Why We Wont Watch

[TwoBrainedCylon]

REPOST of my SFC Post

Ron Moore, the presumably fake Michael, and the Moore fans recently seem intent on convincing the Retros to just give the RDM vision a chance. “We’ll love it” they say. Michael says that within five minutes we’ll be hooked. Ron says “isn’t it worth an evening of our time?”

I personally find this insulting.

These folks fully knew our preference. Ron even recognized the overwhelming preference for a continuation. The TrekLord poll and recent Cylon Alliance poll clearly demonstrated that at least 72% of the active fans, including the Hatch and Moore activists, want practically anything other than a remake. Statements from fans for years, petitions, letters, and internet posts all roared what the fans would watch and would support.

Ron acknowledged this but also said that HE wasn’t interested in our preferences and that HE wanted to do his own thing. He then said that if we didn’t like it, we could go get popcorn in another aisle. This isn’t propaganda. These are his own declarations. Basically, screw you, you’ll get what I want or you can lump it.

Given this choice, we opted to lump it. We decided not to watch. I contend we will have a lot of companions once average viewers who tuned in to see Battlestar Galactica because they recalled something about the show realize they’ve been duped. I also contend that most of those who wanted to see what this show was about will as quickly turn it off once they realize its based on robotic handjobs and overly flawed characters. If this procedes as planned, time will tell if I am proven right.

The insult comes from the production team telling us to take what they give us, our opting not to watch it, and then their coming to say “just try it”. I see this like a drug dealer, saying just try it. They just don’t seem to get that to “just try it” we have to reject the original source that we do like, abandon our own morals to accept their soft porn, and pretend like we like characters who are defined by serious personal problems rather than strong, “heroic” characters who face personal problems. Like the drug pusher, all they are asking us to do is abandon everything we believe and feel. All we have to do is abandon our morals and principles. Then we’ll like it.

In essence, this team tells us to accept it or go to another aisle and then tries to tell us that going to another aisle shouldn’t be a valid option.

The arrogance astounds me.

[Dawg]

"presumably fake Michael"? Who?

Remember, I'm still learning who's who around here - I'm most familiar with only one Michael. Would you please elaborate for those of us new to this?

Other than that question, TwoBrain, I agree with everything you said. Moore and the others have really come across to us badly - arrogant, so sure of their own vision that they have discounted the wishes of the majority of the BSG fanbase.

Still, I confess to a bit of morbid curiosity about the production. I have some doubt niggling at the back of my mind about that script we read - how genuine was it, considering that most of the individual scenes appear to be stolen from other films, and the fact there didn't seem to be 4 hours worth of material there? Is it possible that this was a fake script, deliberately leaked to throw us off so the actual production would be a more pleasant surprise?

Granted, there is other evidence that argues against that idea, but remember I'm the eternal optimist. :)

And why hasn't further casting been announced? There is a god-awful number of major holes there for production to be going ahead full-bore.

Of course, the only source of information I have is SciFi.com and here, so I probably don't know half what others here do.

Frustrating. :(

Anyway, keep the faith.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Dawg,

I had the same reaction. I started reading it and thought "this can't be real". I then checked with Michael Faries and basically asked how sure he was that it really was RDM that was in contact with him. He confirmed that he was certain it was. Then I ran through the possibilities of a fake script to force folks to bargain so they would come to the table with less demands. Nothing there either.

I thought "He can't be serious about this". Then the casting info came down. A female starbuck. No kidding. A female starbuck. I checked the Q&A Ron did with Michael. It matched where you compare his answers to the script: "I wanted to do something different with the Cylons." Well, that certainly happenned.

How about the designs. I had some folks check on those. Yep, those were all different as well. No! Not the designs. They answered like Gollum in TTT. "Yessssss - the desssssigns."

Crap!

Is money being spent? You can fake things to a certain extent but ...

Yes, and big money.

What's being changed?

Everything that was part of the old show. You only have icons left. Ron thinks his ideas are better and doesn't want to be "constrained" by the original show. (Sound familiar - read quotes from Neos here).

I checked. What's the RDM party line. Oh my god, the same party line is being posted by the Neos. Isn't that odd.

This can't be happenning.

The Gollum voice returns. .... "but it issssssss".

Then Ron posts a message telling me to go get popcorn in another aisle.

- but wait!!! Some execs are waking up. They're ordering rewrites. Blessed rewrites. Something that makes this into a show I can enjoy, because I do so want them to make a BSG show I can enjoy.

Then Milton helps out. The rewrites are killed.

Its this script or get out.

I look for the door. Ron, and Neos, and the Fake Michael (a new production guy) are there blocking my way.

"Just give it a chance? Its only four hours".

I'm trapped.

... and I'm mad.


Two-Brain

[Dawg]

OK, it's a new player, not "our" Michael.

*Dawg sighs in relief* :bounce:

As to the rest of it....

As upset as this makes me and as fervently as I hope that the end result of this production is something I can watch without

:upchuck:

I realize that I don't have a clue - yet - about who does what in this fight. I have a good idea about some of them - Milton, Michael, TPTB, but I don't really know anybody else and thier roles. I'm learning - I know Micheleh is involved in Galacticon with Michael, I know Titon, Stevew, and, probably, most of you-all are involved in various FX (I love Steve's work on the BSG stuff), whether or not you actually make a living at it.

So, bear with me as I learn (any basic, background-type info you'd like to share would be most welcome).

I still think it's possible to have a GOOD BSG revival. If anyone out there is really listening.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[adjudicator]

I agree with you Dawg, I think that a good revivial of BSG would be most welcome, but find myself having trouble even thinking of watching the Moore production.

[jewels]

The real killer is that the FX will rock with who is in charge (and some of our own guys working on it too) and I just can't watch if it is that Moore script. And I love space ships, especially our spaceships.... But Moore's script: if it wasn't called or pretending to be Battlestar Galactica, I could watch it as something new and enjoy my friends work (while "duck & cover"-ing for the sex-I-don't-want-to-see-scenes).
But I just can't watch the swill the man wrote. I can't abide what he did to Boomer, Starbuck or the colonies or the Cylons even!

Jewels

[Krystal]

Originally posted by jewels

But I just can't watch the swill the man wrote. I can't abide what he did to Boomer, Starbuck or the colonies or the Cylons even!


I have to agree with this, that is one of the main reasons I can't see me watching this. The story will be entirely different is they have hear the fans and present us with a great production with old and new characters, and that was true to the original Galactica. I think that isn't much to ask. :rolleyes:

Krystal :rose:

[Dawg]

I think some of us are going to have to watch it, regardless - how else will we know?

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Hito]

Dont worry
I will assume the horrendus task of watching The Big G in action rendered in full CGI glory.

Too bad the rest of you will miss it tho cuz It's gonna be a real treat to see new combat footage that hasnt been recycled a million times (in the same episode)...

[Dawg]

those repeated combat scenes were one of my biggest complaints about the original series.

Of course, if they'd been given more time and a bit more cash.....

I also intend to watch (I may as well confess that). I'm not a Neilson family so my viewing won't count (and nobody's going to call me, either).

If I go :upchuck: , though, I'll blame you. OK? :devil:

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[siress13]

N/T

[Hito]

Originally posted by Dawg
If I go :upchuck: , though, I'll blame you. OK? :devil:


I take no responsibility for the quality of the story content of the new BSG. :D

Besides you can always just tape it and fast forward through all the combersome story and jsut watch the battles.

[BSGDAN]

SciFi and Moore knew what we wanted, and they didn't care. The fact is that what we wanted would have cost money, and SciFi went with the lowest bidder (and the lowest quality). I don't care if Titon is on the effects crew, it isn't worth my four hours. Instead, I will spend four hours with the original series. At least that way, I will be getting "Battlestar Galactica" (not some idiot's SciFi porn fantasy).

Dan

[Micheleh]

I won't watch. One, there is too much deception involved- bad karma. Two, I'm really sick of seeing projects that have great FX and a negligible, weak, or badly done story. Most writers today are weak, or lazy- they know they have the crutch of the FX to get by on. Three, I can't watch on principle. It would be, to me, like selling out. I can't do it. It would be like protesting a Supermart because it ruined my town and put all the little shops out of business, but then I showed up for the Grand Opening just in case there were any good deals. Not!

[CylonLucifer]

If that's the case, then I really have no interest in this production. Whether I watch or not will make no difference, not being a Nielsen household, but I have written and will continue to write Universal (and SciFi at times) expressing my disappointment at their choice to go ahead with this non-Battlestar Galactica mini. I, too, enjoy good CGI but that's not the only thing I look for in a show. I like a good plot and character development in what I watch. This is one reason I don't like or watch any of the so-called reality shows (Frontal Lobotomy TV). I'm older than a lot of the BSG fans (52) and might be said to be -set in my ways- but I won't be insulted and then asked to "Give it a try".
The perceived (by me) attitudes of those connected with this production are those of "I know what's good and what's best so you'll take what I give you and like it". I'm sorry but I don't think it's good. It's not best for me. And I don't have to take anything, nor do I have to like it. I have a VCR and a DVD player, as well as cable so I have a choice as to what I will watch.
I choose NOT to watch this, thank you very much.

[kingfish]

Originally posted by Hito
Dont worry
I will assume the horrendus task of watching The Big G in action rendered in full CGI glory.

Too bad the rest of you will miss it tho cuz It's gonna be a real treat to see new combat footage that hasnt been recycled a million times (in the same episode)...


I loved the recycled combat footage and can still watch it a million times. Many complained about the recycled Viper launches which were repeated. I love those as well.

Paul

"Launch all vipers"-Adama- In The Hand of God.