The Swarm of Pro Moore posts

[AlphaNova]

I noticed that the SciFi Galactica BBoard got battered with a slew of Pro-Moore posts last night. Obviously, this had to be a planned approach. It makes me wonder that if everything is going well with the remake, why did the Pro-Moore supporters feel the need for a show of strength/support the day before Easter?

And incidentally, Happy Easter to everyone on this board.:colwar:

[LucianG]

I caught that before bed last night, so I stayed up for a while to make a dissenting post that I copied here and to gastrof's alternate board just in case the moderators were in on the fix as well. Jewels got her response posted before I did and then we had a good group of differing opinions posted by some of our group, including AlphaNova. Good job, everyone. We need to stay alert for little pranks of this nature, and make sure they don't get away with it.

Lucian

[Scooter2000]

Originally posted by LucianG
Jewels got her response posted before I did and then we had a good group of differing opinions posted by some of our group, including AlphaNova. Good job, everyone. We need to stay alert for little pranks of this nature, and make sure they don't get away with it.

Lucian

Right on!

I caught that as well when I got home. I could crash out until I left my 2 cubits in there as well.

We should keep a cool head while posting the truth and our opinion about the mini-series.

I for one am happy that the Sci-Fi forum is finally being filtered, as long as they aren't filtering us from speaking out against the mini-series.




:warrior:

[AlphaNova]

Someone on the SciFi board speculated that perhaps it is the upcoming X-Men 2 that has them all afraid, and they feel the need to make all the pro Moore posts. It certainly doesn't seem as if they are confident the mini is going to finish production.

I also noticed that the pro Moore posts are continuing. Again, very odd for people who claim the reimagining is a done deal.:colwar:

[the3rdhuman]

There may be in fact some concern. How could Singer and DeSanto be ignored if they score with another mega blockbuster? If they want to gain back control, they certainly would have some leverage.

Lets hope this might be the reason for the silence from all parties involved, i.e. Moore camp, our insiders, etc.

Shelve the remake!

[kingfish]

This might be the time to plan one.

[peter noble]

I really don't think X2 will affect anything unfortunately.

TPTB have made their bed and now have got to lie in it.

We should rub it in at every opportunity!

Cheers,

Peter (BSG fan semi-retired)

[michaelfaries]

It should be noted: Eick/Moore's production is underway, on-schedule (and actually AHEAD of schedule) and seems to be doing fine.

What some folks at Universal have noticed, or so I'm told: The core group of people pulling for Moore's production seem to be the same folks (the same fans). But they're writing far more letters on a regular basis than fans against a remake. (And it was noted, too, that past letters aren't factoring into things. It's only based on "right now.")

Guess what? Universal (in general) doesn't seem to care: Those minding the current production have their livelihoods/careers on the line. They're doing it "their way." It's my guess that they'll be "doing other things" when the first airing flops... or popping champagne bottles saying "we told you so" when first airing ratings are strong.

Michael
:colwar:

[michaelfaries]

By the way, whenever David Eick cares to get his press release posted in May, I'm sure we'll learn how "wonderful" everything is going...

And, btw: The new Cylons. We're not getting the original designs, folks. Somewhat close, yes. But not the original designs. As BSGDAN pointed out, false advertising indeed.

Michael
:colwar:

[default]

Mr. Faries,

You have been a very standup guy over the last five months that I have known of you. I am sure you must be disappointed as must be most of the membership here. I would like to see a healing process between the fans of Moore's vision of Galactica and the fans of the original series. The bickering is unconstructive and I think respectful debates of views would be a good thing. The goal of the debate should not be to change the hearts and minds of those who favor Moore's vision but instead to find commonality with one another as fans of Battlestar Galactica. I say Battlestar Galactica is bigger than Larson's original vision or even the ones presented by DeSanto, Hatch, and Moore. Let's be a big tent fandom and welcome everyone from each side with open arms.

Sincerely,

Captain James

[Micheleh]

Good gods, turnip truck time again! That was the original approach of the Moore supporters, in case you've forgotten, and they are the ones who instigated the attacks, and spread the untruths and ill feeling!

Excuse the caps, but WE HAVE NOTHING TO MAKE UP FOR! Stop presenting it as if the neos have patiently been trying to deal with a bunch of biased cranks, because that is NOT true, and I for one am sick of hearing it.

And don't try to run that bull on Michael, of all people. He's far too canny and intelligent. He knows how it is, and is fully capable of formulating his own view without your advice. I don't suggest that you imply that he sides with you, or would side with you in your 'dissapointment'.

For godssakes, here's a quarter, go buy a new tactic! I need an aspirin.

[LordStarFyre]

"You have been a very standup guy over the last five months that I have known of you."

Yes Milty, he has, and it's REAL Nice that you clammed up like rock when your MINIONS were calling him Hitler. Not one Friggin word outta you, no Banning, NADA!

"I am sure you must be disappointed as must be most of the membership here"

Well, Milty, after your "Win at any cost" approach, you and yours successfully Snatched Galactica, and turned it into Porno Trek. I'd say Disappointed might be just a bit of an UNDERSTATEMENT! The gloating of your MINIONS isn't helping. Cork those little bastards up, then talk to me about "disappointment" OK?

"I would like to see a healing process between the fans of Moore's vision of Galactica and the fans of the original series. The bickering is unconstructive and I think respectful debates of views would be a good thing. The goal of the debate should not be to change the hearts and minds of those who favor Moore's vision but instead to find commonality with one another as fans of Battlestar Galactica"

Talk to your Minions there Sport, and look at their posts on the SFC Board. Obviously the teenagers you lured into this battle don't agree with you Milty. They are following YOUR instructions, SO IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REIN THEM IN.

Come Back when you get them in line!

"I say Battlestar Galactica is bigger than Larson's original vision or even the ones presented by DeSanto, Hatch, and Moore. Let's be a big tent fandom and welcome everyone from each side with open arms."

Gee, 'dat's be very big of youz dere Massa Milty sir. I'z sure iz happy we'z gonna be allowed in 'da big 'ol tentz witz ya'll. Now Massa Milty sir, duz dat meanz wez be servin da drinkz...

Funny, that isn't what you've been saying in your Newsletter Milty. (Psssssssssssst Beavis, I get a copy of it forwarded to me, and some of it sure don't sound like this concilitory crap you're flinging here...)

Come back when you're singing off the same Propoganda page...

Sorry Milty, I'm just sick to death of all this. Besides, whenever you've come around preaching peace before, it's always followed by a slew of your Minions charging in and raising Hell, then you disappear, saying NOTHING to them.

Why don't you go and get them on the same peace page...

[jewels]

Captain James:
Moore hijacked the name of our Battlestar and trek-ized it with humanoid cylons and Weapons coils. There is no fracking excuse other than laziness and ignorance for what he did to Starbuck and Boomer. We had ample examples of strong female roles in our show that would have needed little updating. Sorry: our universe is vast: but not vast enough for arrogance which knows no bounds.

He kissed us goodbye when he told us where to find the popcorn. May this thing rot in the film vault, never to be thought of again. Give it a new title and maybe we'd think about looking. Bait and Switch may work in politics: but it makes for a very angry viewing public on TV.
Jewels

[BST]

The goal of the debate should not be to change the hearts and minds of those who favor Moore's vision but instead to find commonality with one another as fans of Battlestar Galactica.

Nice thought, Milton,

Too bad Mr. Moore did not follow this path while writing the script. It could have saved a lot of grief, on both sides.

I, for one, find nothing in the script which could change my mind regarding the new production. You see, in order to have peace, there has to be compromise, both sides have to give a little. In the present climate, there is apparently no chance for compromise* because the re-imagining seems destined to take place.

* these are "my own personal feelings", however, I would venture to guess that there are many who would echo the same sentiment.


If the Re-imagined production were stopped and if an honest effort was made to incorporate the wishes and desires of both camps, then perhaps there could be peace. But, not until.


BST

[newt]

Originally posted by Captain James
Let's be a big tent fandom and welcome everyone from each side with open arms.


Yeah....right. You won, can't you just leave it at that, without patronizing us??

[Dawg]

He's just trying to get under our skin - ignore him.

Captain James = :upchuck:

Of course, I mean that in the nicest way! :halo:

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[LucianG]

Following some of the others, including Jewels's excellent comments, I had typed another response to Milton's drivel, but a couple of wrong keystrokes accidentally wiped it out. Now I'm even more ticked than after initially reading his "healing" process post.

Want to promote healing, Milton? Get those humongous claymores out of our backs, and stop twisting them around. We thought we were working together to try to make mutually acceptable changes, but you had them stab us in our backs, so your credibility is gone as far as I'm concerned. There are some who honestly want to see Battlestar Galactica in whatever form it is available, even if in name only, but your henchmen are another matter entirely. They keep playing games for RDM at your beck and call, but if you think we're going to let them get away with claiming how "WONDERFUL!!!" everything is to the casual viewer, forget it! There are two sides to this tale, and one of them is bitterly and utterly scorned, something we won't easily forget.

[AlphaNova]

It's curious that Milton wants a "healing process" yet at the same time has his people lining up all in a row making posts praising the Ron Moore Galactica--without ever seeing a single frame of footage. It seems beyond the realm of coincidence that at least thirteen people all decided on their own to post how much they love Ron Moore's Galactica. Milton, I've never had any direct communication with you before this, but if you really do want a healing process, then why are your people making a post-a-thon on the SciFi Board in the first place?:colwar:

[sdoziernc1]

newt wrote -

"You won, can't you just leave it at that, without patronizing us??"

Have they?

Sure, Universal/SciFi may be going ahead with the production of Moore's "vision", but have they really won? Think of what's going on right now all over the Internet - this "re-imagining" travesty is being rejected by just about ALL of the fans of the original show, who have waited 25 years to see Richard Hatch & Dirk Benedict reprise their original roles, among others in the cast. The only people who are waiting anxiously to see this production are the empty-headed followers of Moore and Milty who have been brainwashed into thinking that this is the best television production since "The Shield" or "The Sopranos". Already some in the entertainment press are aware that this is a remake and not a continuation, which is what fans of the show have wanted for years. It's already got bad buzz.

When people tune in to this production when (and if) it airs in December, a majority of them are going to be expecting to see a continuation of the original show. Instead of seeing dignity, honorable characters, respectful behavior and family values, they're going to be subjected to foul language, glowing spines, handjobs, and soft core porn - something that doesn't resemble the original in the slightest. This is not going to be a program that the family can enjoy together. People are going to realize after the first fifteen minute that this is not "Battlestar Galactica", only a cheap, politically correct, sexed-up remake, and they will tune out in droves - mark my words. I have no plans to watch the stupid thing myself.

Also, there are a lot of fan clubs in foreign countries that are watching this situation unfold. They also are universally against a remake. Imagine the negative response that Universal/SciFi is going to get when it airs overseas, in addition to the negative response that they're going to get not only from the American viewers, but from the American entertainment press, in general.

There's going to be a huge backlash from this - from the longtime fans, from the press and possibly from viewers in general if the ratings decline over the course of the two-night run of the mini (which I predict it will). And it will not go to series, given Hammer's dislike for outer-space sci-fi - witness the fate of "Farscape" and "B5: LotR". At least after the mini airs, it'll most likely be the end of this incarnation.:thumbdwn: :bash: :upchuck:

[jewels]

We may have guilted Skiffy's mods into removing the Korg anti-Qmodo posts. Can someone else confirm that thread is gone over there? They still didn't follow their policy, even so. But...

[LordStarFyre]

...but so is Qmodo's posts...

Gee How many Moore Fans does it take to moderate a bulletin board...

[jewels]

If they banned our lady, qmodo.... :rage:
Yep, we are out of there. to gastrof's board.

[Stevew]

Captain J
For what it is worth, RDM's Vision of BSG will fail plain and simple, if it is produced with his vision. RDM should not have stolen and try to capctalize on BSG. If his production is produced it should be called something else for BSG it is not
S:evil:

[adjudicator]

I totally agree, I might have watched it if it was called something else, but it seems to be Moore's way or the highway...
Well I pick the long road and I will walk it.

[kingfish]

Originally posted by Stevew
Captain J
For what it is worth, RDM's Vision of BSG will fail plain and simple, if it is produced with his vision. RDM should not have stolen and try to capctalize on BSG. If his production is produced it should be called something else for BSG it is not
S:evil:


Well said Steve. :thumbsup:

[Dawg]

Well, we've done it again, risen to Captain James’ bait. Over the past few weeks, whenever this patronizing, lying, scum-sucking.... sorry, got carried away. :(

His posts are designed to APPEAR benign but to set us off; kind of a rub-our-noses-in-it attitude. It works, too. We've been distracted, again, and there is no reason to waste our time and energy on it - or him.

Milty, the only time you show up here is when you want to get flamed so you can run back to your own board and cry how nasty and unfair those rotten retros are, but you do not have the basic courage when called upon to defend your actions and positions; it's exit stage right, tail tucked firmly between legs.

You are a coward, sir.

It's not that we are unwilling to work with the "neos" to build a broad fan base, we're unwilling to work with you, Milty, because you've proven yourself unreliable. You have lost any credibility here because of your past actions and attitudes. Until there is someone who acts as a “Neo Spokesman” who is respectful of others, there is no reason for us to even come to the table, because you will continue to show extreme disrespect for the views of others and actively sabotage any “reconciliation” efforts.

Milton “Captain” James should, therefore, be ignored. If working with the MooreRon Kindergarten is desirable at this point, let’s have a respectful member of our group approach a more respectful individual there to work with.

To our moderators: This post may stretch some of the rules a bit, and I apologize for that; if you feel it necessary you may remove or edit it. I firmly believe, however, that the point I make here is a necessary one, that this individual (whatever his alleged position elsewhere) posts on this board as a troll, only to breed dissent and anger among the regulars here. I will not dignify him with any further comment; for me, he is from this moment a non-person, a non-entity, completely beneath notice.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

P.S. I wrote this offline, and when I came online I learned that Warrior has just banned Dennis and Captain James (at least temporarily). I still think my point is important, though, so I decided to go ahead and post it.
Good move, Warrior! :thumbsup:

[Stevew]

Dawg I don't think I flamed him, just gave an opinion from someone who has 52 years experience at watching sci-fi
S:)

[Micheleh]

Besides, sometimes a challenge like that can fire the heart, stir the blood and raise the determination to righteousness, sir! (That's you, Dawg.) ;)

Anyway, as you noted, he's been banned (Capt. James), so good riddance.

[Dawg]

Thank you, Micheleh, for the kind words. :rose:

Stevew, I'm not suggesting any one person did flame him, I said that's what he came here for - so he can take our less than open-arms welcome and us it as ammunition against us.

It's a moot point, now, though, and a good thing. It's time for us to keep focused on our goal.

Long Live the real Galactica!

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[LordStarFyre]

AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!!

[Micheleh]

If we ignore the entire skiffy site, can you imagine? They'll be stuck arguing with themselves. I say we boycott *them*, lol. This is our place, let them pollute theirs.

[LordStarFyre]

But it appears it's already too late for that.

They are already here, and are quickly becoming the "Protected Class" as we, the Supporters of the REAL Galactica are being Marginalized and Villanized.

Sad, but I'm afraid with the incrementalism going on, soon being a vocal supporter of the TOS will be the grounds for banning on the SFC bboard, and elsewhere.

[Micheleh]

"But it appears it's already too late for that.

They are already here, and are quickly becoming the "Protected Class" as we, the Supporters of the REAL Galactica are being Marginalized and Villanized.

Sad, but I'm afraid with the incrementalism going on, soon being a vocal supporter of the TOS will be the grounds for banning on the SFC bboard, and elsewhere."

Give us a chance to change your mind on that- that's all I ask. We had to coordinate on the best way to deal with this.

What we've pretty much come up with is that this forum is for and about fans of the original, only Galactica. Anyone can join in as long as they aren't here to cause trouble, then if so, they will be warned, then excused. Offsite arguments will not be welcomed or tolerated here, and we ask that everyone not respond to provocation, but instead use the 'report this post' feature.