Log in

View Full Version : TwoBrainedCylon is Absolutely Right


default
April 18th, 2003, 08:48 AM
I for one cannot wait for David Eick's response to TwoBrainedCylon. I would just like to say, the level of conspiracy involved in this would mean everyone has been tricked including the actors. They are sitting in Vancouver filming a show that resembles this script with the "fake" Ron Moore helming the production. I wonder if someone should let them know they are participating in phony production. Even Don is creating effects for a phony production. My heavens, this is one fantastic conspiracy that no one in Hollywood has ever seen. I wonder if anyone is going to get paid?

Let's look at the facts of this conspiracy:

The script that is floating around is one big phony.

The website at www.scifi.com/battlestar/ was created by a hacker.

The "fake" Ron Moore fooled Michael Faries and everyone into believing he was the real Ron Moore.

The "fake" Ron Moore participated in the Q&A at battlestargalactica.com

Dreamwatch magazine interviewd the "fake" Ron Moore where he clearly says the show has been re-imagined.

AtlantiaViper must know the "fake" Ron Moore.

Trek Today interviewed the "fake" Ron Moore where he mentions fan resistance.
http://www.trektoday.com/news/020203_03.shtml

Wow!!! This is just an incredible conspiracy. I implore everyone to listen to Sandy this time and to stop fighting the production. The "real" Galactica is coming back and every press clipping is created by the "fake" Ron Moore. Wait till December and everything will be alright.

Milton

default
April 18th, 2003, 08:53 AM
Sandy,

Can you give me permission to publish all your conspiracies you have sent me online for everyone to see? I think it would be best to show why I find this latest conspiracy really funny. This time I am asking you before I publish them.

Milton

Micheleh
April 18th, 2003, 08:56 AM
I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make, but if you have an issue with Sandy, take it up with him. What are you trying to say?

jewels
April 18th, 2003, 08:57 AM
My, that was quite a spin!

ROTFLMAO

Sandy, you hit something. Or more than likely stepped in it. :rolleyes:

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 09:01 AM
I figured I'd repost this, since Milty has done such a wonderful job of proving the points I made with this...

**********************************

You, opposed to "Conspirisy Theories"?

Strange, I still as have yet to see you PUBLICLLY Apologize for the distress you cause Sandy and others by your baseless Accusations that Sandy was somehow responsible for some sort of cyber-terrorism against young Laura.

Yet, if you examine the letter you based that accusation on, the one from summoner, it was more about the childish antics of your Followers, than anything to do with cyber-terrorism. You didn't even waste a keystroke commenting on the bulk of the letter, choosing instead to use a few sentences as a springboard for a Cyber-Terrorism Witch Hunt. You even had the Authorities called in to investigate.

Yet, no apology when Sandy, as we ALL knew, was entirely Innocent. No Apology, when Indeed the ONLY person aparty to this conversation who EVER released IP information wasn't Sandy, but YOU, and that Traitorous Vermin, Vince.

Milty, Milty, Milty. While I would agree with you that sometimes Conspirisy Theories are a bit over the top, the problem is, You seem to Generate them, and bring them where-ever you go.

Do I need to bring up the vast array of conspirisy theories you used to get your Moore Fan Friends here in the first place? Those were CREATED by YOU.

Don't act now as if you are above that sort of thing. You are the best example I have seen in ALL my years in this Battle for Galactica of EXACTLY how to Create and further the most outlandish, Hateful, and Pathetic conspirisy Theories yet devised.

Seriously Milty, How can one, like you, who has yelled "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War" so many times, now act like an innocent when light is starting to fall on Conspiritorial devices being used by those you support...

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:02 AM
Jewels and Micheleh,

When you let "urban legends" fester and people believe them, they create false ideas of reality. I know kingfish already believes Sandy and his theory of conspiracies. Also, no one here has a problem dragging my name through the mud in the repost of my Star Trek commentary from my newsletter. However, when I point out fallacies to about this person without making his sexuality the issue like he does in the other thread, everyone jumps on his side.

Milton

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:06 AM
You, opposed to "Conspirisy Theories"?

Strange, I still as have yet to see you PUBLICLLY Apologize for the distress you cause Sandy and others by your baseless Accusations that Sandy was somehow responsible for some sort of cyber-terrorism against young Laura.

Where else could young Laura's IP come from? Summoner, who is associated with Sandy's website was the one who sent the threat. There is more base in reality with that theory than ones you propose.

Also if the hackers, like summoner claim they were, were interested in shutting up troublemakers, they do a poor job shutting up Andrew Fullen and SWCK.

Also summoner's theory of they how the pulled the IP off the SciFi Forum is impossible. It leaves only one place LSF and that's Sandy's place. Strange how no other Moore fan was targetted except the one who visited Sandy's place.

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 09:07 AM
Milton,

Hell no you don't have persmission to release the content of any private communications. I'm actually surprised you started asking. Normally you just post things and then lie about their meaning. Everything you've ever told me is a lie but you character should be obvious to everyone.

I have no idea why you're spun up because I asked if the internet script was the one they're using. You certainly are jumping through hoops to try to make it look like I'm some off the wall cospiracy buff. I think most realize that's not true.

I asked a question Milton. I believe they are filming a remake with actors portraying the characters named on the cast list. I'm not so confident that the leaked script is the script they're using. It may be. I simply asked the question.

You came unglued.

Once again, you seem pretty spun up when someone goes to a source other than you. You nearly jumped out of your skin to try to portray the Cylon Alliance as a nest of hackers because a few came there to talk. Now you're banging your head against the wall because I sent some simple questions to Mr. Eick rather than taking your newsletter as the source of truth.

Why is this even an issue with you Milton?

Two-Brain

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:09 AM
I must have missed something, how was she targeted. Did something happen to her computer, or her internet.. If no, then this is all based on a single email..
Talk about consiparisy theory. *sigh*

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:11 AM
I never said I opposed you going to Eick. Where is it that I say I have a problem about you e-mailing Eick? I encourage everyone to e-mail Eick. Your the one spinning it towards that even when I don't make that the issue.

I am saying your conspiracy is laughable because it would mean everyone in Hollywood was tricked. Also, why is it okay to drag my name through the mud with personal accusations about my sexuality? Those are pretty personal attacks and this group likes to dish them but not take them.

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 09:12 AM
Summoner sent a warning but Summoner said multiple times that neither I nor the Cylon Alliance was IN ANY WAY involved in this. Yet Milton has done his very best to try to pin this on me.

Everyone can draw their own conclusions as to why he's tried to hard to attach this lie to me when the person who first issued the warning has clearly said over and over that I wasn't in any way connected.

Also, your sexuality statement was a direct statement you made in your newsletter. I thought that since you openly published it, that wasn't an issue. Since I bothers you, I'll never post that again. I apologize if I misunderstood your intent of secrecy when you mentioned it in your daily newsletter.

Two-Brain

Micheleh
April 18th, 2003, 09:13 AM
It's Urban Myth, not legend. (Sorry, that bugs me.)

I'm not defending the theory. I'm just wondering why you are getting so frantic about trying to shut down all acknowledgement of it. Why the panic?

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:13 AM
I must have missed something, how was she targeted. Did something happen to her computer, or her internet.. If no, then this is all based on a single email..
Talk about consiparisy theory. *sigh*

There are more than a single e-mail from summoner regarding this thing. Even Sandy's responses about this issue are still in my e-mail box. Also Laura Nevens sent me all her correspondence about the issue from the PMs from Sandy's forum and if you allow me to reproduce them, you will see that summoner claims these people were real. At one point Sandy defends summoner in another post.

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:15 AM
I am not shutting down his right to talk to Eick. That is not the issue.

The issue is that he has several conpiracies out their about what is going on that make me laugh. Hence the sarcasm in the first response

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:15 AM
James,
Real or not, did they do anything to her computer, internet, or even her teddy bear (not meant as a slam of Laura, I don't even know if she owns one :) )
If not the point is moot, you can not accuse someone of a crime that never happened... Its called slander :)

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:16 AM
Why are you responding to them, why not let it all go and then Sandy gets his responce and you can say see I told you so... I don't understand your reaction.

Micheleh
April 18th, 2003, 09:17 AM
PS...

"Also, why is it okay to drag my name through the mud with personal accusations about my sexuality?"

See the little line saying 'report this post to a moderator?' That's what you do when that happens (when it happens). This isn't about that, btw.

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 09:17 AM
Then that makes things even more suspicious on your part, Milton. If you have all that then you can easily see the steps I took to ensure Laura wouldn't become a victim and the additional steps I took to find out who really might be behind this. That means you knew all along that I was totally innocent of this and still kept trying to point fingers at me.

Two-Brain

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:18 AM
I never said he did the crime. I just said that if something happen, he was the likely suspect. Nothing that either of them says points to anywhere else but their forum. If they acknowledge it was some prank they played, then okay. But until then, there is no credible evidence that her IP was pulled from the SciFi Forum.

All of you can e-mail the Sci Fi Forum about how they protect your IP and if you allow me to forward you the e-mail with the theory proposed by the suspect, you will have Sci Fi Forum tell you that this is impossible.

kingfish
April 18th, 2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Captain James
Jewels and Micheleh,

When you let "urban legends" fester and people believe them, they create false ideas of reality. I know kingfish already believes Sandy and his theory of conspiracies. Also, no one here has a problem dragging my name through the mud in the repost of my Star Trek commentary from my newsletter. However, when I point out fallacies to about this person without making his sexuality the issue like he does in the other thread, everyone jumps on his side.

Milton


Why are you mentioning my name?

jewels
April 18th, 2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Captain James
Where else could young Laura's IP come from? Summoner, who is associated with Sandy's website was the one who sent the threat. There is more base in reality with that theory than ones you propose.


Summoner has posted also on Dennis' subspace G2003 bbd., your own EZ board and SciFi. He's used the same Avatar on all boards that let him use it, not that that guarantees identity, but I don't hack folks IP addy's or have access to that info, so I have to go for the obvious info.

If you have an issue: I think it needs to be directed at Summoner and not at Sandy.

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:20 AM
TwoBrained, you really like to spin things your way don't you? I am not clearing you of any wrong doing because frankly I don't have enough evidence. If something happens to her computer, your forum is the likely source of her IP address. You are innonocent till proven guilty. No crime has been committed just a threat. The threat has been taken seriously especially since none of the explanations fly.

Micheleh
April 18th, 2003, 09:21 AM
All right, this is turning into a brawl. Don't make me shut this down for a timeout. Milton, take a breath and try to remember what you're trying to say. Everyone else, give him a sec.

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 09:22 AM
"Where else could young Laura's IP come from? Summoner, who is associated with Sandy's website was the one who sent the threat. There is more base in reality with that theory than ones you propose.

Also if the hackers, like summoner claim they were, were interested in shutting up troublemakers, they do a poor job shutting up Andrew Fullen and SWCK.

Also summoner's theory of they how the pulled the IP off the SciFi Forum is impossible. It leaves only one place LSF and that's Sandy's place. Strange how no other Moore fan was targetted except the one who visited Sandy's place."

Milty, not being a Hacker myself, I couldn't begin to tell you. However, YOUR OWN RULES, ON YOUR OWN BOARD, INSIST THAT SUCH THINGS BE HANDLED PRIVATELY, BEFORE BEING BROADCAST LIKE A PARROT ON CRACK ON EVERY AVAILABLE BBOARD ON THE NET.

You Violated your own rules.

Why didn't you EVEN ATTEMPT to contact Sandy BEFORE you ran about like a Retard calling him a Cyber-Terrorist, and calling up the Authorities?

Sorry Milty, your excuse doesn't wash, any more than Vince's "I didn't know how to find you".

As for SWCloneKiller, as I remember Milty, HE IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, REMEMBER? YOU INVITED HIM TO COME TO THE SFC BBOARD, REMEMBER?

As for Langy, as annoying as he may be, or was, he was mild in compairiison to the antics of many of your Followers, and in some cases, even you.

Langy NEVER said he recieved a Box of Goodies from Ron Moore. Langy has always been consistent. He also, NEVER CALLED ME A NAZI, A BRUTISH THUG, A MINDLESS ZOMBIE, and he also, NEVER declared that he was going to "Win at any Cost". EVER.

BTW MILTY, once again, you fail to address the other 98% of Summoner's Letter. Would you like me to repost it here, so you can comment on it?

OR,

Are you willing to admit that you stepped on your crank, and apologize to Sandy and the Others who were FALSELY painted by your irresponsible Accusations of Cyber-Terrorism.[QUOTE]

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:23 AM
Why you are all worked up over this. Very strange for someone who for the last 6 months rarly posted on any forum...

As for the Summoner/Sandy thing, if you accuse or connect anyones name with a possible crime it is slander... Besides you are using cercumstantional evidence to blame him.. Sad

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:25 AM
The number suspect is summoner. However the info that summoner could have pulled the info from is Sandy's site. Laura Nevens only goes to www.startrek.com, www.scifi.com, www.cylon.org, and Dennis's forum. Which one of those is likely to be the place where summoner would pull her IP. startrek.com, scifi.com all have encrypting security that makes this literally impossible. I trust Dennis and the moderators of the G2003 Forum implicitly. However Stallion Cornell stated on a thread on scifi.com challenging "Neos" to go to Cylon.Org to have our IPs checked. Laura Nevens goes to Cylon.Org and a couple of day's letter here comes this threat that they have her IP. Hmmmm... Tell me why Cylon.Org would not be the number one suspect based on her Internet activity?

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 09:27 AM
Milton,

Your claim is an outright lie and you know it. You have the e-mails and PMs showing all I did to protect Laura from such an attack. You know I did a lot behind the scenes to try to find out who might be behind this. I even offerred to shell out my own money to protect her. Summoner told you and everyone repeatedly that the info came from ICQ and IRC chat NOT from any board, yet you try to infer over and over that its the Cylon Alliance board that must be the threat.

Even based on conduct, you are the one who has played loosely with folks personal info and IPs not I.

You're deliberately lying in this to try to make this into a slander that you hope some will believe even though you know FULLY WELL that I'm not the #1 suspect. In fact, you know I'm not a suspect at all.

Two-Brain

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:27 AM
You I am not going to play with you anymore, when you have proof then you can accuss, not before...
I you call Sandy a consiparisy theorist..

Done with this...

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:28 AM
Now, why are you so upset that Sandy is emailing Eick? You have yet to ansewer why you are so animate about this?

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:30 AM
Your IRC, ICQ Chat thing doesn't work either TwoBrainedCylon. Other Neos communicate there but only she was named in the threat from summoner. None of your theories work given the facts of the whole issue. If it was an IRC, ICQ chat thing like you claim, then why not me? You hate me more than anyone and yet only Laura Nevens is named in the threat because she went to your forum. Would you like me to publish the entire record of this event?

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:32 AM
Now, why are you so upset that Sandy is emailing Eick? You have yet to ansewer why you are so animate about this?

Where does it say I am upset about him e-mailing Eick? The issue is conspiracy. E-mailing Eick is fine with me. In fact I say that more than once.

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:35 AM
Ok so if you don't care if he emails Eick, why bother at all, I have found the best way to destroy a falsehood is to let unprove it self, instead of feeding it... You know you are feeding it here, unless that is your plan.. Hmmm, no now I am see conspiracys.
All you are doing is insiting people, and I can't see any other reason behind all of this... you started this thread and you know what would happen...
Oh well, call me a conspiracy theorist to.. Have fun

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 09:36 AM
Summoner mentioned the chat thing. It was his explaination. You deliberately ignore that for some reason to try to say it must be pulled/hacked from the Cylon Alliance. Even if you did believe this (which you don't because you've been lying even though you've been holding the PMs and e-mails I sent to Laura that proved your statements were false), your forum is just as vulnerable to a hostile hacker attack to get info as mine is. Yet, you insist that it all MUST be from me.

Why is it that your finger-pointing defies everyone's explaination? Why is it that you refer to Summoner but ignore his multiple statements fully declaring that I am not in any way involved?

This isn't me spinning Milton and you know it. This is me pointing out the truth. That's why you're having such a hard time refuting it. Your lies aren't matching up.


Two-Brain

jewels
April 18th, 2003, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Captain James
I trust Dennis and the moderators of the G2003 Forum explicit.
That would be your opinion. Mine would be that Sandy would not abuse someone's IP or let others have access to them

I would contend that the IP could have been conviently grabbed off the G2003 EZboard (remember how registration was a pain in the arse, remember summoner was talking about hackers) and stored by whomsoever (aka the hacker) felt like they needed it, to expose at a convenient time.

I also have swampland for sale in the Yukon Territory. Yeeeesh.
Jewels

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:38 AM
Why her not me? There is no reason why she would standout over me as the big target. No one has yet to give a viable reason as to why only she was targetted.

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:39 AM
Your also ignoring Stallion Cornell's dare for the Neos to go to Cylon.org to have their IPs checked.

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 09:39 AM
How Exactly do you Propose Summoner got the IP info from Sandy?

You keep saying that you agree that Sandy doesn't pass this info out, so which is it then Milty?

You keep twisting away from that Key Question, as without that key element, your accusations and your Theory falls to pieces.

Summoner IS NOT a Mod on Sandy's Bboard.

So please, enlighten us, how exactly do you propose that Summoner, or the evil Hackers got that IP addy you claim they have, from Sandy's bboard?

Also, if I remember correctly, Sandy used the SAME bboard system you used, if it was so easy to extract IP info from there, could it not just as easily been extracted from your own bboard?

Sorry Milty, I don't care how convinced you are, until you share your "Evidence" you're just pissing on our Legs and trying to convince us it's raining...

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:39 AM
Perhaps something she said struck and nerve, perhaps they did not like her name.. Who knows, that reasoning is flimsy at best, but hey what every floats your boat..

default
April 18th, 2003, 09:42 AM
What about Stallion's statement? It is on record where he does state to go to Cylon.org to have your IP's checked. No other Neo will ever visit that forum especially after the threat presented by summoner and Stallion's comments. Those are facts.

If it was ezboard... then at least 60 Neos would be targetted not just one. Give me a viable theory LSF?

I will not post my theory of how summoner received the IP info because that would inflame the topic even more.

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 09:43 AM
come on a dare, you are basing this on who was threatened, a dare, and a series of emails... Sad very sad...

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 09:53 AM
Proving as to WHY or EVEN if ANYONE was targeted is Proving a negative.

You are the Accuser, it's Up to YOU to prove your Theory, it's not up to me to Disprove it, until you pony up with something besides a string of hearsay from People with an obvious Axe to Grind.

Come on Milty, if you're so Bloody convinced, it must be something more concrete than you've presented thus far, if not, you are hardly in a position to question ANYONE'S Conspirisy theories.

So Come on Milty, Out with it. Show us the Evidence. Stallion's Post is hardly Evidence that anything ACTUALLY occurred. You've provided NO proof that Sandy has done, or did ANYTHING.

Prove your Case... Come on, if you've got Evidence, out with it, or APOLOGIZE TO SANDY.

Hito
April 18th, 2003, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Captain James
The number suspect is summoner. However the info that summoner could have pulled the info from is Sandy's site. Laura Nevens only goes to www.startrek.com, www.scifi.com, www.cylon.org, and Dennis's forum. Which one of those is likely to be the place where summoner would pull her IP. startrek.com, scifi.com all have encrypting security that makes this literally impossible. I trust Dennis and the moderators of the G2003 Forum implicitly. However Stallion Cornell stated on a thread on scifi.com challenging "Neos" to go to Cylon.Org to have our IPs checked. Laura Nevens goes to Cylon.Org and a couple of day's letter here comes this threat that they have her IP. Hmmmm... Tell me why Cylon.Org would not be the number one suspect based on her Internet activity?

Milton
Sandy and Laura have worked this out between themselves.
It was not Sandy or Cylon.org that made threats it was an individual "Summoner", threats that were in all probibility all talk and little substance.
He has been delt with, and Laura & sandy are cool with each other now

I think we can let it drop...

adjudicator
April 18th, 2003, 10:03 AM
Thanks Hito, perhaps he will listen to you.

nightscape2112
April 18th, 2003, 10:10 AM
why are you worried about how sci-fi protects ip's and you published 2 ip addresses on your bboard. you never said who they were but you sure placed them in the open for all to see.

nightscape

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 10:11 AM
Hito...

Obviously Milty still harbors this accusation against Sandy, and regardless of whether or not Sandy and Laura have made peace, the Accusation, with all it's Falsehoods and Bogus elements is still out there.

Unless and Until Milty can Prove them, would it not be better to settle this properly, with a Real end, rather than having it "fade into the distance" only to have it resurfaced later.

Milty has shown, repeatedly, that unless he is called upon to Answer to things like this, he will use them to his advantage.

If he apologizes to Sandy, Publicly, he lays to rest that possibility, and he clears the air.

It's not up to us to let Milty off the Hook, it's up to Milty to remove the Hook he planted.

When that's done, then the issue can drop.

Scooter2000
April 18th, 2003, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by Captain James
Why her not me? There is no reason why she would standout over me as the big target. No one has yet to give a viable reason as to why only she was targetted.


Uh maybe it's because she is a back-stabbing troublemaker. Maybe it's because of all her slamming towards the real Galactican (not the Moorefans) in every public forum. Maybe it was her open letter to Universal that she posted on Sci-Fi (another victory dance) when she could have simply sent it by snail mail. What ever the case is, she was looking for trouble and now she cries, "I am a victim".

Now she is going around crying as if she just been ganged raped or something when in reality nothing has even happen to her.

Don’t get me wrong! I am 100% against cyber terrorism and/or DOSing anybody, but I believe this cyber threat or whatever you want to call it is pure BS.

Hacker's don't make preemptive threats, they just hack.

That would be like me making a phone call to a bank before I rob it. It’s stupid.

AlphaNova
April 18th, 2003, 11:00 AM
I've read the posts in question, and seems to me as if 2 Brained was simply asking if any changes were made to the script to make it less objectionable, especially to those, like myself, who have young children.

In terms of the cyber terror issue, I've posted elsewhere that simply by getting someone's IP address, this does not mean that you can necessarily get into their computer. Many web sites get your IP when you visit them--but how often do they get into your machine? So, to blame 2 Brained, or anyone, for their IP getting out isn't fair. I've gone to a lot of web pages, so I'm positive my IP is out there all over the place. And from what I've seen from 2 Brained's post, I would trust him with my IP anytime.

TwoBrainedCylon
April 18th, 2003, 11:07 AM
Milton,

You twisted Stallions statement, probably because it also was meant to expose something about you. Stallion remarked that you wouldn't come to the board becasue if you did, and if I were one who matched IPs, you would be exposed for using alternate handles to make the Neos seem more numerous. That was the charge, NOT that I was getting IPs to attack anyone.

Yet, like everything else connected with you, you take a slice of what was said and use it to start hurling mud, hoping some of it will stick. You did that with Stallion's statement and you did it with Summoner's e-mail. In both, you found a quote you could use to wrap inside your lies to try to slander someone.

At first, I was the cyberterrorist, then it was Summoner, and then Stallion, and now Summoner again. I'm the only mod at the Cylon Alliance but somehow you keep shouting that your concern is that Summoner will get the info. Just how will that happen?

You've spent days crying that I was after Laura while secretly holding all of the e-mails and PMs that proved beyond any doubt that your claim isn't true. Yet, you shouted that I was the danger. The fact that you're willing to frighten a young girl to gain some political advantage disgusts me. This is just a TV show after all.

Yet again, here's another incident that proves to be nothing but a long set of lies for you. The small bit of real facts are weak at best, even before you buried them in your falsehoods. NOBODY was named but a set of "young lurkers" who talk on IRC and ICQ. If you were really concerned, you would have followed up on Laura's statements that she frequenlty talks on ICQ to other young people. However, you skipped all that and failed to mention it in your "only place she visits" explaination because you know that would expose this latest set of lies.

I agree with LSF. Milton tosses out all kinds of crap and hope it sticks. Rather than focus on the issues he results to slander. More importantly, he slanders those who are themselves telling the truth and seeking the truth ... but he is a self-admitted DNC political activist.

I shouldn't have expected less.

Regardless, anyone who's heard more than five words about this knows the cyberterrorist bit is total crap no matter how many times Milton and his Neos try to toss out that false charge.

I'm more interested in why Milton went crazy because I dared to ask if the leaked script was authentic from someone who could answer the question with authority. If it is authentic, I'd still like to know what might have been changed. Maybe the remake script isn't as bad as some seem to want us to continue to believe.


I did just learn that apparently someone e-mail bombed Devin's account which is why it showed as invalid when I checked. (I'm sure that will show up in Milton's newsletter somewhere from now on). It does explain why the e-mail didn't match. It doesn't explain why he returned with a signon other than TrekLord (which someone claiming to be the SFC mods said was banned at the same time they banned Milton's "Moore Man" handle.


Two-Brain

Dennis
April 18th, 2003, 11:27 AM
You know...is there any good reason whatsoever to believe that the threat of "cyber-whoisitz" was ever anything other than the fantasy of the person who sent the original email?

IMAO, that's all it was. No one has offered anything to make it credible.

Some folks think it's important, I know, to take every precaution against every conceivable threat no matter how it may affect the rights of bystanders. As you may imagine from the slanted way in which I just put that :D, I'm not one of those people.

No one should ever have been accused of a "crime" which we have no evidence was ever planned by someone capable of carrying it out, much less actually committed. And the person who imagined this caper didn't need to have any actual access to anyone's IP in order to imagine it or allege that it might happen.

LordStarFyre
April 18th, 2003, 04:35 PM
Dennis, the point is Summoner's e-mail wasn't principlly about Cyber-terrorism. If you read it, 98% of the letter from Summoner was regarding behavior of Milton's Followers (ie calling people Nazis, etc) and letting Milton know that they had drawn attention outside the normal bboards, and even those lurkers who rarely post, yet still find that stuff more than just a tad offensive.

Summoner has a history of trying to calm the waters, so to speak, from both sides.

I dare say Summoner was trying to let Milty know that if he didn't step in and try to settle his Followers down, there might well have been people talking about how to get them to quiet down.

Laura HAS been running about Gloating, quite loudly. Statements like "We won, and you all deserved to lose, and we beat you easily" on top of everything else was hardly Stellar behavior, or keeping one's head outta the limelight.

Regardless of her behavior though, it appears Summoner was trying to stop what he saw as behavior that was indeed starting to inflame more than just a few people, from many of Milty's Followers.

Try reading the letter. Milty took 2-3 sentences, and spun it into a massive conspirisy against Laura and other Neos involving Sandy and the Retros out to Cyber Attack the poor defenceless Neos.

Clearly, that wasn't the crux of summoner's letter. That was Milty's limited interpretation of it, based solely on the 2% Milty was willing to address.

As you can see, Milty failed to address the other 98%, chosing instead to start a huge battle by cross-posting from Hell, his twisted "newsletter" rant, and his moronic postings to just about every bboard.

JediMasterGynac
April 18th, 2003, 05:29 PM
that you too have access to her IP as far as I understand. Maybe I'm wrong, but that makes you suspect too.

Just a thought.

kingfish
April 18th, 2003, 05:32 PM
This is an issue that affects ALL of us. It is important to find out what happened to prevent it in the future.

JediMasterGynac
April 18th, 2003, 05:57 PM
most of us have already stated that we would seek justice if this happens to any of us.

:colwar:

Hito
April 18th, 2003, 06:06 PM
This is unproductive.
I am closing it.

thomas7g
April 18th, 2003, 07:10 PM
Just an added note:

Both sides both pro and against the new production would be better off not wasting their energies fighting each other. So lets focus on the production and not each other. In the end, nothing changes from pawns fighting each other. But pawns working together en-masse can bring down the mightiest queen. :D