Colonial Patch the ancent connection...

[Hito]

I found this totaly by accadent whule looking for asian geometric patterns to use in a some of my artwork.

http://www.firedragon.com/~cfleets/cf_images/cw_patch.gif

The design in the center of the Galactica flight patch is based on Indian sacred Geometry called Sri Yantra

Sri Yantra Mandala Has been used as Good Luck Sacred Geometry symbol in India , China and Tibet since many hundreds of years

http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~mikel/sriyantra/sriheader.jpeg

Edit: See attachment for SriYantra header picture.

BST

here is a paper on the history of the Sri Yantra
http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~mikel/sriyantra/sriyantra.html

here are some nice examples of the shape in use
http://alumni.cse.ucsc.edu/~mikel/sriyantra/sriart.html

http://www.sriyantras.com/image.html


Edit: See attachment for crystal sri yantras

BST

[LucianG]

Excellent find, Hito!

So in addition to Mormanism, Christianity, Islam, and Greek polythesism, Larson or one of the other creative minds behind Battlestar Galactica drew from Hindu tantric tradition. Those who complain that it was all Morman based would probably be surprised.

[peter noble]

I did know about the Mandala.

The crystal piece is an excellent find and wouldn't have looked out of place on the original show!

Well done.

Peter

[Agelastus]

The creators were nothing if not eclectic, I agree. Don't forget the Egyptian influence as well, though, in the list.

Nice mandala, I agree.

So, challenge - is there any major world religion or mythology that Larson didn't plunder for ideas?:D

[LucianG]

Agelastus is right.

I started to note the Egyptian influence, but since I was just focusing on religious conotations, I left it out. However, I was in error in doing so. Egyptian pharoahs were the personification of the Egyptian gods on Earth, and were worshipped by the people. The pyramids were their monuments, final resting places, and shrines where they were worshipped by the people, including after their deaths. The Egyptian-like ruins on Kobol should definitely qualify as a religious conotation.

One of Hito's referenced papers mentions the angles of the triangles matching those of the Great Pyramids, too. Another tie-in, however oblique.

And I also agree, I think it would have been neat to have seen that crystal on Adama's desk or at least in his possession with other important artifacts relating to either Kobol or the colonies.

[Agelastus]

Curiously enough, the pyramid connection is important in my oft mentioned, never to be finished fan-fic.

When I've finished what will be collectively known as part one "The end of the beginning" I'll probably mail it to some discerning but far to busy people for their opinion....................including you, LucianG

[Muffit]

Good find Hito!

:muffit:

[BST]

Originally posted by LucianG
Excellent find, Hito!

So in addition to Mormanism, Christianity, Islam, and Greek polythesism, Larson or one of the other creative minds behind Battlestar Galactica drew from Hindu tantric tradition. Those who complain that it was all Morman based would probably be surprised.

They just didn't "dig deep enough"!

Thanks, Hito, for the link to the art of the Sri Yantra. The examples that impressed me the most were the carving on copper plate and the crystal. They're beautiful.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

BST :)

[newt]

Wow...I just thought it was a bunch of triangles....echo "good find"!

[repcisg]

Great work!

[LordStarFyre]

Sad that this design won't be back for the Mini, however, Great Find regardless!

[jewels]

That is a really cool find. Like so many have said already: what religion didn't Larson & the design staff allude to in the elements of BSG? It certainly increases my respect for them trying to be as thorough as possible in giving us hints that the 12 Colonies were indeed our brothers & sisters across the heavens.

Great work Hito.
:warrior:

[Dawg]

Wicca.

THERE'S a religion they didn't use. :naughty:

(Frankly, I don't know if it really existed in 1978, but there you go.)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

PS - Way to go, Hito.

[Flamingo Girl]

Are you kidding? Wicca is older than Christianity.

And my take on the Egyptianess of it was that it was due to Tut fever.

[Micheleh]

Actually, "Wicca" doesn't really exist, per se. It's a catch all phrase for any belief system which existed in the world which did not survive the ascendancy of the Judeo-Christian/Muslim faith(s). (The monotheistic trinity) Most of the Eastern religions, such as Buddhism, Shinto, etc, survived through sheer number and relative (at the time) isolation. Beliefs in less populous and more expansion-targeted areas did not fare so well- Druidism, any eastern european or Nordic beliefs, Native American practices- all wiped out, to a great extent by religiously 'ordained' imperialistic expansionism. All religions equally valid, all relegated to the realm of metaphysical superstition. So it goes for the loser in any battle.

Imho.

[jjrakman]

So, challenge - is there any major world religion or mythology that Larson didn't plunder for ideas?

We had some pretty good discussions on these matters in these two threads:

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2441

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2442


Check it out!

[the3rdhuman]

That all of the mythology which was the heart of BG (IMHO) has to be stripped and replaced with eye candy and sex.

[jjrakman]

Great animation...

We look like before and after photos:thumbsup:

[jjrakman]

bump!

[DarkJedi]

Great job on the find! And I really thought it was just some random design!

Kristi
a very tired and exhausted jedi

[jjrakman]

*BUMP*

[thomas7g]

OH MAN! Excellent thread!!!! Thanks JJ!!!!!

If only Hito was still here!

[amberstar]

Great find! After all these years were still learning more about BSG. It is truly a classic.
Amber:D

[Artemis]

Originally posted by Micheleh
Actually, "Wicca" doesn't really exist, per se. It's a catch all phrase for any belief system which existed in the world which did not survive the ascendancy of the Judeo-Christian/Muslim faith(s).
Imho.

I don't really agree with this. Wicca does seem to have it's own identity separate from the other ancient belief systems. I'm not well versed on it other than having a friend that is very involved and I was a participant in a Wicca hand fastening ceremony for 2 other friends. I am not a fan of weddings and my husband and I usually skip them and just go to the reception but the hand fastening was really fun. Over the years Wicca may have incorparated many of the other Pagan beliefs systems but I don't think it is a catch all for them.

I like the Sri Yantra picture.
:colwar:

[nightscape2112]

ditto on the great find.

nightscape

[Senmut]

No witches? Hades, they had Belloby........

[AlphaAce]

That sure is an interesting find. I didn't realize that the patch had any significance other than it looked like a bunch of pyramids stuck together.

[BST]

Originally posted by Senmut
No witches? Hades, they had Belloby........

If Adama had his way, they would have addressed her as "Sorceress" Belloby instead of Siress Belloby. :LOL:

BST

[137th Gebirg]

Don't forget this one:

Edit: Please see attachment 1.

a symbol seen around the show, in particular on the Pyramid card decks and military vehicles like the LandRam, commonly referred to as the ancient Hebrew Star of David. Not as commonly known, this symbol can be broken up into other various symbols in alchemy, in particular the four classical elements:

Edit: Please see attachment 2.

...and also the Masonic Square & Compasses if you remove the two horizontal lines from the original image.

Edit: Please see attachment 3.
(Picture taken from cover of "Born In Blood" by John J. Robinson)

Edit: Please see attachment 4.

[Belloby]

Hito, you're the man! Thanks for sharing that with us.

I have wanted for years to talk to the BG costume designer to figure out where he drew all his imagery from....because it so scattered and so terrific.

Since you're on a roll Hito, can you find an answer for a question that has plagued me since 1978? What is the emblem on Adama's medallion? On DVD, you can see it a little more clearer, but I have no idea what they based it on.

Actually if anyone can find this out (I've actually been considering writing Richard Hatch to see if he knew) I'd really, really, really, really appreciate it.

[Muffit]

Welcome to Colonial Fleets, 137th Gebirg! :)
:muffit:

[137th Gebirg]

Originally posted by Muffit
Welcome to Colonial Fleets, 137th Gebirg! :)
:muffit:

Thanks very much for the kind words. They are appreciated.

[jjrakman]

This is another good one to bump up for the new folks!

[shiningstar]

Excellent find Hito ............once again Irrefutable
Proof that BSG was Inclusive of ever so many
cultures and races.

[jjrakman]

Well, here comes my periodic bumping of this thread.

[Proximo]

Oh great, the stonecutters.

:p

[shiningstar]

Good find Gebrig!

[137th Gebirg]

Originally posted by Proximo
Oh great, the stonecutters.

:p

Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do
We do
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do
We do
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do
We do
Who robs cape fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do
We dooooo!

And by the Sacred Parchment, I swear that if I reveal the secrets of the Stonecutters, may my stomach become bloated and my head be plucked of all but three hairs.

Welcome to the club, brother! You have joined the Sacred Order of the Stonecutters who, since ancient times, have split the rocks of ignorance that obscure the Light of Knowledge and Truth.

Now let's all get drunk and play ping pong!!!

Yours in Light,
Gebirg

:D

[shiningstar]

LOL Senmut! I almost forgot about Belloby! :D

[BST]

*bump*

For those who may not have seen this on its previous flyby the Fleets! :D

[Apollon]

BST, thanks. :thumbsup:

[Gemini1999]

Okay -

I know that the Galactica insignia was supposed to be of an Indian mandala, but I was watching a documentary on Atlantis this evening. This lead to some online research and I found a site that is based on a theory regarding a possible discovery of Atlantis. On the webpage, I saw this:

http://www.atlan.org/mandala.gif

They list it an an Indian mandala, but I found it interesting that it was on a site that was centered around Atlantis....

Cool, eh?

Best,
Bryan
________
Lovely Wendie (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[justjackrandom]

This lead to some online research and I found a site that is based on a theory regarding a possible discovery of Atlantis. On the webpage, I saw this

Bryan, would you post the site? I'd love to see it.

Thanks,

JJR

[Apollon]

Interesting. Bryan, I'd like to check that out too. Could you provide a link?

[Gemini1999]

Whoops!

My bad....! I forgot to follow up on this :D

Here's the link:

Atlantis - The lost continent finally found (http://www.atlan.org/)

The site also has a forum and a FAQ to check out as well.

Have fun!

Bryan
________
porn star Webcam (http://www.girlcamfriend.com/webcam/pornstars/)

[KJ]

My god, this one season series was deep! Sooo... deep in little details. And yet it was also a rushed show to boot.

Fantastic find there people.

:thumbsup:

KJ

:cool:

[shiningstar]

No witches? Hades, they had Belloby........

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
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[shiningstar]

Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do
We do
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do
We do
Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do
We do
Who robs cape fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do
We dooooo!

And by the Sacred Parchment, I swear that if I reveal the secrets of the Stonecutters, may my stomach become bloated and my head be plucked of all but three hairs.

Welcome to the club, brother! You have joined the Sacred Order of the Stonecutters who, since ancient times, have split the rocks of ignorance that obscure the Light of Knowledge and Truth.

Now let's all get drunk and play ping pong!!!

Yours in Light,
Gebirg

:D

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
Well said Gebirg
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[shiningstar]

Okay -

I know that the Galactica insignia was supposed to be of an Indian mandala, but I was watching a documentary on Atlantis this evening. This lead to some online research and I found a site that is based on a theory regarding a possible discovery of Atlantis. On the webpage, I saw this:

http://www.atlan.org/mandala.gif

They list it an an Indian mandala, but I found it interesting that it was on a site that was centered around Atlantis....

Cool, eh?

Best,
Bryan

fantastic Bryan! :thumbsup:

[shiningstar]

Whoops!

My bad....! I forgot to follow up on this :D

Here's the link:

Atlantis - The lost continent finally found (http://www.atlan.org/)

The site also has a forum and a FAQ to check out as well.

Have fun!

Bryan

Love the site Bryan Thanks. :warrior:

[justjackrandom]

After seeing this, I remembered seeing something like it in a textbook of my brother-in-laws on architecture. It seems that the Mandala represents the ancient Indian view of the cosmos (which they then used as an architectural model), which so totally explains its use as a design for the Galactica! Thanks for the great find!!!

JJR

[shiningstar]

After seeing this, I remembered seeing something like it in a textbook of my brother-in-laws on architecture. It seems that the Mandala represents the ancient Indian view of the cosmos (which they then used as an architectural model), which so totally explains its use as a design for the Galactica! Thanks for the great find!!!

JJR
I agree ..............that is an EXCELLENT find :D

[jewels]

After seeing this, I remembered seeing something like it in a textbook of my brother-in-laws on architecture. It seems that the Mandala represents the ancient Indian view of the cosmos (which they then used as an architectural model), which so totally explains its use as a design for the Galactica! Thanks for the great find!!!

JJRYou definitely added a gem to that. A mandala that represents an ancient culture's view of the cosmos, with a tie in to it's ancient architecture, plus the obvious triangles make up Egyptian pyramids association to link the 2 ancient cultures. Goodness, Dorleac did some research for those costumes!

[shiningstar]

I so agree Jewels

[TrashTrampoline]

Here's another twist, Its also used in Yoga. I know a person who does Yoga and they say its been used for focus in Yoga since forever.

[TopGun]

That's very interesting

[nextceo]

wow. that is cool.

[BST]

*bump*

For some of the new members of the Fleets family who may not have seen this thread yet.

Enjoy.

:thumbsup:

BST

:)

[TopGun]

You're a very naughty man :D

[Damocles]

Whoops!

My bad....! I forgot to follow up on this :D

Here's the link:

Atlantis - The lost continent finally found (http://www.atlan.org/)

The site also has a forum and a FAQ to check out as well.

Have fun!

Bryan

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


I enjoyed reading the science fiction!

There is no gravidic or electromagnetic evidence in the South China Sea geophysical mapping to support the contention of crustal displacement of the magnitude to sink a continent in that area.

Primary evidence for refutation is the Toba Caldera eruption hypothesis. A nice article on the same and the fact that we aren't in an ice age that thew sinking of Atllantis requires is here.

http://weiky.gl.ntu.edu.tw/introduction%20WKY/2004%20first%20Toba%20reply.pdf (http://)

Cheers! :salute:

[Kronus]

http://weiky.gl.ntu.edu.tw/introduction%20WKY/2004%20first%20Toba%20reply.pdf (http://)
I was unable to open this link. Is there another?

[Kronus]

Whoops! My bad....! I forgot to follow up on this :D
Here's the link: Atlantis - The lost continent finally found (http://www.atlan.org/) The site also has a forum and a FAQ to check out as well.
Have fun! Bryan
Very interesting site...it does cause one to think and study. Interesting points of view this site provides. Whether one would agree or disagree with their claims is besides the point...just as long as it makes you want to learn more and dig a bit deeper...then I'd say it has done its job. Good post Bryan!! :thumbsup: :colonial:

[justjackrandom]

Primary evidence for refutation is the Toba Caldera eruption hypothesis. A nice article on the same and the fact that we aren't in an ice age that thew sinking of Atllantis requires is here.

http://weiky.gl.ntu.edu.tw/introduction%20WKY/2004%20first%20Toba%20reply.pdf (http://)


Are you sure this is the article you wanted to reference?

--JJR

[TopGun]

yeah it doesn't work

[justjackrandom]

yeah it doesn't work

The link doesn't work for some reason, (I have this issue with all of your links, Damocles. Not sure why) but if you cut and paste it into the address window of a browser it will take you there.

--JJR :salute:

[SpyOne]

Yeah, cut&past should work. The link itself is trying to link to a page titled "http:///". Note the three slashes.
I don't know what's causing this, but it's easy as pie to fix when editing. In fact, below I have editied it and that version should work fine:

http://weiky.gl.ntu.edu.tw/introduction%20WKY/2004%20first%20Toba%20reply.pdf

[TopGun]

thanks

[Damocles]

An interesting article.

http://www.wac.uct.ac.za/wac4/symposia/papers/S017rmp1.pdf

I think you will find that the Toba bottleneck hypothesis is an interesting counter to the Atlantis nonsense previously noted in earlier posts. It may be an actual percursor event for our Babel myths.

D.

[justjackrandom]

An interesting article.

http://www.wac.uct.ac.za/wac4/symposia/papers/S017rmp1.pdf

I think you will find that the Toba bottleneck hypothesis is an interesting counter to the Atlantis nonsense previously noted in earlier posts. It may be an actual percursor event for our Babel myths.

D.


I've enjoyed the articles on these links. Good finds. I haven’t read through the entirety of Dr. Santos’ site in over a year, and only skimmed it when you posted your links. I do find the site to be somewhat simplistic and sensationalistic, rather than technical. I am also not overly enamored with his conclusions.

For all of that, I am not sure how either of the articles you linked to counter his hypothesis, either on the whole or in part. Indeed, they seem to add support to the foundation of some of his arguments.

I would be interested in hearing your reasoning.

--JJR :salute:

[Norsehound]

Just a quick quip;

Mythology in Galactica is one of the reasons why I loved the origional series. The strong tie to mythological elements gave the series an Epic feeling that outshone the dated feel of the series.

The new series fails in many ways, cheif among them the fact that their mythology seems akin to something cheap and plastic found at the dollar store. It's only there for sake of display, not for the main focus of the show. It's one of the reasons why I loathe it and moore so terribly.

I found the wiki article on this and lost it, but wanted to find it again but I couldn't remember the name. Thanks!

[Senmut]

An interesting article.

http://www.wac.uct.ac.za/wac4/symposia/papers/S017rmp1.pdf

I think you will find that the Toba bottleneck hypothesis is an interesting counter to the Atlantis nonsense previously noted in earlier posts. It may be an actual percursor event for our Babel myths.

D.


Dead link. There be a new one?

[Captain Chirri]

I used to love the mythology of the show and the fact that there were so many names taken from it used throughout the show.

Apollo; Athena; Adama; Lucifer; Troy, etc.

The only bones I have to pick is that nothing was used from Celtic mythology, such as Celtic Knotwork as a motif, or even used for embroidery or any other kind of decoration.

There were no Celtic names like Liam, Brandon, Morrigan, Saoirse, Finn, Moira, Catriona, or Fiona used at all.

And to call Siress Belloby a witch is an insult to all witches.

Hag, yes; witch no.

And even hags may be insulted at the comparison.

How about calling her 'Baba Yaga'? She seems the type to eat men alive in her spare time, and have a house with a pair of chicken legs to get about.

[Reaper]

there was one Viper pilot Named Killian in the show, He was killed in Gun On Ice Planet Zero

[Charybdis]

And there was Barton as well. Not sure if that means anything though...

[LZaza]

Don't forget this one:

Edit: Please see attachment 1.

a symbol seen around the show, in particular on the Pyramid card decks and military vehicles like the LandRam, commonly referred to as the ancient Hebrew Star of David. Not as commonly known, this symbol can be broken up into other various symbols in alchemy, in particular the four classical elements:

Edit: Please see attachment 2.

...and also the Masonic Square & Compasses if you remove the two horizontal lines from the original image.

Edit: Please see attachment 3.
(Picture taken from cover of "Born In Blood" by John J. Robinson)

Edit: Please see attachment 4.

So . . . Free Masonry originated on Kobol? Now that's an interesting path to explore!

[Ramses]

I would personaly hesitate to consider the Toban bottleneck Theory as evidence for anything. they used minimal sampling, and ignored other data that actualy casts doubt on the out of Africa theory. namely genetic samples that showed modern man might have arisen across the planet from the Archaic man.

recently they have discovered that some one was sailing the seas 100k years ago, but hesitate to say it was modern man. since according to modern theory Modern man was just learning to walk and use leaves at the outhouse. also in Turkey they uncovered a massive temple complex that predates the egyptians by three or four thousand years.

Crete is also turning into a treasure trove of early controversial finds pointing to much earlier advanced civilizations.

BSG was one of the reasons I got so interested in History and Archeology.

well anyway.. you folks have a good one.

[LZaza]

Yes, I was just reading about the Turkish discovery the other day. Here's a link for those who are interested.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/233844/page/1

Evidence that "Modern man" either existed concurrently or even before Neanderthal man keeps cropping up, lending credence to the ancient astronaut theories, and giving fodder to fanfiction writers across the BSG universe.:cool: