Original Actors In New Galactica Mini-Moore Wants Hatch.

[kingfish]

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[HubcapDave]

I know Richard would never do it in a million years, but would love to see him play Commander Cain if Moore does indeed redo "The Living Legend".

[BST]

Aw, com'on.....never say never


NEVER! :)

[amberstar]

I don't think so.
Richard would NEVER accept an offer like that :)

I'm holding out for Richard to play Commander Apollo in a major motion pic :)

Amber

[dec5]

I hope so.....I would like him to play Cain or at least a military collegue of Adama!!!
It will be a dream come true!!!

Actually I was hoping he would show up as a General of the US Air force who meets the BG after they find Earth.

[angry penguin]

I don't think that Richard would do it either. After all he said why it wasen't Battlestar
Galactica.

[peter noble]

Both Richard and Dirk have stated publically that they are not interested in appearing in the new show and both genetlemen turned down parts in the mini-series.

As to the other surviving cast members – who knows.

Peter

[Titon]

There's no way. First off the money offered Dirk when he was asked to perticipate in a cameo was rediculous. Moore couldn't afford them

[Muffit]

Please forgive, but I would rather pluck my eyes out with a plastic spoon. :D
To see either Dirk or Richard give up their honor and character for what would most likely be pittance anyway would hurt too much. No offense to those of you who like the new show (truly!), it's just that even if they resurrected Lorne Greene and gave him a role I wouldn't watch (and I don't think I'm alone), so it would likely backfire anyway.

I wouldn't agree to having a fake daughter live with me just so that I /might/ see my real daughter for just 2 hours. I have a big heart, but I don't want to fill the empty corners of it with pain, sorry.

I apologize to all my friends who do like the mini/series for my honesty. We all have some beliefs we can't compromise I guess. :(

:muffit:

[jewels]

Muffit, I don't think you have to worry about it happening. They really understand even better than us the quality of the show they were on. Just listen to their commentary on Saga of a Star World and you can hear how much they understood and respected the craftsmanship of the directors and the cinematography they were treated to. 2 things Moore's mini lacked.

[DCRabbit]

Hmm.. anyone notice that Moore seems to be trying to placate TOS fans? The same ones he was arrogant to? Looks like it to me, at least.

DCR

[Sept17th]

Ron Moore’s brave re-imagination of the space opera should continue it’s own superior course. I don’t believe most fans of Battlestar Galactica can be bought with this kind of gimmick anyway. I want the actors of Battlestar Galactica available for the continuation production that is not a dead issue.

[GalacticanCajun]

By the way, any news on the possible motion picture?

[shiningstar]

I'd love that too Amberstar. I think he should play Commander Apollo in the
Major Motion picture! :beaver: :thumbsup: :beaver: :thumbsup: :beaver:

[amberstar]

Shiningstar, great minds do think alike! ;)

Amberstar

[bsg1fan1975]

Hmm.. anyone notice that Moore seems to be trying to placate TOS fans? The same ones he was arrogant to? Looks like it to me, at least.

DCR


I think that you and I are on the same wavelength. But, I don't buy it at all! :eek:

[Titon]

Ron Moore’s brave re-imagination of the space opera should continue it’s own superior course. I don’t believe most fans of Battlestar Galactica can be bought with this kind of gimmick anyway

Correct sir! For some reason Moore is trying hard to get the originals back in some copacity. Why? To satisfy us?

Interesting, i for one say let this thing stand on it's own 2 feet. If it fails it fails because it was destined to fail. Bringing in some of the old cast is a mistake.

[shiningstar]

Correct sir! For some reason Moore is trying hard to get the originals back in some copacity. Why? To satisfy us?

Interesting, i for one say let this thing stand on it's own 2 feet. If it fails it fails because it was destined to fail. Bringing in some of the old cast is a mistake.

I think you're right about that. I know that MOORE wants HATCH ..........
but as some people pointed out in previous postings ............does HATCH
want or even NEED Moore? ;)

[thomas7g]

Phillosphically, No.

The new show is probably leaving a real bitter taste in his mouth. But like all of us, he's human and has to pay the rent. Both Hatch and Benedict and the other original cast members.

Is it preferable for them to boycott the new show? There are many reasons to answer yes. But like any of us, sometimes you take work cause you could use a paycheck.

:)


I also believe that there would be a silver lining to them taking a job on the new show. I mentioned in another thread that there would be lots of commercials and interviews and articles covering their return to scifi. if they look good, and do a good acting job, that would help Desanto and larson sell the idea to the movie studios and procure funding for the movie.

:)

[The Rain]

I won't cut off my nose to spite my face.

I for one would love to see Hatch play Commander Cain in a recurring role. Someone also mentioned having Benedict play Kara Thrace's father on the Pegasus. I thought that was a killer idea as well. Both would be back on Galactica regularly and most importantly, their rent/mortgages would be paid.

Look at my avatar. Look at those chins. That's actually VERY good casting!! :D

:salute:

[Malkyte]

Bringing any of the original actors into the new series in any other roles, then that they originated in, would not make me tune in any more then now. In fact, it would probably make me less likely.

This is like bringing Shatner or Nimoy back in a new Star Trek series, but as different characters. For me, that would not work.

I would be very suprised to see either agree to be in it, especially Dirk, who has made some very strong comments regarding what he thought of the mini.

I too, would rather see them hold out and be available for the continuation movie that WILL happen!

Malkyte

[dvo47p]

Both Richard and Dirk have stated publically that they are not interested in appearing in the new show and both genetlemen turned down parts in the mini-series. Peter
All systems go for 'Battlestar, BUT ON A BUDGET! CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP did I say CHEAP?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/14/all_systems_go_for_battlestar/
Also returning is writer and executive producer Ronald D. Moore EDITED He knows he's now working on a smaller budget, but doesn't see that as a problem.

"The mini and the series overall were designed to be able to operate on this kind of budget," Moore says. "Because I always knew it was headed for Sci Fi Channel.”

“It would be an interior ship show about these people in this tense situation.” CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP did I say CHEAP?


Moore does hear the concerns of fans of the original series, who have been very vocal throughout the long process of bringing "Battlestar" back to the screen. "I've always thought about trying to revisit a couple of the old episodes," Moore says. "And I'd like to approach some of the actors from the old show to do some roles here. I still mean that. I don't have anything against the old show, and any elements I can pull from it that will work in this universe, I think will be a lot of fun."

And that includes original star Richard Hatch, a fan favorite who tried to launch a "Battlestar" sequel. "Hatch looks great," Moore says. "It would be great to have Richard on."

Every story has USE the die hard fans and our two Cubit’s worth of what should be, go figure?

[angry penguin]

Is it preferable for them to boycott the new show? There are many reasons to answer yes. But like any of us, sometimes you take work cause you could use a paycheck. I:)


I get the feeling that they both don't really need the check. I could be way off, but I don't know. :confused: I still say that Richard and Dirk wouldn't do it, especially after reading both their comments on the mini.

[bsg1fan1975]

For them to appear on the new show would just be selling out. They both are too intelligent to do that. Let the show stand or fall on its own two feet I say! They don't need Richard or Dirk!

[Micheleh]

Well... from what I've read of the Magellan bible, game story and pilot I just edited GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, DID I SAY GREAT? it looks like Richard will probably be too busy!

:D

[shiningstar]

All systems go for 'Battlestar, BUT ON A BUDGET! CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP did I say CHEAP?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/14/all_systems_go_for_battlestar/
Also returning is writer and executive producer Ronald D. Moore EDITED He knows he's now working on a smaller budget, but doesn't see that as a problem.

"The mini and the series overall were designed to be able to operate on this kind of budget," Moore says. "Because I always knew it was headed for Sci Fi Channel.”

“It would be an interior ship show about these people in this tense situation.” CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP did I say CHEAP?


Moore does hear the concerns of fans of the original series, who have been very vocal throughout the long process of bringing "Battlestar" back to the screen. "I've always thought about trying to revisit a couple of the old episodes," Moore says. "And I'd like to approach some of the actors from the old show to do some roles here. I still mean that. I don't have anything against the old show, and any elements I can pull from it that will work in this universe, I think will be a lot of fun."

And that includes original star Richard Hatch, a fan favorite who tried to launch a "Battlestar" sequel. "Hatch looks great," Moore says. "It would be great to have Richard on."

Every story has USE the die hard fans and our two Cubit’s worth of what should be, go figure?

Thanks for posting the links. I'll take the 'two' cubit's worth. A pity Moore
didn't think to THINK OF US when he was making the MINI instead of slapping
us in the face ...... and then trying to throw us starving elephants 1/2 a
peanut afterwards. :rolleyes:

[Antelope]

Moore can't win no matter what he does:

He says he would like to redo the best TOS episodes. The hard core fan is offended.
He says he would like to give real roles to the original cast. The hard core fan is offended.
He says he wants to follow the best TOS themes: The hard core fan is offended.
He makes human-cylon-straight out of the LARSON playbook: The hard core fan is offended.

I would love to see some of my old favorites return even to other roles. I never get mad when I see the myriad of former Star Trek TOS players in the same or more often new roles in TNG or DS9. Majel Barret played at least three separate characters in four different versions of the show.

Richard Hatch seems to have Battlestar in his blood. He would help the franchise and probabaly be a great influence on the set if he had a role.

The last real role I personally seen Dirk Benedict on was a made for TV SCIFI movie with Erin Gray of Buck Rogers and Silver Spoons fame. The show was not at the quality of Moore's Battlestar and I am sure Dirk Benedict didn't get paid a fortune to make it.

The mini was pretty good not perfect but so was Saga of A Star World (Carillon half was pretty weak).

I hope Moore keeps his word on what he says he wants to do. If he does we will have a great series.

Larson made the series and is a hero but he also made BSG1980 and nearly killed the franchise. I am going to give Moore some slack until I see some episodes.

As for making it cheap: What did anyone expect? Any battlestar made on TV today is going to be made cheap. If not it can't financially be done. This has nothing to do with Moore or SCIFI. It has to make money if we are to get more.

[shiningstar]

Larson had so many restrictions placed on him by universal there was no way
he could succeed with BSG80.

[XANATOS]

the mini is not a part of the galactica franchise
and never will be
and ron more had a shot at making evary one happy
and pi**ed it away


XANATOS

[larocque6689]

I heard that Dirk's role was the Armistice Station guy and am not the least bit surprised he turned it down!

I hope if they contact these guys again they don't insult them.

[shiningstar]

the mini is not a part of the galactica franchise
and never will be
and ron more had a shot at making evary one happy
and pi**ed it away


XANATOS

Xanatos .............You are so right. Thank you for joining us and
thank you for your words. :salute:

[shiningstar]

I heard that Dirk's role was the Armistice Station guy and am not the least bit surprised he turned it down!

I hope if they contact these guys again they don't insult them.

"The" station guy? As in the one who gets BLOWN UP(among OTHER things)?
I'm not surprised he turned that one down either ........... :wtf:

[Micheleh]

As for making it cheap: What did anyone expect? Any battlestar made on TV today is going to be made cheap. If not it can't financially be done. This has nothing to do with Moore or SCIFI. It has to make money if we are to get more.

This I *really* don't understand. I could make a low budget film on my PC nowadays, for Sagan's sake. The technology today for production, compositing, effects and so on iss less expensive for more power, and is continuing to become so at a fearful rate.

"Too expensive", when it comes to media, seems to me to be the excuse that holds less water than ever. I think Hollywood has a bit of the White House Syndrome in this regard. ($2000 wrenches, anyone?)

Back in the heyday of Galactica, doing it like that was, well, a Hollywood production! Now, it's almost like "Ok, we need a space battle! Anybody bring their I-Mac?"

:D

If you don't believe me, check out the latest PC World- the short film "Kaze, Ghost Warrior" (whick looks fab) was made by one guy in 6 months for $5,000 bucks.

He used Lightwave on 2 PC's- a dual 2G Xeon and a 1G AMD with a GeForce42. (And I can beat the second already- just got an AMD 3400+ wiht a GeFX5900) ;)

[Antelope]

Shiningstar: The special effects are cheaper but not free. I am sure Titon gets paid for what he does. The potential audience thanks to the huge number of cable channels has shrunk dramatically. The show has a very large paid cast compared to most television shows. Two of the actors are well known (meaning well paid). If the show is a success all the actors will want more money. You may look at this as an excuse but it is the reality this Battlestar and the original Battlestar faced. I guarantee you that Dateline NBC, 60 Minutes, and the Apprentice will all have better ratings than this or any other Galactica, and will be produced at a fraction of the cost. The only advantage Galactica has is that it will hopefully make money in syndication.

XANATOS: The mini is as much a part of the Battlestar Galactica franchise as TOS, BSG1980, the various books, the video game, the posters, the lunch boxes, the DVDs, the models, and any other Battlestar Galactica related things in the world. The fact that you don't like parts of the Galactica franchise is another issue. As with BSG1980 you can pretend it doesn't exist but it did and it effects the Battlestar Galactica franchise to this very day.

Dirk Benedict/Richard Hatch: Moore says he would like them and the rest of the remaining cast to have real roles in a new series. The fact that many people would rather see their favorite actors unemployed rather than in a role they want goes a long way in telling you what's going on in their minds.

For the sake of argument: If Richard Hatch accepted a role in the series because after he read the role and script came to believe it was in the spirit of TOS would those of you who hate the mini be angry or happy? I think most would be angry. As I read the post I am convienced for many no matter what Moore does short of burning the mini and publically apologizing nothing he does will ever be acceptable.

If we take Moore at his word we should see a series more in line with TOS. Since most TOS fans didn't like the whole Carillon part of Saga of A Star World what did you think Moore should do in a remake? If Larson invented the human-cylon why is Moore wrong for doing it?

[Micheleh]

For the sake of argument: If Richard Hatch accepted a role in the series because after he read the role and script came to believe it was in the spirit of TOS would those of you who hate the mini be angry or happy? I think most would be angry. As I read the post I am convienced for many no matter what Moore does short of burning the mini and publically apologizing nothing he does will ever be acceptable.

It has been suggested... if Richard or one of the others were to take a *substantial, serious* role in the new series, it may have the following effects:

1. There could well be a *definite* increase in ratings for any episode featuring a member of TOS in a non-cameo (read: throwaway) role. This would show TPTB the real inclinations of the majority of fandom, and prove support for a continuation film.

2. If a character played by an OS actor became powerful within the story, it could have a positive influence, and open the door for the fans to influence the course of he production.

[jewels]

Well... from what I've read of the Magellan bible, game story and pilot I just edited GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, DID I SAY GREAT? it looks like Richard will probably be too busy!

:D
WooHoo! The man can craft a story, that is for sure. Now to just be in the right place/right time with it. :)

[Antelope]

I am willing to bet money (not really) that the 4-6 million viewers the mini had will not grow in number no matter how good the script is or which TOS actor gets a role. As such I think for this or any other Galactica to survive on TV it better be able to make money based on an original viewership of 3-3.5 million. If they moved the show to NBC or another major network they might be able to double those numbers otherwise they better keep the cost in line with what it cost to keep a success like Stargate SG-1 on cable TV.

[Micheleh]

I am willing to bet money (not really) that the 4-6 million viewers the mini had will not grow in number no matter how good the script is or which TOS actor gets a role. As such I think for this or any other Galactica to survive on TV it better be able to make money based on an original viewership of 3-3.5 million. If they moved the show to NBC or another major network they might be able to double those numbers otherwise they better keep the cost in line with what it cost to keep a success like Stargate SG-1 on cable TV.

This argument, however, assumes that the entire viewing audience of the mini (as yet to be accurately numbered) consisted of people who came wanting to see the mini becuase they thought it was good, and left with the same feeling. I don't tink this was the case- I personally think at *least* half of the mini's audience was curiosity viewing, even among the general public- people who saw the (often misleading) ad campaign, and tuned in out of curiosity and ha;f-remembered nostalgia.

(And yes, it has been argued that the ratings being higher on the second night than the first argues an increase of interest. However, the entire mini was aired on the second night in, I believe, an effort to acquire just those numbers. People waited until the second night to watch it all at one go, so all that this indicates is expediency on the part of hte audience and clever manipulation on the part of SciFi.)

Anyway! Purely my speculation- I'm guessing Moore and SciFi have done the same math, and are unsure they can even generate sufficient numbers to keep the series alive. Therefore, they will do something to appeal to the original fanbase, when forced. I honestly think the return of an OS actor in a *good* role would generate a *significant* bump in viewership. My thought.

[Antelope]

My speculation is that there really is a Battlestar Galactica fan base of at most 6 million. As it was hyped I don't think SCIFI ever expects to see such good ratings again. I think they expect to have a viewership number similar to what they get now with Stargate SG-1. I think attempts to get Hatch etc are a hope to slow the expected decline in viewership versus the mini. I also don't think the numbers of the mini portend well for Desanto or any other theatre based revival attempt. If every person that went out of their way to watch Galactica for free this past December watches at the theatre you will only sell at most 6 million tickets. Since probably half the people will wait for it to come out on video the real number is probably 3 million tickets. I think the last Star Trek movie had better numbers than that and was a commercial failure and an end to the TNG franchise. We need to pray for the success and script of Moore because the franchise is on thin ice.

[dvo47p]

http://pp226.proboards25.com/index.cgi?board=horah&action=display&num=1076796722&start=0


Read this tidbit from KingFish’s Forum, Ronald D. Moore might be running a bit scared?

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/14/all_systems_go_for_battlestar

FIRST) "The mini and the series overall were designed to be able to operate on this kind of budget," Moore says. "Because I always knew it was headed for Sci Fi Channel, I always knew it wasn't going to have a massive budget like they have on `Enterprise' or `Carnivale.

"So I always pitched it as a drama, first and foremost. It wasn't going to have a lot of aliens or planet-of-the-week stuff, which just gobbles up money. It would be an interior ship show about these people in this tense situation.” '

When/If Larson’s ‘Battlestar’ movie sees the silver screen, no doubt it shall have super CG/FX compared to the low budgeted ‘mini’. Let’s ponder this one ok, cable with ads Vs. an MGM movie? All right now let’s do the algorithm on this, 2 + 2 = Going, going, gone, HOMERUN!!!

NEXT) “Moore does hear the concerns of fans of the original series, who have been very vocal throughout the long process of bringing "Battlestar" back to the screen. "I've always thought about trying to revisit a couple of the old episodes," Moore says. "And I'd like to approach some of the actors from the old show to do some roles here. I still mean that. I don't have anything against the old show, and any elements I can pull from it that will work in this universe, I think will be a lot of fun."

And that includes original star Richard Hatch, a fan favorite who tried to launch a "Battlestar" sequel. "Hatch looks great," Moore says. "It would be great to have Richard on."

Think people, Hatch and Benedict have turned down cameo’s before, why rescue Ron when MGM owns Larson’s expansive movie rights, oh that’s right Ron knows about Tom DeSanto’s interest. X-Men movies blew away The Next Generation: Star Trek movies, go figure?

Why waste your possible name in a cable with ads show. Go do the'Battlestar' movie & get your name movie marquee, DUH..........

Moore knows WE are often mentioned in stories re: the ‘mini’, just you wait until the real STARBUCK stories burst forth, if you think portal-boy the water-boy of Ted/Gobbel’s NAZI forum was busy recycling rumors from Trekweb. Ha, real objective serious Zines will have a good old time, with the STARUCK contrast! Real entertainment writers cannot pass up this kind of news! Besides Dirk can act, that sorta puts whatshername out in the rain with a wet cat. The Apollo contrast does not need to be mentioned, never you mind I’ll do it anyway! In the ‘mini’ Ron’s Lee Adama had no personality, Hatch exudes confidence and has a personality, again a no brainier. Caveat on Bamber, I enjoyed him as Mr. Kennedy in those Hornblower shows

[jewels]

DVO everyone knows the actors had little chance of doing well: lack of decent direction and I think you all know what my opinion of the script was....

I hope they at least hire a director worth his Director's Guild card for the series.

I think it will be short-lived, just because Scifi's management is so wishy-washy and doesn't know it's audience to begin with.

[Antelope]

If Galactica had so much going for it and so many easy ways to be made a hit it would have not taken 24 years to remake it or any other incarnation. We love the show but it was a marginal success and a failure once. People think there is something they can make money on but they aren't exactly sure they have the right formula. SCIFI is doing their best stab at it. If it fails it may portend the end of the franchise. People may be standing in line to make Battlestar (Desanto, Larson, Hatch, Moore) but noone but SCIFI is willing to finance it. Whether you like SCIFI or not they are the only ones who have enough faith in Battlestar to put their money where their mouth is.

[Boomer65]

Why waste your possible name in a cable with ads show. Go do the'Battlestar' movie & get your name movie marquee, DUH..........
Just to point something out…more big screen actors are hitting the television circuit than ever – Bonnie Hunt and Reba MacIntire to name a couple. Going to t.v. doesn’t mean your career is in a slump anymore. Anyway, if Hatch, Bennedict, and the others are fine with what they’re doing now (which is nothing) great - but if they maybe want an immediate shot to their career as opposed to a wait-and-maybe? Well I’m pretty sure I know what their agent will say.

Besides Dirk can act, that sorta puts whatshername out in the rain with a wet cat. In the ‘mini’ Ron’s Lee Adama had no personality, Hatch exudes confidence and has a personality, again a no brainier.
Very true. However remember these guys are pushing, what, 60? What kind of draw is there for virtually unknown (outside of our little community) actors at their age on the big screen? I mean, let’s face it, these guys aren’t getting any younger and they haven’t been in the Hollywood spotlight in a very, very long time.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't assume that they'd poo-poo the mini just because it was on TV - that's were these guys became known.

[Antelope]

Did Dirk Benedict get paid for being in "The Lowdown"?

I don't know the answer. If he did that says something about his willingness to work on the mini. If he didn't he may be doing SCIFI a favor since they did star him in a SCIFI made for TV movie a few years back. Either way I don't think Dirk Benedict is an enemy of anything more than a cameo.

[Dawg]

I swear - you guys are trying to paint TOS as some also-ran Lost In Space ripoff.

There were any number of reasons why BSG wasn't pursued by TPTB before now, not the least of which is Universal wouldn't know good science fiction if it came up and bit them on the ass. Kinda like a certain cable TV president we know......

TOS BSG was ahead of its time for television. Grand scale, epic story, rushed by narrow-minded execs into production before it was half ready to go to series.

Hasn't anybody read the material over at cylon.org???? :rage:

OK. I feel better now.

Most of the frustration I feel is the fact that BSG has had such potential over the past 25 years and nobody seemed to recognize it until Fox agreed to fund the DeSanto/Singer effort. That fell through for business reasons, not because it was no good. Hammer and Eick jumped in at that point, and gave it to Moore to shred and create another universe.

We've got 24 years of waiting for Universal to get off it's fat duff and give the Star Trek franchise a run for its money. Then when they finally give us something, it isn't what we've been waiting for for 24 years. And now they have to scramble and announce the really, really want some TOS actors to give a few seconds of face time, because it "would be cool". More likely to try to legitimize their efforts, made despite - and in disrespect of - 24 long years of fan voices falling on deaf ears.

Then we have people dissing TOS as an also-ran ripoff of something else.

Does this sound like frustration? I hope so - that's what I intended. ;)

I ask both of you, antelope and boomer, if you had the opportunity to get a movie - big screen, not small - that was based in the TOS universe - into production, would you? Would you support that as readily as you support the new series?

Or do you actually consider TOS an also-ran?

:devil:

(BTW, Boomer, Reba McIntire is a county music megastar who has done a little acting. Her sitcom is an acting vehicle that doesn't interfere with her music. I wouldn't consider her a major big-screen actress, not yet anyway. Bonnie Hunt, either.)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Antelope]

I support ALL the current continuation efforts even though I am luke warm to the Desanto storyline! I HOPE to see them on the big screen (or small screen) one day. I also think Battlestar Galactica was ahead of its time. If it came out 10 years later when computers were reducing special effects cost it may well still be on the air today in some incarnation.

I just continue to believe that Battlestar is looked at by TPTB not as TOS or BSG80 or the mini but as Battlestar Galactica. As such it has a mixed financial record thus far. The mini is Galacticas third chance at success. I just don't believe TPTB will give the old dog a fourth.

I like the mini version but also feel ANY and ALL hope for any franchise incarnations in the future is tied to Moore's success. As such I hope Hatch, Benedict and the Lord's of Kobol do all they can to make this work.

[shiningstar]

I swear - you guys are trying to paint TOS as some also-ran Lost In Space ripoff.

There were any number of reasons why BSG wasn't pursued by TPTB before now, not the least of which is Universal wouldn't know good science fiction if it came up and bit them on the ass. Kinda like a certain cable TV president we know......

TOS BSG was ahead of its time for television. Grand scale, epic story, rushed by narrow-minded execs into production before it was half ready to go to series.

Hasn't anybody read the material over at cylon.org???? :rage:

OK. I feel better now.

Most of the frustration I feel is the fact that BSG has had such potential over the past 25 years and nobody seemed to recognize it until Fox agreed to fund the DeSanto/Singer effort. That fell through for business reasons, not because it was no good. Hammer and Eick jumped in at that point, and gave it to Moore to shred and create another universe.

We've got 24 years of waiting for Universal to get off it's fat duff and give the Star Trek franchise a run for its money. Then when they finally give us something, it isn't what we've been waiting for for 24 years. And now they have to scramble and announce the really, really want some TOS actors to give a few seconds of face time, because it "would be cool". More likely to try to legitimize their efforts, made despite - and in disrespect of - 24 long years of fan voices falling on deaf ears.

Then we have people dissing TOS as an also-ran ripoff of something else.

Does this sound like frustration? I hope so - that's what I intended. ;)

I ask both of you, antelope and boomer, if you had the opportunity to get a movie - big screen, not small - that was based in the TOS universe - into production, would you? Would you support that as readily as you support the new series?

Or do you actually consider TOS an also-ran?

:devil:

(BTW, Boomer, Reba McIntire is a county music megastar who has done a little acting. Her sitcom is an acting vehicle that doesn't interfere with her music. I wouldn't consider her a major big-screen actress, not yet anyway. Bonnie Hunt, either.)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Dawg ........ you said it perfectly.

Bsg was not and is not a lost in space rip off ..................

And no matter what anyone else says the "MINI" will never EVER be
BSG to ME!

[Dawg]

I support ALL the current continuation efforts even though I am luke warm to the Desanto storyline! I HOPE to see them on the big screen (or small screen) one day. I also think Battlestar Galactica was ahead of its time. If it came out 10 years later when computers were reducing special effects cost it may well still be on the air today in some incarnation.

I just continue to believe that Battlestar is looked at by TPTB not as TOS or BSG80 or the mini but as Battlestar Galactica. As such it has a mixed financial record thus far. The mini is Galacticas third chance at success. I just don't believe TPTB will give the old dog a fourth.

I like the mini version but also feel ANY and ALL hope for any franchise incarnations in the future is tied to Moore's success. As such I hope Hatch, Benedict and the Lord's of Kobol do all they can to make this work.

Good answer, antelope! Just what I was hoping to read.

I think your view is narrow, though. I don't think future success of any BSG franchise is dependent upon the success or failure of the Moore BSG.

It is the interest level, it is the salesmanship, it is the strength of those who would helm a movie and the fans backing them. If Tom DeSanto (with Glen Larson in tow) walked into (for example) MGM and said "I want to do this BSG movie, and here are a zillion letters from people who will buy tickets" it wouldn't matter which universe the story was told in - MGM would fall all over themselves to pay out a few tens of millions of dollars to fund the production, looking forward to the hundreds of millions they'd get back, under those circumstances.

The TOS universe ain't dead yet. We can still show Universal that they sat on a gold mine for 25 years and didn't do squat with it.

But not if we continue to look at TOS as a half-baked, minor blip on the science fiction radar, but recognize the incredible potential that was only partly realized in 1978. Not if we look at the Moore effort as "third strike and you're out".

See, that's my point, and not just about whether Richard or Dirk ever do show up on Moore's series. Regardless of what eventually happens with that, it's a two-edged sword - and we can swing that sword to whatever advantage or disadvantage we want to.

Me, I hope I never see their faces on Moore's Galactica, simply because it's so much different than their Galactica. And I get the impression that any offer to do so would have to be very, very substantial - not likely, all things considered.

But the potential of TOS is still there, regardless.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[shiningstar]

I agree that the success or Failure of BSG is NOT contingent on Moore's ..........mini.

I think we just need to wait it out for the Desanto version or a NEW BSG with the
original characters but different actors (story line though that is still TRUE to the
TOS universe .............however).

Whether or not we 'all' agree with it; I think it has great and I do mean GREAT potential.

[Antelope]

Dawg:
I think you're wrong but hope you're right!

[Boomer65]

I ask both of you, antelope and boomer, if you had the opportunity to get a movie - big screen, not small - that was based in the TOS universe - into production, would you? Would you support that as readily as you support the new series?
Sure I would – as long as I wasn’t mortgaging my house to get it. Look, I’ve made my reasons clear on a couple of forums as to why I don’t think a TOS continuation would work on the big screen so I won’t repeat them again. And yes, I’d probably pay to go see it. But…and this is the one point I’ll repeat…they’re not in the business of making movies for the small fandom we have going on here.
BTW, Boomer, Reba McIntire is a county music megastar who has done a little acting. Her sitcom is an acting vehicle that doesn't interfere with her music. I wouldn't consider her a major big-screen actress, not yet anyway. Bonnie Hunt, either.
Are you saying Reba, of Tremors fame, isn’t a big-screen actress!!!! :confused: … :D Anyway, I disagree with you on Bonnie (Jumanji, Cheaper By the Dozen, Beethoven, et al) Hunt.

Look, I liked TOS – but I’m not going to lionize it. It had flaws albeit a lot fewer than BSG03. I also think that Hatch/Benedict were better than their BSG03 counterparts too but we’re judging an entire season against a 2-hour mini.

Finally, I stand by my remarks regarding Hatch’s/Benedict’s age. If they want to get their faces on the screen again – well here’s a GOLDEN opportunity. I loved Hatch in Dead Man’s Curve (I’ll admit it, I cried at the end) and Benedict in A-Team so I know they’re more than capable of roles outside of BSG but they just haven’t had any decent exposure in the past couple of decades.

[Bombadil]

This is like bringing Shatner or Nimoy back in a new Star Trek series, but as different characters. For me, that would not work.



Nor for me. I like the new show. But it's not the same as TOS. Two different shows, both good, but for different reasons. Connecting them by signing on Hatch and/or Dirk would only emphasize that it's only a TV show, make it harder to suspend disbelief and actually get involved with the story. Also, because the new one is a different paradigm, you can't bring in the old Apollo. Jamie Bamber IS Apollo. Hatch can't be the original Apollo, and he can't be somebody else.
Let the new show stand or fall on its own.
:star:

[Rowan]

sorry I could figure out how to fix my mistake

[Rowan]

For lack of a better place to post this I must say my eyes have been opened wide reading all the postings I had absolutely no clue what all of you have been feeling and working for, for 26 years and can’t even begin to imagine. When BSG went off the air I was a kid, I was devastated! But it never occurred to me that there was anything I could do to make it come back. It has never occurred to me that the powers that be gave a flying #$%@ about my feelings about any show I’ve ever loved and was cancelled too soon. I’ve just always thought oh well it was nice while it lasted. What I have done though is video taped every series I’ve ever loved as it aired (you can imagine how many videos I have), so that when they did pull the plug as they usually do to the shows I tend to love, I at least had something. Now until Jan 5 of this year I’ve never had a computer, or hook up to the internet in my home, and since I’ve done few office type jobs in my life, I’ve never had any kind of regular connection to the internet when I did it was mostly for research for school.. Until an inadvertent comment from a friend around this past Christmas I didn’t even know there was a mini BSG. That’s when I hit the net to see if there was any info I could learn about it and discovered all of you (which I’m very excited about). Being the Sci fi Junky that I am I was suffering from withdrawals with the loss of Farscape and thinking great here we go again. I need some kind of Sci fi to keep me alive, allow me to escape mentally from the intensity of studying. I really didn’t know how I was going to get through the next semester without one programme to really look forward to each week, and then like a miracle BSG popped back into the picture, I was elated , until I read about all the changes then I was horrified, but I felt desperate for something! So I told myself to keep an open mind give it a try. I must admit I did struggle a lot over Starbuck as well as other issues but the mini did give me the “out in space” feeling I was desperate for, then I hear all the action will be inside the ship and not flying around in the vipers shooting cylons etc (which I love). I feel really awful hearing that you have all been working for so long over this and to have your dreams ripped away, to not be heard, validated, and rewarded for such incredible loyalty!!! I would have felt much better about the whole thing instead of feeling guilty for liking the mini if they had just taken the approach that Star Trek did with Deep Space Nine, Voyager, etc. keep the space world the same pick another Battlestar and follow their adventures then it would never have interfered with our memories of the original or diverted attention from the continuity, then if this version had been welcomed it would have paved the way for a whole bunch of BSG programmes, movies etc the way Star Trek did. They really didn’t think this out very well. Thank you all for keeping the faith alive all these years, I feel like such a bad neglectful fan.

[Antelope]

I just read the the Hatch interview on cylon.org and I get the impression Hatch has issues with any version that does not have a 58 year old Apollo and or Starbuck in their "ordained" roles as the Leaders of a Continuation. Hatch was not thrilled by the Desanto story with either Apollo, Tigh, or Starbuck as written. It is funny to read he has fan hate mail with things he did in his books via Cassiopeia, Athena, Starbuck, and Apollo. It appears everyone has there perfect vision of Galactica and is easily offended.

It was interesting that Hatch says he respects Moore and if you read into the interview he doesn't have issues with the mini if you look at it as a separate story from the "real" Galactica.

I see an aging actor who wants to be the hero in the limelight once again....I see Commander Caine! Now we need Moore to make it happen. Hatch could play Commander Caine in the spin off series...Battlestar Pegasus. He's not made of money. He would do well financially and his ego would not suffer!

[Bombadil]

I would have felt much better about the whole thing . . . if they had just taken the approach that Star Trek did with Deep Space Nine, Voyager, etc. keep the space world the same pick another Battlestar and follow their adventures then it would never have interfered with our memories of the original or diverted attention from the continuity, then if this version had been welcomed it would have paved the way for a whole bunch of BSG programmes, movies etc the way Star Trek did. They really didn't think this out very well.

Very perceptive comment. The good thing about Star Trek was that TNG was set in the future of the same timeline and paradigm. Captain Kirk was in their history books. Scotty could actually make a plausible appearance.

BSG could have done the same sort of thing, replaying the original sneak attack more or less according to the original story, and then shifted the camera to the Pegasus. Or a third battlestar. But by totally redoing the central story, they created a rift that cannot be closed. That's kind of a shame. It will make it hard to have a motion picture based on the original story. It seems to me that if the new BSG succeeds, the old one will have to fade away, as the original Star Trek did, only more so.
:star:

[kingfish]

TOS Trek faded away because the suits in Hollywood decided that Kirk and crew were TOO OLD to continue on. They also came up with another brainstorm, the audience could NEVER accept the Next Generation unless Kirk was killed off( Ron wrote the script for this baby). I could go on but I have travelled down this path many times. IMHO First Contact should have been the first of the Next Generation movies leaving the legend of James Tiberius Kirk intact.

[shiningstar]

TOS Trek faded away because the suits in Hollywood decided that Kirk and crew were TOO OLD to continue on. They also came up with another brainstorm, the audience could NEVER accept the Next Generation unless Kirk was killed off( Ron wrote the script for this baby). I could go on but I have travelled down this path many times. IMHO First Contact should have been the first of the Next Generation movies leaving the legend of James Tiberius Kirk intact.

You are so right Kingfish and yes Moore does write well ......................
WHEN there is a PROVEN formula that he has to follow WHETHER OR NOT
'he' likes it.

What Universal did was wrong in giving Moore a "FREEHAND" ..........he
basically shot BSG and 'THE Proven formula' to hades and back ..........
and then he wanders WHY the Fans who Actually watched BSG .........
aren't HAPPY with him ................... :wtf:

[Antelope]

Star Trek has its own continuity issues between their TOS, TOS based movies and TNG. The central one being issues with the Klingons. I am sure on a Star Trek site we could go into detail but the history of the Federation/Klingon Peace does not work between the two. When you watch one you have to suspend some belief in the other. Does it make either the "real" Star Trek? Not in my mind. The "real" Galactica is TOS and then Earth found in 1980. Anything we do suspends belief or is an alternate history unless you do a continuation of BSG1980. Ignoring BSG1980 is just as good an answer as the mini is an alternate version of history (like what if the South won the Civil War). Since the entire story of Battlestar Galactica is fictional no real HISTORY is being trampled.

TOS is Battlestar Galactica and BSG 1980 is a continuation of TOS. The Mini is an alternate history of Battlestar Galactica. The Desanto or Hatch Project can be a continuation of either TOS or the mini and is an alternate history of BSG 1980. We even have room for a prequel of all the current versions. You can even make a prequel of TOS and the mini that are completely compatible. To me the mini says what if the armistice in TOS was real. What may have happened?

[Bombadil]

TOS is Battlestar Galactica and BSG 1980 is a continuation of TOS.

Technically true. But I side with those who prefer to pretend that B80 never happened. Not just because it was poor, but because I, personally, don't like the premise of the remnants of a mighty civilization stumbling across a bunch of poor waifs who need to be protected themselves and who have nothing to offer the ragtag fleet. Frankly, I'm a little tired of the mantra that earth is just a mote of dust, an insignificant speck in the mighty universe.

Forget that. The ragtag fleet needs to find an earth two or three hundred years from now. An Earth that has advanced military technology to offer the Colonials, while the Colonials may know a few things that earth hasn't discovered yet. The final season of the series (note the implication!) will revolve around the ultimately successful campaign to rid the galaxy of the Cylon threat.

Such an ending ignores G80, but it doesn't necessarily do violence to TOS--the radio signals that they received from the Eagle landing on the moon could have been travelling through space for a couple of hundred years.

Note also that there are at least two different ways that the Cylons could be defeated. One is simply to wipe them out as they tried to wipe out the Colonies. Very satsifying. Very Rambo. Very Dirty Harry. But we could, in an alternate ending, overwhelm them so thoroughly that they accept an honorable peace and actually learn to live in harmony with humans. That's not entirely Politically Correct, because in a PC version we would acknowledge that WE were in the wrong and persuade them to forgive US and let us live. No way would I watch THAT premise without throwing something at the TV set. But to defeat them militarily and then allow them to become our allies (as happened with Germany and Japan after the last great war) would be acceptable.

But Galactica 80 never happened!

:warrior:

[shiningstar]

Technically true. But I side with those who prefer to pretend that B80 never happened. Not just because it was poor, but because I, personally, don't like the premise of the remnants of a mighty civilization stumbling across a bunch of poor waifs who need to be protected themselves and who have nothing to offer the ragtag fleet. Frankly, I'm a little tired of the mantra that earth is just a mote of dust, an insignificant speck in the mighty universe.

Forget that. The ragtag fleet needs to find an earth two or three hundred years from now. An Earth that has advanced military technology to offer the Colonials, while the Colonials may know a few things that earth hasn't discovered yet. The final season of the series (note the implication!) will revolve around the ultimately successful campaign to rid the galaxy of the Cylon threat.

Such an ending ignores G80, but it doesn't necessarily do violence to TOS--the radio signals that they received from the Eagle landing on the moon could have been travelling through space for a couple of hundred years.

Note also that there are at least two different ways that the Cylons could be defeated. One is simply to wipe them out as they tried to wipe out the Colonies. Very satsifying. Very Rambo. Very Dirty Harry. But we could, in an alternate ending, overwhelm them so thoroughly that they accept an honorable peace and actually learn to live in harmony with humans. That's not entirely Politically Correct, because in a PC version we would acknowledge that WE were in the wrong and persuade them to forgive US and let us live. No way would I watch THAT premise without throwing something at the TV set. But to defeat them militarily and then allow them to become our allies (as happened with Germany and Japan after the last great war) would be acceptable.

But Galactica 80 never happened!

:warrior:

Well written as always. :thumbsup:

[Antelope]

I prefer to pretend BSG80 never happened also. I also like your ideas of where the new series should go reference Earth. I just point out from time to time that people go crazy about ignoring one version of history in Galactica and turn around and are happy to ignore another. I have no problem ignoring BSG1980 except when I'm watching it. I have no problem looking at the mini as an alternate history. By most arguments against the "validity" of the mini, BSG1980 is the "real" Battlestar Galactica.

I always thought that if it took 20 years to find Earth in 1980 after leaving Terra the colonials would have been so angry Commander Adama would have been hung! It also would be very immoral for the colonials to abandon billions of humans to the cylons in the Terra systems and hope for the best just to save their rag tag fleet of 10,000 or less people. Technology wise the terra based people were not far behind the Galactica. As the one member of the Eastern Alliance accurately stated they actually had more military power than the Galactica fleet.

For the continuity challenged: Apollo can't intercept transmissions of the moon landing which took place in 1969 and then have the Galactica appear 20 years later at Earth in 1980. BSG1980 needed to be at least called Galactica 1991! :eek:

[Winemaster]

The ship of lights being, John, sent Apollo on the mission to Terra to save the Terrans from themselves.
It was in the Colonials interest that Terra be saved and also in the BOL interests.
John stated that the Colonials had to move on. There is a time line implied here that has to be fullflled in order for the BOL to continue to exist.
The BOL obviously knew that the Cylons would never discover Terra.

[shiningstar]

The ship of lights being, John, sent Apollo on the mission to Terra to save the Terrans from themselves.
It was in the Colonials interest that Terra be saved and also in the BOL interests.
John stated that the Colonials had to move on. There is a time line implied here that has to be fullflled in order for the BOL to continue to exist.
The BOL obviously knew that the Cylons would never discover Terra.

Winemaster I think you made some very valid points. Keep posting :thumbsup:

[dvo47p]

I hope they at least hire a director worth his Director's Guild card for the series. Tell it jewels, Michael Rymer ruined ‘Queen of the Damned’, Anne Rice’s fans did a boycott of Rymer’s ‘Queen of the Damned’, but they need not have bothered, it stank. Suits running studios tend to notice these things, hell check out Moore: http://imdb.com/name/nm0601822/ Eick: http://imdb.com/name/nm0251594/ & Rymer: http://imdb.com/name/nm0753382/ nada, zip post Galactica lite, go figure?
I think it will be short-lived, just because Scifi's management is so wishy-washy and doesn't know it's audience to begin with. Farscape, Babylon 5: Crusade, TNN/Spike out bid Scifi for ST: TNG & Polaris http://worldsofjms.com/projects.htm#polaris “was turned down for being "too science fictiony" damned odd for a channel called Scifi, go figure? Take a look-see what is a coming The Scifi Channel’s way. < http://www.scifi.com/onair/shows >

GEE WHIZ RECON RON HEARS SOME Battlestar Galactica stuff we don’t know about, I hope so.*

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/14/all_systems_go_for_battlestar/

Moore does hear the concerns of fans of the original series, which have been very vocal throughout the long process of bringing "Battlestar" back to the screen. "I've always thought about trying to revisit a couple of the old episodes," Moore says. "And I'd like to approach some of the actors from the old show to do some roles here. I still mean that. I don't have anything against the old show, and any elements I can pull from it that will work in this universe, I think will be a lot of fun."

And that includes original star Richard Hatch, a fan favorite who tried to launch a "Battlestar" sequel. "Hatch looks great," Moore says. "It would be great to have Richard on."




*BATTLESTAR PEGASUS?

[shiningstar]

Tell it jewels, Michael Rymer ruined ‘Queen of the Damned’, Anne Rice’s fans did a boycott of Rymer’s ‘Queen of the Damned’, but they need not have bothered, it stank. Suits running studios tend to notice these things, hell check out Moore: http://imdb.com/name/nm0601822/ Eick: http://imdb.com/name/nm0251594/ & Rymer: http://imdb.com/name/nm0753382/ nada, zip post Galactica lite, go figure?
Farscape, Babylon 5: Crusade, TNN/Spike out bid Scifi for ST: TNG & Polaris http://worldsofjms.com/projects.htm#polaris “was turned down for being "too science fictiony" damned odd for a channel called Scifi, go figure? Take a look-see what is a coming The Scifi Channel’s way. < http://www.scifi.com/onair/shows >

GEE WHIZ RECON RON HEARS SOME Battlestar Galactica stuff we don’t know about, I hope so.*

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/02/14/all_systems_go_for_battlestar/

Moore does hear the concerns of fans of the original series, which have been very vocal throughout the long process of bringing "Battlestar" back to the screen. "I've always thought about trying to revisit a couple of the old episodes," Moore says. "And I'd like to approach some of the actors from the old show to do some roles here. I still mean that. I don't have anything against the old show, and any elements I can pull from it that will work in this universe, I think will be a lot of fun."

And that includes original star Richard Hatch, a fan favorite who tried to launch a "Battlestar" sequel. "Hatch looks great," Moore says. "It would be great to have Richard on."




*BATTLESTAR PEGASUS?

Excellent Post Dvo ..................:thumbsup: