TV option not picked up?

[thomas7g]

Sandy released this info on the Cylon.org forums. Its rumor, but the rumors come from good sources.

The Scifi execs were overjoyed at the increased ratings. But its a matter of costs. it cost a fortune and there isn't the amount of money available to go into a full tv series production.

Though this isn't a dead end. The series just isn't picked up for this next year, maybe the next. Maybe it will be sold like Buffy was to the WB or JAG to CBS. Who knows. BG revival has always been a ship with termite problems.

This isn't 100% reliable, but I trust Sandy. And I thought you would prefer to hear about this than wonder.

:)

[thomas7g]

Btw- I ask people on both sides to show some consideration for the other side.

Lets work together and be one community. Not two.;)

[jjrakman]

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Happy happy, joy joy...

[Starbuck]

Onward with the continuation! :girl: :choco:

[dec5]

A series BG's size is just too much for Sci Fi.....it will remain a mini series because the format is more cost effective and the DVD sales is where the action will really take place...

SG1 and Atlantis are Sci fi's main focus.....BG will just be too much.

Olmos will want a big salary.....as well as the main character stars...

It will be just too much....even for a network like Fox, ABC, or NBC...or WB....etc.....

The mini series format will be Moore's choice to continue his new hit...maybe......

I am sure we will know for sure in a few days...

[repcisg]

;)


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[GreggAllinson]

Here we go. The mini proved there's a market for Galactica (even in eviscerated form), but Skiffy doesn't have the money to pay for it (big surprise- they probably spent it all on quality far like Scare Tactics). So, what could possibly justify such a huge budget? A movie. Who holds the rights to the movie? Glen Larson.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are floating in space.

[dec5]

Since Glen Larson got the francise in this situation in the first place by snubbing Richard Hatch........

I doubt anything will change.........even if there is a Moore series...


Glen is still gonna tell Richard to move aside...and disappear.....

[GreggAllinson]

Even if Glen Larson snubs Richard and the rest of the original cast, I have more faith in him carrying forth the Galactica mythos than Ron Moore.

[Jerry Vasilatos]

And if it did, where would it go?

No search for earth. A dismal, bleak, depressing episode each week focusing on what? I find it interesting that as much as the original show is maligned, the structure allowed for the direction it went in, there was a focus, even if some episodes took detours into the "planet of the week" setups. Also, this mini had no hope, no heart, can anyone conceive of someone "re-imagining" "Star Wars" like this? It and "Galactica" share common roots in good vs. evil, and a fairytale like mythology with characters that people loved. Which showcases the ultimate hubris of Bonnie Hammer, and farming out the way she and Sci-Fi wanted it to go to Ron Moore. As much as I detest this show, Moore was given a job with no options for revival or a continuation, so this is what we got. The mini offers no mythology, or foundation for what made the original so beloved, no matter how good the FX were or the acting by Olmos. No one will hold this mini dear in years to come the way fans have of the original. Moore says he was given a directive by Bonnie Hammer to "re-imagine" "Galactica", not continue it, and that he couldn't do this show and give it another name without people calling him on it because of it's similarities in story to "Galactica". I think this is BS, you could have taken the story we just saw on the mini, changed all the BG related names to something else, and with a few more tweaks it would have been a new series by Moore, not a cannibalization of "Galactica" and a slap in the face to fans, Richard Hatch, Glen Larson, or the rest of the original cast who made the original series so much fun.

What struck me tonight about the difference in attitude of the mini and the original came down to something simple... in the original series, Apollo would have tried to figure out a way to save the refugees that were ultimately left behind, the mini's Apollo didn't even think twice about the "numbers" how many would be saved over the sacrifice of leaving so many behind. I think that's the difference in how heroes of the "old days" (chivalrous and ready to do whatever was needed to save those threatened in the most dire of circumstances) with those of today... crunch the numbers and leave helpless victims behind. That to me was the coldest scene in the new mini, as dramatic as it was, the baby killing scene notwithstanding.

Back to work on the Galacticon 2003 DVD...

JV

[dec5]

Regardless of faith.....BG fans got BG 1980....from Glen Larson.
Though Lorne Green and Herb Jefferson did get to reprise their roles with along with Dirk in the end....but still a suprising disapointment....



Nuff said....


BTW in another situation involving another Glen Larson production, Tom Selleck, who has been asking for a Magnum
revival....is also being snubbed and is being replaced by George(Messed up the Batman series) Clooney.....

Once again a former star and original cast is ignored....go figure.......

[jewels]

What JJ said. that many gifs make me dizzzzzzy though.

Happy! It will be joy when the cast is not notified by the 31st.

[Jerry Vasilatos]

That was the director Joel Schumacher's fault. Clooney is a great actor and would have made a great Batman with the right script and director. I didn't know about the Magnum project though not involving Selleck. That's as messed up as the BG cast being snubbed for a continuation. Where did you hear this?

JV

[Jerry Vasilatos]

Don't blame Larson for Galactica 1980. That was decided by ABC, he just delivered what they ordered because they were too cheap to revive what they realized they shouldn't have cancelled to begin with. Even he regrets it, and tried to make up for it when he knew 1980 was being cancelled with the "Return of Starbuck" episode to give fans something special to sign off with.

[Darth Marley]

A depressing anit-climax for mini-fans.

For shame jj, kicking a fellow wacko-libertarian when he is down.

I suppose we mini-fans deserve this dose of instant karma.

[dec5]

Originally posted by Jerry Vasilatos
That was the director Joel Schumacher's fault. Clooney is a great actor and would have made a great Batman with the right script and director.



Clooney kinda admitted that he does hold that title....of destroying the Batman franchise.... I don't think it really bothers him though.


I didn't know about the Magnum project though not involving Selleck. That's as messed up as the BG cast being snubbed for a continuation. Where did you hear this?

JV






Check the Magnum PI fansites...they are pretty hopping mad......more than fans here about the mini..... totally devasting....

I will try to find a link...

[dec5]

Originally posted by Jerry Vasilatos
Don't blame Larson for Galactica 1980. That was decided by ABC, he just delivered what they ordered because they were too cheap to revive what they realized they shouldn't have cancelled to begin with. Even he regrets it, and tried to make up for it when he knew 1980 was being cancelled with the "Return of Starbuck" episode to give fans something special to sign off with.


Return of Star Buck was fine....but his snubbing of Richard, and his admitting his wanting to recast Athena..., really doesn't reinforce any confidence from me .....or any of Richard's or Maren's fans......

[Jerry Vasilatos]

Just curious... I have interviewed them both and never gotten the impression there was a "snub", but that the different directions had more to do with rights issues than anything else.

Larson did not have any rights to "Galactica" up until this past September, when arbitration and cash got him the movie rights back as the original creator. Prior to that, the rights issue was muddied because of Universal going through several owners, I don't think it was ever an issue of Glen snubbing Richard, although he didn't understand or know what rights Richard had when he did the "Second Coming" trailer. Richard himself has stated that he had no rights, but was pursuing them and that the trailer was an effort to show Universal that he had a direction he wanted to go with it since no one was doing anything because the rights issue was so unclear.

I don't know anything about the Maren Jensen issue though, and since she has disappeared I don't know if we'll ever get the story on that.

JV

[dec5]

Originally posted by Jerry Vasilatos
Just curious... I have interviewed them both and never gotten the impression there was a "snub", but that the different directions had more to do with rights issues than anything else.

Larson did not have any rights to "Galactica" up until this past September, when arbitration and cash got him the movie rights back as the original creator. Prior to that, the rights issue was muddied because of Universal going through several owners, I don't think it was ever an issue of Glen snubbing Richard, although he didn't understand or know what rights Richard had when he did the "Second Coming" trailer. Richard himself has stated that he had no rights, but was pursuing them and that the trailer was an effort to show Universal that he had a direction he wanted to go with it since no one was doing anything because the rights issue was so unclear.

I don't know anything about the Maren Jensen issue though, and since she has disappeared I don't know if we'll ever get the story on that.

JV


The Maren situation was mention by Larson in his CFQ article, I think...
If a 2nd season was going to happen they would have recasted Athena.
Regardless Richard said that they didn't think Maren was needed any more and was cut out of the show in the last eppys.



As for Richard.... from what I have read....the Glen camp was none too happy with Richards 2nd coming vision...and felt Richard was stepping over the line. Just by observation Glen doesn't seem to want to work with Richard..IMO. And the last few efforts to revive the show has always seemed to me anyway to make Richard seem to be the odd man out that nobody in the production side wants to talk to.

[Jerry Vasilatos]

On one hand, there is the original creator of the show who wasn't doing anything actively to revive the show, on the other, a very sincere actor from the original show trying to get things jumpstarted without any of the rights.

I think I understand Larson's feeling that no one else should have been tinkering with his creation without permission, while I also wholeheartedly support Richard stepping up to the plate and trying to take the bull by the horns and make things happen. I have heard there was some bad blood in the early period when Glen heard about Richard's efforts and wasn't supportive because he wasn't involved, but the two have long since buried that hatchet and gotten closer in this past year by both of their accounts. I am hoping that reconciliation and the mutual ordeal they have both suffered watching Moore's re-imagining supercede everything they would like to do builds a bridge by which we can see a revived "Galactica" with both Richard and Glen involved and Apollo and Starbuck back in action.

JV

[thomas7g]

On the bg dvd commentary the mention that Maren Jensen was dropped several episodes before the end of the first series.

:(

Idiots.

[dec5]

This is Glens baby.....BG was something he wrote ..as so he says...while being inspired by Trekkers and Gene Roddenberry..


But it seems to me that Richard is responsible for making a revival possible again...after basically years of silence from Larson.


But I hope like you that Larson and Hatch really do work together...it would definitely make a revival TOS movie into reality.

[thomas7g]

I think its highly possible for both to work together again. As long as Glen wants to. :D

I think Richard would take any job as long it felt he was treated with respect and not being a token presence.

Larson appears to me to be a very religious man. Terry Carter (tigh) said Larson hates obscenity. And you can tell alot of the style of the show saw people from a very positive view often held by religious men. The people didn't really cuss. It was more like play-cussing. And all the characters had a deeply "good" guality about them. Real. But good.

The story itself was basically Moses leading the Jews out of Egypt. Instead of slavery, we had a cylon destruction. But basically it was the same idea. Adama was Moses. The threee main warriors parted the red sea of mines. And like the original story, the refugees upon escaping the wrath of the Pharoahs did give up their religious direction and partake in sins flesh aka Carillon Eventually the chosen ones, their faith rekindled, did coninue their quest to the promised Holy land.

:D

[amberstar]

How ironic production cost could halt a serries of Battlestar Galactica!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully we willl be on our way to a continuation movie. I think that Larson would be more faitful to the Original than Moore. :bounce: :bounce: :muffit: :muffit: :beaver: :choco: ;)

Amber

[dru]

I didn't notice this at cylon.org. A link might've been nice. Maybe I'm just blind from spending too much time there. :D

Moore, I think, has worked himself into a corner. His vision of Galactica can only work as a collection of mini-series much like Glen Larson planned for the classic as a series of telefilms.

I don't blame Larson for being miffed with Hatch or other productions *rightly* keeping him out of their business. He hasn't got any rights, he's just an actor. Anyone who thinks differently is as deluded as the notion that Apollo is of pure Kobolian blood. I'd rather Apollo be killed off than a continuation be made impossible by Hatch's participation, diva demands or what have you. The "humility" from Hatch just seems hollow and phony. I'm sorry.

It's a big ensemble. As the clear breakout of the show, only Dirk isn't expendable, imho.

[Jerry Vasilatos]

I'm really not here to fight people's battles, but I know Richard personally and have been friends with him now for about 3 years. His humility is neither hollow nor phony. He's one of the most genuine people I've met out here in L.A., and in this town that's a rare thing. There wouldn't have been a 25th Anniversary convention had it not been for him because no one was picking up the reins, and what's unfolded to now regarding the mini even being made probably has more to do with him mortaging his house and making that trailer than anything else. I don't think Universal really recognized the value of the property they were sitting on while it was languishing until he brought it to their attention, and then they started shopping it around to others. It's not surprising, studios here don't really have much going in the ethics department when it comes to treating people right and Richard has been unjustly maligned by many to suit their own agendas.

JV

[jeditemple]

Regardless of the outcome, I think a lot of people have ended up with bloody noses over the entire controversy. It's been a nasty civil war of sorts, with the sci-fi community being split right down the middle. In the history of science fiction entertainment, I've never seen such a divisive set of circumstances. The sad part is that this could have been avoided if the "powers that be" had taken into consideration the huge fanbase that existed and did some "common sense" research. I would hope that this lesson burns itself in real good, but I don't have much faith in people...and we might be doomed to repeat it again.

I think it's a good thing for the T.V. option to be passed over. I also think it's good that we may not see a movie developed right away. In my opinion, we need a dramatic pause to let all of this sink in. As a community of fans, we need to heal and come together. Whatever is done in the future, I hope that they take their time and do it right. Of course, sometimes "hope" is all we have.

[Charybdis]

I think after all that has transpired, Glen is probably willing to work more with Tom DeSanto on a continuation movie. Richard seems to have been left out of the mix, so to speak.

Anyone who does not like Richard's attempts at the revival can probably breathe easy since he will not be one of the decision-makers on a new Galactica movie. That's too bad since I think he did breathe new life into the revival. Let's face it, like his ideas or not, it is RICHARD HATCH we all should thank for anything related to BSG right now!!!

The thing is: will there even be an attempt at a new Galactica movie??

If the mini takes off into a series, despite the rumors now floating around, would that mean the continuation movie would not be welcome??

If the mini is derailed due to lack of funds and it does not make it to a series, does that mean a new movie CAN get made to see if the continuation storyline flies as well????

I think this is not over my friends. Stay tuned!!!!

[Belloby]

The first thing the Sci-Fi Channel has done right. I might actually subscribe again! :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit:

[repcisg]

I am not surprised by the dropping of the series. This kind of show is very expensive to do on a weekly basis, the return on investment is much to low. What is needed is a plan for a series of minis’ produced once or twice a year at best.

As for the ownership rights, much has been said. But let me clarify a few points, Glen Larson holds the copyrights to the original series, Universal holds the copyright to the theme (basic story) and has copyrighted the name Battlestar Galactica. This has lead to a kind of nonfunctional partnership between Universal and Larson that left the original show in limbo for the last 25 years. Richard Hatch has no rights to any of this.

As I understand it, these dates are close as I can get, in 1985, 1991 and 1995, Glen approached Universal to do a revival and was turned down cold. Then Richard appeared and was getting interviews with Universal about his project. Glen sued Universal, forcing them into arbitration. He won. Not long after that it was revealed Universal had actually transferred their rights to Studio USA, a small cable company operated by Brian Diller. Sci-Fi was part of Studio USA at that time. Universal owned 44% of Studio USA but had sold its voting rights to Diller. Giving them ownership but no right to have a say in the operation of the company.

With Larson’s victory in court, it became clear Universal or Studio USA had to do something with Battlestar Galactica or allow Larson to proceed with his plans. So Bonnie Hammer, head of the Sci-Fi channel, proposed a show built around a ship with Bio domes. This was the first attempt to reimagine the story to get around Larson's copyright. It was universally disliked by the fans and press alike, it died.

Now Vivendi steps into the picture and buys Universal. Their objective; gain control of the cable network Studio USA through Universal. The **** hit the fan when it was discovered who owned the voting rights. Vivendi nearly went bankrupt buying them back. In the process the cable channels of Studio USA (The USA Channel and SciFi Channel) were merged into Universal. The situation we see to day. During the Vivendi’s take-over Tom DeSanto and Brian Singer, of X-men fame, approached the USA Channel (SciFi’s sister cable channel) about doing a Battlestar Galactica mini. They were signed and Larson was brought on board as a consultant.

Officially the DeSanto/Singer project was killed by 9/11. That is about when Hammer stepped back into the picture and sent David Eick to find a writer (Ron Moore) to do another reimagine. This was done, and resulted in the current Mini. Hammers objective was to secure the copyright for Universal, this has been done but only in part. Larson has been able to prove the new mini is a derivative of his copyrighted work. This puts him back in the game.

While details of the final deal are not clear, and may never be. Larson has, or so he claims, the theatrical rights (movie rights) to do a movie. Universal still holds the television rights, but sees no profit in exercising them at this point.

So as before, the waters surrounding Battlestar Galactica are as muddy as ever, only time will tell who really owns what.

[Jerry Vasilatos]

That's one of the most straightforward and concise explanations I've heard, and pretty much amplifies what I was told by Mr. Larson when I had the chance to interview him a few months back. Thanks for shedding light on all the details and making it more understandable!

JV

[GreggAllinson]

So, as I understand it, even if Skiffy wanted to do a continuation, they couldn't do it without Glen Larson?

[malachi42]

I've talked to some people I know who work at Sci Fi, and they say that no decision has been made yet. They are in discussions as to how an ongoing series would be implemented. Thay all take it for granted that it couldn't cost as much as the mini,but eactly what that would mean has yet to be decided. But the word is that it would probably get the green light depending on those discussions. Sorry. Don't want to be the rain bearer, but don't want peole to get too excited with potentially false hopes.

[Dark_Man]

So this all goes back to what I siad in other posts. All of this stems from the stupid french (Vivendi) and there greed. Joy.

I find it amuseing the USA channel and USA studio's are owned by a French company. Heh... Someone realy should hunt down that idiot from segrams who sold universal and ask him exactly what the hell he was thinking when he sld to the french.

Throw in 9-11 and guess what you have. A big fat mess. Sigh...

[dec5]

Originally posted by repcisg
I am not surprised by the dropping of the series. This kind of show is very expensive to do on a weekly basis, the return on investment is much to low. What is needed is a plan for a series of minis’ produced once or twice a year at best.

As for the ownership rights, much has been said. But let me clarify a few points, Glen Larson holds the copyrights to the original series, Universal holds the copyright to the theme (basic story) and has copyrighted the name Battlestar Galactica. This has lead to a kind of nonfunctional partnership between Universal and Larson that left the original show in limbo for the last 25 years. Richard Hatch has no rights to any of this.

As I understand it, these dates are close as I can get, in 1985, 1991 and 1995, Glen approached Universal to do a revival and was turned down cold. Then Richard appeared and was getting interviews with Universal about his project. Glen sued Universal, forcing them into arbitration. He won. Not long after that it was revealed Universal had actually transferred their rights to Studio USA, a small cable company operated by Brian Diller. Sci-Fi was part of Studio USA at that time. Universal owned 44% of Studio USA but had sold its voting rights to Diller. Giving them ownership but no right to have a say in the operation of the company.

With Larson’s victory in court, it became clear Universal or Studio USA had to do something with Battlestar Galactica or allow Larson to proceed with his plans. So Bonnie Hammer, head of the Sci-Fi channel, proposed a show built around a ship with Bio domes. This was the first attempt to reimagine the story to get around Larson's copyright. It was universally disliked by the fans and press alike, it died.

Now Vivendi steps into the picture and buys Universal. Their objective; gain control of the cable network Studio USA through Universal. The **** hit the fan when it was discovered who owned the voting rights. Vivendi nearly went bankrupt buying them back. In the process the cable channels of Studio USA (The USA Channel and SciFi Channel) were merged into Universal. The situation we see to day. During the Vivendi’s take-over Tom DeSanto and Brian Singer, of X-men fame, approached the USA Channel (SciFi’s sister cable channel) about doing a Battlestar Galactica mini. They were signed and Larson was brought on board as a consultant.

Officially the DeSanto/Singer project was killed by 9/11. That is about when Hammer stepped back into the picture and sent David Eick to find a writer (Ron Moore) to do another reimagine. This was done, and resulted in the current Mini. Hammers objective was to secure the copyright for Universal, this has been done but only in part. Larson has been able to prove the new mini is a derivative of his copyrighted work. This puts him back in the game.

While details of the final deal are not clear, and may never be. Larson has, or so he claims, the theatrical rights (movie rights) to do a movie. Universal still holds the television rights, but sees no profit in exercising them at this point.

So as before, the waters surrounding Battlestar Galactica are as muddy as ever, only time will tell who really owns what.


Thanks for the info......that really puts it in perspective....it all politics and money.....and we fans are left out in the cold with Hatch...

I have kept out any emotional attachments to the BG franchise for this reason .......It is such a messy situation........



Thank Goodness for SG1.....or I'd be going through BG depression..hee hee.

[amberstar]

Richard Hatch is the reason why we are here today. He has spent his time and own money and devoted it to the fans. Hatch understands what we want and has been a voice in the dark for many of us. I respect him and WANT him as Apollo in a continuation.
Hopefully Larson and Hatch can work through their differences.
Just my opinion.
Amber

[originalsinner]

The right time for Moore to back away is now. The mini is the past now, And only the future could be with Larson and geting this movie thing going,

I hope Grace Park lands a role if theres a movie, but not as boomer! the best actor in the mini/!

[originalsinner]

The right time for Moore to back away is now. The mini is the past now, And only the future could be with Larson and geting this movie thing going,

I hope Grace Park lands a role if theres a movie, but not as boomer! the best actor in the mini/!

[Darth Marley]

Maren was a fabulous babe.

Seriously,why were they going to cut her?

[DCRabbit]

Okay, let me get this straight. Everything about the new mini.. from doing it in the first place, to the gender changing, blah blah.. everything we don't like about it.. was done to stick it to Glen Larsen? To get his copyright away from him?

DC

[Sci-Fi]

Originally posted by DCRabbit
Okay, let me get this straight. Everything about the new mini.. from doing it in the first place, to the gender changing, blah blah.. everything we don't like about it.. was done to stick it to Glen Larsen? To get his copyright away from him?

DC

From what I understand, Glen Larsen has to give his permission or sell the rights for anybody to make or remake another Galactica. That was the problem Hatch had all these years. Richard was doing things without asking for or getting Larsen's permission/consent. The TOS cast, in separate interviews, had said the same things in past years about Hatch and his obsession/project. You needed Glen or Universal Studios to give the go ahead on any revival. I would suspect a BSG movie could have been made years ago if everybody was on the same page and the financing was there.

Perhaps, if everybody supported the current mini-series and its subsequent episodes, there could be a theatrical movie made with most of the TOS cast. Somewhat like the Star Trek movies that ended up reviving the ST franchise and spawning new series (TNG, DS9, Voyager, & Enterprise) and even more movies. BSG fans have to support feverishly whatever BSG stuff that comes along like the ST fans do. ST, TMP wasn't the best movie, but ST fans went 10+ times to see it AND bought the DVD's and Videos. I'm still upset about TOS dropping Athena, Maren Jensen, without any explaination, she just disappeared from the series.
:salute:

[SAR Pilot]

Thanks for the further characterization of the situation, Sci-Fi. I have kept my emotional involvement with TOS and the continuation at a minimum over fears of what you have described. It looks like I was right to do so. . . but you have a good point about the fan base and its needed support.

Whether fans of TOS supported the mini or not is now a moot point! Now we must all support BSG in all of its guises, including the mini and any future series spawned from it, otherwise there will be even less hope of a continuation movie.

Again, thank you for clearing up the fog surrounding the issues.

[Micheleh]

Originally posted by Sci-Fi
That was the problem Hatch had all these years. Richard was doing things without asking for or getting Larsen's permission/consent. The TOS cast, in separate interviews, had said the same things in past years about Hatch and his obsession/project...

I'd appreciate if you don't refer to it as an obsession. I also don't think it's fair to make a blanket assumption that Richard never approached Glen in the beginning.

Thanks.

(I am not posting this to be critical, btw. It just reads badly, tha's all.)

[Corwwyn]

Originally posted by Sci-Fi

Perhaps, if everybody supported the current mini-series and its subsequent episodes, there could be a theatrical movie made with most of the TOS cast.

I think that's bunk.

The only thing support for G2003 would garner is more G2003 (in series/mini/and-or movie form) and I don't believe any BSG FAN wants that.

To get a faithful continuation series/movie(s) TPTB must become convinced that it would be financially well worth their while.


Somewhat like the Star Trek movies that ended up reviving the ST franchise and spawning new series (TNG, DS9, Voyager, & Enterprise) and even more movies.

This comparison is non sequitur. If this were a true analogy, then TNG would have spawned the TOS movies rather than visa versa.


BSG fans have to support feverishly whatever BSG stuff that comes along like the ST fans do.


I think it's pretty obvious the greater majority of ST fans do not support "any junk" that only rides on the Star Trek name.
If you doubt this, just consider how much of a "success" ST:Nemesis was, and what an "outstanding success" Enterprise is (with the switchscythe of potential cancellation hanging over its head - something unheard of for a Trek series in over a generation)!

[Corwwyn]

Originally posted by SAR Pilot
Now we must all support BSG in all of its guises, including the mini and any future series spawned from it,

I'd rather die. The mini is a pox and an insult.

I loathe near everything the mini stands for.

otherwise there will be even less hope of a continuation movie.
Nonsense.

The more successful the G2003 mini is the less hope for a continuation movie. Heck, if the mini was a huge hit, the only movie would be a G2003 movie, and that would be close to my worst nightmare.

[Dawg]

I knew there was something I liked about Corwwyn!

100% accurate, my friend.

Thank you for saying it so well.

:thumbsup: :salute:

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Darth Marley]

This REAL BSG fan supports the mini.

I accept that many have a contrary point of view.

I thought the idea was that I withhold acrimonious remarks,and those that don't share my views would as well.

[Corwwyn]

Kind words Dawg. Thank you. :)

[SAR Pilot]

The point I was making by stating support all BSG is based upon the following:

We all signed petition after petition in support of a TOS continuation, which showed there was an interest in a fresh look at the old franchise. Most supported the story Richard Hatch proposed, and I still do today. What did it get us? A glimmer of hope that Richard's vision would come to fruition. . . but then no one was willing to grant him the ability to fulfill the dream. Larson's vision was largely unpopular, am I wrong? According to what I have read over the past two years, I am not. So a third party view came into play, one that looked to provide a re-imaged Galactica and crew. No one like that much either, until after it was shown. There are many TOS fans, myself included, who enjoyed the mini and did not view it as some unholy spawn of a demented mind. Instead we appreciated it for its similarities, but also its differences. . . like reading Shakespeare, then reading or viewing variants of the original, the original holds a key place in your heart and mind but the variant is good in its own right.

All of that to ask the following: would we be having the same in-fighting if it were Larson's rendition that was shown(rather than the mini), which we didn't want, but later appreciated because it was a renewal in interest of the greater public of the BSG legacy? From what I read here and elsewhere everybody is jumping on board with Larson, when before people were crying foul.

The greater public, whether we like it or not, appeared to enjoy the mini's telling of the tale, and it is the power in positive numbers that the studios will be looking at, not how unfair we think it is that they didn't do it our way!

[AlternityOrange]

The greater public, whether we like it or not, appeared to enjoy the mini's telling of the tale, and it is the power in positive numbers that the studios will be looking at, not how unfair we think it is that they didn't do it our way!

Sorry, I would have to disagree there. Other than the obvious falsely flooded skiffy forum, I would say the "public" is about 50/50 (and that's optimistic) in their reaction to the mini. Whether that makes a difference or not, who knows? Feedback has been ignored all along after all. But the claims that everyone loved the mini except for those mean old "purists" are false.

[Dawg]

Darth, nobody's lobbing acrimonious remarks your way. Nobody's taking issue with you supporting the mini or not.

Corwwyn, in the forum for those of us who don't think much of the mini, has expressed his opinion that the mini was lacking - quite eloquently, in fact. He has expressed a position that many of us share - that blind enthusiastic support of the mini will have a dampening effect on the chances of a TOS revival. He did so in response to comments made by others - not you.

If comments like that (made in response to remarks you didn't make) offend you, Darth, why are you in the "Bad and Ugly" forum in the first place? All of the comments in this forum are likely to offend you.

My own feeling, at this moment, is that you should scurry back to the "Good Stuff" mini forum, get your diaper changed, and let the grownups talk. (But, then, Mrs. Dawg dragged me through two malls and a Fry's today so I'm tired and more than a little cranky.) ;)

SAR, I believe it is a mistake to "support" the mini's vision in any way if we want a TOS continuation in any form. Corwwyn (and others) have expressed it very well: the logical assumption is "interest = $$$", and if the interest is in BSG03, that's what future BSG projects will be. That's why my letters in 2 weeks are going to express my interest in a TOS continuation under a Larson/DeSanto banner, and will mention my disappointment in both the story and the quality of the Sci-Fi effort.

It makes absolutely no sense to think that supporting a vision I do not like will bring me a vision I do like.

See?

Did they pay attention to us before? No. They deliberately ignored us, in fact. Will they pay attention to us now? Unknown - unlikely, but unknown - but if we don't make some positive noise now we'll never know, will we?

Letters to NBC go out 1/2 - letters of support to Mr. Larson (and Mr. DeSanto), too.

I am
Dawg
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[Sci-Fi]

Originally posted by Micheleh
I'd appreciate if you don't refer to it as an obsession. I also don't think it's fair to make a blanket assumption that Richard never approached Glen in the beginning.

Thanks.

(I am not posting this to be critical, btw. It just reads badly, tha's all.)

Sorry about that, no offence meant by me, the word "obsession" came from Dirk Benedict's interview. Laurette Spang's, Herb Jefferson Jr.'s, and Anne Lockhart's comments were more diplomatic, and basically stated Larsen and Universal Studios owned BSG. I fully appreciate Hatch's efforts and the excellent short he made, Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming. While Richard may have well approached Glen in the beginning, he still needed Larsen's support/permission to get the project at least into pre-production.

Off Topic: Not sure if anybody has posted this site or if the downloads are still available, http://www.spacebattles.com/movies.php , but there are some interesting concepts and mini movies made by Sci-Fi fans there.

[SAR Pilot]

Dawg,

I am just venting my frustrations at the whole bloody mess going back to when a continuation was first mentioned and the hope that arose as a result. . . only to be crushed by the "powers that be" who control the $$$. Right now I have little hope of any continuation for the same reason. I guess I would rather see a new generation fan base develop to build the numbers interested in the franchise, so we have larger numbers to take to the studios in support of a continuation big screen movie.
On a different note, has anyone besides myself ever been interested in a Colonial Wars series? My friends and I from college used to talk about a series which took place during the war with the Cylons, definitely more of a military series with escort ships and larger battles. Long before Enterprise came out btw.

[Darth Marley]

"Darth, nobody's lobbing acrimonious remarks your way. "

until:

"My own feeling, at this moment, is that you should scurry back to the "Good Stuff" mini forum, get your diaper changed, and let the grownups talk."

Amusing!

[Dawg]

It was meant to be. ;)

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Dawg
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[Micheleh]

I have to back Darth on this one. Dawg, mind your manners, please.

If anyone thinks anyone's conduct needs addressed, that's what the PM's to the mods are for, plus the "report this post" feature.

[Dawg]

I think Darth got the joke, Michelle.

;)

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Dawg
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[Darth Marley]

As for why I am on the "bad" board: as a minifan,I have a native interest in topics billed as "TV option not picked up."

While I don't take such comments as a joke,I am pretty thick skinned.

I do find it hypocritcal for anti-mini forces to recount how abused they have been through the year,yet still go on about how they are the "true fans" and demean us helpless fans of the miniverse.

If we are not ALL going to stand up and take the punches from the other side,then perhaps one's views are not defensible.

But I believe a more civil discourse is a more desirable situation.

[Dawg]

Originally posted by SAR Pilot
Dawg,

I am just venting my frustrations at the whole bloody mess going back to when a continuation was first mentioned and the hope that arose as a result. . . only to be crushed by the "powers that be" who control the $$$. Right now I have little hope of any continuation for the same reason. I guess I would rather see a new generation fan base develop to build the numbers interested in the franchise, so we have larger numbers to take to the studios in support of a continuation big screen movie.
On a different note, has anyone besides myself ever been interested in a Colonial Wars series? My friends and I from college used to talk about a series which took place during the war with the Cylons, definitely more of a military series with escort ships and larger battles. Long before Enterprise came out btw.

SAR, I understand the feeling. I came kind of late, compared to others, into this discussion - I had been aware of the 2nd Coming trailer, and when I heard the name Ron Moore, I had high hopes. Dashed, of course.

But, again, I am compelled to point out that, if the fanbase appears to demand a BSG based on the mini, that's what we'll get - feature or series - future "BSG" will be based on the mini, not TOS. I do not find that acceptable. I will not spend any money on anything based on the mini. The mini is not Battlestar Galactica. So why would I spend any money on it?

Yes, by all means, let's get a new generation of fans on board - TOS, the real Battlestar Galactica. Not the fake.

Can we make a difference? I don't know. But we will make no difference at all if we don't try.

And your idea about "Colonial Wars" is a good one - in fact, have you considered writing fanfic along those lines? There are a couple of BSG fanfic sites you might want to participate in.

Now, Darth - obviously, I was wrong and you didn't get the joke. I'm sorry. Apparently, you got offended even though I was poking fun at myself and tried to build bridges that way.

Let me say to you, very clearly, that your opinion of the quality and content of the miniseries does not (and cannot) reconcile with mine. I am going to cheer when I hear "no series" and you are going to cheer when you hear "series." Discussions about it that you and I may participate in will not result in a change of either opinion. In the future, then, when we find ourselves in the same discussion, I will try to refrain from using humor, and you'll need to remember that this: ;) means I just might be kidding around.

The only time my civility actually fails me is when someone attacks me, or if I have dealt with one too many fools. You haven't been around here long enough to have seen that, but the longer you're here and the more we interact the more obvious that fact will become.

I am also very opinionated where BSG is concerned (big shock to you, I know). I am more than happy to discuss those opinions with people who both share them and not. And, I am as civil as I am treated.

Good night.

I am
Dawg
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[shiningstar]

Thanks for posting TOm.

[DCRabbit]

Originally posted by Sci-Fi
From what I understand, Glen Larsen has to give his permission or sell the rights for anybody to make or remake another Galactica. That was the problem Hatch had all these years. Richard was doing things without asking for or getting Larsen's permission/consent. The TOS cast, in separate interviews, had said the same things in past years about Hatch and his obsession/project. You needed Glen or Universal Studios to give the go ahead on any revival. I would suspect a BSG movie could have been made years ago if everybody was on the same page and the financing was there.
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Makes sense. Thank you very much for the reply!

DCR

[thomas7g]

the title of this post is based on obsolete info. So I'm closing it to prevent confusion for new members.