AV Declares the Format

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Atlantia Viper (in a private conversation with Milton) apparently identified the format as a prequel. They're arguing against it on Milton's board.

Not confirming anything but remember that AV has been a propoganda source for the Neos and Michael has warned that false info would be put forward to discover who was leaking info so don't take this as confirmation.

Two-Brain

[Hito]

AtlantaViper is a member here as well.
I'd be nice to see this confirmed.

[GuitarEC]

In my opinion they can chose any format as long it doesn't erase the original.
What i don't understand is where did those RDM fans got the idea that the Fans of BSG want it to be made like in the 70´s.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

Lusitan,

Its called propoganda. When you tell the same people things over and over and they keep using statements like that as "support" for why anything other than an RDM remake will fail, then you're either dealing with someone who isn't sincere.

I discussed this over there and suddenly all of the reasons we should accept the RDM remake no longer apply now that they've realized there is a change.

Two-Brain

[kingfish]

I have been discussing Galactica there as well.

[Titon]

Just hold on people, soon you will know.

:)

Don't fall into with what these people state, it's just another revolving door of falsehoods

:)

Keep the faith!

[peter noble]

Originally posted by TwoBrainedCylon
Atlantia Viper (in a private conversation with Milton) apparently identified the format as a prequel. They're arguing against it on Milton's board.

Not confirming anything but remember that AV has been a propoganda source for the Neos and Michael has warned that false info would be put forward to discover who was leaking info so don't take this as confirmation.

Two-Brain

I've added my two cents to the argument over there Two Brain. But I'm extremely cautious when it comes to anything AV says. I'll wait till I read something from an official source.

Peter

[thomas7g]

2Brain- Need links!!!! ;)

I actually am glad for any source of info. So I welcome AtlantiaViper to the board. Though of course I think ANY bit of info (from anyone) has to be treated as unconfrimed until we have confrimation.

Everybody puts a "spin" on their posts. :D

[TwoBrainedCylon]

No links buddy. Just Milton reporting to the Neos that AV said it was a prequel. How's that for a shakey foundation. BSGBH was on my ass to confirm (which I'm not doing) and also to defend it. BSGBH's panties are again in an uproar and has practically got the entire new story laid out and an entire series of "facts" as to why it will be a total failure.

I bailed before the arguing really kicked off.

Titon,

Are you smiling and dancing as well?

Two-Brain

[thomas7g]

OPh and... I followed the info trail back to the original post about this.

There isn't any info here that we don't already know. And its heresay, so I wouldn't put much stock in it. Lets not be eager to jump at every rumor. Or be so fearful of conspiracies that we see them in the shadows.

also the posts says to go HERE to 3dg. But we give ample time to people who are against Hammer's vision. That seems contradictory to AtlantiaViper's interests (If AV is indeed a Hammer employee)

[default]

AV made the comments yesterday on alt.battlestar-galactica newsgroup. The thread to look for the message is "Re: Petition not to RE-IMAGE Original Series....and boycotting a new BSG". AtlantiaViper made a post which I requoted on the forum. Here is post once again which does not say prequel but says to read between the lines. The only talk has been prequel by Michael Faries so I am sure it is a prequel but I will wait for the official announcement. AV has been right in the newsgroup in previous post so I do not doubt he is right this time.

----- Original Message -----
From: "AtlantiaViper" <noone@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups: alt.battlestar-galactica
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Petition not to RE-IMAGE Original Series....and boycotting a new BSG


>Mr Dewsons <sg_defeRMEOVEnder_1@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:sg_defeRMEOVEnder_1->1C31BF.11122603032003@news.iprimus.com.au:
>
>This boycott thing is doomed to laughably fail, you know that don't
>you?
>
>No offence intended.



Actually the amount of fan pressure has made a critical change. Remember the ones in charge are arrogant and stubborn, but THEIR bosses are dealing with corporate bankrupcy. Having a lone gun who is creating a tremendous amount of ill will to create their own version of Galactica is finally creating a backlash.

Look on the scifi.com and 3dgladiators.com sites for more info. People in
the know can't openly spill the beans for fear of legal action. But if you
look diligently you can piece the info together.

"To try risks failure, but to not try at all assures defeat."

[thomas7g]

something don't sound right.....

[default]

Correct warrior which is bsgbountyhunter is a little upset because he is very outspoken about Enterprise under his Trek handle at the Paramount forum. So it doesn't surprise me that he would be so adament against prequel because that is consistent in his nature.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

For what its worth, AV doesn't say prequel and I'm not saying that either, but this post concurs with what I know (which isn't everything). I'd believe AV on this one.

Thanks Milton.

Two-Brain

[kingfish]

A proper prequel should honor TOS Galactica in the same way Smallville honored the original Superman when Christopher Reeve starred in it a few weeks ago. It made me proud.. very proud.

[Titon]

Dancing? You obviously haven't seen me cut a rug, it ain't pretty!

These same people have been expressing there views for months and nothing has ever come to be. Take a good long look at who's here at Colonial Fleets and who has come and gone.

People it's very simple, just keep the faith.

Oh by the way, remember guys like Havoc? Where-o-where have they gone.

;)

[peter noble]

I've got faith. And I'm five by five! ;)

After all, faith can move mountains!

Peter

[BST]

BSGBH's panties are again in an uproar and has practically got the entire new story laid out and an entire series of "facts" as to why it will be a total failure.

Isn't it interesting how, at the other forum, they argue profusely about 'something that never was ' while we so-called 'evil ones' are vilified for arguing about not destroying 'something that was'. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, some members of that forum are resorting to putting down the "as yet unconfirmed retooling-to-be-a-prequel", just because they are not getting their way.

I do admit that there are some, at the other forum, who are willing to compromise. They are the enlightened ones. They realize that only by reaching out to TOS proponents (I hate the 'Retro' tag) and seeing both groups compromise, will the franchise have the best chance of success and survival.

Oh well, I'll keep watching, keep listening and most importantly, keep the faith!!

BST

[the3rdhuman]

Award winning writers should be able to pen something equally as "compelling" when the suits change the direction a bit, right?

It's never been about Galactica the RDM supporters, it's more like a re-invented Star Trek. And if they won't watch it, fine. There are enough Galactica fans already out there.

[jewels]

Originally posted by peter noble
I've got faith. And I'm five by five! ;)

After all, faith can move mountains!

Peter

Even if we've had to move it (the mountain) a molecule at a time, right?
*envisions mountain leaping into Pacific off the coast of Catalina*
When the mountain moves, do watch out for the water displacement which may occur.
:z:

[oldwardaggit]

I have no feeling in my left toe.

OWD

[Stevew]

Good point Don I was wondering what happened to our boy Havoc. Do you think there will ever be a time that everybody here will fess up to who they really are and what they do? You see folks post under these handles and not their real names. I understand for some it in necessary
but I think it would be nice to know who people are. Many here use their names here but at the other bd people are just so criptic. I don't know about anybody else but for me it is WYSIWYG :D
Steve:) :D :)

[crash4587]

Originally posted by Stevew
Good point Don I was wondering what happened to our boy Havoc. Do you think there will ever be a time that everybody here will fess up to who they really are and what they do? You see folks post under these handles and not their real names. I understand for some it in necessary
but I think it would be nice to know who people are. Many here use their names here but at the other bd people are just so criptic. I don't know about anybody else but for me it is WYSIWYG :D
Steve:) :D :) I have Havioc's E-mail address, I think he is who he say's he is. I can invite him back. Allthough I don't agree with him, he is fair .

[michaelfaries]

I don't think that "retro" or "neo" tag will exist much longer. ;) We're all Galacticans. With what's developing, that term is reinforced. I don't see a mass fragmenting as before.

Michael
:colwar:

[michaelfaries]

Originally posted by thomas7g
I actually am glad for any source of info. So I welcome AtlantiaViper to the board. Though of course I think ANY bit of info (from anyone) has to be treated as unconfrimed until we have confirmation.

Everybody puts a "spin" on their posts. :D
Considering the source of AV's information, the Moore you read, the Moore you get.

Michael
:colwar:

[michaelfaries]

Originally posted by kingfish
A proper prequel should honor TOS Galactica in the same way Smallville honored the original Superman when Christopher Reeve starred in it a few weeks ago. It made me proud.. very proud.
Well said, Paul. And oh-so-true.

Michael
:colwar:

[default]

Might be off-topic but I watched Sci-Fi's Dune showings today and saw a teaser for "Battlestar Galactica". There was just a red blimp moving side-to-side then a bump of red blips that morphed into the title with the sub-head Coming December 2003. There was also a promotion for Sci-Fi productions and forthcoming showings and Battlestar was included. All that was seen of BSG besides the title was an close up of a Centurian clearly taken from the original show.

FWIW. After watching Dune and Children of Dune, I'm presuming the budgets between the shows will be similar. I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the special effects compared to the original. I haven't seen Firefly (yet) so perhaps it's a factor of effects houses that made the Dunes look as painfully cheesy at times as TOS yet worse given the close to thirty-five(!) year gap in production and technologies. I wouldn't overall be disappointed if Galactica got an 'epic' treatment along the lines of the Dune mini-series which I found overall enjoyable having neither seen the motion picture nor read the novels.

[kingfish]

Many believe that if and I say if it is a prequel the same sets, costumes, daggits, and ect will be used. Enterprise is a prequel of sorts and the effects, costumes, and so on are much different than TOS Trek.

[Stevew]

Crash
He seemed to be so involved and then nada. Last time he left he let people know. Just curious
S:D

[DaveC001]

Any word on a timeframe for when this radical new change will be announced?

[michaelfaries]

I think you might see changes start to appear via the BG page at SCI-FI around March 25th for starters. I'm not wagering on it, though, as I don't know what the priorities are for various people. The web site may be a low priority.

Personally, I don't expect the radical changes to get a lot of coverage with the public. It's an internal matter being worked on. I have hopes we'll hear hints this week, but I'll go back to my original statement when I said we'll learn more within a month or so. (That puts it in the April 2003 timeframe.)

Michael
:colwar:

[kingfish]

I read that they showed a teaser of the new Galactica during the Children of Dune mini. I didn't watch so I can't confirm it.

[michaelfaries]

Originally posted by dru
FWIW. After watching Dune and Children of Dune, I'm presuming the budgets between the shows will be similar. I'm not exactly overwhelmed by the special effects compared to the original. I haven't seen Firefly (yet) so perhaps it's a factor of effects houses that made the Dunes look as painfully cheesy at times as TOS yet worse given the close to thirty-five(!) year gap in production and technologies. I wouldn't overall be disappointed if Galactica got an 'epic' treatment along the lines of the Dune mini-series which I found overall enjoyable having neither seen the motion picture nor read the novels.
I have a very very good feeling we won't be disappointed with the special effects.

Michael
:colwar:

[michaelfaries]

Originally posted by kingfish
I read that they showed a teaser of the new Galactica during the Children of Dune mini. I didn't watch so I can't confirm it.
I was surprised to hear "December 2003" mentioned within the promo. I figure the air date is February 2004 at this point. (Due to Nielsen sweeps week in the U.S. and all.)

To our fellow U.K. and Canadian fans: Whether it's SPACE: The Imagination Station or SCI-FI Channel U.K., have you seen "Children of Dune" or other shows with any BG promos? (Apologies to those fans here from Brazil, Korea, Germany and Down Under. I'm not sure what SCI-FI programming exists, if any.)

Michael
:colwar:

[GalacticanCajun]

Until there is some official announcement, everything is just conjecture at this point.:confused:

[michaelfaries]

Regarding official announcements: They are likely due during the first week of April. No firm dates, but that's the best I could get. (That's from two sources.) Stay tuned. Then the general BG discussions ought to get VERY interesting. :)

Michael
:colwar:

[michaelfaries]

Btw, just remember: It was April 2, 2002 when we were delivered the surprise news about the Ronald D. Moore/David Eick/SCI-FI Channel "re-imagining" (remake) production.

Karma, baby. Karma.

Michael
:colwar:

[kingfish]

Originally posted by michaelfaries
Regarding official announcements: They are likely due during the first week of April. No firm dates, but that's the best I could get. (That's from two sources.) Stay tuned. Then the general BG discussions ought to get VERY interesting. :)

Michael
:colwar:

March 31st is the Galactica 1980 marathon #2 which I will be taping. I will watch and see if they show any commercials for the mini.

:D

[kingfish]

It would appear that AV's statement has been retracted according to Captain Milton.

[GalacticanCajun]

Originally posted by kingfish
It would appear that AV's statement has been retracted according to Captain Milton.

Are you surprised?:uhdrop:

[kingfish]

Until Michael posts something all the rest is pure speculation.

[peter noble]

Originally posted by kingfish
It would appear that AV's statement has been retracted according to Captain Milton.

So someone has outspun the spin doctor!

I like the karmic symetry of that.

Peter

[oldwardaggit]

Well, speaking as a Canadian, I don't watch the space channel much any more because they are stuck on newer shows that get cancelled after one season and I would rather watch a variety. Our mystery channel has some better sci fi then space with the exception of Farscape. Farscape is one of the few reasons why I still watch space every once and a while.

We are getting children of dune some time at the end of this month I think.
I taped the sci fi's version of dune and it wasn't bad. I guess if I read the book, I might like it better but the original movie had so much feeling with that awesome soundtrack (A show or movie is most often only as good as it's soundtrack that sets the mood) so I would have to prefer the original movie.

On the space channel we have a short news show called Hyperspace and it is a full version on the weekend. The host speaks his mind and I seem to remember him not thinking too much of starbuck becoming a girl. He can get pretty sarcastic at times like the time it was reported that M&M was in the running for the new super man role.

The last time I watched this show, he was getting into this new age seated thing that played music. As he got in, he said something like. (this is cool because I feel like I'm getting into a viper on Battlestar Galactica) Ya baby, the fans are every where.

If they say anything about the new Galactica, I will post it but until then, can someone record that commercial on sci fi for the new Galactica and put it on the net?
OWD

[dvo47p]

Originally posted by oldwardaggit
I have no feeling in my left toe.OWD

[Erzengel]

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me."
--- General George S. Patton

Speaking of the french...

[Apothis]

Apparently Milton was duped into believing it was the real AV on usenet. He should have checked his sources before posting.

[dvo47p]

Speaking as an 'American' I don't watch much of the Scifi Channel anymore, after Farscape ends unfinished, my contempt for Scifi only grows. The only 'not' cheap show is Stargate a show that does very well without exploding Cylon hookers & a sexy spy in Baltar's head, go figure?

I'm taping The Children of Dune & plan on watching all six hours on one evening, So I’m a cheap date. At work two women were disappointed by the first two hours.


OWD this is all I found the BSG lite site: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ I didn't know Scifi had an ad out for BSG lite.


Amazon.com is jumping the gun, I'll never buy or rent 'The Scifi Channel's' "The Children of Dune"

"another blockbuster event on the Sci Fi Channel" Dune was the only hit from Scifi, so far.

Dear Amazon.com Customer,

The story begun in Frank Herbert's Dune continues in another blockbuster event on the Sci Fi Channel with Children of Dune, adapted from the novels by Frank Herbert. This exciting new series begins Sunday, March 16, 9 p.m. ET/PT, only on the Sci Fi Channel--and Amazon.com has a trailer, photos, and series information for you.

Children of Dune picks up where the Emmy Award-winning Frank Herbert's Dune left off, 12 years after Paul Atreides--also known as Muad'Dib--tentatively preserved peace between his people, the Freman, and the corrupt House Harkonnen on the planet Arrakis. He has come to witness his glorious revolution become a bloody jihad, with all manner of corruption performed in his name. While bound to the Harkonnen princess Irulan in a loveless marriage made for political expediency, Paul has become emperor of a society terrorized by its own soldiers. Surrounded by corrupt families and bureaucrats, Paul eventually comes to realize that the only hope for the future may lie in the hands of his twin heirs, son Leto II and daughter Ghanima. Ultimately, the only salvation from the revolution begun by Muad'Dib may be the absolute destruction of his myth. And the tempest begun by the father must somehow be ended by the son.

The stellar ensemble cast of Children of Dune includes Academy Award® winner Susan Sarandon as the deliciously evil Princess Wensicia, Alice Krige, Edward Atterton, and Steven Berkoff. Reprising their roles from the first miniseries are Alec Newman as Paul and Julie Cox as Princess Irulan. Click here to view the trailer and find more information.

[newt]

Originally posted by michaelfaries
Btw, just remember: It was April 2, 2002 when we were delivered the surprise news about the Ronald D. Moore/David Eick/SCI-FI Channel "re-imagining" (remake) production.

Karma, baby. Karma.

Michael
:colwar:

Yes, the Mother of all April Fools jokes...'cept it was'nt a joke. My what a strange year it has been!

I am SO looking forward to discussing Galactica's ongoing future! Without trolls! :cylon: By your command!

[thomas7g]

Guys-

Don't bag on havoc. He was sincere in his beliefs. He was just anti- our version of galactica and pro- the Hammer version.

I think if we conintue attacking the member, especially with him not being here, does not say much about OUR character. :/:

[Stevew]

Hey Tommy I never attacked him, I just wondered what happened to him
S:)

[Stevew]

I went round and round with him and rather enjoyed it
S:farmer:

[crash4587]

Originally posted by thomas7g
Guys-

Don't bag on havoc. He was sincere in his beliefs. He was just anti- our version of galactica and pro- the Hammer version.

I think if we conintue attacking the member, especially with him not being here, does not say much about OUR character. :/: Asking him to stop back, I don't agree with him,but he doesn't talk down to people" like 2 or 3 pro Moore folks I can think of. I hope he stops back.

[thomas7g]

Originally posted by Stevew
Hey Tommy I never attacked him, I just wondered what happened to him
S:)

hmmm... maybe my misread. I thought you were alluding to him being a Hammer flunkie or something. You mentioned people that needed "to fess up who they really are"

If I read it wrong, my apologies. ;)

[Stevew]

I am just curious as to who some of these people are
S:D