From My Heart, and I Hope From All Of Ours... [Archive]

Muffit

February 5th, 2004, 11:45 PM

A warm welcome to each and every one of you who have taken the time out of your busy lives to join us today. This open dialog exists today in part because of many of you, who expressed sadness at Colonial Fleets’ closing, and hopeful wishes of the return of this unique gathering place. The other part is due to the kind hearts of the owner and admins (Muffit’s comment ;)), without whom CF would never have been envisioned.

Those of you who know me, know my penchant for analogous musings, and I thought today if you didn’t mind I would share a brief one with you that is much the mirror of where we gaze back on ourselves today.

Many a musing found my older brother much the dreaded troublemaker, but I would be remiss if I did not tell you his other side, the truly big hearted young man he became. For you see, by High School’s deeper pool of burgeoning emotions, he had become the Will Rogers of secondary school: he never met anyone he didn’t like. He tried ever so hard to make friends with everyone; with a silly smile, half shy, half hoping, and the importunity to persist till friendship had been won.

But one boy did not bend to this fond earnestness, in fact the silly smile he found offensive. He wanted nothing of my brother, and made it very clear. But innocent hearts do not see the danger, and each new try brought anger’s mercury up another line. Till one day after school, when cold hands strive to catch an oblong ball in armor of white, his final gleeful shoulder pat on this boy was just too much. The boy ran madly at him from behind, and clipped my brother’s legs beneath him. And those of you who know your “super” game, know well how dangerous such a tackle is. The hospital found a new tenant that day.

Some days later, an inquiry was launched and boy and brother were brought before the powers that be. To his assailant’s chagrin, my brother denied the boy’s intent, and said instead it was just an accident at play. And would you know, that after that day, they became as fast of friends as any ever were.

Today we meet again to try and heal open wounds. And reconcile the love we have for BSG, toward those who make up its heart. Be frank and kind, and willing to bend, just like my brother’s legs so long ago.

Affectionately,
Muffit and the Admins of Colonial Fleets

Sept17th

February 6th, 2004, 12:56 AM

When Colonial Fleets is “down” we all lose an important part of Galactica fandom. I want to be clear although I’m not as sweet nor write as well as Muffit I want Colonial Fleets to be available to Battlestar Galactica fans. Because of the state the franchise is in Colonial Fleets can’t just be a friendly geekzone where we discuss the color of a knob on top of the blaster pistol in episode 13.

Things at the Cylon Alliance have been heated at times and that’s fine the “girly men” are forewarned before entering. How is it at CA where the gloves are off people seem to get a long famously? At “Fleets” where the govt. imposes “Happy-Thoughts” why do people get their panties in a bind?

If that question can’t be answered I fear “Fleets” will continue it’s cycle of bi-annual closure.

I believe the truth is there are people who like both incarnations of Battlestar Galactica…no one likes Galactica 1980. :) There are people who only like one version or another. We don’t have the luxury of being one happy family but we should be able to coexist with respect.
:cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon: :cylon:

thomas7g

February 6th, 2004, 02:02 AM

Welcome back everyone. :)

We still aren't sure we want to open up, but we were VERY impressed by all the email and wonderful posting we saw across the net. :)

We are still not sure we want to jump back into Foruming, but we were convinced by the outpouring we saw and some dear friends, most notably Muffit, that we should at least try to consider solutions. :)

How is it at CA where the gloves are off people seem to get a long famously? At “Fleets” where the govt. imposes “Happy-Thoughts” why do people get their panties in a bind?

Jon, In a word, SANDY. Sandy is remarkably skilled at handling that forum. Also if anyone is an arse, Sandy will pound the hell out of them. We just ask folks to be nice to each other. But we don't pound folks, we put up with alot of crap. That's one of our problems. Also, CA's registration isn't open to the public which helps.

The differences between CF and CA would fill a book. There are positives and negatives about both approaches. But both forums do go through their share of problems.

Sci-Fi

February 6th, 2004, 03:35 AM

Being a newbie, I can only hope you reconsider and reopen CF. Below is a collage of posts I made at other forums:

In my limited time there, I thought CF was a great site and hope it returns. Some people may have complained about "over-moderation", but IMHO, it was moving towards a more family, all BSG fans are welcome oriented site where language, personal attacks, lengthly point-counter point arguments, etc. were properly moderated and limited in scope. There were plenty of other forum sections to discuss other topics and Sci-Fi programs. This may have been a major shift in philosophy from the past and some members may have resisted any change in the format.

Go to some other websites and forums, the Mods there will ban you if you step out of line or break the rules. If you are lucky, you may get one warning. Critical critiquing of a show, episode, the acting, etc. is allowed, but attacking another member because they like or dis-like a show or episode is a major no-no. Some sites even state that your signature cannot contain a link to a site, other than your own personal website, that you are personally profiting from, or you will have to become an official (paid) sponsor of the site before it's allowed. If one is looking for an "anything goes forum", then there are plenty available on the net. Otherwise, whoever owns the website or forum, makes the rules (and pays the bills).

If true that CF is gone, I would like to thank the CF owner(s), admins, moderators, and all the wonderful people I had the pleasure of posting with at CF for providing an excellent and cozy place in which to meet and discuss ALL things BSG. If financing was a concern, I would have donated to help pay for the additional bandwidth and to help defray costs.

I am truly sad that whatever caused the decision to "pull the plug" was ever made.

Aaron Douglas had mentioned that he was going to try to add in plug for CF in one of his lines. Sadly he will not have a chance to do so. Or maybe he could still do it as a tribute to CF.

The CF BSG smilies are the best and the most original I've seen in a long time.

Take care CF, I for one will miss it.

If you bring CF back, the only suggestions I have is that if a moderator is engaged in a debate, only another moderator(s) not involved in the thread can close the thread or edit posts within that thread. That would prevent any appearance of conflict-of-interest. Also, just merge the anti and pro mini forums if deleting the posts in one forum is causing so much controversy. Newbies are smart enough to skip threads they don't want to read and (from the time I joined CF) I didn't see any newbies posting flame bait in the TOS or Continuation sections. In fact, many newbies enjoy both versions and would like to see a continuation movie made too. Just review your posting policies and apply them evenly. Many forums post their policies (sticky) at the top of each forum section, so there is no excuse for not reading or noticing them.

:cool: :salute: :warrior:

bsg1fan1975

February 6th, 2004, 03:38 AM

Let me know if there is anything i can do to help!

CylonLucifer

February 6th, 2004, 03:48 AM

'm not one who makes a lot of posts, nor do I always logon, but I do visit to read what others have on their minds, especially concerning both versions of Battlestar Galactica. I admit that I'm not a mini or "new" BSG supporter but that shouldn't matter to anyone but me. I don't go off on rants about what one should or shouldn't like because that's a matter of personal preference to each individual. If you like TOS, that's fine. If you like the mini, that's fine. But people are going to express themselves on their likes, which is what a BSG forum should be. Personal attacks are not, or should not be, part of any Battlestar Galactica forum. Unlike the Skiffy board, the moderators on the rest of the internet boards attend to posts after they've appeared. If something offensive is noted, it's removed. That's the way a board should be run. We need the kinds of open, nearly conversational forums that boards like Colonial Fleets and others provide. When we lose one of these forums, it's a loss to everyone who has an opinion of either version of BSG.
My comment to the mods/admins of CF.....keep it open and let the discussion begin.............

Lurkerzrule

February 6th, 2004, 06:28 AM

I am truely happy to see a dialogue open up about Cf closing down. Those of us, like myself, who were not privy to the information of the behind-the-scenes "drama" were shocked at the shutting down af such a fine site.

My experiences here posting(which were limited due to work load) were always pleasant. I thought the mods and admins did everything in the power to make fleets inclusive to all sections of BSG fandom.

I have to admit, I was kinda miffed at the "anti-mini" thread being closed down, but also realized the direction the owner of CF was going. As my money wasn't paying for the bandwidth, my choice was to take a wait and see stance and see how it went. I still think CF needs someplace where people can intelligently debate the flaws that will arise in RDM's BSG. Just as flaws exist in BSG TOS. Plus, who doesn't like a good beaver joke and reading what the status is w/ a continuation or movie :)

I don't give out personal info about myself on the net. I felt comfortable enough with CF and the way it was run to join the site. The look,style, and caliber of its posters made it one of the best BSG BB and one of the reasons its membership wants it back.

If Fleets decides to come back, I have no problem donating money to help defrey the costs involved in running the site. My email is available if you need anything else. If Fleets decide not to come back, thanks to everyone who made CF was it was- A major part of this BSG fans diet.

Lurkerz ("I miss lurking here")rule

Lusitan

February 6th, 2004, 07:09 AM

At one time i stoped posting here, just lurking. I felt CF was also reimagined and i didn't like it.
Titon, i liked to read your post, i agree with most of it and i hope for a continuation of TOS CF. :)

unowhoandwhy

February 6th, 2004, 07:18 AM

I don't have anything else to add except that I would really like to see CF come back. I don't know how to resolve the bitter infighting that seems to occur in online fandoms, but I think it is a real shame that a few "squeaky wheels" seem to get all the grease and ruin it for the rest of us. I know it's a cliche', but can't we all just get along? Are we not all fans of Battlestar Galactica, no matter what shape that may take?

jewels

February 6th, 2004, 07:25 AM

Hi everyone,
It's good to talk to all of you again. I loved this place even when it caused me stress--the non-stressing people-- the majority--were worth it.

I hope a way can be found for it to continue. I think that allowing the mini fans a place to both praise and evaluate their show (and grumble about SciFi's usual ambivalent decision making) is a good thing. Not an easy thing as this property has a unique history: what being resigned to the occasional syndicated airing, relegated to comics and hard to find novels will do to a fanbase after 25 years. Especially when that fanbase just kept telling TPTB that they were here and hungry for product and the product produced was so...very...different.

I didn't join here until I'd lurked and read and finally asked a question about some geek detail in one of Richard's books. And joined in on one of OWD's postathons. But this rapidly became a home of sorts and I hope it is one I get to visit again. Thank you to everyone who ran parts of it at various points in time and thank you Don for believing in it even when it overshot your original purpose. ;)

Don, should you decide to remain closed, can you do us addicts one favor? Give us 48hrs to say our goodbyes? I just can't deal with the *bang* it's gone thing....too many friends here. Too many good memories. Do what you need to do with openning or closing. In spite of all the muck there was a good spirit, a community, created here, but all groups have their cycles of life and times where changes are necessary. I don't know where this one's future lies: I can only see that it still could have a value to those involved.

Jewels

cobrastrikelead

February 6th, 2004, 07:26 AM

Well at least Fleets is back on line. Yeah, I was able to go to a lot of other web-sites that I have been meaning to check out or check back on, but after about a week of no Fleets...Fleets is Back. It is a good day.

Gemini1999

February 6th, 2004, 07:46 AM

I'm very happy to see Fleets is back....it just wasn't the same without it.

I would like to say something though, I would like to thank Don, Tom & the Mods for all their hard work to run this place - I've no idea what it really takes to do it every day. From what you guys have let out into public discussion recently, if anyone has anything to say in a critical tone, they need to pull the same duty and see if they can do better.

I've heard some say that Fleets imposes "warm and fuzzy" on it's members, but I've never really felt that way at all. I've been able to say what I want here, I just keep the four letter words out when trying to express myself. If I really need to express myself more directly, I use PM or email and keep it off the forum.

I hope that Fleets is around to stay.....!

Bryan
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Westy

February 6th, 2004, 07:54 AM

It's great you're reconsidering! I miss coming here and reading stuff, and there were actually quite a few threads I really miss...specially the DVD set trivia one....also IMO this was the only place which had an actual living pro-mini forum running on which I felt safe posting on. When you left I couldn't for the life of me think of any other place to go for that. I know things out here can be stressful, but if you ever need any help with anything, I can make some time available to help.

Go CF go!

Viper4

February 6th, 2004, 09:21 AM

Over the years I have seen many fandoms come to these types of impasses. Where the words are viscous and the behavior is childish. I have seen some fandoms survive this and other die a horrible death. Two examples would be Star-Trek, that eventually survived its test of fire, and Beauty and the Beast, which did not, and imploded in on itself. Through out this I have always know that Battlestar Galactica could survive this test of fire, but when CA closed it’s boards, and became a members only board, it was the first death nil to this fandom. But there was still hope for this fandom, and it was CF. It has always been here and always stood true. It has weather the storms of hatred and to me it looked like they had survived. Now I see CF is instead in danger of sinking. You cannot know what you mean to the survival of this fandom. This fandom will die with out you. You will be the final nail in that coffin. Boards all over fandom are dieing, they are imploding in on themselves or simply shutting down. Please don’t go. We need you.

You have weathered the bizarre behaviors, the hatred and slander, the all out war, and you have survived. I can always come to this board and know the moderators will do their best to keep the discussion civil. Are they gods? Have they made no mistakes? Of course not, they are human and if I ever meet a perfect human I’ll know the Cylons have arrived, because no human is perfect.

But, you have done the best you could in an impossible situation and have earned my respect in doing so. No one could have been prepared for this, but you have done well.

I am an unknown fan, even though I have been in this fandom since before the Internet. I have seen this fandom go from newsletters and fan clubs to nothing more than that fire we all kept in our hearts. Then the Internet came and it grew and blossomed into something I never thought it could. Yet, there are hundreds of fans like me out there. Ones that are not apart of any particular click and thus unknown but still there, still fighting to keep this fandom from imploding. I know this fandom can survive and I know we need CF to do it. For the fires of hate run on all sides and the war is against ourselves. Without a place to talk our differences out, a please to talk through the hate, then how can we survive? I want this fandom to survive; I want CF to survive as it was. Please, don’t go and don’t close your board and become a members only place. Don’t give into the fear and don’t let those who have tried so hard to destroy this fandom win.

If you need anything from me, just ask.

Tyrol

February 6th, 2004, 09:57 AM

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 09:57 AM

Am checking all the posts this morning and am happy to see all of you. All are good words and most welcome, to this daggit's mind. Viper4 your words are especially touching, and I feel, true. With the world (especially the BSG world) gradually becoming smaller and smaller and havens for being oneself slowly vanishing, this site is such a vital artery to the hearts which need its flow.

What CF means to me, I need to say, is an open marketplace of old. An expansive and varied square where you might meet any kind of view, like produce, and whether you like them all or not at least the choice is there. Rude or kind, extreme or mild, warm and fuzzy or spiteful and firm, a cacophony of voices all of which have in times past, been granted the chance to breathe and beat and dream aloud, by an owner who is rare to find these days.

CF has meant more to me than any of you know, even if it was never meant to be so. The friends I've made here complete my life, and make the day worth waking to. And for its future, in Uhura's words to Kirk in Star Trek III, when hijacking the Enterprise in a desperate act to save a friend, and said better than I ever could:

"And admiral... all my hopes".

Affectionately,
:muffit:

unowhoandwhy

February 6th, 2004, 10:03 AM

I must warn people about what question would go ignored.
Questions regarding schedule, story lines of the future, future scripts, production specifics and the like.
Aaron, I'm glad to hear that you haven't been driven away completely. I would hope that everyone could respect your wishes, even though I'm sure we would ALL love to hear about future stories, etc. :cry:
You possibly coming back to a bboard is one more reason why I hope SciFi announces things officially SOON, so that we can all have wonderful discussions again (or at least agree to disagere).

Gemini1999

February 6th, 2004, 10:05 AM

Good to see you all. This site is an appropriate direction for fandom. I do not like feeling uncomfortable at the thought of speaking to fans. If this site continues with the mandate put forth here my confort level would be such that I may return.
If this ever happens I must warn people about what question would go ignored.
Questions regarding schedule, story lines of the future, future scripts, production specifics and the like.
Questions pertaining to me the person, Tyrol and how I see him, the sharing of thoughts, the debate over good vs. bad and things of this nature are what I would happily discuss.
Things that are not for me to comment on I will not so don't even ask. If something were to be taken and twisted or attributed unfairly to me I would be forced to leave. That is not something I would like to do again but I cannot have what just happened happen again.
I hope you all understand and I will hopefully be speaking with you soon.
Just so you know I will not be back before an official announcement either way by Sci-fi.

Aaron -

Thanks for poking your head in here. I can appreciate the nature of what you said and your criteria as to what is "discussable" is very fair to everyone. We wouldn't want you to endanger your job because something was taken out of context and spread across the intenet. I suppose that's the real trick isn't it? I hope is that you are well and things are looking good at your end. We look forward to you returning when SciFi makes their official announcement.

Best regards,
Bryan
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shiningstar

February 6th, 2004, 10:14 AM

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 10:30 AM

Hi Shiningstar! Many thanks! But I must say, the person to truly thank is Don. This wonderful place is here because of him. And though I would give anything from my life to save this cornerstone of my heart, the "desperate charcoal" I hold and write with, would be nothing without a wall to write on; and it is his pain and patience which buttresses that masonry.

So glad to see and talk with you again :).
Affectionately,
Muffit

repcisg

February 6th, 2004, 11:30 AM

My two-cents. I’ve been following Battlestar Galactica discussions going back to the early 90’s when bulletin boards began carrying discussion groups. I’ve observed many changes, in both attitude and understanding. For many years a hardcore group existed that positively hated Battlestar Galactica and would attack any one expressing support for it. To day, in some ways those people still exist, they will always be with us. But now we have a new version, different, not what I would want, but it’s there. We must deal with it.

From the beginning Battlestar Galactica has evolved, it’s fandom has evolved. Both will continue to do so, sometimes gently and other times with great pain. The question we must ask are selves is - is the pain worth the rewards we find in Battlestar Galactica. Or is the pain too great a price to pay. For myself, the pain of today is tolerable, from past experience I know it will fade. The good folks at CF are more than worth it, I would really hate to see things end here.

I would recommend you bring back the board as it was (is). Then begin a series of evolutionary changes. Give every one time to adjust, gradual is better than all at once. I’ve offered in the past and I will offer again, whatever assistance you need, just ask. I’ll even handle the trash.

May the Lords of Kobol be with you all.

Tibbetts

February 6th, 2004, 11:56 AM

I believe the truth is there are people who like both incarnations of Battlestar Galactica…no one likes Galactica 1980. :) There are people who only like one version or another. We don’t have the luxury of being one happy family but we should be able to coexist with respect.

Actually, I rather liked G80. But, I also saw it in syndication on the SFC. Where they aired it all together as if it was one complete show. That's how I was introduced to it.

BTW, glad Colonial Fleets is back. Hope it stays. :D

With Respect,

Dragon Lord Tibbetts :salute:

jewels

February 6th, 2004, 12:02 PM

SteveW: you have another G80 ally! :D
(Dragon, the last time I said anything about G80, Steve chased me down with smilies. ;)

DG Promotions

February 6th, 2004, 12:14 PM

I hope Fleets comes back the fact that they support all Galactica fans as a group not as enemies does give me a little hope for the future of both and a reason to promote Galactica Events

DG Promotions
http://dg-promotions.5u.com/galactica.htm
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kingfish

February 6th, 2004, 12:22 PM

Muffit you are one of the strongest assets that CF has or had if the bb doesn't come back. The biggest question is where do we go from here? All are passionate about a show called Galactica. Some are more passionate than others. We have feelings for something worth giving a darn about. We saw what happened with the show when sci fi took it upon themselves to reimagine it. People were hurt to have waited so long to see a dream dashed. However dreams come and go and there IS STILL ONE left to hope for. If we don't come together now we ALL lose in the end because the only thing that will remain is US in the END no matter what end comes to fruition.

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 12:25 PM

Actually, I rather liked G80. But, I also saw it in syndication on the SFC. Where they aired it all together as if it was one complete show. That's how I was introduced to it.

BTW, glad Colonial Fleets is back. Hope it stays. :D

With Respect,

Dragon Lord Tibbetts :salute:

Hi Tibbetts! I too believe that, if as I hope all fans of BSG are welcome here someday, G80 will be afforded the same chance as well. I have encountered several folks who really liked it; and was disappointed in my friends for flaming them away (at Skiffy). There are many things I do not like myself, some of which I think are just plain stupid (skydiving, rock face climbing), in view of how fragile and precious each new day of life is. But my heart's eyes would be myopic indeed if I did not wish them the continued freedom to do so. There is good in everything; some things simply hide it well.

:muffit:

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 12:31 PM

Thank you for the kind words Kingfish. :) And you are absolutely right, if we let different sets of eyes prevent us from seeing the big picture, and let our infighting make the fleet sail without us, we will sip from a jigger of regret our whole life through.

We are not defeated when we lose; we are only lost when we admit defeat.

:muffit:

kingfish

February 6th, 2004, 12:33 PM

"I never believed in the no win senerio." James T Kirk.

dvo47p

February 6th, 2004, 01:00 PM

Hello my day would not be complete without a peep into the Musings of my, Muffit, a Cuddly Furry Creature. Somehow this Daggit holds my interest despite the conundrum of some of her stuff going right over my head, “Baby Needs a New Pair of Shoes” swoosh, what as that?

shiningstar

February 6th, 2004, 01:22 PM

Muffit .......... there's only ONE problem .............NO BEAVER JOKES .........
when are you going to come up with some new ones? ;)

Tibbetts

February 6th, 2004, 01:29 PM

SteveW: you have another G80 ally! :D
(Dragon, the last time I said anything about G80, Steve chased me down with smilies. ;)

:lol: Now why did he do that? :D

Dragon Lord Tibbetts

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 01:30 PM

Hi Dvo! And thank you!

Don't be worried, you are right, I am what most would call pretty viceless, including not ever having gambled (and ergo what some would probably call /boring/ :)). But I cannot exist if I do not live in the world, and the world is full of concepts and pasttimes much the contrary of me. If I do not do them, I still cannot help but be aware of them, and make a joke from time to time with expressions and content those more secular can identify.

And when it comes to CF, I will gladly play red and black and every digit in between, so that its roulette heart will land on win for me.

Affectionately,
Muffit
:muffit:

P.S. Shiningstar, now that CF is striving back to life and my heart is getting lighter because of it, I hope those pesky beavers will light a bulb in me again that I can share with you. :beaver:

Antelope

February 6th, 2004, 01:36 PM

I was very upset when I saw Colonial Fleets closed. I think it is at Colonial Fleets where we had the peaceful medium. I looked at some other sites and truth be told the conversations were shoe horned. That is how I ended up here as my primary Galactica site in the first place. We are at a time of action for the franchise. Things are finally happening. Where it goes I or anyone can only speculate. We can express our desires but more powerful forces will make the ultimate choices. We need to quit worrying about people's anger one way or another. The truth is time heals most wounds. I subscribe to the "The future is good or it will fade away." If the new versions (mini/continuation/Pegasus etc.) of Galactica are ever made are any good they will increase a fan base who will come to the board. Most discusion will center on these new versions. If the versions are no good their fan base will fade away and things will center back to the original versions. As you can tell from most Galactica sites however most of the older fans have said what they said many times so there are few new post on the older subjects. Most post on TOS were from people new to the site or from older members answering the questions of the newer ones. The new version (in this case the mini) was giving a new audience for the older members to explain the intricacies of TOS. I think we had new life blown into the boards since the mini came out.

I think Colonial fleets should have a forum for each version and forums for any new projects in the works. I think we should have a TOS forum, a Battlestar1980 forum, a mini or mini based series forum, a forum for the current Desanto project, and a cafe. Put a written synopsis of each episode or project at the start of the forums. Let the fans post their thread topics and let the fans drive the discussion. If things interest the fans it will be discussed. If they don't care it will fade away. I saw the rhetoric dramatically shrink from a shrill to a civil tone over the past 2 months. I think this is because many who want to kill the mini universe have made their statements and are accepting what power we have to change things. I think the current feelings are simply the last bits of hard anger being released by those who believe a "greenlight" ends their Galactica. As such I think Colonial Fleets shut down just when things were about to get much better. I also think that the issues that shut down Colonial Fleets were things written at other sites not here. I say, "Who cares what they say at cylon.org or SCIFI, or any other Battlestar site. All I care is that everyone gets along here and we all seem to."

This is a long reply but my bottom line is that I have a lot of friends here I didn't have 90 days ago. Colonial Fleets is a wonderful place filled with wonderful people. Those I consider my friends seem evenly split between TOS/mini fans and TOS only fans. I even see that a few people even liked a few episodes of BSG1980 (I liked three). We met at all the different forums. Bring the fleets back so we can all come home.

My one advice for anyone who can't bring themselves to like one or more version of Battlestar (We now have THREE realities): Colonial Fleets put a Star Gate forum on near the end. It is definitely not Battlestar Galactica .... but nobody cared! Those that wanted to discuss SG1 went in and a good time was had by those there. If you don't want to talk about something or don't care about it no one is forcing you into a forum. We can all meet in the cafe if we want to talk about life or socialize. Personally I wouldn't mind bumping into someone at the BSG1980 forum once or twice a year and laughing about the cylons at the New Years party in NYC.

shiningstar

February 6th, 2004, 03:27 PM

I'm looking forward to it Muffit. Take care. ;)

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 03:36 PM

Hi Shiningstar, welcome back ;)

Affectionately,
:muffit:

jewels

February 6th, 2004, 04:21 PM

:lol: Now why did he do that? :D

Dragon Lord Tibbetts
I said something about G80, and said I was running before he or Peter Noble caught me. So he chased me with the bash or hack smilies :laugh:

Raymar3d

February 6th, 2004, 05:11 PM

To Don and Tom,

Forums are cool, and forums are h_ll. I've run them, and visited them for years. Colonial Fleets is one of the very best. I have made so many friends here, including you both. I don't want to see it end.

This site is THE hub for Battlestar Galactica fans of all kinds to communicate. As with all forms of communication between people, there are going to be good and bad times. BSG may have been just a TV show, but it hit upon a great formula, and a great cast. The miniseries has its fans, as does the original. They both have some passionate followers that sometimes get into heated arguments. I hope that a little heat in the kitchen doesn't cause the loss of the best forum on the web.

Sincerely,

Ken Thomson Jr.

warhammerdriver

February 6th, 2004, 05:53 PM

I can't add much. Two pages of (paraphrasing) "CF is a great site with fun boards. We miss it and hope it's back to stay". To say it again is merely another drop in the proverbial bucket.

I'm gonna say it anyway. When I finally decided to leave the Skiffy board, this is where I came first. I liked it. People made me feel welcome. The boards were easy to navigate. The discussions were lively and intelligent. I stayed. I was looking forward to earning my avatar.

Then the site closed. I found out what the people of the "ragtag fleet" felt. I was a refugee. No home. Friends and acquaintences scattered across the internet. Frankly, it sucked.

Please, re-open CF. To me it was a sheltered island in the tempest of BSG fandom. Nobody else had the cojones to have a real BSG board (Scifi's doesn't count) where fans of ALL versions were welcome. And for the most part, we got along. BSG needs sites and boards like CF.

Thanks for giving us the opportunity to tell you how we feel. :salute:

shiningstar

February 6th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Welcome Warhammerdriver ........I like your nickname :thumbsup:

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 06:34 PM

Welcome Warhammerdriver ........I like your nickname :thumbsup:

Ditto!
:muffit:

avalonmistmoon

February 6th, 2004, 08:25 PM

I'm not very eloquent so this will probably short but the only reason I came to CF was because of the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica. I do like the TOS and always will be a fan of the original Commander Adama, Apollo and who can forget our sexy Starbuck but I love the mini series!

I have never been so excited about a pending new series as I have about BSG03. I can't wait and look forward to spoilers on the new episodes of BSGO3. I can't wait to read and make comments on the new episodes of BSG03. How fun it is to share thoughts and comments on BSG. I was hoping this would be the place to do it. I've became member of CF after the airing of BSG03 and I believe because of the mini series CF will have many more members.

Wait till the Brits see BSG03 and you'll have that much more fans. I'm a member of several Stargate threads and the Brits are such wonderful and good fans. I believe BSG03 will air in Britain on Feb 16th & 17th.

So I was so crushed when CF closed because I sooooo enjoyed your forum and never felt intimidated by the TOS fans. Please stay because a lot more fans will become members especially when the Brits invade this forum.

I look forward to many discussions on the board and I missed ya terribly. :cry: And I was a member I believe for a little over a month. :heart:

Please.....stay.......

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Commander Adama: "We're in a middle of a WAR and you're taking orders from a school teacher!".

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 08:29 PM

H e l l o W a r r i o r ! ! ! :D

*Daggit purrs*... wait! Do daggits purr? :laugh:

:muffit:

BST

February 6th, 2004, 08:59 PM

*Daggit purrs*... wait! Do daggits purr? :laugh:

:muffit:

An unofficial, semi-scientific, completely uneducated guess would have to quite probably say, "maybe, maybe not."

:D

amberstar

February 6th, 2004, 09:09 PM

It is good to see you Warrior!

Amber

RommieSG

February 6th, 2004, 09:15 PM

I am a lurker at best, when it comes here to Colonial Fleets. But when I see the possibility of a board closing for the reasons that it might, it breaks my heart.

I was on a board called Slipstream, that was dedicated to Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. That board closed in January of 2003, due to the Administration couldn't take the heat from their members anymore. They packed up their ball and went home.

So when I see another board turn down the possibility of closing down for any sort of reason, it hits a soft spot within my psyche. There aren't many places to discuss BSG with the type of community that this board has. And to see it crumble, it just hurts.

The community of Slipstream stuck together, and we formed a board entitled Ex Isle (http://exisle.net). But where would this community go? Would we all drift apart? I certainly hope that we never have to ask ourselves that question.

Rommie :cylon:

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 09:50 PM

An unofficial, semi-scientific, completely uneducated guess would have to quite probably say, "maybe, maybe not."

:D

Ah, you watch Discovery Channel too! :laugh:

:muffit:

CmdrCain

February 6th, 2004, 10:34 PM

Sorry if an explanation is posted somewhere, but I didn't see it.

I haven't been a member here very long, but I was more than just a little glad to come across an active Galactica discussion forum. Then I had to be offline for awhile due to a family situation, and when I come back I find CF looking like a ghost town in comparison to what it was before.

What happened? Why is everything closed down?

DarkJedi

February 6th, 2004, 10:47 PM

We are back!!! er... sorta... :confused:

Please bring it back. As Ken said, we do occassionally get in heated discussions, but we still come back to our senses... uhm well some of us do. I did! :shy:

But this place is more than just a forum, its a place to go and hang out. And I have met so many friends here, and some are even considered family. It would be a shame to lose this wonderful and fun place. As a moderator, I vow to keep a better track on forums.

To Aaron, it is great to see you are still with us here. And if we get back up and running again, and if they start bugging you with all those "can't answer questions..." and if they get too hostile... let any of us moderators know (if we haven't kept an eye on it) and we will come in and rescue you - if you want us to.

Please let us bring the Colonial Fleets back to her once known glory. A place to talk, a place to hang out, a place to feel like you fit in somewhere in this world.

Kristi :salute:

Gemini1999

February 6th, 2004, 10:59 PM

I may be optimistic, but here on the west coast there is only 1 hour left in the day and I think that CF has had a wonderful test run so far. I have had so much fun today - I'm so glad I coincidentally had the day off to take advantage of it. I was so thrilled this morning when I saw that I had gotten a CF message in my e-mail - I hadn't seen one in a while and was wondering if I ever would again. I've gotten so many more today - it has really been a joy for me!

Here's to a happy future for us all :maitai:

Best to all (both old and new faces!)
Bryan
________
Dan gurney (http://www.ferrari-wiki.com/wiki/Dan_Gurney)

Muffit

February 6th, 2004, 11:03 PM

My heart is full of thanks to all who made this day possible. :) This daggit will sleep sweetly tonight, knowing its friends are now just a few Mbps away... :heart:

:muffit:

somefrigginguy

February 6th, 2004, 11:58 PM

Okay, that's it!

I sign up here and all is groove.

I disappear for a few days and the place gets taken down.

I get depressed thinking it's something I said, or maybe that I need to change my cologne or something.

I disappear again, thinking all is lost, and, on a lark, I check the URL again. It's back up.

Now I'm CONVINCED that it was taken down so you all could hide from me and you only brought it back when you thought I had given up looking. :(

Well, it didn't work. You're back, I'm back and you aren't getting rid of me that easy. :D

Seriously, though: Glad the place is back on line.

CrysWimmer

February 7th, 2004, 02:39 AM

If something were to be taken and twisted or attributed unfairly to me I would be forced to leave. That is not something I would like to do again but I cannot have what just happened happen again.
I hope you all understand and I will hopefully be speaking with you soon.
Just so you know I will not be back before an official announcement either way by Sci-fi.

Thanks, Aaron, for dropping by - even for a single post - to let us know you're still with us. I hope we see a great deal more of you in the future, and that you feel comfortable enough with us to say, "sorry - can't talk about that," as necessary. I think that's something we can all respect. Each of us have parts of our jobs that we can't publicly comment on, and most of understand both the need for discretion and the desire to share what you know. Please bear with us as we figure out that line, and don't ever be afraid to tell us, "no comment." It's your right - and just like we respect you, we have to have respect for that.

As for CF - I'm beyond glad to see it back. I've tried the other boards, and I just never fit in. I've tried the lists, and the battles are all the same. I don't think there's anything going on here that isn't going on elsewhere, but I don't know that this is a good thing. I do know that the day I clicked my link (one that lives on my toolbar, because I use to so much) and came to nothing - well, it worried me. Not so much because a forum was gone, but because I've made a lot of friends here, and I know how much work it takes to put something so wonderful together. Not only is CF well loved, but it's obviously well designed. That doesn't happen without a lot of time and effort, and to see that lost was devistating to me. From owner to manager to moderators - y'all just do an amazing job, and it hurt to see that effort lost.

I'm very glad to be back, and hope desperately that the forum stays open. It's the best there is, and I stand by that statement.

Thanks for giving us all a second chance... now, let's not waste it!

-Crys- :salute:

JLHurley

February 7th, 2004, 08:06 AM

Ahhhhh...Colonial Fleets seemingly up and running...

All is right in the world (or at least in my little part of it).

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 09:00 AM

Welcome home Jlhurley .............glad you could make it :thumbsup:

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 09:01 AM

Welcome back Crys. :thumbsup:

N~still

February 7th, 2004, 11:27 AM

It's so good you are back CF; :cool: I did love this format and it seems friendlier here; but because RL can be the way it is; I must observe for my self a NE/CS period; or no electronics creative silence time in my life; you know when you've had too much of something and you are burned out and you need that distance? Well, it's time for that for me.

I hope you will be here when you get back!

Oh and I hope A finds the balance he wants here.

N~Still signing off :salute:

Patricia

February 7th, 2004, 12:06 PM

It's SO nice to be back here, enveloped in your gorgeous graphics! :D

I hope you'll stay. I was new, but found that I really missed this place amazingly. And seeing a post from Aaron was such a relief--I never actually saw whatever brouhaha it was that drove him away, but thank the gods he's reconsidered and this time set some firm guidelines, too.

Pat

Muffit

February 7th, 2004, 12:12 PM

Hi Patricia! Welcome back! ;)

:muffit:

Lurkerzrule

February 7th, 2004, 02:21 PM

Man, I missed this board. Nothing like browsing this place and seeing the email notifications.

Here is hoping the fleets stays. I'll drinking ona these :corona:

Anyone else want one? :corona:

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 02:35 PM

Hi N'still welcome home .............. Hi Patricia welcome home :salute:

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 02:36 PM

I agree Lurkersrule ............welcome home :D

Muffit

February 7th, 2004, 03:06 PM

Hi N~still, hi LurkerzRule :)

:muffit:

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 04:48 PM

Hi all

I must admit I have been keeping an eye on the BSG forums since the anouncement of the new series but not adding anything as here in Britain the new series isn't out till the week after next.

Now that I can see it in the UK soon and after sitting this evening and watching the preview on SKY I decided to dip a toe.

What amazed me was how the fan community has gone through the same schism that hit the Star Trek fandom in the 80's. Petition's, threats of boycotts and worse! I personally saw the idea of the new series as a good idea and have been excited about it.

Like the fandom of the TOS of Startrek there has been much demonising of the people producing the new series. Now I have had the chance to see the preview of the new series of BSG I found them to be honest people having a stab at bringing back a Sci-Fi show and not demons.

These days it's very hard for any Sci-Fi show to get off the ground let alone survive so they should be commended. Now that the mini series has been produced with a successful release and it look's like being picked up for further episode's the die hard complainers will find it harder to post.

I suspect if Battlestar Galactica (I have decided not to bother with the old series/new series business, to me it's Battlestar Galactica and the best way to heal wounds amongst the Fandom is to drop the labels) goes onto a long run fans of the old series will warm to it. I suspect that if the series goes onto a long run they will do what Paramount did with Startrek and have guest appearence's by the old stars in new rolls. It certainly helped heal things with the Startrek fans especially the episode with Spock and would certainly go along way to do the same thing with Battlestar Galactica fans. I find many a fan who use to be die hard old Startrek fans now feel happy with the expanded next generation community.

As another poster said so many fandoms fade away and disappear, this certainly could of happened to Battlestar Galactica (and is happening with the fandom of my Beloved Babylon 5 - SIGH). The new show should be seen as an amazing chance for new blood to be injected into the community. All the young new fans who may of never seen the original series can only be seen as good news especially as they will probably want to know how it all started and learn about the original series.

So when the new fans and members of the Battlestar Galactica family start turning up at conventions wearing uniforms icons they have made based on the new show welcome them, make them feel at home and congratulate them on taking an interest and commitment to Battlestar Galactica!

ojai22

February 7th, 2004, 05:07 PM

My interest and efforts lie with the continuation movie with the original cast. I don't care what they do with the new; that's their effort and I don't want to interfere with them in any way. When the new movie is released I'm going to see it four times the first week. IT's what I've been waiting for.

:)

=========================
Edited:

Whoops, I think I got the wrong thread! :confused:

WELCOME BACK, COLONIAL FLEETS! :thumbsup: :)

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 05:14 PM

Well personally I feel that BSG wasn't workable as a continuation whilst Start Trek was. I hate it when the word cannon gets banded arounded, why do people have to be such continuation junkies. Also the new series dosn't erase the old series, there isn't anybody running around burning copys of the old series. You can still go out and buy it and enjoy it (I certainly do).

The new series has been made now it looks like it has gone down well with the general viewing public and it looks like its going to be continued. Let live and embrace I say - don't take it as a slap on the face!

Tibbetts

February 7th, 2004, 05:18 PM

I said something about G80, and said I was running before he or Peter Noble caught me. So he chased me with the bash or hack smilies :laugh:

:laugh:

So, what did you enjoy about G80? Was it the fact that they got to Earth? Or those flying bikes they had? :D

With Respect,

Dragon Lord Tibbetts

emerita

February 7th, 2004, 05:23 PM

Well, having your parrot biting your mouse cable in half can really put you behind the excitment! I am so glad to see this! I agree with ojai...let's get on with the movie and let the mini go and I agree with Muffit..... When this place closed, I felt a big hole in my heart and I embraced the temporary site with open arms....

jewels

February 7th, 2004, 05:29 PM

:laugh:

So, what did you enjoy about G80? Was it the fact that they got to Earth? Or those flying bikes they had? :D

With Respect,

Dragon Lord Tibbetts
Only liked the premise & return of Starbuck. (I mean, who didn't want the Colonials to find us?? And to be the one to meet some of them?? cool concept, lousy execution) Only kept watching because I wanted to see if Starbuck & Apollo came back....Didn't like them declaring Apollo dead/lost AT ALL. Hated them stranding Starbuck on a planet. GRRRRR Spaceball and Superscouts--ICK.

SteveW & PeterNoble are the G80 fans. I'm just opinionated. ;)

kingfish

February 7th, 2004, 05:31 PM

Starbuck: Geez I had this strange dream that we found Earth. There was some annoying kid named Zee or something like that. I must have had too much ambrosia because I even managed to fix a broken Cylon.
:D

kingfish

February 7th, 2004, 05:33 PM

Galactica 1980 in a nutshell. :D

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 05:39 PM

When I watched the creator of the new Battlestar Galactica (Ronald Moore I think - please correct me) firstly I noted that he wasn't the antichrist as has been suggested, but he did go over a reasonig for his reimagination.

Firstly he didn't wake up some day and say how can hurt the feelings or rile fans of the old series.

Secondly he was offered the show and he took it on. He sat down watched it thought about doing a continuation but rejected as he was excited about the project and felt that starting again would be more flexible. He could mould the cast and direction of the show.

Once he made that decision he stuck to it but has kept dialogue with the fandom going. In the end that was a very brave choice to make he must of known he was going to get flack. As far as I can make out he has been firm in his convictions but not rude.

I feel that alot of people have been taking this far to personally also the whole idea of a revival contination was unfortunate because it was always unlikely that it was going to get picked but it would build up peoples hopes and then unfairly dash them!(A continuation film is also frankly unlikely - not that I'm saying it wouldn't be fun)

I can see how after having your hopes squashed about the continuation a new series restarted with a new cast would cause problems with some people.

Looking at the new series (and remember I can't see it here in the uk for another week) it has some nice touches. The new viper looks like the older viper (but better nailed together - and the little reaction jets make alot of sense) and the Galactica looks slick but not a massive departure.

The cast seem nice and have been making an effort,it was great seeing Starbuck give Starbuck a cigar in Starbuck's. This is the sort of thing we should see, embrace the new, give it a chance after a while all the old pains will be distant.

amberstar

February 7th, 2004, 05:50 PM

Let live and embrace I say - don't take it as a slap on the face!

Hi Fedaykin! This is exactly what we are trying to do.
The circumstances that surrounded the mini is what many took as a slap on the face, among other things. Wounds are healing, and hopefuly we will continue to grow as a whole fandom.
A continuation of TOS is what many of us have been fighting for since the early 80's. When you've been wanting something for sooooooo long and come so close that continues to add fuel to the fire. ;)

Respectfully,
Amberstar

Muffit

February 7th, 2004, 05:51 PM

Welcome Fedaykin. :) You may most likely find many of us will stay true to what we love, no matter how distant it becomes for us. But I sincerely hope there is always a place for you and everyone of us here at CF, to share what we feel, dissimilar or otherwise. ;)

Cheers,
Muffit
:muffit:

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 05:56 PM

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 05:59 PM

I should further point out that until I get the chance to see the new Battlestar Galactica next week I'm only a fan of the old series so far. It's just I love any new Sci-Fi show and want to give this one a chance especially as it's darker path reminds of my beloved Babylon 5.

jewels

February 7th, 2004, 06:00 PM

For Fredakyn and anyone that hasn't seen the stuff from DeSanto:

What we missed out on, 6 weeks from shooting:
start here: tp://www.colonialfleets.com/data/desantoreport.htm

There's an illustrated article on www.cylon.org click on Battlestar Galactica, then 1978 series then Desanto, then pilot if I remember correctly.

for flash concept designs go to www.battlestarpegasus.com look for something like DeSanto Flash file on the main page. (it's here too but I don't have the link)

I don't know what the link is but if you see anything called "Foundation Demo" you really want to look at that too. Takes a divx codec to view.

That's what DIDN'T get produced. Still makes me want to cry......

BST

February 7th, 2004, 06:02 PM

Fedaykin,

We've already been down this road many times in the past couple of years and for those of us who would have preferred a continuation, the scenery doesn't get any better looking on any of the trips.

Your pronouncement of a "continuation movie being frankly unlikely" is a rather BOLD statement. That must be a very powerful crystal ball that you are using.

Cast members being nice? Aaron Douglas, most definitely YES. Katee Sackhoff, most definitely NOT. E J Olmos, most definitely HONEST.

Continuation fans "warming up" to the Moore-version of BSG? For me, "not gonna happen".

"Give it a chance?" As I have responded many, many, many times to this incredibly overused phrase, "the writers and producers of the mini-series had their chance with me, they blew it!"

BST

Muffit

February 7th, 2004, 06:02 PM

Good point!

As I have been saying that now is the time to let things go now that a new show is probably the way it is going to go.

I fully understand that circumstances around its gestation have frustrated and upset, but it is important not to be beastly to fans of the new show but rather welcome them to the family and not treat the new show as somehow second class.

As I have said it is very hard for new Sci-Fi shows to get off the ground lets not kill it just because it might not be what some people don't want.

Well said Fedaykin. Please forgive us if we're kinda slow to accept that some liked the mini and embrace a new BSG. But if folks such as yourself can accept that we will always only love TOS, it will go along ways to helping us accept you for what you are too. :)

All the best,
Muffit
:muffit:

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 06:19 PM

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 06:24 PM

Just want to avoid the whole them and us thing that nearly tore apart the Startrek fandom.

jewels

February 7th, 2004, 06:27 PM

And we need to keep in mind that you've not seen it yet (the mini) and ewwwww, I hate to warn you but reactions were mixed..... :rolleyes:

Glen Larson has the movie rights and they cost him money (as someone said, Glen likes money so he will want to make some with those rights). He expressed interest in working with Tom DeSanto, and Tom would jump onto a Galactica project in a heartbeat if he was wanted.....my crystal ball says it's just a matter of timing and showing the finance folks the sales figures for the dvd boxset. :)

OH, G80 bikes, photo online on Ken Larson's website. try looking up Ken or Kenneth Larson on google. He's a Universal Hartland alumn, was a model maker for them.

Dawg

February 7th, 2004, 06:27 PM

I'll add my welcome, too, Fedaykin (a Dune fan, I suspect?). If you are truly a fan of TOS BSG, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts after you see the mini; particularly whether you see the mini as BSG.

Keep in mind, too, that we have already "given it a chance"; it's aired on this side of the pond already. I watched the first 10 minutes or so of it with my wife (the justifiably famous Mrs. Dawg), and we found it so boring (and so not BSG) that we turned it off. Others, though, found it enjoyable.

The common thread here at CF, though, is a love of TOS we all share, regardless of how we feel about the Moore production. In that spirit, I look forward to your contribution to our community.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 06:38 PM

Exactly Dawg,

In the end not everyone is going to like it but the response has been positive enough for Sci-Fi to begin the process of continuing it.

I suppose in the end deciding whether something is BSG or not is down to symantics, it's the same core story and some of the ships are certainly an homage to the original one but the whole sexier, darker feel is going to be a departure.

I just hope that if I like it (and I certainly will come back and give my feelings) that if I decide to go out start making replica costumes from the new series that I can turn up at a convention with out being lynched or shunned.

I just hate the hard core of people who go and on about how thay hate and why I should hate it. Just because I like the idea of a new series doesn't mean I question the loyalty of fans of the old series.

Fedaykin

February 7th, 2004, 06:40 PM

Oh yes and I forgot to say a BIG dune fan!!!

And don't forget that was succesfully reimagined recently. (I must admit the newer version is closer to the book than the older film - same argument in reverse go figure?)

Artemis

February 7th, 2004, 07:40 PM

Oh yes and I forgot to say a BIG dune fan!!!

I thought that was obvious from your handle. Do you play the Dune ccg?
:)

Lurkerzrule

February 7th, 2004, 07:58 PM

Hi Fedaykin!

I like Dune as well! I even enjoyed Sci-Fi's mini about, for the most part. However, I think I would have had a problem with it if they had re-cast the role of Duncan Idaho w/ a woman. ;)

Anyways, I hope you enjoy the mini when it airs over there!

Long live the fighters of Muad dib!

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 07:59 PM

welcome to the club Fedaykin. I was wondering what your handle stood for.
I had forgotten about Dune. I really loved the book.

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 08:06 PM

I think you're right Jewels ........it is just a matter of time ............

BST

February 7th, 2004, 08:07 PM

Hmmm, in the end BST the best thing to do is just ingnore the new Battlestar Galactica if it's not your cup of tea, as I have said I love the old series but want to give the new one a chance. It certainly wasn't created as some sort of personal insult to you. This might be old ground but things would be much better if people didn't b*tch about it.

Fedaykin, sorry for sounding a little heated. Regarding the ignoring of the new show, I did exactly that - didn't watch it. There was so much info about it, from the draft script-most of which did survive to production, the Q&A with Eick, and the interviews with Moore, that I knew it just wasn't for me. For me, here, it 'gutted' too much of the original show's heart and soul, in favor of the new idea. There's quite a few folks, here, that would echo that sentiment. Depending on what you liked, from the Original, I'd be interested in reading your 'review' of the new show.

I don't feel that saying a continuation movie is unlikely is massively sweeping. I have no crystal ball and I'm not saying it's impossible but getting anyone to pick something up in hollywood is very challenging. There's no point working yourself up about it, if it happens fantastic but I'm not going to dwell on it.

Not working myself up, at all. It's just that Universal does not hold ALL of the cards, only the TV rights. Larson owns the movie rights and may be inclined to do a project, in that medium, if there is interest in the product.

As for Katee Sackhoff she has been recieving a lot of flack for taking the roll of Starbuck I suspect that anyone might become a bit Beastly when people have been throwing all sorts of vitriole at you.

Sackhoff in the role of Starbuck was not the only thing that I didn't like. Her level of tact and diplomacy could also use some work. Knowing the 'outrage' of the TOS crowd, she could have said something much more diplomatic than 'Deal with it'.

Finally on another note whilst BSG 1980 wasn't the best choice I did like those bikes :)

I did too! In fact, IMO, they are not that far of a reach, technologically speaking. If an affordable propulsion method could be developed, something like those bikes could conceivably be a 'next step' in 'ground/air' transportation.

Welcome to the Fleets!!

BST

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 08:12 PM

Bst I read the draft too ...... that's why I didn't watch it ...........
that's why I didn't let my kids watch it. I even warned my mother in law
who Wanted to watch it about the TV14 rating ............

she tried to watch it ........her TV wouldn't let her.

I'm sticking with the original and hopefully a better incarnation of BSG will come
along (something other then the mini!).

Muffit

February 7th, 2004, 08:13 PM

Fedaykin, LurkerzRule, Shiningstar,

I loved the Dune books as well. Even wrote about them in a musing! (Terror at 20,000 Feet). I loved the movie. I thought SKiffy did a pretty good job of their version of Dune, but I still like the movie better, it really captured the essence of Herbert's ambience.

I recently bought House Atreides, but haven't had a chance to read it yet.
Dune was a truly unique work. Loved the Bene Gesseret cult. And the wierding module. And the galactic spice dependency. And Duncan Idaho. And... (Sheesh, why don't I just list the whole book??? :D).

:muffit:

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 08:15 PM

By the way Jewels thanks for Posting the Links!

warhammerdriver

February 7th, 2004, 08:22 PM

Welcome Warhammerdriver ........I like your nickname :thumbsup:

Thanks! I just love driving 70 tons of attitude around.

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 08:25 PM

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Lurkerzrule

February 7th, 2004, 08:29 PM

Fedaykin, LurkerzRule, Shiningstar,

(Sheesh, why don't I just list the whole book??? :D).

:muffit:

IMO, You would almost have to. :D :rose:

shiningstar

February 7th, 2004, 08:39 PM

I liked the original movie even more then I liked the book.
I think that the movie was very well cast.

rotarykid

February 8th, 2004, 04:00 AM

Good to see you all. This site is an appropriate direction for fandom. I do not like feeling uncomfortable at the thought of speaking to fans. If this site continues with the mandate put forth here my confort level would be such that I may return.
If this ever happens I must warn people about what question would go ignored.
Questions regarding schedule, story lines of the future, future scripts, production specifics and the like.
Questions pertaining to me the person, Tyrol and how I see him, the sharing of thoughts, the debate over good vs. bad and things of this nature are what I would happily discuss.
Things that are not for me to comment on I will not so don't even ask. If something were to be taken and twisted or attributed unfairly to me I would be forced to leave. That is not something I would like to do again but I cannot have what just happened happen again.
I hope you all understand and I will hopefully be speaking with you soon.
Just so you know I will not be back before an official announcement either way by Sci-fi.

It's nice to know that your still out there , I hope no one caused you too much trouble . I can say for me that it is nice to see that there are people like you out there , that honestly try to engauge his fans . :thumbsup:

I like all kinds of SciFi and am always looking foward to the new episodes of the dead zone , SG-1 , Andromeda , Enterprise , Mutant -X , Jeramia , Joan of Arcadia , Dead Like Me , Stargate Atlantis , and most of all BSG 04 :)

And I really did like and do miss I-Man **, Sliders * , Farscape* , Now and Again , Brimstone *, Twilight Zone , Seven Days **, The Sentinel , B5 *** , B5 Excalibar *** & Legend of the Rangers , Odesey 5 , Outer Limits , Space Above & Beyond , DS-9 , ........ I'm sure I left some really good ones off , fell free to add any that I left off .

It really seam that the shows I like the most have the shortest life :cry:

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 04:37 AM

Hello everyone,

Sorry I didn't answer your question's but it was close to three in the morning in the UK and I needed sleep.

I think BST that you make my point for me you like me have never seen the new show. Your decision to hate it is more on publicity material and draft scripts is quite childish - more so your obvious love of the old show is always going to make it bad in your mind. OK it could be horrible when I watch it but until I do I won't comment. Actually I had the reverse happen recently there was a new French film coming out and everyone was saying it was amazing but when I watched it I hated it. It's just I'm tired of people going around and banging on about why everyone should hate it and not watch it unless the ground swallow you up when they haven't even watched it!

When I first saw Katee Sackhoff apart from thinking wow she's cute (I must admit that I find the new Boomer even nicer - Grace Park) I also thought she looks like she is just out of drama school. She's been saying that she loves the old show but I suspect the first time she really sat down and watched it was just after she got the role. And that's the key point I'm trying to make she was offered the role and she accepted it as any young actor would do(you don't pass up the chance of any role in America). So put yourself in her shoes she's been given a role in a new Sci-Fi series, shes watched a few episode's learnt a bit about the character (the gender change would of been interesting to her - female actors love taking on masculine roles) and now she has to do some publicity. And then the Sh*t hits the fan, she arrives at press conferences and all sort's of vitriole is thrown at her, now more experianced actors know how to deal with that (during one fan interview Jamie Bamber very easily defused an obviously hostile fan question - talked about the spirit of man etc etc...) but she isn't and shes wondering why do you hate me? It wasn't me who decided to change the gender of the character? It wasn't me who decided to do a reimagination? I just need the work! Hardly surprising that she had about as much tact as a brick she suddenly found her self cornered and found it easier to be tough than concilitory. Given time to settle down in her role I'm sure she will be a great person.

Finally I suppose what interests me is the demographic's, as I'm 24 years old I would be part of the target demographic for this show. I suspect that I might see thing's differently to an older viewer.

BST

February 8th, 2004, 05:28 AM

I think BST that you make my point for me you like me have never seen the new show. Your decision to hate it is more on publicity material and draft scripts is quite childish - more so your obvious love of the old show is always going to make it bad in your mind.

Perhaps you should re-read what I said. My decision was based on 'investigation' of all the information available, from a variety of sources, some of which were directly connected to the show. My decision was based on the CONTENT of the script. I didn't like the treatment given to the characters and to the concept and premise of the new show. You see, if I don't like what I read, seeing it will not suddenly make it acceptable.

There are other items, about the new show, which I did not like but, I will not go into them here. They, no doubt, would be *spoilers*.

Enjoy the show.

Titon

February 8th, 2004, 07:52 AM

I think BST that you make my point for me you like me have never seen the new show. Your decision to hate it is more on publicity material and draft scripts is quite childish - more so your obvious love of the old show is always going to make it bad in your mind.

Welcome by the way. From what i remember wasnt' the show supposed to air in the UK this last week? I thought i recieved an update about that. Maybe it's this week.

Your decision to enjoy the new show is yours. If you like it more power to you. I happen to have worked on the FX and there's stuff i enjoy about it as well but i will be a true original fan until i keel over. Hopefully that's along time from now. Being your age it's understandable that you find it appealing. I guess in your shoes i might be inclined to enjoy it the same. If it goes to series then i hope you enjoy ever minute of it.

By the way, like the avatar. All the FX people are getting a flight patch like that with our 1099's.

Again welcome.

Don

:)

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 09:58 AM

Thanks all, nice meeting you in cyber space.

As I have already said until I see it I can't say wether I will enjoy it yet. What I have seen appeals to me so far partly because it reminds me of Babylon 5. The Uk release is a week monday and on that night I will go down to my friend Mikes house and watch it with some Beer and munchies. (Mike is a fully paid up trek fan with costumes and all sorts of memrobilia but like me always enjoys the prospect of a new show).

Once I have seen it I will give my views on whats good, bad and what needs to be improved. But if I find a shows pilot episode is flawed (four pilot episodes in the case of BSG)I still believe a TV company should still give a new show a series to improve or iron out the problems. It's amazing how many shows were nearly killed off in the first series or after the pilot then went onto success once the format had been fiddled with. The new BSG pilots had some of the highest viewing figures for a new show on Sc-Fi so I suspect that they will give it a chance on at least a season - which bodes well in my mind on the quality of the show.

If I do like it I will start a thread about the new show cast, plots etc - but not to complain about it's actual existance considering all ground has been covered in that respect over the last few years. I hope the moderator will allow that thread to develop in that respect and not allow it to be hijacked by anti's.

P.S.

I know your views on the new show BST and I understand them but as I have said promotional material and draft scripts don't make up for actually sitting down and watching the show. Many a script can look poor on paper but once you have actors, music and special effects be great programs. Whilst many a great script and promotional junket can end up as a complete piece of tosh.(I will never forget the film "Reign of Fire". Adverts looked great, cast looked great, special effects looked great and the premise looked great but the film was a horrible dissapointment.)

Muffit

February 8th, 2004, 10:09 AM

Welcome RotaryKid! :)

:muffit:

BST

February 8th, 2004, 10:15 AM

:) Enjoy the show! I look forward to your review! :)

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 10:20 AM

Thanks!

Tonight I'm waiting for a cool new spin off of scrapheap challenge (junkyard wars over the pond I believe) called scrappy races. 5 teams had to build cars with a budget of £1500 pounds and then drive them round the country doing different challenges each week.

BST

February 8th, 2004, 10:26 AM

"Junkyard Wars?" - that rings a bell. Somehow, I remember watching a show like that but, I can't remember when. Loooooooooonnnng time ago! I enjoy stuff like that (building something out of "this and that" ) - I think that's what I enjoyed the most about the A-Team. I used to get a kick out of wondering what they would build next.

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 10:29 AM

A team ruled!!!

Heres the URL for Scrappy races....

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/scrapheap/scrappy/

BST

February 8th, 2004, 10:40 AM

Yep. They ruled!!

I wish one of the networks, here, would put something like those "Scrappy Races" on the air. That's something I'd enjoy. :)

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 10:55 AM

Maybe BBC America?

Fedaykin

February 8th, 2004, 10:57 AM

BST

February 8th, 2004, 10:59 AM

Maybe BBC America?

Hmmm, now there's a thought. I'll let you know. btw, thanks for the URL about the races. Looks like a lot of fun.

Malkyte

February 8th, 2004, 04:25 PM

Just thought I would chime in!

I am very glad to see CF up again! I hope it will stay open and flourish again during a time when BSG is enjoying the lime light again.

As I have stated at CA, I felt CF was becoming one of thee BBs for the BSG fandom, and keeping it open was/is crucial to this fandom.

With that said, thanks to Tom, Don and Muffit for taking the effort to re-open and try and make this work for all.

Though I have been calling CA home, I shall try to be more envolved here as well from now on!

This is a great place and you guys do a great job!

Thanks!

Respectfully,

Malkyte

Muffit

February 8th, 2004, 05:55 PM

Welcome back Malkyte! :)

:muffit:

Malkyte

February 8th, 2004, 06:14 PM

Welcome back Malkyte! :)

:muffit:

And thank you for the warm welcome, Muffit!!! :)

The Rain

February 8th, 2004, 09:43 PM

martok2112

February 8th, 2004, 10:16 PM

It is good to see the site up again, and to see your inspired musings ever-present here, and abroad.

Don, thank you for reopening this site.

There are those who think that BSGTOS and BSG2003 fans cannot get along, but I think there are many sites that prove otherwise. I am glad to see that this is one of them.

BTW, where is BST. I needs to talk to him. BST, where you at, mang? :D

Respectfully to all, LONG LIVE BOTH GALACTICAS,
Martok2112

Muffit

February 8th, 2004, 10:36 PM

It's so good to see you again too Martok! :)

Long live BSG fandom! ;)

:muffit:

Lurkerzrule

February 9th, 2004, 05:17 AM

Long live BSG fandom! ;)

:muffit:

Yes! :thumbsup: :salute:

Titon

February 9th, 2004, 05:55 AM

I simply hope that we can build this site into the cornerstone everyone wants it to be. Don't get me wrong, i want everyone's views but like i've said the TOS is the way for me and i hope and pray that we'll see the true Galactica rise again.

Fedaykin, when you finish the viewing of the mini from your neck of the woods please if you have time give a general review on what you thought of it. I'd be most interested in your thoughts as well as your friends.

Thanks to all.

Don

:)

Fedaykin

February 9th, 2004, 07:23 AM

Hi Titon,

I'm looking forward to giving a review from my side of the pond. In the UK there was never the same kind of following of BSG than in America. There has been a nostalgic revival when it was repeated on the BBC along side Buck Rogers in the 25th century, which has lead to an explosion of merchandising. But not to the same level as America we don't get BSG conventions and the same fan following. So I feel for many a person in the UK who is Sci-Fi inclined the idea of a reimagining wasn't horrifying.

My own experiance when I found out that was going to happen was "That's Nice - Hope they give the people in this one the chance to get back to earth". My friend Mike (and Trek first all other Science Fiction second) who is older than me at 40 years was around to appreciate the original version when it came out. When I told him it was going to be reimagined his reaction was "can't wait". His and my reaction I feel is indicative of how many a British fan feels, we Know and like BSG but were never caught up enough in it to be upset at a new version. The whole spat which went on in America has really passed us by in the UK, this general feeling is expressed in the British Science Fiction press. I remember reading a report last year in Britains leading Science Fiction magazine SFX which expressed excitement on the progress of the new show but was quite miffed at the American fan reaction.

For me as a fan who had always taken a reasonable amount of interest of BSG I always found it amusing that the concept of BSG had existed since the early 70's but nobody wanted to pick it up. The release of Starwars changed all this and the show was picked up(you probably all know this but it helps my point). So I try to view the new show a different way: I try to imagine the original concept had never been picked up and made into a show and the concept was only found recently in some old box in a store room and the new show is the modern result of that concept. For me looking at the new show that way sits far better in my mind - if the original show had never existed how would a modern crew move forward the concept?

I hope this gives a better understanding on the British Sci-Fi fandom's view on the whole matter.

On another note concepts for shows can often hang around for year's. The creator of Babylon 5 James Michael Strazinski (JMS) started pushing the concept for the show in 1984. Around that time he took the concept of a Story Arc based Sci-Fi show set on a distant Space Station surrounded by hostile races to many a Studio including Paramount. Paramount turned him down as they were developing a new show called the Next Generation and didn't want another project. Years later Paramount releases a Star Trek the Next Generation spin off Deep Space Nine. We were told it would be a Story Arc based show set on a distant space station surrounded by hostile races (hmmm?). A year after DS9 was released Babylon 5 was released and you won't believe the amount of times I've had Trek fans tell me B5 was a rip off of DS9. I try to explain to them that B5's concept predates DS9 by nearly 10 years and DS9 is probably a rip off B5's concept - but they are a stubburn lot....KAPPLAA....

Whilst I'm on the subject of B5 it's interesting to know that show was actually very succesful in the UK. This was partly down to the story arc concept being quite appealing to a UK audiance but also to the fact that unlike America where is was burried on small cable channel it was shown at a sensible time on one of Britains four main channels. Another amusing fact was that until series four B5 was shown in the UK before the US. This was because it was filmed in Britain making it a British show technically, alot of the minor cast members or aliens often had a English accent. At the start of Season Four a different American cable company took on funding the show and the production company went ahead as usual and started showing it in the UK first. When the new cable company found out they were not best pleased, I had a disscusion with one of the British crew members who explained to me that one day they got an order to stop releasing the show to a British channel first. Apparently the American cable company felt that as it was an American show financed with American money it had to be shown in the US first. So half way through that series run in the UK it was halted and we had to wait for the American channel to catch up.

See Yah

Lurkerzrule

February 9th, 2004, 08:58 AM

A year after DS9 was released Babylon 5 was released and you won't believe the amount of times I've had Trek fans tell me B5 was a rip off of DS9. I try to explain to them that B5's concept predates DS9 by nearly 10 years and DS9 is probably a rip off B5's concept - but they are a stubburn lot....KAPPLAA....

Good luck w/ that argument. I have a few friends that believe the sun rises and sets on Trek.

Have fun watching the mini across the pond! :salute:

BST

February 9th, 2004, 02:24 PM

BTW, where is BST. I needs to talk to him. BST, where you at, mang? :D

Respectfully to all, LONG LIVE BOTH GALACTICAS,
Martok2112

I'za here Mon Generale! What can this most humble servant assist you with today? (Care for a :beer: while you're thinkin'? :D )

Give me a holler or send a PM (I finally cleared my mailbox - sheesh, I had some messages in there that were older than dirt!!)

Oh yeah, I forgot, you can also e-mail me at BST@colonialfleets.com

:D

Darth Marley

February 9th, 2004, 03:00 PM

Oh hang on this program is on comercial TV so I doubt the BBC would pick it up.

But here in the UK the Discovery channel shows the American version of Scrapheap Challenge as well as repeats of the UK version. Maybe Discovery will do the same on your side of the pond.

Ya mon, we get that stuff here. Discovery Channel sounds right.

These are all just spin-offs of Trillion Credit Squadron though.

Titon

February 10th, 2004, 05:57 AM

Nice post Fedaykin. Thanks for the analogy from across the pond.

I know for a fact there are a ton of people that love the new mini. I for one had a part in it as most well know here. I did some of the FX for the show and quite frankly there are parts of it i like.

I'll try to explain a bit about why there's been such an uproar from the original series fans. Actually there's a couple that burn me. First off, Galactica's original run had alot of holes. In fact there were some really really bad episodes in that first season but in today's televison that's almost a given now. Enterprise for a matter of fact still is having first season blues but it has gotten better. Maybe not enough to save it but it's better. Funny thing is they've gotten 4 years to improve it and it's gone basically nowhere. Galactica never had that chance. Probably one of the best produced episdoes of Galactica (The Hand of God) was unfortunately the last. Although some believe that it's a great thing that Galactica was reimagined never seen the Nielsen ratings back then. Galactica, even with it's bad eps, was continuely in the top 10. Today that would be a MAJOR hit. Back then you had to be there just to stay on tv in most cases. All we had back then were the big 3. Basically no sindication and nowhere else for Galactica to go. Once it was determined the cost was just to great the show was dropped. Having realized after the fan outcry did ABC rethink it's stance. By then it was to late. The Bridge had already been destroyed. Do you realize folks that portions of the bridge are still buried on Universal's lot's? It was DeSanto's vision to dig this stuff back up and actually see if he could ressurect some of the old pieces. What a guy. But that's the number one thing here. Galactica gave a incredible showing it's first time around and the premis and look needed to be just honed. Not torn down and reimagined. Fix it and bring it to todays' standards and this show would be spectacular. Like i said, we were 30 days from seeing this happen until Hammer got her hands on the property. So much for that.

Then there's scifi and the guys like Ron Moore. In most cases why would you not reach out and listen to the fans about anything? Alot will say he stayed true to the original concept but in essance he tore the house down. I want dramatic in my scifi, not silence. Space combat realistic is fine but this is science fiction, i don't want it to make sense. Some will double analyze that and rip it apart to combat that analogy, but it's scifi. Escape escape escape. I've said it before and i'll say it again, i do not watch science fiction for realism. Once you bring realism into the picture it becomes fiction. Who cares if it wouldn't work that way? I want heart pounding music, laser effects, explosion and thrusters! Not dead silence. I'll turn off the tv if i want silence. I want an explosion that will rock my mind and rock my tv. I don't want this popcorn fart of an effect tickleing my mind and my tv speakers. Give me dramatic every day. It's why i go to the movies. That's why movies like Lord of the Rings are so dynamic. Isn't that what David Eick tried to portray? If he was he severly missed.

I want the Galactica, not something that looks like your next "ribbed for your pleasure product". I want what alot of fans wanted and chance to expand on what was, not start over and attempt to build the franchise again from the bottom up. It will be very difficult for scifi to accomplish this. There out for a dollar, they have none at the moment and are finding it difficult already to accomplish there goals of a series. If the dedication was there it would have been a done deal already. I find it disturbing for the mini fans who have to rely on the scifi channel to lead this new show. If Scifi cannot find the right amount of dollars to accomplish this now what does that say for the future of Galactica at all? Will budget cuts and lack of money once again undermine what Galactica could be? Can you honestly say it would be worth it to the present new fanbase to only have 6 new episodes? What would that accomplish? Nothing. It would once again leave every Galactica fan hanging for answers just like the original fans have been for almost 30 years.

:)

Antelope

February 10th, 2004, 11:37 AM

With hits like Survivor, the Aprentice, and that Paris Hilton masterpiece on Fox that cost next to nothing to produce shows that have costly special effects and a real cast will always be expensive, viewed by a fine toothed comb by accountants, and one season away from cancellation. If it wasn't for the fact that shows like Star Trek TNG and Voyager are still making good money in sindication I doubt a new Battlestar would be made. Since NBC is taking over SCIFI supposedly I do think the smart thing would be to run new Battlestar episodes on prime time on NBC and then send it for rebroadcast as reruns on SCIFI on a different day of the week at primetime. Between 22 TOS episodes 4 hours of the mini and now 13 new episodes coming you have a perfect one hour prime time show to run on SCIFI when people are actually home to watch it. How about one hour each Monday night either before or after the Stargate Monday. I like Stargate but I can only watch so many episodes of anything in a row.

I fail to understand why SCIFI puts TOS on so early in the day now. I haven't seen a TOS episode except on a holiday marathon in the last two years on cable television.

shiningstar

February 10th, 2004, 12:00 PM

I think you have a good Point Antelope. Well said.

Ian_W359

February 10th, 2004, 04:11 PM

Okay, lemme see.... (takes deep breath... - this'll be my first major comment on TOS vs. the mini - apologies in advance if I appear to tread on any toes :blush: )

I consider myself to be something within UK Galactica fandom (OK - just a small something, I've been a member of the 'Thirteenth Tribe' fan club for 5-6 years and have met the proprietors several times.) Unfortunately, the mini debate has virtually bypassed the club's newsletters (due to none being published during filming of the mini & the period leading up to and after the mini's US transmission). Anyhoo, on speaking - last October - to Vicky, the club's current leader, I was given the impression that the beating heart that drove the original Galactica had been replaced with something (while not altogether dissimilar) which has made the new show different enough to alienate longstanding fans. Some of the Sci-fi media, however have taken something of a different view - Perhaps, seeing the mini as a necessary update.

From my personal view-point, I feel that I must reserve true judgement until I actually see the mini - I have downloaded the script, seen clips, read articles and discussions, but I need to observe the mini's style - its feeling - its atmosphere - will it have the drive - the fire - the excitement - the humanity of its forebear, to entice me into it's universe. Maybe it will - Maybe it wont...

Only time will tell....

All the best,
Ian W359
:)

PS - Sky, who are showing the mini in the UK is now running trailers. It appears that the mini is the lynch-pin of the 'Intergalactic Week' next week - and has created a CGI logo for the 'week' complete with Vipers coming out of launch tubes contained within! :eek:

Take a look at this, Sky's look at the mini - http://www.skymovies.com/skymovies/article/0,,80000-1121064,00.html

Fedaykin

February 11th, 2004, 09:02 AM

Hello IAN_W359,

Nice to see a fellow Brit! I suppose it's indicative of the Situation in Britain amongst fans that I didn't realise that there is a UK fan club and the UK fan club didn't realise/care that there was a new mini series!

You have backed up my point of view that you want to see it before passing comment , I must admit Sky's advistising campaign has been made to look so exciting that I have been slightly pre influenced. Whilst I have red synopsis and watched clips from the new series I have avoided reading any scripts as I feel often whats on paper is very different from whats on screen.

Talking of Sky TV are you surprised that they are showing it on Sky Movies 2 instead of Sky 1 thus barring alot of subscribers from seeing it unless they have the correct package (I'm lucky as I pay for all the channels).

In an earlier post I made a sweeping statement saying that there wern't really any UK based BSG conventions (fan club get togethers don't count). If there are could I have some more info.

Bye

Ian_W359

February 11th, 2004, 12:26 PM

Hello there Fedaykin!

It was nice to read your reply to my post, I agree that after watching the mini - I'll be more qualified to respond to the ideas for any further continuation/re-imagining projects. But on hearing about the news of an order for 13 RDM episodes - I don't feel any special emotion - except an unease at ideas for re-vamping episodes of the Original Galactica, plus maybe another attempt at getting Original cast members to appear as cameos..... :/:

As for the fan club 'The Thirteenth Tribe', the news has not been so good of late (the last year or two). Demands away from fandom have meant that there is less time to work on the newsletters, so I have been told, also there is less material (news, reviews, cast sightings in other shows, fan fiction and artwork) coming in from members - the general cause of the second problem is said to be the rise of internet fandom (such as our beloved Colonial Fleets - no offence Don & Tom :salute: you guys are the best!) Vicky did tell me last year that she was possibly looking to hand over the helm of the club to another member in the future. (I have not heard any more since - I'm overdue to send her an e-mail as it is!).

On the subject of Sky, have you seen how complex their pricing structure is? http://www.sky.com/skycom/allpackages
Sky Movies 2 (formerly known as Sky Movies Max 1) I guess is regarded as their second tier movie service (along with Movies 4,6 & 8 - The first tier being 1,3,5,7 & 9) - The mini may be repeated on the other channels at a later date.

Finally conventions - I do not think there has ever been a UK Galactica convention, although cast members have appeared at events over here - Dirk Benedict at Memorabilia (Birmingham N.E.C.), also with Herb Jefferson Jr. at Cult TV 2002 - Southport, and Richard Hatch at Cult TV 2003 - Weston Super Mare (I think his first UK con appearance was Convergence 1999 - Bristol) - A lot of these appearances are driven by fan demand (and obviously ticket sales - RH's appearence last year was sponsored by a London fan group, boosting the chances of him coming - unlike the year before when he was pulled off the bill a month or two before the event). The best site IMHO for UK convention listings is ConUKopia at Cult TV - http://www.cult.tv/ - Select 'Infocentre' then 'ConUKopia Events Diary'.

Whoa! This has been a long post! If you need any more info on 'The Thirteenth Tribe', please ask, but I recommend sending a letter first - to get an idea on the current status of the club.

All the best,
Ian W359
:)

cobrastrikelead

February 11th, 2004, 03:51 PM

There is much wisdom in live and let live.

jonahlee

February 11th, 2004, 04:20 PM

Glad to see Colonial Fleets is up at least in limited form for the time being. I only joined in around the time the new series was coming out, and found a forum that I really enjoyed being on, without much of the personal attacks that I see going on in forums all over the web (amazing how people can act when they feel safe behind their computer screens). I was delighted to find Colonial Fleets, and was saddened when it went down.

I hope the site does return, but if not I will have fond memories of the discussions that went on here.

Long live Galactica!

shiningstar

February 12th, 2004, 10:31 AM

welcome to the fleet Jonahlee I love your moniker.

jonahlee

February 12th, 2004, 10:43 AM

welcome to the fleet Jonahlee I love your moniker.
Thanks. Well it is my name actually. Jonah Lee Walker. I have been using jonahlee since I fist went on BBS's 20 years ago.

baafan

February 13th, 2004, 03:39 PM

Sheesh. I have really been busy the last 1-1/2 months so I haven't had a chance to visit. Was I in for a shock when I clicked on my CF link and hardly recognized the board.

I've been quickly skimming and browsing various posts here and from reading in between the line, I guess I can figure out what happened. Although I haven't figured out all of the details.

Regardless, I'm glad that Colonial Fleets still is a viable BSG site.

Like many here, I have always been a TOS fan. And up until the mini aired, I was very anti-mini because I wanted TOS to return. But after the watching the mini, I found that I could enjoy it for what it was. And as many of the TOS supporters here have noted, TOS wasn't without it's holes and weaknesses. No different than the mini. So I call myself a fan of both.

I have also thoroughly enjoyed Aaron Douglas/Tyrol and his posts here. Especially since he himself was a TOS fan. But, he got a chance to act/star in the min and he did an excellent job. And then he goes out of his way to communicate with us the fans, here on Colonial Fleets. I really appreciated that.

Anyways, I will continue to visit CF time permitting and hope that whatever the problems, they are behind us.

--- BAAFAN

shiningstar

February 13th, 2004, 03:48 PM

welcome to the fleet Baafan ............ Love the Moniker :thumbsup:

Muffit

February 13th, 2004, 04:05 PM

Welcome baaaaaack Baafan! :D
(Sorry for the joke, couldn't resist!!! :D

:muffit:

baafan

February 13th, 2004, 04:37 PM

Thanks for the welcome baaaaack Muffit and Shiningstar.

The irony is that I never really left. Just a short hiatus. :)

Looking forward to some more lively and fun discussions and debates.

And that's the whole point of the moniker, so no-one gets the wrong idea from my alias name. :laugh:

rotarykid

February 14th, 2004, 06:33 AM

I saw Aaron in "Final Destination 2" last night , Deputy Sherrif .

shiningstar

February 16th, 2004, 10:35 AM

welcome to the fleet rotarykid. I love you nickname!

dvo47p

February 16th, 2004, 07:46 PM

[SIZE=4]"ribbed for your pleasure product".
Ronald D. Moore set out to re-do science fiction, with a prophylactic?

Why for his resume, certainly not our viewing pleasure.

Do read Ron Moore’s synopsis, Call it:
"Naturalistic Science Fiction." or "Taking the Opera out of Space Opera".

CLICK HERE TO READ NOW > www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article353.html

RETURN, POST YOUR OPINION
RDM: “This idea, the presentation of a fantastical situation in naturalistic terms, will permeate every aspect of our series”: Pray tell where, Ron?

RDM: “Our goal is nothing less than the reinvention of the science fiction television series. We take as a given the idea that the traditional space opera, with its stock characters, techno-double-talk, bumpy-headed aliens, thespian histrionics, and empty heroics has run its course and a new approach is required. That approach is to introduce realism into what has heretofore been an aggressively unrealistic genre.”

The show on Scifi is not so much science fiction but a soap opera set in that genre, but why? I’ll tell you why, so Universal could maintain the Battlestar Galactica franchise. Why did Universal farm it out to “Aces & Eights”, CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP & CHEAP…………….

1.) Ron’s Galactica light fits into Scifi’s MOTIVE OPERANDI, less scifi Action as in, few Space Ships, Battles in Space, and not much else Space in Space based show, go ponder this, I have but why?

2.) What really bugs me the most is this show has no vision. I find this hard to put into words, say camaraderie, oh a Marine would say Simper Fi, and everybody knows what he means. Not on Galactica lite, “We are at war” whoopee sh*t, Sherlock, just who don’t know that, Commander Husker?

3.) Athena had history with Starbuck, Cassiopeia had a reputation and Starbuck, Apollo had Serina & Boxey, Adama had what had survived of his family and the remnants of The Twelve Original Colonies of Man on his shoulders. But Adama had a vision rooted in faith, the Colonials followed, sometimes flawed with the shortsighted Council of the Twelve, & say a Sire Uri, to bear.

4.) Way no joint concern for the future of civilian’s on the run, packed on ships like cattle? What civilians? What other ships, zip, nada just a few faces like Trek, gee whiz I wonder how he…..................

5.) No Colonial Movers, any other ships but Galactica, why not? CHEAP CHEAP did I mention CHEAP?

6.) ST: TOS had humor, ST: TNG had humor, ST: DS9 had humor, Star Wars I, II ,III, IV, V had humor
all three Indiana Jones had humor, Battlestar Galactica TOS had humor, so what happened to humor Ron?

7.) The mythos of Earth isn’t a legend, it’s a The Garden of Eden joke/fairy tale, told by the President the Sec. Of Education over heard?

8.) The CG dogfights that Ronnie “eschewed” look like a cheap video game, designed by dyslexic guys on cheap hardware with Atari software, (sorry Ken) Come on was there anyway to figure out what was really happening in those dogfights besides the ones where Baltar’s sex chip fixed fight, please tell me!

9.) Apollo what a leader, I’d follow him only to resign my commission, he inspired squat!

10.) Kara, other than screaming in her cockpit & ramming Apollo’s Viper? What did she do other than get missed by slow motion missiles, in the oddest space battle ever put on tape?

11.) Sex, hell sex is OK Boomer jumping Chief Tyrol’s bones was almost great, Boomer is a Cylon, get it!

12.) Notice all the heavy breathing was with a Cylon?

13.) Romance, flirting, love triangles, cute kids like Boxey, death grief, triade, Chamilion, Boomer hot wiring cars, Beings of light, Babes for Starbuck to save/rescue, Sheba kissing Apollo on the last episode, oh my

14.) The Real Adama was inspirational & thoughtful whereas Husker was just what?

15.) Call it "Naturalistic Science Fiction." Bullsh*t, nope call it CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP & CHEAP

On the subject of Sky Ok on Sky, remember The Brian Singer/Tom DeSanto version of Battlestar Galactica was canceled because The Fox Network dropped out, the reason Galactica lite received that damned 'greenlight', is because it was picked up by Sky TV is a partner, spreading the financial risk unlike that ill fated Fox version.

dvo47p

February 16th, 2004, 08:52 PM

OH, G80 bikes, photo online on Ken Larson's website. try looking up Ken or Kenneth Larson on google. He's a Universal Hartland alumn, was a model maker for them.Ken, Chris, Kenneth Larson, whatever I emailed the guy a few times, he has a Christian oriented sorta website? Michael Faries did a thing with him a while back on bsg.com?

Whatever Glen's kids live in/on Dad's stuff and friends. I would not put much into what that guy says.

Btw: Did you see Glen A. Larson with a DRINK in hand @ the Galacticon? Not soused just a drink, color me curios, ok.

shiningstar

February 17th, 2004, 07:13 AM

DVO ..........I couldn't have said it better myself.

Well done ..............well done :thumbsup:

Fedaykin

February 17th, 2004, 04:04 PM

Quick test

dvo47p

February 17th, 2004, 04:41 PM

Who shot him?

shiningstar

February 19th, 2004, 03:40 PM

Who shot him?

Who shot who? :wtf:

Fedaykin

February 19th, 2004, 04:27 PM

Hi All,

You probably already know but the new BSG has been given the green light for production. Here's the post on the Sci-Fi channel web page...

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SCI FI Channel has greenlit production on the Battlestar Galactica franchise as a new original weekly series. Based on the top-rated December miniseries event of the same name, the one-hour drama is slated to begin production on 13 episodes in Vancouver next month.

All principal cast from the mini will reprise their roles for the series, including Edward James Olmos (Commander Adama), Mary McDonnell (President Laura Roslin), Katee Sackhoff (Starbuck) and Tricia Helfer (Number Six), among others.

Ronald D. Moore (Carnivále, Mission: Impossible 2) returns as executive producer as well as writer. The project will be produced exclusively for SCI FI, in association with Sky One. The series will be distributed by USACE, where David Eick, an executive producer of the miniseries, serves as Executive Vice President.

An edgy reimagining of the 1978 television series, the SCI FI miniseries became the highest-rated cable mini in 2003 — delivering more viewers and higher ratings than HBO's Angels in America. The Battlestar Galactica series is an intriguing take on the classic adventure of a ragtag fleet of humans, the sole survivors of a devastating nuclear attack by the robot Cylons. Faced with an unwinnable battle against a deadly enemy, they are forced to flee under the protection of their one remaining warship, the outdated Battlestar Galactica. Pursued by the Cylons — some of whom have now taken human form — Commander Adama (Olmos) and President Roslin (McDonnell) lead these last remnants of humanity in search of a new home ... a planet called Earth.
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P.S. I'm afraid you will have to wait till next week for my U.K. review of the new mini. I managed to watch the first episode which I really enjoyed but my video failed to record the second episode - may it rot in video hell!!!!! I will have to wait till Sunday when it's repeated before I can compose a suitable review please have patience my fellow galacticans!

shiningstar

February 19th, 2004, 04:35 PM