Handling Grief and Loss

[thomas7g]

Sandy had a good point in a conversation we had. The pain we are going through regarding the mini is similiar to the grief people feel when they lose a loved one. Now that is not to demean those who have lost someone close, the loss of a tv show hardly compares to the lost of a other or spouse, but the stages are similiar.

its not the same, but similiar.


Stages of Grief and Loss

Stage # 1: Shock, Denial and Isolation. Shock, denial and the need to be alone are normal, biological, systemic reactions to trauma. Denial is a means to refuse to accept the reality of the traumatic event, illness or death. Denial becomes a buffer, a breathing space, to accept the alteration to our personal reality that the loss creates for us. Our need for isolation may take many forms: staying in our rooms, avoiding discussing our feelings, staying very busy, refusing to answer the phone or talk.

Stage #2: Anger. Anger is a feeling. All our feelings and emotions are given to us by our Creator. In and of themselves, they are not good or bad. They just are. It is how we choose to act or react that creates a positive or negative energy (and consequences) not only for ourselves, but for others around us.

Stage #3: Bargaining. During this stage we try to bargain with God (Creator) to change the event, influence our futures or take away the pain. If I never...God will...

Stage # 4: Depression. Symptoms include: withdrawing from friends, family, social activities, abuse of alcohol, drugs, feelings of exhaustion, sleeping long hours, and others. Our feelings are numbed, minimized, and diminished.

Stage # 5: Acceptance. This means coming to terms with our loss, the feelings associated with it, accepting the changes that have occurred, and moving on with our lives.

Stage #6: Hope. This means moving past the acceptance of the loss to finding some meaning or reason, learning or discovering the thread of meaning that ties together our past, present and future.

http://www.mormonmohawk.com/tribute/copingwithgrief.html


We've all hit the first two. And we tried in vain to bargain with our protests and our petitions. We have defiitely have hit 4. But only a few of us have really reached 5- Acceptance.

[BST]

Where there is hope...

[thomas7g]

there is fire?

:)

[jjrakman]

I think I went straight from bargaining to hope. Once Larson's speech from Galacticon was posted, I stopped caring about the mini either way. The mini really a non-issue for me now, with the hope of a Larson/DeSanto movie.

[amberstar]

Just watched the lowdown, and it made me angry all over again, and depressed too.
I voted depression, I'm still bumbed that instead of a continuation we ended up getting the shaft!!
Give me a while and I'll move to #5 or jump to #6. We still have a sliver of hope with Larson & DeSanto, knowing that will help speed the process.;)

[Dark_Man]

I just watched the lowdown thing and I'm not sure how I feel. I was screaming at the stupid tv screan like an idiot...:( When that girl playing starbuck siad all the old fans just need to deal with it I wanted to just slap her.

Whatever. I can't help but to notice that Sci-Fi has now managed to completely screw up 2 of the best sci-fi shows ever made Galactica and Farscape. All they have to do now is screw up Stargate SG-1 and I'll probibly ether go on a killing spree or just commit suicide. I'm joking, but seriously were does it end. Is nothing sacred anymore.

To make matters worse SOE has TOTALY fubared Star Wars Gallixies. Sigh I voted anger but I think I've moved on to depression in just the past 15 minutes...:( I'm going to go throw up or something. Later....

[amberstar]

Welcome to Fleets Dark Man!:bounce:
(I had the same feelings when I heard Katee say that) I hope you enjoy fleets. You won't find a better home for Galactica anywhere else!

Oh well, at least I think I have calmed down and have moved toward hope. Moore's mini is going to air, this is inevitable. Just remember that the future is unwritten, the hope of a continuation of Galactica could still become a reality! I think I'll cling to hope for now.

[jjrakman]

I can tell you one thing though, if the Larson announcement hadn't come, I would not have left the bargaining stage until I read the cancelation notice of that felgercarb.

[thomas7g]

it was good news. It waill take a long time, years, but there is some hope left. :D

[peter noble]

I think I'm on five, I've given up being the kid with his finger in the dyke, trying to stop Holland from flooding.

Peter :)

[skywalker]

I was only three years old when the orignal seires was on ABC TV and only in the past 4 years have I actualy see any epsidoes and have fallen in love with the orignal series. so there is hope becuse if some one from my genration can go hay this is realy good by seing reruns and the compleat DVD series the show is timeless. It also shows that adventuly there will be a contouition also rember Battlestar and Star Trek TOS launched Re-TV into the company it is now and Star Trek TOS got 6 films and a new series TNG so in closing it is simplay a matter of time

[Trevor Angelus]

Also the original had more kid appeal than the mini does. Not only did it have Boxey and Muffit, but it showed all the characters reaching out and careing for this young lad. Also it had a broad generation reaching sense of humor that kids could enjoy.

This new one makes no attempt and actually allienates them, killing one of many lucrative avanues of merchandise, namely action figures. They are just shooting themselves in the foot.

I have hope that we will get what we want one day. I just hope they wise up one day and give the project to Richard, he knows and understands how we feel. He will only do right for the show.

[originalsinner]

Seven or so Yahrens ago there was nothing, then came Web Sites, Comics, Richards Books, Two great Cons, Richard 2nd Coming, and forgetting Moore Mini, The Larson and Desanto Movie,.... My the lords May there be light at the end of the tunnel
Paul

[JediMasterGynac]

Welcome new friends. May you enjoy your time here with us.

Well, I was privileged enough to see a pre-release of the mini already. I'm unimpressed to say the least. I would like to give everyone something to think about though. In my humble opinion, the show does live on and is already contiued in the light that is our collective hope and dream for more. Not Moore but, more of the wonderful, endearing, heartfelt aspects of the original show. It fills me with joy knowing that there are others out there that keep hope alive!

Hope.

Never give up, never surrender!

[Belloby]

How am I handling it? I'm still damn mad.

I recently visited my local bookstore and saw an entire magazine dedicated to 2003. I immediately covered it up with another magazine so no one else would see it. I do that at every bookstore...everytime I see anything promoting the mini-series: I cover it up or hide it.

It's my silent protest.

[Commander Cain]

Being pretty new here I was very excited to find all you guys. In taking in all of this I was certainly at Hope. However, after reading Mr. Hatch's last interview, and being the 91st petition signee, I'm quite ready to accept that this won't happen. I mean 91?! I don't want to offend anyone(particularly myself), but doesn't 91 place us in the unquestioned category of "Handfull of Kooks"? No wonder noone is listening to the fans. Saddam rallied more human shields than that! Of course they all ran home when they found out what they were supporting.LOL Anyway, say it ain't so. I need a morale boost.

[Belloby]

Keep in mind, if Moore gets nasty about this we can always go "Enterprise" on him.

Visit www.trekbbs.com and peek in the Enterprise forum. You'll see what I mean.

:mad:

[Dassin]

Continuation of what? The original TV series made the mistake of having the Galactica with the Cylons close behind find Earth in the 20th Century. I was 13 or 14 when the series first aired on prime time. And even then I thought it was a mistake. I had an idea at the time was to save two shows. Since they were on different networks the Galactica wasn’t going to find Earth in the 25th Century with Buck Rogers waiting for them. But I figured one show was better then no show. Except for a few details, it was basically over. Cylons are given the location of the lost Colony (which even as an early teenager I thought was dumb, since we obviously evolved here on Earth); Cylons finish off the human race. Game over, thanks for playing. Another thing that killed it was Commander Adama taking orders from some mutant brat. Anyway, too much time has gone by and not enough people remember the show for anyone to “continue” it. The time to morn was 20 years ago. That anyone would put in a huge effort to remake Galactica is in of it’s self a tribute to the original.

[Trevor Angelus]

We don't consider G80 part of continuity. It was just ABC realizing they made a boo boo in cancelling the original so they had to bring it back. Problem was they wanted to do it cheap. How? By only having 2 of the original stars and having it take place almost entirely on earth so you don't have all those costly space effects.

This other attrocity would not have been if not for Richard Hatch's efforts to prove there was an audience for this. They took the work he had done after the hard part was over, and slapped fans in the face with it!

So don't tell us that we are "lucky" to have this piece of garbage.

[Dassin]

Well, either way my point is still valid. A gap of 20 years is too long to expect a continuation of anything. One of the goals of any project like this is not just too keep the old fans happy. But, to create new fans as well. This new Galactica was hardly garbage. It was an outstanding bit of cinema, especially when you consider it was made for TV.

[jewels]

Welcome Dassin:

Not everyone here will share your opinion, though we do like to hear it.

20 years is not too long: the original main cast is about the age that the Trek cast was when they revived Star Trek in the theatres. Most are still acting and active in the business. They've aged amazingly well. And sets were being built and casting calls being made when 9/11 spawned delays shut down Tom DeSanto and Bryan Singer's efforts at a continuation story that would have feature several of them in a way that would have brought a new generation of fans up to speed. (I know nothing of the X-men comics, but I thoroughly enjoyed everything about X-men and X2, which were other collaborations of that team.)

[Trevor Angelus]

Originally posted by Dassin
Well, either way my point is still valid. A gap of 20 years is too long to expect a continuation of anything. One of the goals of any project like this is not just too keep the old fans happy. But, to create new fans as well. This new Galactica was hardly garbage. It was an outstanding bit of cinema, especially when you consider it was made for TV.

I respect your opinion, but I'M sorry. ANYTHING with THAT much sex and that graphic of sex should be shown after midnight on Showtime or Skinimax. If I want to watch porn I'll rent a video. I don't want it in my story and I don't want it in something that used to be something the family could watch.

[Dean Martin]

How? By only having 2 of the original stars and having it take place almost entirely on earth so you don't have all those costly space effects.

Richard Hatch and Dirk benedict were asked to return and they refused because they were concerned that BGS 1980 would not have the same dedication.

[Belloby]

^ True. And look how badly 1980 suffered for it. BSG was Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict!

I always wondered why Lorne Greene agreed to 1980 myself.

[Dean Martin]

Keep in mind that Dirk DID come back though. For the 10th & last episode which is highly reagrded as not only the best BDG 1980 epsiode but better than many of the original shows.

Unfortunately I don't think even Dirk And Richard could have made BSG 1980 succeed

[Trevor Angelus]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Keep in mind that Dirk DID come back though. For the 10th & last episode which is highly reagrded as not only the best BDG 1980 epsiode but better than many of the original shows.

Unfortunately I don't think even Dirk And Richard could have made BSG 1980 succeed

I'm TOTALLY with you there Dean!:thumbsup:

[The Ninth Lord]

I voted "depression," but most of what I feel after having seen the miniseries is frustration.

I think Glen Larson said it best when he described the miniseries as sort of like discovering that your long lost daughter is a lap dancer.

[Dean Martin]

I think Glen Larson said it best when he described the miniseries as sort of like discovering that your long lost daughter is a lap dancer.

I hate to beat a dead horse but the man everyone keeps saying is Galactica's saviour is the same man that brought you Galactica 1980.
What makes you think a return is guaranteed success?

And what is "Baragaining"?

[Dawg]

Originally posted by Dean Martin
I hate to beat a dead horse but the man everyone keeps saying is Galactica's saviour is the same man that brought you Galactica 1980.
What makes you think a return is guaranteed success?

And what is "Baragaining"?

So stop beating it and think about it for a minute.

Glen Larson was not alone in the creation of G80. ABC was the driving force behind that. They wanted a cheap version of TOS; as I understand it, they mandated most of what we saw.

Mr. Larson, then, should be seen as working within the restrictions imposed on him by the network.

It's not much different than with TOS - TOS was rushed into production as a weekly series, then badgered about the budget. They didn't have the time or money to insure consistent quality in the writing or the SFX. That was nobody's fault but the network. Listen to the later part of the commentary on the DVD (during Saga); the guys address that very issue.

Glen Larson - in collaboration with Tom DeSanto (it is devoutly to be hoped) - will be able to bring us the real Battlestar Galactica. That's the saviour team for BSG.

Is that clearer?

I am
Dawg

[Dean Martin]

I guess this means you're not done with me anymore :D

He is still responsible no matter how you cut it.

[SAR Pilot]

I must add my two cents to this issue. While it is true that ST made a resurgence after 15 years, it did so on a big budget, on the big screen. And, one must admit, initial reaction to ST: The Movie, was not tremendous. That came after fans watched ST2 and subsequent films, then went back and appreciated ST1 for the imagery. ST2 was really the franchise's big return.
With BSG80 it really put a bad light on the franchise in many minds, and people have always feared that any continuation would flop like '80 did.
This was a re-imaged, darker story than TOS. Should it have been the same story retold, probably not. Did it happen anyway? Yes it did. Was I angry? Of course. But I am not a kid anymore, like when TOS first aired, and even then I thought it was too 'light' a story. The darker image is a reflection of the current darkness of the world we live in, just as TOS reflected the times it was made. Take a look around the other films and series on the big screen and TV, there is a darker side there now that 9/11 has happened.
In summary, this remake reflects the society which spawned it, and a continuation of the original in the same frame of mind and spirit simply would not be possible in this current climate.

[JSC1]

No, I think a Continuation would have succeeded in today's day and age. For our society's need for heroes if nothing else. People to aspire to, role models.

There were none in the mini.

And there will always be a need for heroes.

[Trevor Angelus]

Originally posted by JSC1
No, I think a Continuation would have succeeded in today's day and age. For our society's need for heroes if nothing else. People to aspire to, role models.

There were none in the mini.

And there will always be a need for heroes.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!

In an age where OVERLY flawed characters and apathy is abundant, we need a few shining heroes to look up to.

Face it, what kids are looking up and aspiring to now, is not heroic.

[Sci-Fi]

IMHO, a prequel to TOS would be a more viable project. In additon to fighting the Cylons, one could have stories of exploration, visiting other planets/places, as well as the home worlds. A lot more material/story lines/arcs to work with.

The mini-series has its supporters and detractors. But after waiting for 25 years, something BSG is finally back on the screen and at least I will support the mini-series and the possibility of it becoming a series. How many chances will a studio(s) take with the concept? Or will it take another 25+ years before there is another BSG revival? Studios are notorious for killing projects/concepts that "they feel" have been revisited and have failed before or haven't brought in enough profits or just broke even. There is room for both the mini-series and a continuation, especially if the story arcs and scripts are given time to be well developed this time around.

[shiningstar]

Good post JediMasterGynac

[JSC1]

Well I'm somewhere between anger and depression right now. I've bypassed bargaining.

Either way either of the two feel pretty crappy.

[Antelope]

I went from being happy when I heard about the Galactica remake project to worried when I heard about the female Starbuck to anger by the time the "lowdown" aired. I have accepted the mini on it's own merits and have found myself with hope for a mini universe series.

I hope the mini becomes the season 2 we never had. (Look on the mini-good forum on the TOS characters coming back thread). I will watch and see. I still don't like the "new" Starbuck but I didn't like the TOS Sheba the first time I met her either. I hope she grows on me and developes as a character.

[Imagination]

Originally posted by antelope526
I still don't like the "new" Starbuck but I didn't like the TOS Sheba the first time I met her either. I hope she grows on me and developes as a character. [/B]

There's someone else who doesn't like Sheba! At least, initially. Don't know why. Bad me, but I think it was her initial attitude and the combination of the long flowing hair and voice - so superficial of me, sorry, but she didn't seem like a Viper pilot to me. She just didn't seem to physically fit the role, though as a person I have absolutely nothing against her.

Me bad, I know. Ducks....

[larocque6689]

None of the female characters did much for me, except for Jane Seymour's Serina, and as the season developed, Laurette Spang's Cassiopeia. Maren Jensen was great to look at, but "Fire in Space" (one of the worst episodes of the series) was probably her best episode. God she looked great her hair covered in ash.