. Plus, it's easy to come up with ideas for stories if they go to other planets.

(5) Baltar will be discovered to be a traitor. After probably months of him getting caught at talking to himself, someone will wonder why it was so easy for the Cylons to get through his security system. Also, they will wonder why Baltar understands the Cylons and their technology so well. I was amazed that for a group of people who blamed each other so much for their various problems and failings, no one blamed Baltar for his "foolproof" security system being so easy for a bunch of machines to crack.

(6) The fleet will find a real, live version of Number 6. Maybe this will be along the lines of the Cylons copying real human beings for their forms, or maybe it will just be an amazing coincidence that someone exists who looks like her. This will create a great deal of conflict for Baltar, especially when she dies at the end of the episode. Why will she die? Don't long lost loves always die in stories like this at the end of the show?

As I said, if the show lasts long enough someone let me know if I guessed right.

I intend to watch, so I'll let ya know if that happens. :D Least I can do.

Respectfully,

Dragon Lord Tibbetts :salute:

[nccdee]

repcisg said " there can be only one!" WHAT???!!! Highlander joining the cast??? Just kidding :laugh:

[jewels]

repcisg said " there can be only one!" WHAT???!!! Highlander joining the cast??? Just kidding :laugh:Heehee! that WOULD make it a lot more interesting! Hey Ron, I think Adrian Paul might be available. :laugh: (he must keep the long hair in the ponytail. :naughty: )

ahem, back to whatever the actual topic was..... (sorry for the divergence!)

[repcisg]

Oh I can see it now, Adian Paul as Cain! Thats Cain, the laidies man. More interested in scoring with the laidies than Cylons!

Bad, rep, realy bad this time!

[Rowan]

Oh you had to go and mention Adrian Paul:drool:
ok I'm a go:D

[jewels]

What can I say, weakness for long-haired pony-tailed men that are good with swords.

Oh, Ron, while you're at it reimage the swagger stick into a Katana (did I spell that right--Japanese sword?) Then Cain could call out "Husker" so that indeed there would be "ONLY ONE" :duck:

bwahahahahaha. Gee, I think I've made enough trouble for one day. ;)

[repcisg]

You know while I said there can be only one I was thinking of the SciFi writers credo, youu must have only ship left at the end of the story. This has been the standard now since the begining of Science Fiction, at least on the big screen and TV.

Battlestar Galactica had only the Galactica, even Star Trek most of the time centered around only one ship. B5 and DS9 one space station.

So if RDM holds true to the SciFi writers directive, if Pegasus is found, it must be destroyed in the end. :...:

Although seeing Adrian Paul chasing Starbuck could be fun! :devil:

[jewels]

Adrian Paul would whip Katee Sackhoff's butt. Nah, He'd go for Grace Park :devil: (sorry Aaron, but when you get the cutest babe on the ship, you will have competition! ;)

[repcisg]

Well if Boomer is out on patrol, and Starbuck's available. . . .

What does one do when drifting between the stars?

[repcisg]

Somebody slap me please, i've Starbuck on the brain. Sheese!!

[Antelope]

My predictions:

1. The season ends with a two part remake of Living Legend (Pegasus story).
2. Boxey is a human-cylon.
3. Callie kills Boomer late in the season.
4. Boomer knew she was a cylon all along.
5. Tyrol and Callie become an item.
6. Boomer and/or Boxey kills Duella and Roslin's Secretary at some point in the season.
7. Lee Adama marries Kara Thrace at the end of Season 2.
8. The Galactica finds Earth on the final episode of Season 2.
9. Commander Adama does know where Earth is but trust the coordinates to no one.
10. Baltar is insane.
11. The cylons (or some part of the cylons) allowed the Galactica to escape.
12. Commander Adama and President Roslin get marooned in an episode and start a clandestine affair.
13. The human cylons are 100% human (but don't know it).
14. Satan has taken control of the cylon empire.

[Rowan]

Somebody slap me please, i've Starbuck on the brain. Sheese!!
repcisg, which one? TOS or the Mini?:D

[repcisg]

I'm not that way (least I don't think I am), the MINI of course!

[Airwolf]

Human cylons 100% human??? With glowing spines....What a neat trick.

I think Adama knows where earth is as well, but i would trust that sappy president with my life, she is too weak and you gotta hold ya cards to your chest!

I think Boomer has to be a real human or i might just go and beat the hell out of RDM for making a stupid plot.

[Fedaykin]

In the second mini episode it was stated that they think that Earth is an off shoot colony of the 12 colonies. I wouldn't be surprised if later on they find out that they have got this wrong and they are actually an offshoot from Earth - it would explain why they read write and speak in English.

If there are later series (probably during a series finale) they could also start bumping into deepspace Earth colonies and even millitary vessels. Of course it's difficult to second guess the direction of a series so it will be fun finding out.

I wouldn't be surprised if Battlestar pegasus pops up at sometime and then promptly blows in some act of sacrifice with the Galactica taking on her crew.

On another note the human Cylon story is going to be interesting in the respect that I got the hint from the mini that the Cylons could be having problem's controling them - No6 was surprisingly helpful for something that wants to hunt down and exterminate all humanity.

[Titon]

What can I say, weakness for long-haired pony-tailed men that are good with swords.


Well that definatly knocks me out of the running.

:D

[Rowan]

Well that definatly knocks me out of the running.

:D
I thought all guys had "swords" and you can always get a wig, so...:D

["T"]

"These are going to be more serious than my "SciFi Channel Predictions" on CA.
These concern the Ron Moore Galactica series on Sci-Fi, which I'm not going to watch."

Why cant you watch it?

Just detach it from TOS, and look at it like a new program the worst thing that can happen is 1 hour of your life will be a bit BLAG but simply watching the 1st episode of the series cant be that bad, Just remember if this one Bombs then BSG will need a miracle to get anything else commisioned by ANYONE.

I dont see Studios queing (SP) to make new Sci-Fi stuff Firefly's gone out the window Star Treks on Intensive care.

Just give the series the same fair chance you gave the Pilot.

Remember RM may have actually listened to the uproar the Series may be better than the Pilot (although I enjoyed it!) Please dont Rubbish something thats not even been filmed yet.

-"T"-

[Antelope]

The quote about speaking, reading, and writing English is interesting. I also wondered whether the use of English is just an issue you ignore like in the majority of SCIFI shows or if there is real meaning to it. Maybe the colonials are speaking an entirely different language and we assume it's English because that is the medium of speech we hear. In the mini I saw no sign or evidence that anyone spoke any language other than English. In TOS reference is made that other colonies spoke other languages. I found it interesting however that the only time another language was actually used or referenced verbally it was Geminese, and the words referenced were Latin in origin (like terra).

People questioned about the potential of a show where Kobol and Earth are one in the same place in other threads. Even in TOS Kobol was no longer known as a location until the Galactica stumbled on to it.

I think it would be interesting if Kobol was the name of an old Earth corporation or ship that went on a deep space mining or colonization mission and became lost or disabled. Over time the story grew and became a legend. Kobal may be the long lost nasdaq symbol of Koenig Building and Leasing - a pioneering developer of early Earth space colonies!

[Antelope]

I think the glowing red spine was a poor effect to alert the audience that 6 was a cylon. I think it will be explained (if it ever is) as from an external light source reflecting off her back as she moved. I don't think we will see another glowing spine in the series. If it was a mechanical item in 6 I think it was implanted. I still think the cylons are humans. The cylon at Ragnar was meant to be there to give the humans the illusion the cylons could be told apart. I think to some extent this feeds the humans are being "herded" or "saved" by some or all of the cylons scenario. We will see. The fact that the Moore vewrsion lends itself to such speculation is a good thing for the series. The "who and why" should help the ratings.

[shiningstar]

These are going to be more serious than my "SciFi Channel Predictions" on CA.

These concern the Ron Moore Galactica series on Sci-Fi, which I'm not going to watch. So those who are going to watch will have to tell me eventually if I was right or wrong. These predictions also are based on the possibility (however slight) that on SciFi the show will last a good deal of time/episodes.

(1) Eventually it will be discovered that the Cylons COPIED the appearances of real human beings. This gives Ron a backdoor to keep Boomer in the show. Also creates the guessing game, "is Boomer a Cylon or did the Cylons copy her form/appearance".

(2) It will be revealed that someone is pulling the strings of the Cylons. This allows the creation of some kind of an "Imperious Leader" Ron Moore style. This individual (or individuals) came into contact with the mechanical Cylons and gave them their advance in technology and also the ability to create human looking Cylons. In a way, this will de-Borg the Cylons.

(3) At least in one episode Adama and company will find out that there's at least a possibility that Earth really exists.

(4) The show will eventually start doing planet stories. We all know from "Mission Genesis" how boring it can be just set on a spaceship. Every show about traveling through space ends up doing planet stories. Sure, it saves money to have things set on the regular ship/fleet, but if the show lasts a while then watch then start visiting other planets. Plus, it's easy to come up with ideas for stories if they go to other planets.

(5) Baltar will be discovered to be a traitor. After probably months of him getting caught at talking to himself, someone will wonder why it was so easy for the Cylons to get through his security system. Also, they will wonder why Baltar understands the Cylons and their technology so well. I was amazed that for a group of people who blamed each other so much for their various problems and failings, no one blamed Baltar for his "foolproof" security system being so easy for a bunch of machines to crack.

(6) The fleet will find a real, live version of Number 6. Maybe this will be along the lines of the Cylons copying real human beings for their forms, or maybe it will just be an amazing coincidence that someone exists who looks like her. This will create a great deal of conflict for Baltar, especially when she dies at the end of the episode. Why will she die? Don't long lost loves always die in stories like this at the end of the show?

As I said, if the show lasts long enough someone let me know if I guessed right.

I believe you just might be right Alpha Nova ..........and NO I won't be watching.

[Antelope]

I wish the regulars like shiningstar watch the series even if you they don't like it. I enjoy your comments and comparisons. Sometimes we can gain an insight into something reference to TOS. If Moore draws from TOS as he says he will, the comments of shiningstar, dawg, and the rest of the anti-mini regulars will be invaluable. If you don't watch however it will be a waste of our time to read anything you post on the subject. If you didn't watch the mini you wouldn't be in so many discussions now. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the mini and Moore starts or drives the majority of current conversations on the various Galactica boards and will until it runs its course or another version comes out.

[shiningstar]

I wish the regulars like shiningstar watch the series even if you they don't like it. I enjoy your comments and comparisons. Sometimes we can gain an insight into something reference to TOS. If Moore draws from TOS as he says he will, the comments of shiningstar, dawg, and the rest of the anti-mini regulars will be invaluable. If you don't watch however it will be a waste of our time to read anything you post on the subject. If you didn't watch the mini you wouldn't be in so many discussions now. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the mini and Moore starts or drives the majority of current conversations on the various Galactica boards and will until it runs its course or another version comes out.

Sorry Antelope but with the TV14 rating ...............and with a 6 & 8 year old
at home ............I can't watch anything geared for a OLDER audience.........

My kids need to see that some things CAN still be left to the IMAGINATION

I just don't see that happening with this series .........................................

What RDM and so many TV execs no longer see is that you don't have
to have your clothes OFF in order to have mystery, suspsense,
desire and romance. Instead they're only going with what sells ..........

only they haven't SOLD me ...........

[Antelope]

Sorry Antelope but with the TV14 rating ...............and with a 6 & 8 year old
at home ............I can't watch anything geared for a OLDER audience.........


Put those little kids to bed, Mom! :D I think the mini started at 9 PM out here and was repeated at 11 PM. When the show goes to series I bet a 9 PM showing would work just fine. My 7 year old daughter is fast asleep by the time Battlestar starts. Those little kids need their rest and we need our Battlestar.

[shiningstar]

Put those little kids to bed, Mom! :D I think the mini started at 9 PM out here and was repeated at 11 PM. When the show goes to series I bet a 9 PM showing would work just fine. My 7 year old daughter is fast asleep by the time Battlestar starts. Those little kids need their rest and we need our Battlestar.


Nice try it started at 7:00 here and did repeat ................
even so with the way the script WAS ........I still wouldn't watch it.............

["T"]

But that was the pilot!

Over here in the UK the series aired at 9pm (UK watershed) and had a 12 warning on part 1 and a 15 warning on part 2

Its not a family show true but children should not be wathcing at that time anyway.

Watch episode 1 of the series...what have you got to lose? bar one hour of your life! :)

-"T"-

[shiningstar]

But that was the pilot!

Over here in the UK the series aired at 9pm (UK watershed) and had a 12 warning on part 1 and a 15 warning on part 2

Its not a family show true but children should not be wathcing at that time anyway.

Watch episode 1 of the series...what have you got to lose? bar one hour of your life! :)

-"T"-

If I truelly want to be BORED TO TEARS ..................
then I'll visit my mother

[The Rain]

Well I'll keep watching and keep posting. I may like the new version but that makes me no more or less biased than those who don't. At least my opinion will be more credible than that of those who didn't watch it at all.

Great predictions by the way. Ya'll didn't leave me much to predict!

:salute:

[shiningstar]

If you want to watch it fine ...................... if you don't watch to watch it fine ...........
I for one WILL NOT be watching it ............. if the 'certain people' don't like me
still posting where I want .............as the MINI series aires ...........TOUGH

[Soulmage]

Well, I think the comments are that your insight into the new show will become less and less meaningful as the season moves forward and you remain uninformed on the topic.

I think soon you'll have little to offer in the way of an informed opinion except that you don't like the show. Hence, I'm not sure why you would want to keep posting about the new series.

The old series is, of course, another issue.

[Lusitan]

Hi all;

On the question of "watch/not watch" i will see at least the first 3 eps. As i said before (and someone else said in this thread) once you manage to think of the mini as something only inspired by TOS it no longer hurts to watch.
If one like it or not is another story. I didn't, there were some good moments but not enough for me to say i like it. I confess i the only part of the mini i still have is the part where the battlestar comes out of the cloud and starts firing everything she has.
Now, my predictions :

- In the second episode they will face 2 basestars and beat them, but they loose
too many pilots in that. Including Kara :devil:
- In the third episode they start recuiting new pilots among the survivors and one of them stands out : Tyrol. ;)
- Around the 6th episode they find a planet they call Kobol, but they discover there proof that the planet was previously known as Terra. Here we learn where the name Cylon originated, that the name was equivalent to Evil, that it was given to their enemy ( originaly called HecVec-Droids ;) ) after the war started, that the original Cylons were the ones responsible for Terra's destruction, that part of the survivors went after the original Galactica who was searching for Earth.
(Here, most TOS fans will gain suden intrest in this new series)

Well, these are some of my wish.. er .. predictions ;)

[Fedaykin]

To go back to the reading, writing and speaking in English I also thought it could be one of those things we are not meant to think about and they are actually speaking in another tongue. The thing is the use of English is just too heavy if they really wanted to give the impression that they were using another language the usual practice is to have all there writing in some sort of Giberish script. The fact that it clearly use's English writing, words (anyone notice when the word Dog! was used instead of Daggit) and even millitary practices/political structures says to me that they (ie the colonies) have got it backwards and they are from Earth. This could be a use of future plot generation if the 12 colonies are from Earth than Earth has or had some sort of interstella travel and at a later date Moore can introduce new characters from Earth and even pave the way for spin off series.

[Dawg]

To go back to the reading, writing and speaking in English I also thought it could be one of those things we are not meant to think about and they are actually speaking in another tongue. The thing is the use of English is just too heavy if they really wanted to give the impression that they were using another language the usual practice is to have all there writing in some sort of Giberish script. The fact that it clearly use's English writing, words (anyone notice when the word Dog! was used instead of Daggit) and even millitary practices/political structures says to me that they (ie the colonies) have got it backwards and they are from Earth. This could be a use of future plot generation if the 12 colonies are from Earth than Earth has or had some sort of interstella travel and at a later date Moore can introduce new characters from Earth and even pave the way for spin off series.

Two things: The reason you see English being used as both oral and written in the mini (and any other scifi show, in fact) is to make it easier for the viewer to understand what's what. It would be very difficult to use a different written or spoken language and subtitles, and expect the average viewer to expend the energy to try to read the dialogue and watch the action. You couldn't retain the viewership that way, so they ask us to overlook that inconsistency for the sake of us getting into the story.

That said, in the mini the inference that they're from Earth (in fact, from the US) is very, very strong, and not just because the actors are using English. The decals on the Vipers are straight out of the US Navy. The use of call signs. The fact their names are 21st Century North American names. The use of Earth-based measurements and terms.

In TOS their names were often variations of ancient names from our own past, suggesting the same roots. They used alien (to us) units of measurement. Their ship and insignia designs usually suggested origins not of Earth (based as they were upon parts of several of our own ancient cultures, again to suggest the same roots). "...brothers of Man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens..."

So, unless you are over-analyzing it, in order for any space-based story to work the viewer must suspend his disbelief over the use of English. It is much more important to look at how the language is used, and whether or not it properly supports the story's premise.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[shiningstar]

Very nice predictions Dawg ...................Very Nice

[Fedaykin]

Yo,

I wasn't suggesting that they should use a different language and subtitles, I do understand tht when people speak English on Sci-Fi shows they are not always speaking ENGLISH. For example when General Martok talks to Worf on the bridge of the Rotoran surrounded by other Klingons I do know that they are speaking in Klingon but the producers have substituted English to make it easier for the audience (Using Star trek for an example is easier). The use of English writing rather than some giberish alien script is a clear statement in my mind. If you look at my AVATAR you will clearly see that it incorporates the words Battlestar Galactica in English.

Funnily I'm watching the repeat of the new BSG at this moment so things are clear in my mind.:)

[shiningstar]

Yo,

I wasn't suggesting that they should use a different language and subtitles, I do understand tht when people speak English on Sci-Fi shows they are not always speaking ENGLISH. For example when General Martok talks to Worf on the bridge of the Rotoran surrounded by other Klingons I do know that they are speaking in Klingon but the producers have substituted English to make it easier for the audience (Using Star trek for an example is easier). The use of English writing rather than some giberish alien script is a clear statement in my mind. If you look at my AVATAR you will clearly see that it incorporates the words Battlestar Galactica in English.

Funnily I'm watching the repeat of the new BSG at this moment so things are clear in my mind.:)


Yes I saw that. And you're right when they're talking Klingon .......they'll start off
talking in klingon and then once that's established they'll speak in english.

[Mike Wright]

Sorry Antelope but with the TV14 rating ...............and with a 6 & 8 year old
at home ............I can't watch anything geared for a OLDER audience.........

My kids need to see that some things CAN still be left to the IMAGINATION

I think you bring up a damn good point here. I mean I'm still gonna watch the series, hell I'm gonna love the series, but then I'm married, 25 and have no kids. If I had any, I'm not sure I'd want my kids watching that either.

I have a feeling that sometime soon, TV is going to be forced to change its standards. After the whole Janet Jackson Boob Slip thing, the country seems to be in a decency uproar. Just this week Clear Channel Radio dropped the Howard Stern show because of a broadcast interview with Rick Soloman that went out of control. And with so many execs due to face Congress soon because of this stuff, the networks may be forced to rethink their strategies.

Hell, the fans have been crying out for years, ever since they brought Seven of Nine onto Voyager. Scifi is about good what-if make-you-think stories, not about sex apeal. Besides, sexual tension is a much more enticing pull than sex itself. We didn't really need that whole sex scene with Baltar and Six. I mean what if Baltar was some kind of sexual deviant or something who just desired Six, and she knew that and used it against him, never really giving him what he wants.

I dunno. Maybe not. I just think, to be honest, we're not going to see the level of sexuality in the series that we saw in the mini. If Ron is smart, and I know he is, he'll take a look at whats going on in other SF like Enterprise and whats going on currently, with the whole congressional hearings and stuff, and just put less of it in there. I mean sometimes, less is more. As in less sex, more vipers. Many, many more vipers. :)

Or hey, they can always throw in a scene where Starbuck gets a steam burn in the viper launch tube. :)

[Rowan]

As in less sex, more vipers. Many, many more vipers. :)

Or hey, they can always throw in a scene where Starbuck gets a steam burn in the viper launch tube. :)
Hello Mike

I agree, less sex more vipers!!!
I love that sceen I was just watching it again the other day, tooooo funny, poor Satarbuck!:)

[Rowan]

Hey, did anyone notice that during the decommissioning ceremony Commander Adama says a line during his speech “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore" Later on Ragnar station when Commander Adama is trapped with the Cylon Leoben, Leoben says to him “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done" (just before he starts strangling him) coincidence? Or is he letting Adama know that they have ears on the Galactica?

[Antelope]

Hey, did anyone notice that during the decommissioning ceremony Commander Adama says a line during his speech “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore" Later on Ragnar station when Commander Adama is trapped with the Cylon Leoben, Leoben says to him “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done" (just before he starts strangling him) coincidence? Or is he letting Adama know that they have ears on the Galactica?

Gaelen: Now I am going to name you, Wow! :salute:

I didn't catch that at all. I am going to have to think on that one.

Was it just foreshadowing and artistic license? I thought in the speech Adama was referencing his son's death indirectly. Zak's dying in an accident however didn't seem to jive with Adama's words. I wonder if there is something to Zak's death (or apparant death) and the cylons. I don't remeber if there was a complete explanation of what happened to Zak. I remember Cylon 6's line about "Today your children will return". I wonder if these statemants about "children" and "running from the things you've done" are more than references to man's creation of the cylons.

Maybe there is an unknown history that the colonial people are unaware of between the cylons and the colonial government. Maybe there was a black ops war going on in deep space and people like "Zak" get killed or captured in "training accidents". Maybe we nearly killed them off and the civilian population is unaware of the issues. Space: Above and Beyond had the entire war's cause hidden from the public because of the actions of a private company. There seems to be a vendetta and religious zeal on the part of the cylons that seems to go beyond normal animosity for people "at peace" for 40 years.

[shiningstar]

Hey, did anyone notice that during the decommissioning ceremony Commander Adama says a line during his speech “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore" Later on Ragnar station when Commander Adama is trapped with the Cylon Leoben, Leoben says to him “Sooner or later the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done" (just before he starts strangling him) coincidence? Or is he letting Adama know that they have ears on the Galactica?

I read the script and that particular line went over my head ............even when
Leoben said it again. Until now .........I think it's the latter ..........letting him
know they have ears on the Galactica. After you let me know about that
line ..........it blew me away ...........

[shiningstar]

Gaelen: Now I am going to name you, Wow! :salute:

I didn't catch that at all. I am going to have to think on that one.

Was it just foreshadowing and artistic license? I thought in the speech Adama was referencing his son's death indirectly. Zak's dying in an accident however didn't seem to jive with Adama's words. I wonder if there is something to Zak's death (or apparant death) and the cylons. I don't remeber if there was a complete explanation of what happened to Zak. I remember Cylon 6's line about "Today your children will return". I wonder if these statemants about "children" and "running from the things you've done" are more than references to man's creation of the cylons.

Maybe there is an unknown history that the colonial people are unaware of between the cylons and the colonial government. Maybe there was a black ops war going on in deep space and people like "Zak" get killed or captured in "training accidents". Maybe we nearly killed them off and the civilian population is unaware of the issues. Space: Above and Beyond had the entire war's cause hidden from the public because of the actions of a private company. There seems to be a vendetta and religious zeal on the part of the cylons that seems to go beyond normal animosity for people "at peace" for 40 years.

I read through out the entire script ..........never saw any evidence of a black
ops operation .................I think that line had to do with the cylons being the
creation of man in the mini then anything else.

[Antelope]

I think you are right Shiningstar. I think it is probably simply a reference to man's creation of cylons.

I think Moore however has a very developed idea of all that is going on. I think there is some kind of hidden agenda that will be the ultimate theme of the series. Figuring out what that agenda is however will be half the fun posting on the Galactica board over the next year or so.

I get the idea that Adama, Tigh etc are seasoned combat veterans but if the script is true and they have been at peace for 40 years they may be experienced officers but this would be their first taste of war also. The speech Adama made prior to the cylon attack sounded like a man who questioned the value of his sacrafice. That would be appropriate in a combat veterans looking back at unnecessary death but not what I would expect from someone who spent a career in peacetime. If his speech was in reference to his feelings for Zak and Apollo (which it seemed to be) it would have been heartfelt but inappropriate at that time and place.

I was wrestling in my mind whether Commander Adama was being inappropriate (bad script writing) or if there is a deeper meaning that won't appear until later in the series.

[Rowan]

Thank guys:)

What is a black ops operation?
antelope do you have the show tapped?

[Antelope]

Black ops is a military term for secret military or CIA operations that happen behind the scenes that the government does not admit exist. It is know today for example that U.S. special forces soldiers were involved in combat operation in Central America during the 1980's. These soldiers received no official recognition or metals for their service. If such a soldier was killed or injured the government would say they were killed or injured in a training accident. During the Cold War (primarily in the 1950s and 1960s) nearly 300 U.S. air crew members died in shoot downs over communist territory but were reported as killed in accidents to their families.

I speculate that if colonial civilian government reflects our government the colonial military may have been conducting long range recon patrols and conducting near war operations against the cylons in "peacetime" unknown to the civilians. I wonder if Commander Adama feels guilt about his son dying on a black ops mission because he apparantly was not involved in Zaks flight school issues.

I really didn't like Commander Adama's speach at the decommisioning in the mini. I guess I am trying to think of a reason for it to have been written into the script. It is not likely that a capital ship naval commander would use his ships decommissioning ceremony to fix his families relationship problems or express them to an audience.

[shiningstar]

Black ops is a military term for secret military or CIA operations that happen behind the scenes that the government does not admit exist. It is know today for example that U.S. special forces soldiers were involved in combat operation in Central America during the 1980's. These soldiers received no official recognition or metals for their service. If such a soldier was killed or injured the government would say they were killed or injured in a training accident. During the Cold War (primarily in the 1950s and 1960s) nearly 300 U.S. air crew members died in shoot downs over communist territory but were reported as killed in accidents to their families.

I speculate that if colonial civilian government reflects our government the colonial military may have been conducting long range recon patrols and conducting near war operations against the cylons in "peacetime" unknown to the civilians. I wonder if Commander Adama feels guilt about his son dying on a black ops mission because he apparantly was not involved in Zaks flight school issues.

I really didn't like Commander Adama's speach at the decommisioning in the mini. I guess I am trying to think of a reason for it to have been written into the script. It is not likely that a capital ship naval commander would use his ships decommissioning ceremony to fix his families relationship problems or express them to an audience.

Maybe you're right and Adama knew something that everyone else didn't.

Or else as Moore seemed to make this mini as ANTIMILITARY as possible
he was simply using this speech as another tool to do just that.

[Antelope]

When I originally heard the speech in the mini I assumed it was an anti-military rant written by an anti-military writer.

As I read about Moore after the fact however I do not get the impression he is anti-military. As a result the speech confuses me. I think there is either a hidden meaning to be revealed later or it was simply poor writing. I don't know the answer here and my specualtion is definitely reaching into the unknown.

[Rowan]

A section of dialogue from the scene preceeding the speech and The speech
Scene between #6 and Baltar were she has just told him she’s a Cylon

6 “You were chosen for my mission”

B: “Your mission, what mission”

6: “You knew I wanted access to the defence mainframe”

B: “Wait a minute, the defence mainframe? What exactly are you saying?”

6: “Come on Gaius, the communications frequencies, deployment schedules, unlimited access to every data base…”

B: “Oh my god, I had nothing to do with this, you know I had nothing to do with this”

6: You have an amazing capacity for self deception, how do you do that?”

[A few more exchanges then 6 ends by saying]

#6 “humanities children are returning home today”

[Next scene the decommissioning ceremony]

Adama’s speech:

“The Cylon war is long over, yet we must not forget the reasons why so many sacrificed so much in the cause of freedom. The cost of wearing the uniform can high but ….

[Long pause, takes off his glasses]

Sometimes it’s too high. You know when we fought the cylons we did it to save ourselves from extinction but we never answered the question why? Why are we as a people worth saving? We still commit murder because of greed, spite, jealousy and we still visit all of our sins upon our children. We refuse to accept responsibility for anything we’ve done. Like we did with the Cylons, we decided to play god, create life. When that life turned against us we, comforted ourselves in the knowledge that it really wasn’t our fault, not really. You cannot play god and wash your hands of the things you’ve created. Sooner or later the day comes when you can’t hide form the things you’ve done anymore.”

Sits down beside the Ex. O. who leans towards him and says “you are one surprising son of a bitch.”

It sounds almost empathetic towards the Cylons in fact during the speech the camera pans over to the Cylon Aaron Doral. It definitely sounds to me as if he's almost talking to himself about his own mistakes with regards to his boys, and finally realizing what he's done and accepting responsibility for it. but it also ties in nicely with the scene just before it which is why I included it . Baltar is refusing to accept responsibility for his part in the destruction of his world. He (RM) could be moralizing to his viewing audience too.:)

[Antelope]

I think as I read it now with but scenes written back to back it makes more sense. I take back my bad writing statement. I guess both scenes are giving us a more in depth understanding of the conflict. The feelings of both societies are explained. I think my TOS mind set had me confused. This conflict appears very emotional to both sides something you don't traditional associate with cylons.

Thanks, Gaelen! :)

[Antelope]

Cylon 6: "Humanities children are returning home"


The cylon: An angry teenager who doesn't want to live by the house rules.
Colonials: Parents who try to enforce the house rules.
Initial War: Teenager refuses to live under the house rules.
Armistice/Cylons Deep Space: Teenager kicked out of home by parents.
40 Years away: Child grows up and learns to live on his own. Becomes wealthier than the parent.
Halocaust: Adult child comes home to parents to show off and prove he/she is the better person. Child is still angry but also still hurting!

One big dysfunctional family!

[Fedaykin]

With Adama's speach I feel a crisis of his own self worth was coming to a head. His ship was being decommisioned I assume he was going into retirement, man was starting to make the same mistakes,the arrival of his estranged son and the Cylons are still on the prowl out there....oh yes I nearly forgot he's divorced so probably looking forward to a lousey lonely retirement. It's worth noting at the start of the first episode he was practicing a different speach and I get a feeling that if Apollo hadn't turned up and given him grief then he probably would of gone with the more PC speach.

I found it quite stark that whilst the Galactica was being decomissioned the twelve colonies were already being bombed to rubble. Of course that does mean that when they do realise whats happened and the Galactica becomes the remnant of the colonies last hope she is technically no longer a serving vessel.

[Rowan]

Thanks for participating antelope this is so much fun for me. Never got to do this 26 yrs ago. Ok in the draft script section 1 p.1-2 just to give you an idea what was going on in the minds of the writers ...

"The Cylons were created by Man.
They were the product of a desire to make life easier on the planet Kobol.
At, first, they were simple robots. Toys. Conversation pieces at parties for the rich and trendy.
The Cylons became more advanced. Began to work the mines. Do the hard and dangerous work Man no longer wished to do.
And when the people of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol decided to war against each other, the Cylons began to do their fighting and killing for them too.
The Cylons were the greatest soldiers the planet had ever seen. Smart. Fast. Deadly. They made decisions without waiting for orders.
And then the day came when the Cylons decided to kill their masters.
The Twelve Colonies rallied together for the first time in centuries. Betrayed by their own technology, they fought the Cylons with weapons that didn't rely on computers.
After a long and bloody struggle, the war finally ended. An armistice was declared. The Cylons left Kobol for another world to call their own.
A remote space station was built where Cylon and Human could meet and maintain diplomatic relations. Every month, the Colonials send an officer..."
definitely different than the mini's suggestion about meeting once a year and not having seen them in 40, but interesting non the less:)