This area is for people that liked the show!!

[Dean Martin]

Why are people that did not like the new show crossing over here and adding comments to threads that are negative? You have an area for that. All you are doing is raining on the parade of people that enjoyed the show.
As I understand it, This area is to discuss the show with people that liked it. If you want to yell insults, do it from across the street!!

[Titon]

Dean, take it easy. It's going to be back in forth for a while so just bare with us until we get things settled down.

This entire site was created based on the original series and you are in the middle of one of the biggest pro continuation sites on the net.

That being said we recognize the mini and have graciously provided a site for you guys to talk. Personally most of the handles i've seen in the last few days are new comers. We'll take it in stride just don't get us in the middle of a war.

That's one thing that i will not allow.

:)

So post and have fun, let us worry about keeping things in order

;)

[Dean Martin]

Well someone has to say something or keep on top of it otherwise this area is a waste of time. Or should I lie and say I didn't like it just for loyalty sake. I think a lot of old time fans were prepared to hate the new show no matter what.

EDIT DELETED.

[Spectre]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Well someone has to say something or keep on top of it otherwise this area is a waste of time. Or should I lie and say I didn't like it just for loyalty sake. I think a lot of old time fans were prepared to hate the new show no matter what.

EXACTLY !!!!


They're sitting out there waiting for the mini to start just thinking...

" This is gonna suck...I hate Moore....Richard Hatch was SO screwed over..."


All even before the first scene, they were determined to NOT give it a chance. Grow up people...you don't get everything you want.

-Spec

[Titon]

Unless of course this area was made for an ambush...

Ummm, no. We did not create a forum here at Fleets to jump all over mini supporters. Please re-read what i just posted. We recognize the mini for what it was, a different version of Battlestar. And that's the way we will treat it.

Your passionate one way, there are others that are passionate the other way. When we catch threads out of place we will move them but expect to get a little heat form the continuation crowd.

:)

[Dean Martin]

I'm glad you agree but I think that your harsh tone is not going to help the situation. I for one am a big fan of the original. I tuned into the new show expecting crap and there was a lot of good and interesting ideas in there that I have not heard one die hard fan say, that was good or I liked the new looking Cylon, that was cool.
That's how I know that there are loyalty issues. But as a fan of all the series I would say that these fans have been loyal, and supportive and they are dissapointed. I am to a degree as well. If you want them to not insult what you like I would not throw gasoline on the fire.

[Dean Martin]

Originally posted by Titon
Ummm, no. We did not create a forum here at Fleets to jump all over mini supporters. Please re-read what i just posted. We recognize the mini for what it was, a different version of Battlestar. And that's the way we will treat it.

Your passionate one way, there are others that are passionate the other way. When we catch threads out of place we will move them but expect to get a little heat form the continuation crowd.

:)

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm PASSIONATE about the new show. I liked it, and would like to discuss it from that point of view. I'm passionate about the old show. Because I liked the new show doesn't mean I am not in favor of the old anymore.

[Titon]

Ok. sooooooooo what are we talking about then?

:)

[Dean Martin]

We'retalking about discussing the various aspects of the new show, where it can go, and everything surrounding it without getting bombarded by, "The larson/Desanto version would have rocked, this sucks" kind of remark.

[Titon]

And we will do our best to move and help control that aspect for you guys in order to discuss the new Galactica. That's what i stated before.

You will see i already moved a thread out of this area. But sometimes it will take us a bit of time to move things around. We can't catch everything at the drop of a hat.

In essence you guys can help keep things on an even kiel by *ignoring* those types of threads at all. There going to happen, plain and simple.

:)

Oh and one more thing to try and help ease tensions, i *will* give this discussion area creedence especially since i worked on the FX for the new series. As much as i love the original show i did work on this new one. I don't have to like some of the direction they took but i still had a stake in it.

:)

[larocque6689]

Well said, Titon.

Any chance you can lure Gakchat over here?

[jewels]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Unless of course this area was made for an ambush...

No it wasn't created for an ambush Dean. I actually dislike the division because it fractures the normal discussion around here, which can get heated but is *never* to go to the the point of personally flaming someone. That said I totally support the attempt to keep the place peaceful. If there are posts which disturb you, any mod on this board is available by PM or you can click on "report this post" in any individual post and state your complaint. It will be looked into. You also have the ability to go into your profile and type in the handle of any poster you wish to ignore and when you read a thread their posts will not appear for you.

I have seen a lot of disrespect and rudeness from a few select newbies here that makes me think that the antagonism starts with those posters. Spectre being a one example so far. Anyone who comes here just to pick fights will find they are not welcome.

This is a pro-continuation website because it is the interest and advocacy of pro-continuation/TOS fans that ultimately (to most of our chagrin or horror) resulted in the miniseries which you espouse to like. If you don't like it here, another of our friends' boards might be more comfortable for you, try www.subspacebbs.com Dennis Bailey has a nice pro-mini board started there and his moderation is fair and even handed, as long as you have a single handle and don't flame another poster. Anyone here would recommend his place to you.

Jewels

[Dean Martin]

Well I'm not sure exactly what you did but I liked the FX for a TV show it looked pretty good so GOOD WORK!

It's a couple of hours of TV. What's important is whether or not you were entertained or maybe you smiled or saw something you liked.

[Domiano]

Originally posted by Titon
Ummm, no. We did not create a forum here at Fleets to jump all over mini supporters.

:)

That one line made me laugh......mini supporters

There are three sizes of sport equipment supporters large, medium and mini.

Seriously, there should not be a war. We should all be glad that in some way the name Battlestar Galactica will be fresh in everyone's mind. Hopefully there will be a movie made with Glen, Tom and Richard.

[Dean Martin]

*AHEM* I wear the large, BTW.

:D

[Titon]

Dean in the coming days i'll post images of the ships my partner (Mark Dickson) and i created for the show. The ships in general were the original series Colonial Shuttle you see in the opening scenes and the Gemini Freighter. Those are the original ships that Mark and i produced for the show. Not only that but in night 2 you see a new design for the Colonial Shuttle. That was also created by me and my partner.

I also had a hand in detailing certain parts of the new Galactica. So is there anything i found intersting in the new series? Why of course. There are different aspects that definately are appealing but there also are points that i consider pointless. BUT in essence there were alot of those with the original as well.

Don

:)

[jeditemple]

Originally posted by Spectre
They're sitting out there waiting for the mini to start just thinking...

" This is gonna suck...I hate Moore....Richard Hatch was SO screwed over..."


All even before the first scene, they were determined to NOT give it a chance. Grow up people...you don't get everything you want.

-Spec

I don't think anyone is "out there waiting" to attack you for liking the miniseries. I haven't been posting here for very long, but I haven't encountered any hostility. It's a Message Board and sometimes people are going to disagree with you, but don't take it personally. You should consider the tone you're using, telling people to "grow up." Some people make take that in the wrong way. We're all here to have fun.

I agree with what Titon said. Just give it some time for folks to settle into their discussion areas, whether it's pro or con.

[Dean Martin]

Well the problem is that the people that feel strongly about hating something feel stronger about it than the people who just liked it so what is going to happen is, the HATERS are going to come in here, already angry, looking for someone to take their frustration out on. And it is still happening.
I'll give it time but when I see an in-FRAC-tion I am going to point it out.

[Hito]

This place has been around for a bunch more years than the Mini had even been considered.
It's core membership are fans that have given a lot (physically, emotionaly and even financialy) to get the original back. So there is bound to be a little tension.
moreso becasue of a small disruptive element of fandom that came here only to cause trouble.

The key is to recognize that and to distande yourself from that element by keeping the discussion above the belt.

[Dean Martin]

This place has been around for a bunch more years than the Mini had even been considered.


I understand that but it is the staff HERE that provided an area AWAY from the haters. Otherwise you may as well lump the forums back together and we can fight it out.

[LadyImmortal]

I think a lot of old time fans were prepared to hate the new show no matter what.

Initially I was. As of last week I was. But Sunday night I told myself - if you're going to watch the thing just to hate it then why watch it. So I went through a long process Sunday Night and Monday convincing myself I would be watching a new 'not-related-to-BG-series'. It was the ONLY way I could do it. If I watched it while thinking of the original series I would have turned it off after the first half hour.

However, I watched it keeping in mind it was a 'not related series, ignore the similar names' and was willing, when it started, to give it a chance.

tuned into the new show expecting crap and there was a lot of good and interesting ideas in there that I have not heard one die hard fan say, that was good or I liked the new looking Cylon, that was cool.

You obviously haven't read my post about the first note. I DID post some things that I liked about the new show. I haven't had time to post anything about the second night but there were actually things I liked about it too.

I STILL don't think it's Battlestar Galactica. But taken as a totally separate entity - a 'show by the same name that isn't actually the show' on it's own it was fairly tolerable for me. Then again, I actually enjoyed Waterworld and Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones so that may not say much about my tastes...

So once again, I'm asking 'staunch supporters of the mini' or even 'mild supporters of the mini' or even 'liked the mini, love the original' types to not lump every fan of the original series into the same existing mold. We're all different types. We are all passionate.

(Ps, I'm STILL upset about Boomer, that's how much I liked her... and darnit if they didn't TRY, for a few moments at least, to make Tigh likable. Not that they succeeded but they tried. Oh, and I actually got to the 'I can tolerate Starbuck' point. Not something I ever considered night one. The Viper catch was interesting - amusing but interesting).

=)

--Rhonda

[Dean Martin]

You obviously haven't read my post about the first note.

Sorrty I didn't mean die hard fans only. I am a die hard fan but liked the new one. What I meant was the HATERS of the show that are die hard fans. Was there ANYTHING they liked.?

[LadyImmortal]

But I'm just saying - watch with the lumping.

And also - give people a few days. They may not change their minds. They may HONESTLY hate everything about the new show. I hate a lot of it. But I am so seriously die-hard about the original show it took me weeks to decide to watch this and even after Sunday and Monday I almost didn't.

But I don't like the idea of bashing something I haven't seen so there we go...

Anyway - there are people who are going to hate it all. I'd have to say that's the right of anyone, just like it's your right to like it.

--Rhonda

[larocque6689]

Unless of course this area was made for an ambush...

Ted says that all the time through a number of his handles. We don't listen to Ted. And besides, it's simply not true. If you knew the people who ran ColonialFleets you'd think differently.

Please reconsider your position or I may have to rethink your sincerity.

[Dean Martin]

Please reconsider your position or I may have to rethink your sincerity.
I was making a point. You can think what you want, I'm not going to be threatened here.
I'm merely making a point that if you want this to be an rea for an ambush on fans that like the show, that is what is going to happen. Don't start talking as if I am some plant because I won't stand for it.

But I'm just saying - watch with the lumping.

There was no 'lumping' it was merely a typing error in thinking on my part.

[Starbuck]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Sorrty I didn't mean die hard fans only. I am a die hard fan but liked the new one. What I meant was the HATERS of the show that are die hard fans. Was there ANYTHING they liked.?

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Now can we all get back to expressing them without hurling insults? Oh and for the record, I love TOS, want to see a continuation, and am on the fence the about mini series. :girl:

[Micheleh]

Ok, everyone please stick to the topic. Any conduct problems can be directed to the mods. Please let us deal with it.

[larocque6689]

Dean

I post regularly at the Cylon Alliance. One of my friends there is a guy named JJ. As you know, he is no friend of the miniseries and is generally considered one of its most vociferous opponents. Guess what? He gets along just fine with miniseries supporters. He might say to HubCap Dave - or other supporters - "You're wrong, but I respect you."

Most of the members here and at CA have that attitude. "We differ in our opinions but we respect you for having your own."

That's the kind of environment that I hope we can have here. I support this forum because it means that ColonialFleets is intended for ALL Battlestar fans.

Tom and Don didn't create this place so you could look for your fantasy virtual lynching. It simply isn't going to happen. Keeping it miniseries-positive means you'll interact with like-minded people in a friendly atmosphere. As Tom is wont to say - "I'm here for fun". I hope you are too. And I hope you have fun.

[Dean Martin]

I don't thin we can. The problem is that if you declare you liked the new show, deep down the haters will resent YOU for it. I'm being attacked now, people are flying off the handle for the littlest thing. I was supposed to accept DAWG's post as a joke. Sorry but this is the written word. I didn't get it.
Laroque is questioning my SINCERITY.
I new that this would end up like this.

[Dean Martin]

Tom and Don didn't create this place so you could look for your fantasy virtual lynching. It simply isn't going to happen.

Look, I laready explained why I made that comment. You want to keep attacking me despite the fact I explained it an putting me down or WHAT>???

[larocque6689]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Look, I laready explained why I made that comment. You want to keep attacking me despite the fact I explained it an putting me down or WHAT>???

Point taken. I withdraw the remark.

[thomas7g]

Dean, I'm the one who created the new forum. I pushed for it, I toggled all the admin switches, I even typed in the name and description and all that. I did get input. I talked with Don about it. But I can tell you right now. I DID NOT CREATE IT TO AMBUSH MINISERIES FANS. :)

DUH.

Now I will say, the purpose of this website is to promote the love of the old series. And to give fans of that series a haven to avoid wars and flames.

The purpose of the new pro-mini forum is to promote the ability to love both the old show and the new one at the same time.

Now is there too much antagonism against the mini. Of course their is. The Scifi channel, Moore and mini fanatics really pushed that from the original fans. Not intentionally, but BOY did they stoke that fire! So it will take a little time to cool things down. Hito isn't online 24/7. I just got online. Its a Wednesday! This isn't my job. And I see two full pages of a list of threads with new posts. Just the LIST is two pages! I can't read it all without giving up my life.

Hito has the ability to choose who is allowed into the new pro forum. talk with him. PM him. He is a PRO miniseries supporter and has been since the project started.

And again. We aren't here to pull the rug out from under ya. We kinda are offended at that comment. I think before you accuse of any imagined crime, you really should imagine how hard it is to run a forum. :(

[thomas7g]

John. Its okay. i appreciate the support. Thank you. :)

I'm here now though. So its probably best Dean and I have a good friendly talk. :)

[Dean Martin]

I DID NOT CREATE IT TO AMBUSH MINISERIES FANS.

Dammit!!!!! I did not mean it the way you are taking it and explained it.
I NEVER SAID this place was specifically designd to ambush new fans. I was merely pointing out that in a fecetious way so that it would not turn into that.

ENOUGH is enough.

[larocque6689]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
[B]I don't thin we can. The problem is that if you declare you liked the new show, deep down the haters will resent YOU for it.

That's not true.

I've been saying for MONTH's I'm prepared to like the show and nobody has resented me for it? Well, I've gotten under Dawg's skin a few times, but that's the worst of it.

Relax, and have fun. That's what this place is for!

Out of respect for Tom and Hito, I am done with this thread.

[thomas7g]

Everyone, Thank you for all your support. Their is a box of my finest ambrosia waiting for you in the officer's lounge. ;)

:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Dean, and any mini fan who has problems with these forums, please feel free to talk with both Hito and I directly. You have our ear. Er..ears...

:wings:

[thomas7g]

its okay, Dean. Have an Ambrosia.

:beer:

I'm not angry. I said in caps that to emphasize a point.

:)

[thomas7g]

Tom btw, is relaxing reading posts. And I just watched a movie staring John Wayne as the Chinese/Mongolian Ghenghis kahn!

[Dean Martin]

ok, ok. :D

[thomas7g]

Dean, go ahead and feel free to PM me or email me about anything related to our forums. That email link on the bottom of the page goes direct to me. I don't always have email open, or I may not be on the forums, but I'll listen to whatever you have to say.

:)

[LadyImmortal]

...I wasn't overstepping any boundaries... I was just stating that I did like some aspects of the show and that I am definitely a die-hard fan of the original (to the tune of shelling out major bucks to go to Galacticon). So I was merely sticking up for the fact that not all die-hard fans are against everything in the mini. I don't consider it a conduct thing. Just an opinion thing.

Dean - I understand about not saying exactly what you mean - I've stuck my foot in my mouth so many times I wonder I don't permanently taste socks... but I hope you understand why I felt I had to say something =).

Enjoy!

--Rhonda

[Dean Martin]

This is good, I feel better now.
There was another time I came out in favor of something that others considered unpopular and some of the insults still sting to this day. I don't mind being an underdog I just don't want people to think I was here for any other reason than I am a fan.

[LadyImmortal]

...I don't ever INTENTIONALLY say something to make someone feel bad - unless they have said something that makes a friend/someone I know feel bad. I'm one of those types that staunchly stands up for friends.

Though today all bets are off. I have a fever. I've been sick for two days now. I HATE being sick.

It makes me... surly. How's that for a word? Fiesty?

I think the thing is, Dean - if you're nice to those that don't like it, they will be nice to you. (and if they aren't, they'll answer to Michele... or Tom... <G>)

--Rhonda

[Micheleh]

Exactly. :)

[dvo47p]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Unless of course this area was made for an ambush...
Nope, Deano what we did not see was the stickup. Oh it was legal, nobody got shot, no guns.
Originally posted by Dean Martin
This is good, I feel better now.
Glen A. Larson did IT to Universal Studios with lawyers. A repeat of when ABC created Galactica 1980 Glen said no until they paid him an obscene amount of money. He did this again, this time to Universal. The new series was more costly than Moore/Eick counted on. So would a series, but that is not to be. I'm not surprised, Hammer is not suprised, Universal got what it wanted, "to maintain the franchise". (Thanks to repcisg Warrior Ace)

Glen A. Larson can make a "Battlestar" movie, that's good enough for me.

SH*T I'M IN THIS FORUM! I GOT TO STOP MY BOURBON FOR LUNCH DIET.

[CrysWimmer]

Sadly, anything good is always a target for those that have no lives. Apparently, their sole purpose is to criticize the likes/dislikes of of others, rather than to find like souls and create something for what THEY like. Sad, but it's reality.

I've been reading these boards for a bit, and from what I see the moderation is appropriate and welcome, and if we just leave it to them then this will sort itself out. Remember, the folks attacking are LOOKING for your reaction. Don't give them that satisfaction. Just sit back, scan the post, and don't bother with it if it isn't something you agree with.

Otherwise, aren't we at their level? Just bashing what they're doing? I have better things to do with my time... like celebrating one of the first truly intriguing shows that I've seen in ages. THAT is what I want to talk about.

[sihirvyth2]

Most of what I've seen here is constructive criticism. I want to see a series, but there were still things I didn't like about the mini.

Maybe I just see the 'bad and the ugly' forum as a place for people who just don't like the idea of a re-imagining period, and the good forum for people who liked the show to politely suggest ways to make the series better?

[Rickyrod70]

(In Rodney King Voice)

"Can't we all just get along ?"

[Westy]

Just ignore the flames. CF is a great place, and it's better for having this forum here....but you gotta realize what's been going on for a while now...the arguments aren't a new thing. Hopefully in time this stuff will all pass, but it's not going to happen until both sides come to tolerate the other. After that happens, things will quickly calm down I hope.

If you see a post that shouldn't be here, please don't respond to it...just alert the moderators and let them handle it. You're all in the right place, I can't think of a better place actually. I think doing the adult thing is to ignore the bad posts while fandom is in this transition period :) Have patience!