The remake will fail, it's that simple...

[BSGDAN]

While I appreciate Stallion's uncovering of the truth about Milton James (which I do believe 110% that he's working on the set, probably as a coffee fetcher), I do think this is getting pretty silly. We can sit here and argue about this whole thing over and over again, but it will not change anything. Moore's project was given the go-ahead because of underhanded tactics used by Moore and his minions. Some idiot US Senator (I wish I could be more specific, but they all fall into that category) was duped into writing a letter of support for it. And the postings of a raving lunatic were used to paint all continuation fans as being insane. But, the most important factor to remember in all of this is the fact that Moore's project is cheaper to make than Tom DeSanto's. Cost is really all it boils down to. DeSanto knew what to do to be successful, but Universal didn't want to spend that without the support of the FOX network. When they had to go at it on their own, it became a case of opting for the lowest bidder. I don't care what Moore, Eick, or anyone else says about it's budget, the script doesn't lie-it's a cheap production. Why else would anyone choose humanoid Cylons over the chrome designs that everyone loved in the original? Because it's cheaper to say that person is a Cylon than it is to built those suits. The fact that the Colonials shy away from technology is another excuse for cheapness. Hell, before this is over, they will probably be using bullitts instead of lasers! In any case, fans of the original series won't support this piece of crap, and casual scifi viewers certainly won't go for it either. Face it, if "Firefly" couldn't bring them in, what chance does Ron Moore?
If a twenty-something viewer wants to see someone giving another a handjob, they can always turn on Skinemax or the Ten Channel. I doubt that the SciFi Channel will be their first choice for T&A. As for Moore supporters, there aren't enough of them to make a difference. Hell, supporters of JMS by far outnumber those for Ron Moore, but they couldn't make "Legend of the Rangers" a success big enough for Bonnie Hammer to greenlight a series. And not even Joss Whedon's fanbase would support "Firefly". There's no doubt in my mind that this miniseries will come in like a lion, and leave like a lamb. It's first hour's ratings will be somewhat strong (at least for SciFi's standards), but the second hour will be less. The second night's ratings will be even smaller than that, and (in the end) it will be a failure. SciFi will then turn their attention to promoting their (laughable) remake of "The Thing" (like anyone will ever forget John Carpenter's version). Perhaps then someone will have the brains and guts to bring back the real "Battlestar Galactica". In other words, Ron Moore's is the equivallant of New Coke. It won't take long for it to be pulled from the shelf! On the other hand, there will always be demand for the real thing...

[Hito]

Originally posted by BSGDAN
As for Moore supporters, there aren't enough of them to make a difference. Hell, supporters of JMS by far outnumber those for Ron Moore, but they couldn't make "Legend of the Rangers" a success big enough for Bonnie Hammer to greenlight a series. And not even Joss Whedon's fanbase would support "Firefly".


Tho I am sure B5 boasts a large loyal fanbase, I doubt it is as large or influencial as the overall Trek fanbase but i do think that they might be likly to enjoy the new galactica.
I doubt however that the TNG or VOY fans would be interested in a Space battles show like BSG, so it is likly that the so called "Moore-Supporting" fanbase is only coming from DS9 which is considered the black sheep of the trek franchise.

The fanbase for a show like Buffy and Angel might not be so ap to go for a sci fi story like firefly. Plus FF was a bit more mature storywise than those 2 shows but i think that FF fans might be more likly to give the new bsg a chance as well.

Andromeda fans i'm sure would also be interested in watching and had it not been for the cancelation of Farscape they too might have thrown there viewership into the pot.


Originally posted by BSGDAN

There's no doubt in my mind that this miniseries will come in like a lion, and leave like a lamb.

i actually agree with this just becasue of what has happned to quality sci-fi shows in the last few years.
I dont think it will be becasue of the quality of the show however but the quality of viewership.

[Dawg]

I dont think it will be becasue of the quality of the show however but the quality of viewership

I beg your pardon, Hito?

I trust you are referring to the new, young, impatient "MTV generation" that is all about appearance and no substance.

I'd hate to think you were referring to us.

:devil: (supposed to be the devil smilie) ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[BSGDAN]

...as if Ron Moore was a big part of it? From what i've seen, he didn't really do much with it. He certainly didn't create the thing. At best, he was just a hired gun (just like on TNG). His "creative" talents are still seriously suspect.
As for the massive TREK fanbase, where are they at 8pm on Wednesday nights? I know that i'm tuned into UPN, but where is everyone else? And where were they during the month of December of 2002? While I was watching "Nemesis", they were watching "The Two Towers". If the Trekkies can't even support TREK, why would they come out to support a hack like Ron Moore? Just because he wrote some good episodes of TREK many years ago? Where were they when he was working on "Roswell"?

Dan

PS It's spelled "boy", not "boi".

[kingfish]

If the new show faills I have the feeling that will spell the end of Galactica. This may also be the point that has many of the fans up in arms.

[Erzengel]

If this fails then I think TPTB might point to the fanbase as the reason for failure and sweep BSG into some closet never to be heard form again..

[Hito]

Originally posted by Dawg
I beg your pardon, Hito?

I trust you are referring to the new, young, impatient "MTV generation" that is all about appearance and no substance.

I'd hate to think you were referring to us.

:devil: (supposed to be the devil smilie) ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Actually thats who i ment yeah.
The kind with no patience for an involved multipart story ark.

[Hito]

Originally posted by BSGDAN
...as if Ron Moore was a big part of it?

Mostly the dominion war stuff.

Originally posted by BSGDAN
From what i've seen, he didn't really do much with it.

Look closer

Originally posted by BSGDAN
He certainly didn't create the thing.

Neither Did DeSanto or Richard hatch create BSG
Do u want them or do u want Larson?

Originally posted by BSGDAN
At best, he was just a hired gun (just like on TNG).

You've just described 100% of the writers in the busness

Originally posted by BSGDAN
His "creative" talents are still seriously suspect.

Thats your opinion and u are welcom to it.
Again no more suspect than DeSanto's.
Hatch has at least created The MAgellin thing.




Originally posted by BSGDAN
As for the massive TREK fanbase, where are they at 8pm on Wednesday nights? I know that i'm tuned into UPN, but where is everyone else? And where were they during the month of December of 2002? While I was watching "Nemesis", they were watching "The Two Towers". If the Trekkies can't even support TREK, why would they come out to support a hack like Ron Moore? Just because he wrote some good episodes of TREK many years ago? Where were they when he was working on "Roswell"?

Just goes to show how un-monolithic trek fans are.
A majority of them are fans of one particular show.
ST:TOS fans like myself might have enjoyed & TNG, DS9 but real the real deal was always Kirk & Co.
Same for the NEOtrekkers with TNG and so on.



Originally posted by BSGDAN
PS It's spelled "boy", not "boi".


Tell me how to express my love for Kelly again and I'll break your arms...
I am her BOI!
Got it?
Good...

[Dawg]

Yeah, Hito - no patience, short attention span.

Kingfish, Erzengel, as much of a blow as this "movie" (or whatever it is) might turn out to be, Galactica will not die unless those of us who are true fans walk away.

If this thing fails miserably, TPTB can't lay it at our doorstep, because we've been saying all along it won't work.

We should get credit for being right, then, don't you think?

BTW - I watch Enterprise, too, Dan. It's still rough in places, but I'm willing to give it into Season Two before I give up on it. ;) And, IMHO, Nemesis was a little weak - certainly not bad, but a little weak.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Hito]

Originally posted by Dawg
Yeah, Hito - no patience, short attention span.

Kingfish, Erzengel, as much of a blow as this "movie" (or whatever it is) might turn out to be, Galactica will not die unless those of us who are true fans walk away.

If this thing fails miserably, TPTB can't lay it at our doorstep, because we've been saying all along it won't work.

We should get credit for being right, then, don't you think?

BTW - I watch Enterprise, too, Dan. It's still rough in places, but I'm willing to give it into Season Two before I give up on it. ;) And, IMHO, Nemesis was a little weak - certainly not bad, but a little weak.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

I watched Enterprise for about a season before i gave up.
If it were a new series i'd have given it longer but with all the experience they've gained since TNG they should be putting out a product that is way ahead of enterprise.

[adjudicator]

I am a Star Trek fan, in fact I run a chapter of the Starfleet fan club, but I will not be tuning into the reimaging of BG, simple because I can't stand how they have changed some of my heros from my childhood. I used to watch BG with my Dad and we both loved the show. Now, I am planing on having children with my wife but can't pass on the experience of watching BG on Sfi because I would not let my children watch it. I will have to try and find the old stuff and rewatch that with them and tell them that sorry we can't watch the new show because someone decided to turn it into a retrospective on what not to do in a family unit and how to get into someones pants.
Sorry that might be what the teenagers want, but it is not what I want as a fan of BG.

[BSGDAN]

quote:Originally posted by BSGDAN
PS It's spelled "boy", not "boi".

quote from Hito:
Tell me how to express my love for Kelly again and I'll break your arms...
I am her BOI!
Got it?
Good...


I'm sure that misspelling the word "boy" is the way to her heart!

[LordStarFyre]

...At least he didn't tell you that you were super glued to someone's Jock

[Micheleh]

Oy. :rolleyes:

(And that's 'oy', not 'oi', btw.) ;)