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larocque6689
December 21st, 2003, 05:54 PM
I plan to write up a detailed review after my second viewing. For now, I'll say that I'll simply say that enjoyed what I saw and am giving it a guarded thumbs up.

The characters that I liked the best were the Cylons: Baltar, Number Six, and sleeper-agent Boomer. Tyrol was the most "human" of all the Colonials and my favorite Colonial character of the entire piece, and as an ordinary crew member, the one I related to the most.

Olmos and McDonnell were good casting choices especially in their tete-a-tete talks in the latter half. Lee "Apollo" Adama was OK - but I wanted to strangle him in the first confrontation with William Adama in his ready room. My views on Kara Thrace parellel those of TBC in his rough cut review - just when I started to really like her (especially before the final pre-jump), she calls Tigh a drunken bastard and a weakling, this at the point when the rest of the fleet were reuniting and reconciling with each other. Tigh's character might actually grow on me in a prospective series, although he spent the first two hours lifeless and reduced to a whisper.

Some of the expected contentious elements didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I confess that I laughed during the two Baltar sex scenes with Number Six, especially when the President's PR guy caught Baltar in a stimulated moment with his implanted hologram.

While I found some of the comments surrounding the babykilling scene beyond defence, the scene itself, while it did not advance the story, was thankfully not graphic. All in all, I found Number Six the most interesting character in the piece and after her, Baltar. In a prospective series I would like to see more of those two.

I was stunned that Adama was founding the Colonial's hope on a lie based on the Scriptural legend of Earth. He then gets Roslin to cover up for him. Even if Earth really exists, the idea that neither of them really knew where it was and claimed otherwise disturbing.

I hated the roving eye on the Cylon ships and wished they'd discard the CGI insectivoid Cylons as they added nothing. The change in the overall Cylon ship designs grew on me notwithstanding. All in all, the F/X on the whole were great and kudos to all involved. On the sound in space issue, the producers cheated by muting sounds during missile launches, bullets and jump sequences. However, this was not too distracting.

I approve of the decision to focus on the people and away from the emotional satisfaction of - for example - seeing 20 Battlestars destroyed, or the deaths of a billion civilians accompanied to the tune of lush, moving, orchestral music. I think what they achieved was a qualified success along the lines of keeping things "realistic", though I would hardly qualify this as a re-invention of the science fiction genre. It certainly could have been a bit livelier in execution, but on the whole, I didn't hate it.

malachi42
December 22nd, 2003, 01:02 PM
My hat is really off to you, Laroque. In the short time I have posted here, you have maintained a objective and positive position on the mini, despite your allegiance to TOS. Your review certainly carries out your goal to be fair and unbiased. You could have hated it, and I believe that also would have been an honest response. You waited and judged it on it's own merits. refreshing!

Darth Marley
December 22nd, 2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by larocque6689
[BSome of the expected contentious elements didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. I confess that I laughed during the two Baltar sex scenes with Number Six, especially when the President's PR guy caught Baltar in a stimulated moment with his implanted hologram.

While I found some of the comments surrounding the babykilling scene beyond defence, the scene itself, while it did not advance the story, was thankfully not graphic. All in all, I found Number Six the most interesting character in the piece and after her, Baltar. In a prospective series I would like to see more of those two.

I was stunned that Adama was founding the Colonial's hope on a lie based on the Scriptural legend of Earth. He then gets Roslin to cover up for him. Even if Earth really exists, the idea that neither of them really knew where it was and claimed otherwise disturbing.

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...but on the whole, I didn't hate it. [/B]

Is it a safe assumption that you did not watch it when it first aired?

I am curious as to how many TOS supporters that "will never watch" may have let their curiousity persuade them to give it a spin.

Commenting on above quote from your post:
Glad you didn't find the sexual content too "over the top."Yes,the scene you mentioned was hilarious.Especially (unless I have lost all reason) he was "interupted" by a Cylon.
I find some char dev elements to the baby scene.As has been commented on elsewhere,the Cylons nuked entire planets,so why the outrage over this scene?Of course the Cylons are evil,but were the mini-creators evil for including the scene?
I feel that mini-Adama's choice to give the mini-Colonials hope by offering a faith-based "lie" was a good policy move.I do not find is shocking that leaders lie on occasion.But you used the term "disturbing."
If continued to series,this plotline could be exploited in future scripts.Is it the crass hypocracy that disturbs you regarding this scene,or something else?
Glad you didn't hate it.

Charybdis
December 22nd, 2003, 01:32 PM
I am an avid TOS supporter and I have not, will not ever watch the new mini-series....

I am not even the least bit tempted to watch this thing. When it was on, I was watching the football game and during the reairing of it, I didn't even know it was being shown. I only found out afterwards and I didn't even blink an eye about it....

Let me be the first to say without a doubt, I have not watched and I have no curiosity about it...Period.

larocque6689
December 22nd, 2003, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Darth Marley
[B]Is it a safe assumption that you did not watch it when it first aired?


I watched a copy another longtime TOS fan sent me in the mail. That and the lowdown and "War and Propaganda" documentary.

Actually, there's a lot of things I liked in it. Saying I did not hate it was a bit of understatement.

My take on the Number Six baby scene is that it was inserted more to reflect on her relationship with the humans, which was a bit more complex then simply destroying them. She's fallen in love with Baltar but has no qualms about the CMP trojan-horse virus which elmiinated humanity. I don't buy it's a mercy killing although she didn't walk away gleefully laughing at the deed either. It was more a curiosity, I think, and I point to her neck/weight comment. I would compare what she did to that of a vivisectionist who commits an act of cruelty against an animal, in the pursuit of curiosity. Number Six is incapable of empathy with the humans yet she's interested in them all the less, especially her amoral lover Baltar. Another Cylon - Leoben - treat humans as no longer the favored of God.

I remember the original Adama being a priest/warrior who BELIEVED in his scriptures (when nobody else did) and who on the basis of faith told his people of the hope of a new world. Here, in the new version, Adama isn't even sure Earth exists (and certainly doesn't know where it is located), but tosses it out as a last-minute hope to people who have none left. I understand why he did it, but it didn't sit well with me.

lordpenquin
December 22nd, 2003, 02:16 PM
I didn't hate the mini, but I didn't love it either. I "liked" it (There were more things wrong with it than right, but it had some interesting scenes). I look at it as an alternate universe/sliders episode kind of thing. It has no relation or no place with TOS. As to the TOS fans that will never watch it, too bad. I suggest you simply skip past all the dialog scenes and watch the space scenes. Watching the vipers fly again was fantastic. Why they kept the vipers largely the same but completely changed the cylon side, I'll never know. It was a bad idea to have "human" cylons, and an even worse idea to have CG cylons drones. I recall the director saying that they redid the cylons because "guys in suits" wouldn't work. It worked fine for TOS, and there is no reason to change it. Even if you do CG, at least do an exact replica of the original cylons. I have seen dozons of "new" cylon designs on other websites that were far superior to anything on the mini.

As to the review, I thought it fair, but you found less faults in it than I did. For me it's hard to have a completely objective opinion on it, since the standards of TOS are so hard to live up to, even in an alternate version of it.

larocque6689
December 22nd, 2003, 03:57 PM
I have seen dozons of "new" cylon designs on other websites that were far superior to anything on the mini.

The best CGI Cylon that I saw was the one that was apparently utilized for the videogame and taken from a Desanto design. I didn't care for the other designs. If it's going to be a man in a suit, it's gotta look like the 1978 Cylons. Yes, I'm a "purist" when it comes to Cylon design.

I fudged on the ships because I honestly liked the Shadow-type base ships. Roving light aside, the "Bat-wings" grew on me.

This was not a full-blown review. If you want me to be picky, I found the characters a weakness and the F/X a plus. The pace of this was slow and thus the characters weren't as animated as I'd like them to be.

Tigh didn't leave anything of an impression on me until some time in the second half. Don't get me wrong - I like unpleasant hardassed characters along the mould of Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas or John Wayne on a bad day, but Tigh wasn't unpleasant enough.

Starbuck was likeable only part of the time - in the air. Bamber's Apollo was like I said - OK, but the father/son conflict didn't work for me and I found myself liking him once he got away from Olmos and did what every good warrior should do - which is do your duty and save the day.

Roslin's first conflict with Adama as president wasn't convincing (re: Adama's schoolteacher comment) . Her character - like Bamber's - improved when when she was away from Adama, gathering the Colonial survivors and developing her own authority.

Olmos was good but could have been better. I wish he had exuded more charisma but he was likeable enough.

Tyrol kicked butt.