is my IP banned from www.cylon.org

[larocque6689]

Sandy

I walked into work this morning and got this error message when I attempted to log into the site. Please confirm that this is not something you did.

"www.cylon.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again."

If there is an IP-ban, please unban it. Thank you.

[larocque6689]

This is bordering on overkill.

[jewels]

And this is something to handle privately, methinks.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Sorry Jewels, indulge me for a moment.

Yes John, this is bordering on overkill.

First you claim that I've banned Mark Mahoney (not true) and now you claim I've banned you (also not true). You lost your access to BASESTAR, nothing more. You have the full public access granted every other member at CA. Ted (Apothis) still has full access to the public areas as well.

Until late last night, I attributed many things regarding you to basic misunderstandings. After your reactions last night, I am considering the possibility that you may not be sincere in everything you've claimed. I honestly don't know if you have or not but that thought has now crossed my mind.

I am bothered that you spent a great amount of effort in immediately attacking me but showed no concern whatsoever in determining if in fact your name had been abused for sending fake e-mails. Maybe its me, but that would have been my very first concern, especially coming so closely behind an admission by "Vince" (who I beleive to be Ted) that Mark's name was hijacked. Days ago this same situation was proven to be true in Mark's case (according to the apology by "Vince"). Yet, rather than considering it might also be true in your case, you immediate lashed out calling me paranoid and demanding an apology.

Your total lack of concern for the possibility that your identity had been swiped mystifies me. Perhaps when you stop trying to convince people that I'm "paranoid" and that I've been "blinded" by events of the past, you'll grow concerned over that possible identity theft.

- or perhaps you won't.

Either way, I'd suggest that if you are displeased by the information I've presented, you can call me out at CA. That will remove many barriers I have in disclosing information and you can hash this out as you will WITHOUT having to trash CF in the process. I am not looking for any more conflicts and really want the whole damn thing to go away, along with the troublemakers of the past (including you if you've been insincere), but it would be unwarranted to sponser CALLING YOU OUT without being fairly subjected to it myself.

You will not get an apology unless I see that my information is wrong. So far, it seems to be very strong. If it turns out that I have made a mistake, then you will get the apology.

Two-Brain

[larocque6689]

TBC: First you claim that I've banned Mark Mahoney (not true)

Incorrect. If you read my post in BASESTAR, I attributed that claim not to myself, but to Ted. Further to that, I made (albeit foolish) attempts to try to prove Ted wrong in this matter. I took your word for it. That is fairly clear if you had bothered to read the transcript in the "Mamias/Desanto" thread.

> and now you claim I've banned you (also not true).

What has happened is that my work machine cannot access Cylon.org. I have reported my error in the above post. I have stated it as a query. You're adamancy in not replying to me on this suggested to me that my suspicions were true. If I am wrong, I'm sorry Sandy. But I cannot access CA any longer from my work computer.

>I am bothered that you spent a great amount of effort in immediately attacking me but showed no concern whatsoever in determining if in fact your name had been abused for sending fake e-mails.

Sandy, you cited only two examples. The graphic at the bottom under David Eick's letter. And quoting from a letter which I have admitted sending to you. Had you cited other examples, I would have been happy to say "yes" or "no" as to whether or not I wrote them. You didn't do that.

You specifically highlighted the last letter in your graphic (uynder Eick) of which I can confirm I wrote the subject header. Since I wrote that letter, and since you were assuming that it was associated with the Collective, I assumed that you were discarding any letter sent from my employer's address as being suspicious with respect to the Collective.

As to whether someone else had stolen my handle, that was not my first concern. I looked at the letter you hightlighted, knew I wrote it, and said you were wrong to assume someone else did.

It is because of the (faulty) link between the highlighted letter and the Collective that I called you paranoid. I was not citing any other examples because you did not provide them.

You also made claims about the content of some of my other letters, namely concerning the Vince/Ted theory and legitimacy. You thought that "fake" John wrote them. I remember clearly covering these topics with you last Saturday or Sunday albeit not exactly as you remembered. In my mind, you were once again attributing "real John" with a mythical "fake John" who was purportedly an apologist for Apothis.

IOnce again I would be happy to see any and all suspicious letters to confirm my authorship.

I will no longer deal with this at CF. I would be happy to call you out at CA. I do honestly feel that a misunderstanding has taken place. My inability to view www.cylon.org today raised a concern of mine that maybe there was an IP ban in place. I have placed the technical information in the body of the first letter. I did not make an accusation (at first) but a query.

I have always felt you were fair to me, until today. I have attributed this largely to misunderstanding and human error but that's for you to decide after we thrash it out at CA which I intend to do.

Final thought - I have always been sincere with you.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I'll respond here as long as you can't access CA, although I'm at a loss to understand why you can't get in there. My only suggestion would be to log out (if you can), close the browser, open a new browser, and log back in. The only thing I've done to your account is lock out the BASESTAR access. You should have full rights. Even if you didn't, any nutcase with a browser should be able to go to the URL and read the board. You don't have to be a member or log in to ready the public areas.

I never claimed that your statements to me were false, nor did I indicate which e-mails had come from Ted. I believe I also stated that I hadn't gone through my e-mail to find all of the discrepencies.

My only claim is that e-mails from "John Larocque" came from both Canada and from Ted's location. Some of your messages in your communications seemed a bit odd. As I've said, I'm not playing detective on this. If Ted sent one "John Larocque" e-mail then all of them that make unusal requests or statements should be suspect. I was surprised to learn that you were requesting access to someone else's login. I'll admit, I didn't realize that you were the one that had made that request, as you now admit you did. That tells me you understand very, very little about my character. I would never hand over ANYONE's login info. In fact, I've told some fellow mods at other boards NOT to give me access to information because it wasn't my business.

I can't really respond to much of this without either lapsing into a "Did too! Did not!" sort of exchange or damaging Mark's recent statement about G2003 and CA leaders recognizing a full divorce and moving on in our own directions. Until I learn otherwise, I'll take his statements as sincere. I also have no desire to revisit any more Scooter or Ted antics. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore things that go on at CA, CF, or with me personally. I'm certainly not going to try to take anything to them.

With that understanding, my message is simple. I have recieved e-mails with your name from two locations. Your response about this concerns me. It doesn't show any desire to discover if you've been a victim of identity theft or if further deception has been targeted against me. Its reasonable to believe that if I have been targeted with this deception, so soon after other known identities have been hijacked, that the same game could be played with others. At best, your saying that your e-mail identity was disrupted by an intrusion at the same time you were asking me to provide you with someone else's login so you could post under that handle in a secret forum. You were set on this path by a story given to you by your intimate association with the creators of the entire Milton James Collective. Honestly, if that was MY best position, I wouldn't be leaping at someone else calling them "paranoid" or say they've been "blinded" to the truth. You wasted no time making several posts loudly proclaiming that I was over the edge, etc. It seemed to me that you were almost waiting for the chance to toss out the accusations and took it as soon as you saw an opening.


QUOTE: "You specifically highlighted the last letter in your graphic (uynder Eick) of which I can confirm I wrote the subject header. Since I wrote that letter, and since you were assuming that it was associated with the Collective, I assumed that you were discarding any letter sent from my employer's address as being suspicious with respect to the Collective."


This statement is a bit confusing to me as well. I immediately posted the screen grab to warn others not to give out information for unusual requests without knowing the real source of who they were talking to. Two-minutes later I sent you a warning e-mail to alert you that I believed your identify was being abused. Rather than show any concern for that, you responded by attacking me and demading an apology. I may have missed something in it all as I was late for a divorce recovery meeting at my church but I dont' recall making any statements that you were part of the Milton James Collective. Please indicate where I stated that.

My initial concern was that you were likely a victim. Admittedly, that concern has since pretty well left me, given the way you've acted through all of this. If your feathers are ruffled I'm not too concerned about it. I felt a timely warning was needed given what I'd discovered and I still stand by that decision. If I've made any statements that are incorrect, quote them and I'll be happy to apologize or explain them, depending on whether I'm wrong or feel my words were misinterpreted.

My apologies are sincere. I don't give them lightly. Likewise, my declarations are sincere. I don't make them without actual FACTS in front of me.

Two-Brain

[larocque6689]

If the warning message you sent me was "READ THIS" at my home account, and the pointer to the Cylon.org thread, then I definitely took it the wrong way. I was more offended in the manner in which you raised this than the implication of your thread (which now kind of concerns me, now that my initial anger has left me). I will deal with that later today.

I'll be a bit more careful later in piecing together a rseponse to this. I sometimes am careless with the facts, but I will make every attempt to address any and all issues to our mutual satisfaction.

II can't respond to it here because I'm relying on memory.

Thanks for the response.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Yes, the "Read This" was meant as a warning that I thought your identity was being abused.

As I said, I was late for a class but I thought the explaination in the thread I pointed to was obvious.

Two-Brain

[larocque6689]

Thanks, Sandy. No hard feelings. I'm back at CA and we'll pick it up from there.
later

[thomas7g]

I'm glad everything is smoothed out :D