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Darrell Lawrence
April 8th, 2014, 06:46 AM
http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/data/media/1/The_guardian_01.jpgWell... if Glen is directly involved as a producer, maybe we'll get back to the reptilian Cylons and costumes resembling the originals more-so than the remake.

For me, this is going to be a "wait-and-see" on which direction it goes.

I also wonder if this news has to do with a certain someone I know suddenly disappearing from FB... ;)

http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/7/5591894/new-battlestar-galactica-movie-will-be-a-reboot

Jayworld
April 8th, 2014, 09:21 AM
Yes, I just saw this news, too. I found an article here:
http://bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/movie_news/2014/04/battlestar_galactica_movie_gets_new_life_at_universal

Mentions Larson as producer and does not mention Singer at all… hmmmm.

Charybdis
April 8th, 2014, 09:47 AM
yeah, but I think we need to focus on the aspect of what they are calling a complete "reboot." Yikes!!!

Odds are, if it's a complete reboot, it will be nothing like TOS...

Darrell Lawrence
April 8th, 2014, 11:17 AM
Reboot. Not remake. Big difference.

Andreas
April 8th, 2014, 12:12 PM
Hope this time it will happen!

Senmut
April 8th, 2014, 04:55 PM
But will it be "developed" and "updated", and all the ususal mong which means it's nothing like the original? All the producer-speak daggit drivel?

BST
April 8th, 2014, 07:03 PM
My guess is that it's going to be a mix of both Galactica shows. Maybe going back to non-Earth centric things such as names, clothing, etc. but, adding a rougher edge to the story.

Also, I predict that there will be NO Hector and Vector!!

jewels
April 8th, 2014, 07:31 PM
Since Hector and Vector were written just for those 2 actors: I think you are right. We won't be suffering through that again. :)

Reboot to me means more like Abrams' Trek (Very, very good)
Reimagine could go too many ways to even speculate, only a narrow band of them good, IMHO.

To have Larson named as producer instead of fighting to be legally and fiscally involved could be a better sign than the mess that began in 2002/2003.

Jewels

Punisher454
April 8th, 2014, 10:45 PM
I predict some ugly "discussions" in our future.

Senmut
April 9th, 2014, 01:30 AM
I agree.
Someone please define "rougher".

Titon
April 9th, 2014, 03:53 AM
Time has passed on the original. IF this is true and they finally decide to do this I would imagine it will be a redo. I cannot see them following the original concepts. But I've been wrong before.

I can handle a redo but what I cannot see again is a total tear down and changing the concept once again. But Hollywood loves to do that. If Larson is truly involved there could be some sorta hope.

I also have my reservations that if they do not change major components this would fail in a theater setting. If your going to do this it should be on tv because you limit yourself so much in trying to produce a 2 hour + movie. Just another mistake by Universal.

TwoBrainedCylon
April 9th, 2014, 05:01 AM
Gotta go with Don on this one. GINO did its reboot to moderate success. For all the hype, its ratings graph was a near clone of the original series ratings graph, -- a big downhill slope. Blood and Chrome apparently didn't generate enough interest to warrant any more GINO spin-offs. (That's a shame as that production really wasn't a bad effort). Caprica also failed to fire up the franchise, although I'll leave that to others as I only saw the pilot (which I also liked).

This movie announcement is a bit odd. Its a reboot of a reboot. If Galactica was a self-contained story that could be told and wrapped up in 2-3 hours then Galactica 3.0 might make sense as its Ron's reimagining has now hit the 10 year mark and that is the going rate for film remakes these days. However, I don't think Galactica could ever be condensed that much without making the story incoherent.

It seems there is a big missing element somewhere.

Jayworld
April 9th, 2014, 07:32 AM
Because of the director (Abrams) associated with the project, and Larson as producer, I am inclined to think that we'll be very pleased with the movie. At this point, everything we say is pure conjecture (of course), but from looking at the past history, using Star Trek:
The Star Trek franchise was rebooted under the direction of Abrams in a very successful way, using the original characters (albeit prior to the original series and suggesting an alternate timeline) and very identifiable visuals such as the costumes, ships, and even actors that bore more than a passing resemblance to the original actors. Even an original actor was used in a "cameo" role (Nimoy).

Because of this, and the fact that Larson is the producer and on record for not liking the Moore series and franchise at all, I think we'll see something in the sorts of how Abrams handled Star Trek but as Battlestar, with similar (and somewhat updated costuming), same characters with possibly different/younger actors that resemble the original actors characters, with the thoughts that a successful movie will reboot the franchise on the big screen the way Star Trek has recently enjoyed. So I think we'll see a MALE Starbuck, Apollo, Adama, Tigh, Baltar, Cassi, and other characters we know and love. It will be "edgier" or "darker" in the same vein as the new STar Trek was darker than the original series (probably PG-13 compared to a PG rating of the original BG series and theatrical film)I also think that if there is a cameo (or better role) for an original cast member, we'll see Dirk Benedict….. (just my 2 cents)

I am very much looking forward to this; best BG news I've had in 16+ years…..

Darrell Lawrence
April 9th, 2014, 08:53 AM
Where did you get Abrams being associated?

kingfish
April 9th, 2014, 09:37 AM
the star trek reboot wasn't bad because it took place in an alternate time line and leonard nimoy [spock] shows up. i just wish the shat could show up. his words to the younger version of himself might be. " don't go on the enterprise B and if you do definitely don't go to veridian III."

Charybdis
April 9th, 2014, 09:45 AM
I think JJ Abrams is going to be a bit busy over the next couple of years!!! (Star Wars Ep. VII)...

Titon
April 9th, 2014, 12:24 PM
There is no producer currently attached to this thing. The one guy that needs to be is in limbo as far as I have heard but IF again he is included there is a chance. Glen has some CRAZY CRAZY ideas and has never let go of the Pegasus storyline.

Jayworld
April 9th, 2014, 01:25 PM
Sorry, my bad. Just rambling, I guess. Please ignore post.

Titon
April 9th, 2014, 03:45 PM
;)

kingfish
April 9th, 2014, 06:23 PM
i wonder if we will see walking vipers this time.

kingfish
April 9th, 2014, 06:24 PM
star wars is managing to get a continuation of where jedi left off. i believe they are going to shoot all three films at one time like they did with the lord of the rings trilogy.

Jayworld
April 10th, 2014, 07:09 AM
Interesting news (on the all three at once). I know that the following are confirmed:
Mark Hamill - Luke
Harrison Ford - Han
Carrie Fisher - Leia
Peter Mayhew - Chewbacca

Nice that episode 7 will be a continuation set 30-35 years after ROTJ…

Would be nice if the new BG movie was a continuation. Would love to at least see Dirk, Richard, and Terry...

Jayworld
April 10th, 2014, 07:10 AM
i wonder if we will see walking vipers this time.

Probably not, but you know, whatever we get will be better than the 2003 reimagination and GINO series…. :)

kingfish
April 10th, 2014, 08:05 AM
Probably not, but you know, whatever we get will be better than the 2003 reimagination and GINO series…. :)



:D:rotf:

TwoBrainedCylon
April 10th, 2014, 08:21 AM
Probably not, but you know, whatever we get will be better than the 2003 reimagination and GINO series…. :)

You hope. It may make the 2003 version look great by comparison.

Time will tell.

Dawg
April 10th, 2014, 08:34 PM
You hope. It may make the 2003 version look great by comparison.

Time will tell.

If it gets made at all. This whole thing does echo of the last 25+ years (the last 11 of which I've been listening to), so I'm not going to be holding my breath.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Rhaven Blaack
April 10th, 2014, 09:54 PM
This is all VERY interesting news.
I have to agree with Dawg on this one. I too have heard so many different stories on how BSG was going to be "continued", "remade", "reimaged", "reboot". I too am not going to hold my breath on this one (not only that but I do not look good in BLUE. I am too tall to be a smurf and too short to be a Navi. I am 6' 6" by the way). I will believe it when I see it.

Senmut
April 10th, 2014, 10:09 PM
"Darker".
I would think that having your entire civilization annihilated by the Cylons, and then chased across the universe in a running battle was pretty "dark" already. Not exactly sunshine and buttercups.

Titon
April 11th, 2014, 03:56 AM
In my eyes they have a huge chance to fix the mess that was made in the first place. But this is Universal and they have a very serious negative track record to date. As much as I want to believe I have to agree with Sandy...could be worse than 2003.

I have always said if they cannot do it right do not do it at all!

Darrell Lawrence
April 11th, 2014, 09:32 AM
I disagree. I want them to make it, good or bad.

If it's bad, then once and for all maybe they'll let BSG rest in peace, and we won't have to deal with the headache of "Will they or won't they" anymore.

If it's good, then great. Maybe more good will follow.

But it needs to be put to rest one way or the other. No more teasing.

peter noble
April 11th, 2014, 10:10 AM
I disagree. I want them to make it, good or bad.

If it's bad, then once and for all maybe they'll let BSG rest in peace, and we won't have to deal with the headache of "Will they or won't they" anymore.

If it's good, then great. Maybe more good will follow.

But it needs to be put to rest one way or the other. No more teasing.

I never thought of it this way before. What you're saying D, makes a lot of sense.

I'll have to think about it.

Jayworld
April 11th, 2014, 01:47 PM
I disagree. I want them to make it, good or bad.

If it's bad, then once and for all maybe they'll let BSG rest in peace, and we won't have to deal with the headache of "Will they or won't they" anymore.

If it's good, then great. Maybe more good will follow.

But it needs to be put to rest one way or the other. No more teasing.

Darrell:
Great statement. I concur totally. Been on this ride (like most of you) since 1978. Watched the show, watched BG1980, bought the novels, toys, comics, bought Richard's new novels, saw and spoke with Richard, Herb, and Dirk at the Plano Comicon right after the Fox DeSanto/Singer TV movie was announced (man, it was electric in the room that day, so many were excited), saw Richard's The Second Coming multiple times…been a part of it all. Ready to see something, good or bad. Heck, the current comics are a good ride at the moment….

Benedict
April 13th, 2014, 07:27 AM
This news, though welcomed, seems to be the excuse some fans of the latest version have needed to drag up the vitriol those fans have of BSG78. Awfully tiresome.

Be nice to see if it happens but I have the memories of 78 and won't hold my breath lest I am severely disappointed.

Titon
April 13th, 2014, 08:41 AM
I disagree. I want them to make it, good or bad.

If it's bad, then once and for all maybe they'll let BSG rest in peace, and we won't have to deal with the headache of "Will they or won't they" anymore.

If it's good, then great. Maybe more good will follow.

But it needs to be put to rest one way or the other. No more teasing.

Careful for what you wish for. In some people's eyes this has already ran it's course with the 2003 mini and series. Although I would like to see an ending to this just exactly what direction Larson takes is critical. Again the announcement is a "reimagining". So your saying in essence you are admitting that you f'd up 3 times before and we are going to get it right this time? Sorry I don't buy it. In order to initiate closer Darrell there would have to be cannon history and in my eyes there has not been enough. How do you incorporate the TOS and NuBSG into a storyline that satisfies everyone? The only logical course is to do a prequel centered around the TOS. Then yet again how many "sequels" do you think they could possibly generate to finish the storyline? If this bombs it kills Galactica for good. Having first hand spoken for hours with Tom DeSanto and his vision and story arc it's a slam dunk. Put it on tv where it belongs and let Tom run with the vision he had. It was good and makes the most sense to feasibly create a history and an end.

I have kept this show alive in my own world since it disappeared off of the small screen so unless Larson blow's me away with a significant story I will choose to stay away.

jewels
April 13th, 2014, 03:20 PM
I suggested this over at TOK, but I thought it might generate a little fun musing here too:

What IF it was a reimaging because it told a story during the 1000 yahren war and satisfied Glen's longing to do a Pegasus story: Say it ends with the Pegasus as sole survivor of (I just realized I named the wrong battle at TOK) the destruction of the Fifth Fleet at Molokai. That could even be the cliffhanger: did they or didn't they survive?

From Universal's viewpoint that's a "new" story. From Glen's point: It might be that untold Pegasus story he's been tasting since Lloyd Bridges swaggered onto the Pegasus' deck. For a new generation: it's a spaceship story in the middle of a hotly fought war. Do you think something of that order could work?

Sarika
April 13th, 2014, 11:29 PM
Really? Is it? :blink:

Sorry...just reading all this now. Late to the party.:blush:

137th Gebirg
April 14th, 2014, 09:34 AM
I disagree. I want them to make it, good or bad.

If it's bad, then once and for all maybe they'll let BSG rest in peace, and we won't have to deal with the headache of "Will they or won't they" anymore.

If it's good, then great. Maybe more good will follow.

But it needs to be put to rest one way or the other. No more teasing.

This is wisdom. QFT! :thumbsup:

Eric Paddon
April 14th, 2014, 02:39 PM
The ship already sailed for me long ago. I've ceased to care about what might come because it won't be what I wanted to see, which is a resolution of the interrupted storyline from Galactica. We lost the chance to do it, and it's gone. I'm not interested in a retelling of Saga "done right" or a story about the Pegasus or anything that isn't what the whole dream of a continuation was for me in the first place. But I know that's not going to happen, so I won't have cause to whine when the particulars become clear. I've already accepted that outcome ahead of time.

Senmut
April 14th, 2014, 03:54 PM
Don't mince words, EP. tell us what you really think.

jewels
April 14th, 2014, 10:29 PM
Honestly, I think anyone in this fandom has a right to be a little cynical, or even a lot cynical about this.

I just personally have to have that "wait and see. Potential positives ahead," perspective. There's enough rough, tough and bummer in the universe...I'll take a little glimmer when and where I can find it. Even if it's just that we all had an excuse to de-lurk and chat. :)

bsg1fan1975
April 15th, 2014, 02:20 AM
Honestly, I think anyone in this fandom has a right to be a little cynical, or even a lot cynical about this.



You hit the nail on the head. We have had our hopes built up so many times to have them dashed. I've gotten to the point that when talk about Galactica surfaces, I don't even let it bother me.

Jayworld
April 15th, 2014, 10:26 AM
You hit the nail on the head. We have had our hopes built up so many times to have them dashed. I've gotten to the point that when talk about Galactica surfaces, I don't even let it bother me.

I can totally understand this view, especially when the fandom has been jerked around by the cancellation of the Fox pilot (DeSanto), then an abrupt 180 to the reimagination and ignoring of original fandom (us). Then to see the on-again, off again promise of a new movie… and with all the teasing (such as the basic premise of the PS2/XBox BG game, etc.). Colonial Fan Force, etc. It's been a long ride.

Having said that, I still remain optimistic and check these boards often (and contribute when I can) and check online for new movie info.

I can't help it, I LOVE Battlestar Galactica (the original, classic series) and always will….

Apolloisall
April 15th, 2014, 07:47 PM
I can't help it, I LOVE Battlestar Galactica (the original, classic series) and always will….

Right there with ya!

I'll give anything new a chance, but my heart belongs to TOS Galactica.:salute:
THE BEST SPACE OPERA EVER.

Mushies all around!:rotf:

Senmut
April 15th, 2014, 09:09 PM
I can totally understand this view, especially when the fandom has been jerked around by the cancellation of the Fox pilot (DeSanto), then an abrupt 180 to the reimagination and ignoring of original fandom (us). Then to see the on-again, off again promise of a new movie… and with all the teasing (such as the basic premise of the PS2/XBox BG game, etc.). Colonial Fan Force, etc. It's been a long ride.

Having said that, I still remain optimistic and check these boards often (and contribute when I can) and check online for new movie info.

I can't help it, I LOVE Battlestar Galactica (the original, classic series) and always will….

Totally, on one and three. I however do not have any optimism. H'Wood is full of boray astrums who think they are semi-divine visionaries, who see and know all, while we fans are the Great Unwashed, grovelling at the foot of Olympus, for any scrap they happen to TOS our way.
Hhrummphhff!

Darrell Lawrence
April 16th, 2014, 07:41 PM
I have always said if they cannot do it right do not do it at all!Don, by your words right there, the last "image" of BSG would be the 2003 mini and series.

I do not want that.

I want them to make this, good or bad, as I said. If it's good, great. if not, then let the last version be the last version, rather than the 2003 stuff to be the last version.

I have a feeling that, with this particular writer and with Glen more involved, we will see something closer to the original rather than the 2003 version.

Will it be good? Who knows. But it WON'T be the 2003 version.

THAT, my friend, is my point. If it's bad, THEN maybe BSG can be left alone, as you want it left alone.

jewels
April 17th, 2014, 08:56 PM
I get what you are saying. Either do really well or fail miserably so that is the end of it and it reverts to a fan piece.

I still want option A. Just my druthers.

Senmut
April 17th, 2014, 10:37 PM
Kind of like not having your last meal before hanging. If you don't, then the meal before that one becomes your last meal.

Darrell Lawrence
April 18th, 2014, 09:53 AM
jewels, option "A" is what I want as well ;)

Senmut, nice analogy :LOL:

Gemini1999
April 23rd, 2014, 09:07 PM
I'm with Darrell on this...

This particular project has been a long time coming and we've all wondered what a big budget film version would look like. It's about time we found out. I'll go see it in whatever form it takes. If it's good, then I'll be pleasantly surprised. If it's not, it'll just be another in a long line of failed remakes. In the long run, no film or TV series holds my reason for living in the balance...

PaulGTweed
April 24th, 2014, 07:32 AM
I suggested this over at TOK, but I thought it might generate a little fun musing here too:

What IF it was a reimaging because it told a story during the 1000 yahren war and satisfied Glen's longing to do a Pegasus story: Say it ends with the Pegasus as sole survivor of (I just realized I named the wrong battle at TOK) the destruction of the Fifth Fleet at Molokai. That could even be the cliffhanger: did they or didn't they survive?

From Universal's viewpoint that's a "new" story. From Glen's point: It might be that untold Pegasus story he's been tasting since Lloyd Bridges swaggered onto the Pegasus' deck. For a new generation: it's a spaceship story in the middle of a hotly fought war. Do you think something of that order could work?
One slight problem. Good movie plotline but, without the Battlestar Galactica in the film. It wouldn't be a Battlestar Galactica movie.

Jayworld
April 24th, 2014, 07:55 AM
Questions:
Would you support/watch the movie if:

1. It is a reboot with the original characters played by different actors (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, Athena, Baltar, etc.) in the vein of the new Star Trek films

2. It is a reimagination that blends (not sure how that would work) both the original series and the new series

3. It is a new story featuring elements of the original series, such as Jewels referred to in her post on the Pegasus

4. It is a continuation of the original series, set 30 years later, with cameo-to-minor roles for Richard Hatch (Apollo), Dirk Benedict (Starbuck), Herb Jefferson (Boomer), Terry Carter (Tigh), with the main thrust being the younger actors

Darrell Lawrence
April 30th, 2014, 08:43 PM
Has anyone noticed that anytime there is major Star Wars news, that "Battlestar Galactica movie news" pops up again and again?

bsg1fan1975
May 1st, 2014, 03:07 AM
Yes I have and it is always quite amusing to me!

Jayworld
May 1st, 2014, 07:41 AM
Has anyone noticed that anytime there is major Star Wars news, that "Battlestar Galactica movie news" pops up again and again?

Well, you do know that Battlestar is a rip-off of Star Wars, right (at least, that's what Lucas thought)….:rotf:

Rhaven Blaack
May 1st, 2014, 12:56 PM
Well, you do know that Battlestar is a rip-off of Star Wars, right (at least, that's what Lucas thought)….:rotf:

Lucas thinks that EVERYTHING is a rip-off of Star Wars (to include Star Trek).:rotf::rotf::rotf:

Senmut
May 1st, 2014, 10:30 PM
It's a Cylon plot!

Punisher454
May 1st, 2014, 11:16 PM
Come on, everyone knows George Lucas invented science fiction, right? Kinda like Al Gore invented the internet, Apple invented the mouse, and Marconi invented the radio.

Lucas thinks that EVERYTHING is a rip-off of Star Wars (to include Star Trek)
I read somewhere that star trek was inspired by Forbidden Planet.

Senmut
May 2nd, 2014, 12:48 AM
Lucas invented that, too? Wow!

PaulGTweed
May 2nd, 2014, 07:39 AM
Questions:
Would you support/watch the movie if:

1. It is a reboot with the original characters played by different actors (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, Athena, Baltar, etc.) in the vein of the new Star Trek films

2. It is a reimagination that blends (not sure how that would work) both the original series and the new series

3. It is a new story featuring elements of the original series, such as Jewels referred to in her post on the Pegasus

4. It is a continuation of the original series, set 30 years later, with cameo-to-minor roles for Richard Hatch (Apollo), Dirk Benedict (Starbuck), Herb Jefferson (Boomer), Terry Carter (Tigh), with the main thrust being the younger actors
1. I would watch. 2. Glen Larson could sell the Galactica:1980 rights to Ron Moore to do an updated TV series that starts after the New York City street scenes with Head Six and Head Gaius Baltar. 3. It would be a Battlestar Pegasus movie unless it takes place after the events of the BSG episode 'The Living Legend'. 4. I would watch.

Darrell Lawrence
May 2nd, 2014, 11:01 AM
I wasn't kidding though, folks. Seriously... everytime something major happens in the Star Wars universe, the BG movie thing pops up.

On a side note, go to the Gallery and check this out - http://www.colonialfleets.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=8

Look at the year of that. Then tell me what movie came out around that time.

When DeSanto/Singer were connected to the BG project in 2002/2003, guess what sequel had just came out?

In 2005, when DeSanto was still being pushed to do a movie and team up with Larson (just rumors at the time, much like now... didn't really "take off" until 2009 with Singer back involved and DeSanto out), guess what trilogy had its third part in theaters?

jewels
May 2nd, 2014, 09:41 PM
Well, you do know that Battlestar is a rip-off of Star Wars, right (at least, that's what Lucas thought)….:rotf:
and he, himself said C3PO and R2D2 were based on Laurel and Hardy. :rotf:

Senmut
May 2nd, 2014, 10:09 PM
honestly, i think anyone in this fandom has a right to be a little cynical, or even a lot cynical about this.



amen!

Sarika
May 3rd, 2014, 11:09 PM
Well, you do know that Battlestar is a rip-off of Star Wars, right (at least, that's what Lucas thought)….:rotf:

Wasn't Battlestar Galactica already written and in a desk drawer about a year before Star Wars even was released on the big screen?

Senmut
May 4th, 2014, 05:34 PM
At least an outline, or so I heard once. Until SW was a success, no one was interested.

monolith21
May 13th, 2014, 08:15 PM
I really hope Glen gets it done this time. Lord knows we've been through it with these hopeful projects, but it does put a smile on my face every time it comes up. I like that it just won't die!

Senmut
May 13th, 2014, 10:20 PM
I'll believe it when I see the credits start to roll.

monolith21
May 16th, 2014, 03:48 AM
You and me both. I've been a cheerleader for this even after many others became cynical but even I have my limits. If it happens I'll see it probably ten times in the theatre...but that is a strong IF at this point.

That said, I'll support it any way I can!

137th Gebirg
May 16th, 2014, 07:25 AM
I, too, will believe it when I see the opening credits roll, but it definitely feels real this time. Universal apparently sent one of their photographers to get hi-res photos of the original filming model for possible promotional uses. Hoping beyond hope, but it actually looks like something may finally be happening now.

Senmut
May 16th, 2014, 07:03 PM
Or to just get the opoosition to quiet down?

BST
May 16th, 2014, 08:01 PM
Much of the push IS likely related to the beginning of production for SW VII. My hope is that they can knock it out of the ballpark, with this one and set the stage for more. I'm hoping that the recent success of Star Trek, combined with Star Wars coming back, will pull in Galactica and get some good sci-fi back in the theaters again.

Gemini1999
May 16th, 2014, 08:13 PM
I'm feeling positive about this. There have been so many "announcements", but I believe that both Glen and Universal feel that this finally needs to get done. Glen probably doesn't have that many years left and Universal would hope that the time is right for them to have a franchise genre film to one-hour there with Trek and Star Wars. The news about the original filming model undergoing restoration and being photographed on Universal's dime means something is afoot. Whatever form it takes, I'll see it at least once, but I hope it's good. By now, the studio has 2 series from different eras and by now, they must have some Ida as to what will work and what won't. I imagine that there's been plenty of discussion on what kind of film will have the broadest appeal. Only time will tell. Until then, it's fun to think about.

PaulGTweed
May 17th, 2014, 06:47 AM
The writer chosen to write the screenplay doesn't inspire confidence. He wrote Transcendence. It bombed at the box office.

Senmut
May 17th, 2014, 04:10 PM
If GL, Hatch, Bellisario, and maybe one or two other of the original bunch were on board to write, I'd feel more confident.

Rhaven Blaack
May 19th, 2014, 12:23 AM
I am still dubiously curious to see how it will turn out (good or bad).

PaulGTweed
May 19th, 2014, 08:46 AM
Transcendence was about a scientist (Jonny Depp) who is killed and his wife transfers his consciousness/soul is into a machine.

jewels
May 21st, 2014, 05:24 PM
PaulGTweed, did you see it? was it a decent story? I never believe critics.

Raptornet
May 22nd, 2014, 04:09 AM
The worry I have about this BSG movie is that like many producers who are given a butt load of cash. They will loose sight of the goal, J.J's Star Trek is a good example. Dont get me wrong, I think both are great, fun science fiction movie's. I'm just not so eager to call what I'm seeing Star trek. So now when I hear the term 'reboot' associated with something else I like, I start to worry.

I'm was a fan of the original BSG well before the mini series in 2004, but I liked that also. Ok I had a problem with the ending, but compared to most of the rubbish on TV. The modern BSG was damn good science fiction. Which is hard to come by, when the likes of Firefly get cancelled. How that happens, I will never know!

It would be great if they throw in stuff specially for the fans, but the cynic in me has to be brutally honest. The 70's format of BSG will simply not entertain a young audience of today and bums on seats is what sells a movie.
The only people making movies that services the fans ARE fan films and few of those get off the drawing board.

But who knows right? like the rest of you, I'll be watching the progress of this production. I just wont allow myself to build up my hopes, after the mess that was Star Trek 2009. It would crush me to buy a ticket and see yet ANOTHER show I love, ruined on the big screen.

PaulGTweed
May 22nd, 2014, 08:07 AM
The worry I have about this BSG movie is that like many producers who are given a butt load of cash. They will loose sight of the goal, J.J's Star Trek is a good example. Dont get me wrong, I think both are great, fun science fiction movie's. I'm just not so eager to call what I'm seeing Star trek. So now when I hear the term 'reboot' associated with something else I like, I start to worry.

I'm was a fan of the original BSG well before the mini series in 2004, but I liked that also. Ok I had a problem with the ending, but compared to most of the rubbish on TV. The modern BSG was damn good science fiction. Which is hard to come by, when the likes of Firefly get cancelled. How that happens, I will never know!

It would be great if they throw in stuff specially for the fans, but the cynic in me has to be brutally honest. The 70's format of BSG will simply not entertain a young audience of today and bums on seats is what sells a movie.
The only people making movies that services the fans ARE fan films and few of those get off the drawing board.

But who knows right? like the rest of you, I'll be watching the progress of this production. I just wont allow myself to build up my hopes, after the mess that was Star Trek 2009. It would crush me to buy a ticket and see yet ANOTHER show I love, ruined on the big screen.

Ron Moore turned Battlestar Galactica into secular humanist TOS Star Trek. I was able to predict how the stories would end after the first few minutes. Ron Moore's BSG only lasted as long as it did because it was only on the SYFY Channel. On Network, it would have lasted maybe one or two seasons. DVD, Blu-Ray, online streaming, Cable/Satellite TV yes, even Bittorrents can be a deciding factor in a potential film sequel being made if the first film doesn't do well at the box office. Buckaroo Banzai:Across the 8th Dimension in 1984 is an example where a decent film barely made anything at the box office made a ton after it was shown on Cable TV and VHS videotapes.

gmd3d
May 22nd, 2014, 09:35 AM
While I am not a member of Staff, I would point out that discussion of TNS is not permitted on Colonial fleets, only discussion of TOS is allowed. (art is excluded from this rule). lest the thread is closed :salute:

There is a facebook group supporting the new Galactica Movie project and some new images of the restored models are been shared. The current private owner of the Models has offered the models for use in the new Movie too.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GalacticaModels/

http://taraniscgi.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/galactica-2014.jpg

A quote from the page.
There are those that believe that the original filming miniature models from the 78 series Battlestar Galactica still have life out there for one last big screen appearance. Glen Larson is heading up an attempt to bring Battlestar Galactica back to the big screen, and now is the time to bring back the Big "G". The owner (a good personal friend) of many pieces of the Rag Tag Fleet, Vipers, Raiders, Baseship, and the Galactica, and a good friend of mine said he would like to do what no other production has done before, and that is go back and use the original models. Star Trek, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Star Wars, and others have never gone back in time and used the original models. Lets make Universal, and Glen Larson this offer known to them that these are models are available to go where no other models have gone before. "LIKING" this page gives a head count in numbers that agrees you would like to see the original models fly across the big screen again. These numbers do count, and the Studios like numbers so make you "Like" count.

Senmut
May 22nd, 2014, 05:19 PM
Ron Moore turned Battlestar Galactica into secular humanist TOS Star Trek.

AMEN!:salute::thumbsup:

Gemini1999
May 23rd, 2014, 11:22 AM
As a moderator...it would be nice if we could keep this discussion on topic about the BG movie news and not let it degrade into yet another tirade about "old vs new". That discussion's been going since 2003 and its never going to change, so let's move on.

137th Gebirg
May 23rd, 2014, 12:24 PM
^^^ Agreed.

Sarika
May 23rd, 2014, 10:36 PM
I really hope Glen gets it done this time. Lord knows we've been through it with these hopeful projects, but it does put a smile on my face every time it comes up. I like that it just won't die!

Here! Here!:beer::coolangel:thumbsup:

Raptornet
May 24th, 2014, 03:53 AM
It would be truly awesome if they used the original model, just have to wait and see. With Larson involved I'm hoping the chances the film will have a TOS flavour are good :)

Much as I enjoy what can be achieved with CGI, I still prefer physical models. The skill that went in to making the Galactica is just phenomenal, the picture posted below speaks volumes.

PaulGTweed
May 24th, 2014, 03:38 PM
As a moderator...it would be nice if we could keep this discussion on topic about the BG movie news and not let it degrade into yet another tirade about "old vs new". That discussion's been going since 2003 and its never going to change, so let's move on.

Old 1978 Battlestar TV series and feature film vs New 2014-2017? Battlestar Movie will always be debated. The old vs new war continues.

Lara
May 25th, 2014, 02:03 AM
Old 1978 Battlestar TV series and feature film vs New 2014-2017? Battlestar Movie will always be debated. The old vs new war continues.

Things I have learnt since 1982

Floggin' dead 'orses is pointless.

That war is over. There are plenty of left over landmines and sweaty tricky UXBs, between the entrenched positions, but the time for active combat has gone. Time to come out of the jungle.

The opposing POVs are on the public record.

Bitter rants and keystrokes struck in anger won't change what happened, but digging it over will feed the basest instincts of the beast within Fundamentalist Fandom.

If there's no new evidence, wasting time with another circuit of the same old yakkity yakk won't cause the judge to review the sentence..

The line between robust discussion and argument is a fine one. Not all your friends and acquaintances will stay with you when you cross it. People who are alone and wanting to fight with other people generally aren't held in high regard...

:duck:

PaulGTweed
May 25th, 2014, 08:29 AM
Things I have learnt since 1982

Floggin' dead 'orses is pointless.

That war is over. There are plenty of left over landmines and sweaty tricky UXBs, between the entrenched positions, but the time for active combat has gone. Time to come out of the jungle.

The opposing POVs are on the public record.

Bitter rants and keystrokes struck in anger won't change what happened, but digging it over will feed the basest instincts of the beast within Fundamentalist Fandom.

If there's no new evidence, wasting time with another circuit of the same old yakkity yakk won't cause the judge to review the sentence..

The line between robust discussion and argument is a fine one. Not all your friends and acquaintances will stay with you when you cross it. People who are alone and wanting to fight with other people generally aren't held in high regard...

:duck: Everything comes back around and most of the human conflicts today are continuations of the previous wars that have occurred since time began. As Commander Adama said in War of the Gods "We have always been caught in the conflict between Good and Evil. It will be no different even if we find Earth." As I said THE WAR CONTINUES!

Darrell Lawrence
May 25th, 2014, 11:26 AM
Not between the original and TNS. Anyone posting to start a fight, or try to continue the "war", will be banned. We are allowing moderate discussion of TNS, *BUT*, and I emphasize this, NOT TO START ARGUMENTS OR TO COMPARE THUS CREATING ARGUMENTS.

MarkTheSaint
May 26th, 2014, 10:23 PM
Questions:
Would you support/watch the movie if:

1. It is a reboot with the original characters played by different actors (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, Athena, Baltar, etc.) in the vein of the new Star Trek films

2. It is a reimagination that blends (not sure how that would work) both the original series and the new series

3. It is a new story featuring elements of the original series, such as Jewels referred to in her post on the Pegasus

4. It is a continuation of the original series, set 30 years later, with cameo-to-minor roles for Richard Hatch (Apollo), Dirk Benedict (Starbuck), Herb Jefferson (Boomer), Terry Carter (Tigh), with the main thrust being the younger actors

I would go for all of the above but as Star Wars and Rocky has shown that
comebacks are very popular with the moviegoers so I would recommend
having the colonials regain their home worlds and then wipe out the Cylons
so they can never attack again and then go explore the galaxy and deal
with new enemies as they come up like in Star Trek.

MarkTheSaint

137th Gebirg
May 27th, 2014, 01:01 PM
^^^ It might indeed be a more uplifting path for BSG to take.

As light-hearted as TOS BSG was compared to NuBSG, having the entirety of the human race experience a "holocaust" of any kind is rather heavy material, in either version. I think many people may be getting fatigued with "darkness" and "grittiness" in their shows. I know I am to an extent.

Perhaps they should take it in a completely different direction after briefly retelling the original story and not dwelling on it as much, or rather, more deeply exploring the profound implications of the "grand plan" that the Beings of Light have set humanity on, and the efforts of Count Iblis to undermine it while executing a "grand plan" of his own for the Cylons. TOS never got the opportunity to explore the rich tapestry that was quietly being woven into the fabric of the plot for various reasons. I think it is now time to do just that!

Senmut
May 27th, 2014, 02:14 PM
You must admit, Iblis is a hell of a character! ;)

PaulGTweed
June 1st, 2014, 06:13 AM
^^^ It might indeed be a more uplifting path for BSG to take.

As light-hearted as TOS BSG was compared to NuBSG, having the entirety of the human race experience a "holocaust" of any kind is rather heavy material, in either version. I think many people may be getting fatigued with "darkness" and "grittiness" in their shows. I know I am to an extent.

Perhaps they should take it in a completely different direction after briefly retelling the original story and not dwelling on it as much, or rather, more deeply exploring the profound implications of the "grand plan" that the Beings of Light have set humanity on, and the efforts of Count Iblis to undermine it while executing a "grand plan" of his own for the Cylons. TOS never got the opportunity to explore the rich tapestry that was quietly being woven into the fabric of the plot for various reasons. I think it is now time to do just that!
This plot I like! It gives the producers a chance to bring in new characters and new plot twists instead of rehashing what has already been done. I nominate Alan Rickman for Count Iblis!

PaulGTweed
June 1st, 2014, 01:25 PM
This plot I like! It gives the producers a chance to bring in new characters and new plot twists instead of rehashing what has already been done. I nominate Alan Rickman for Count Iblis!
I also nominate Benedict Cumberbatch for Count Iblis or the Cylon Imperious Leader.

gmd3d
June 2nd, 2014, 03:20 AM
I also nominate Benedict Cumberbatch for Count Iblis or the Cylon Imperious Leader.

No thanks..

Rickman would be a better choice.
or Anthony Head

peter noble
June 2nd, 2014, 02:35 PM
Frank Langella as Baltar.

borjis
June 2nd, 2014, 03:14 PM
frank langella as baltar.

yes!

gmd3d
June 2nd, 2014, 03:26 PM
Frank Langella as Baltar.

oh yes.. good choice

Dawg
June 2nd, 2014, 09:03 PM
Frank Langella as Baltar.

yes!

oh yes.. good choice

Just a moment. I have it:

Rickman (who can foam at the mouth with the best of them) as Baltar.

Langella (elder statesman, solid, but who can just ooze charm and menace) as Iblis.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

PaulGTweed
June 3rd, 2014, 07:55 AM
Robert Downey,Jr. would make a good Baltar. If he isn't doing an Iron Man or Avengers movie.

Senmut
June 3rd, 2014, 12:45 PM
Is Cancer Man from XFiles still around? He'd be good.

137th Gebirg
June 4th, 2014, 06:46 AM
I think so - I recall seeing him in something a couple years ago. For the life of me, I can't remember what, but he was playing a bit-role in something and I recognized him immediately. So yes, he should be available.

PaulGTweed
June 12th, 2014, 06:38 AM
It appears the Galactica movie isn't a done deal. Larson and Universal are still in negotiating contract royalties owed to Larson. Glen A Larson's son Chris Larson maybe directing a project for Universal.

gmd3d
June 12th, 2014, 07:53 AM
At this point I have stopped caring if its made or not..

Senmut
June 12th, 2014, 01:10 PM
"Negotions". Lawyer-speak for not doing anything of substance, and letting time play out.

MarkTheSaint
June 13th, 2014, 08:00 PM
Well, there are videos on You-tube that are being made by fans that are
sparking imaginations for more videos. What happens if someone posts a video
that becomes viral and that someone decides to turn it into an actual series
or big-screen movie? The original owners or the movie and TV series may try to
employ legal action but they are losing clout with the fans if they do not do
something to satisfy their demands. There is one a video where the Enterprise
D encounters battlestar wreckage and then brings in the whole Federation
fleet on a rescue mission to fight off the Cylons and bring back the colonial
fleet to a Federation star base. I found the video something to relate to very
easily. There is a body of imagination out there that needs a direction to focus
its amazing story telling resources and the original owners of this franchise
are going to lose control of it very quickly if they do not make use of what is
out there. Those lawyers better get aware of this as soon as possible or else
they will not have much to negotiate about at all.

Lara
June 13th, 2014, 09:11 PM
Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

PaulGTweed
June 14th, 2014, 06:13 AM
Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

Lara, you left out the various Writer's Guilds, Director's, Screen Actor's Guilds, etc.. If you are not a member of the Guild with a qualifying Agent is the reason no one in or from Hollywood will look at anyone's scripts, stories, plot ideas.

PaulGTweed
June 14th, 2014, 06:20 AM
Well, there are videos on You-tube that are being made by fans that are
sparking imaginations for more videos. What happens if someone posts a video
that becomes viral and that someone decides to turn it into an actual series
or big-screen movie? The original owners or the movie and TV series may try to
employ legal action but they are losing clout with the fans if they do not do
something to satisfy their demands. There is one a video where the Enterprise
D encounters battlestar wreckage and then brings in the whole Federation
fleet on a rescue mission to fight off the Cylons and bring back the colonial
fleet to a Federation star base. I found the video something to relate to very
easily. There is a body of imagination out there that needs a direction to focus
its amazing story telling resources and the original owners of this franchise
are going to lose control of it very quickly if they do not make use of what is
out there. Those lawyers better get aware of this as soon as possible or else
they will not have much to negotiate about at all.

MarktheSaint, you make a good point. If there was no Star Trek: New Voyages/Phase 2 we would not have seen J J Abrams Star Trek reboot. (Which might have been not bad to happen.) During the Re-Imagined BSG run. Sci-Fi Channel and Ron Moore had a BSG Fanfilm contest.

Darrell Lawrence
June 15th, 2014, 10:10 AM
Fan stuff vs Hollywood stuff- First, lemme correct a little something here:
Lara, you left out the various Writer's Guilds, Director's, Screen Actor's Guilds, etc.. If you are not a member of the Guild with a qualifying Agent is the reason no one in or from Hollywood will look at anyone's scripts, stories, plot ideas.This isn't quite true. Star Trek TNG did have fan submission for stories that they bought and ended up producing into episodes. The most well known person to me to have gained "fame" going that route is one Dennis Baily. Many who were a part of the 3DG days will know who I am talking about.

Anyways... Many fan endeavors are getting longer in length and better in quality. The typical viewing fan doesn't care where the source came from, whether it is fan made or Hollywood made, they want good stories, acting and FX. Hollywood is in danger of losing out to fan created material because the fan created material will be offered for FREE viewing right here on the internet.

The various Star Trek projects out there by fans is what is really keeping Star Trek off the television screen right now. Hollywood doesn't want to pay an enormous amount for something of which its quality is no better than a cheaply made fan project. Certainly Hollywood could go after them for copyright infringement, etc, but guess what? That'd be a huge losing battle for Hollywood. Fans will create, no matter what. Hollywood can't stop them. So long as the fans do not try to make a profit off said projects, they are pretty much untouchable. In addition, the work put into these projects by fans showcases their work so that some Hollywood studios DO hire them for whatever. Case in point is a guy right here at CF that is nothing but a huge fan boy, but his modeling skills were showcased through his various works, and he got hired to work on a certain mini series. I won't name him, cuz his ego is too big as it is (plus he's a Vikings fan.... UGH!) and his head swells up bigger than Jupiter when he gets praise (I am joking, of course. Don is one of the best people on this planet).

PaulGTweed
June 15th, 2014, 01:22 PM
Fan stuff vs Hollywood stuff- First, lemme correct a little something here:
This isn't quite true. Star Trek TNG did have fan submission for stories that they bought and ended up producing into episodes. The most well known person to me to have gained "fame" going that route is one Dennis Baily. Many who were a part of the 3DG days will know who I am talking about.

Anyways... Many fan endeavors are getting longer in length and better in quality. The typical viewing fan doesn't care where the source came from, whether it is fan made or Hollywood made, they want good stories, acting and FX. Hollywood is in danger of losing out to fan created material because the fan created material will be offered for FREE viewing right here on the internet.

The various Star Trek projects out there by fans is what is really keeping Star Trek off the television screen right now. Hollywood doesn't want to pay an enormous amount for something of which its quality is no better than a cheaply made fan project. Certainly Hollywood could go after them for copyright infringement, etc, but guess what? That'd be a huge losing battle for Hollywood. Fans will create, no matter what. Hollywood can't stop them. So long as the fans do not try to make a profit off said projects, they are pretty much untouchable. In addition, the work put into these projects by fans showcases their work so that some Hollywood studios DO hire them for whatever. Case in point is a guy right here at CF that is nothing but a huge fan boy, but his modeling skills were showcased through his various works, and he got hired to work on a certain mini series. I won't name him, cuz his ego is too big as it is (plus he's a Vikings fan.... UGH!) and his head swells up bigger than Jupiter when he gets praise (I am joking, of course. Don is one of the best people on this planet).
That is the Exception. Not the rule.

ernie90125
June 15th, 2014, 01:30 PM
Fan stuff has no legal status. Lawyers don't worry about it staking claim as it has none. Try to say a studio nicked your idea and you will get reminded its not legally yours to play with in the first place :-)
Some franchise owners (especially original concept writers) forbid it, others tolerate it, just a few encourage it.
A notable few fan writers have gone mainstream, or lived the dream of co-writing with their idol author, but that's the exception.

None of the owners I've ever spoken to want you to discuss you ideas with them because of potential 'contamination' and the ill will it causes if there is a coincidence

BSG was fertile ground from the start because of its big themes. There was reams of fanfic before the first series had even finished and after G80 it just exploded as fans looked to
a) continue the story to ease their frustration
b) use the new fangled internet thingo for message boards and instant sharing instead of newsletters and printed zines :-)

Artwork was always part of it, fanfilms and animations a natural extension as the tools became available to gifted amateurs.

Poppa Larson will be arguing for more money, not because he has any affection or any passion for the property. Ditto with Universal.

I agree with everything Lara has said and although there are exceptions to the rule, there is a perceived gulf between the superfans and the professionals.

It is possible to cross that divide (most of the people working on Dr Who were superfans, including Stephen Moffat) and Kickstarter campaigns for professional led fanfilms demonstrate that, but nevertheless "The Powers That Be" see the gulf.

That's why it's very important for credibility to be foremost, which (for example) I think the Colonial Fan Force achieved when it advertised in an industry magazine (Daily Variety). If fans of a show are ever to reach out to executives, it has to be done on the executives' ground, not the fans' ground, or even common ground.

ernie90125
June 15th, 2014, 01:58 PM
This is the most recent update that I could find on Larson vs Universal:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/knight-rider-producer-glen-larson-lawsuit-universal-356300

Senmut
June 15th, 2014, 05:26 PM
Therefore, the party of the first part, hereafter referred to as the party of the first part, pursuant to litigation filed against the party of the first part by the party of the second part, hereafter to be referred to as the party of the second part, in the above entitled action, hereafter referred to as the above entitled action, regarding the television productions at Universal Studios, hereafter referred to as the television productions at Universal Studios, shall, in compliance with the previous court ruling, number 4598354718947645762378-U, hereafter referred to as previous court ruling, number 4598354718947645762378-U, shall now, and without prevaricative circumlocution, circumlocutive prevarication, or any permutation of the above, uhh...
Ahhh Hades Hole, where the frack were we, Glen?

MarkTheSaint
June 15th, 2014, 07:35 PM
Larson and Universal may not like this but I do think the internet is going to
be the "jackal that steals the kill" while they fight over this like a lion and a
leopard fight over a killed gazelle. I myself have a fan story I have been
working on for 32 years that in the right hands can make any small
production company into another Lucasfilm. A highlight description of it is
having the colonial fleet meet a ship of exiles from Earth that was heading for
a place to start over and then the Cylons attack when both parties deal with
broken hearts and dreams. To escape the attack the fleet heads into a
nebula cloud where visibility is extremely poor and loses the Cylon pursuers.
After a few years of wandering in the cloud a preacher in the Earth Party
tells the admiral to stop the fleet or else face destruction. Stepping out on
faith, the admiral stops the fleet and then sees the cloud material blow away
as a supernova blast blows around the fleet and clears the space. Then
scanners pick up a huge cluster of stars with habitable planets and the fleet
heads toward it as the cluster had opened its arms and was saying "Give me
your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free . . ." as
the poem goes. The fleet quickly settles down and the population begins to
multiply. Then some people got the idea to rebuild the fleet and faced
opposition initially before getting the effort under way. The Galactica is
then brought into a newly-built orbiting shipyard and was rebuilt using
titanium that was found to be abundant in the cluster. Then in a repeat of
the "leaving drydock" scene in Star Trek, the Galactica pulls out and the crew
begins training exercises as construction of more battlestars begin. Then
discussions began on how to defeat the Cylons when "Asymmetric Warfare"
came up where the colonials do terrorist warfare to "Bermuda Triangle" the
Cylon supply fleets to get more material and get intelligence. When the fleet
gets big enough the President does the "FDR Pearl Harber Speech" as the
next phase of the war of taking on the Cylons head on begins. I also had the
colonials build gunstars that are ships that are 5000' long had having 8 gun
turrets, 4 on top and 4 on the bottom of the ship, with each gun turret
having 3 electromagnetic rail guns (aka: mass drivers) with each gun having
a bore diameter of 1000 inches. The shells the guns fire can weigh 100 tons
each and can be one of three types. One type is to have enough mass to
knock out the shield generators of the Cylon basestars, another type is to
explode inside the basestars to destroy them from the inside out. The third
type is when Cylon raiders come in swarms that number in the millions the
shell type is designed to explode into 100,000 1-pound fragments that
create a cone of death like a shotgun blast to damage, disable or even
destroy the Cylon attackers. Using the new ship types and ships made leaner
and meaner from titanium, the colonials claw their way back using raw
courage and determination and finally defeat the Cylons on their own home
world. From then on it is exploring the galaxy, meeting new characters and
dealing with new enemies like one that is a cross between the Borg and the
Independence Day aliens, making the Cylons look like school project robots.
One of the colonial characters takes vacations on a planet he called
"Middle Earth" since it looked like J.R.R. Tolkien had actually visited the
planet when he wrote his stories. That same character had said he is going
to make evil wish it never messed with him. If you find this story offensive
then you have my apologies but I had used story to deal with and overcome
abuses that I had suffered in parts of my life. If you find this story to have
something worth working on then I can supply more details when asked. I
think stories like this that are incubating on the internet could cause big
production companies to fall and small ones to rise up to greatness. There
is a danger of major media companies buying up production companies and
then only produce shows and movies that lack imagination or new material
to stimulate viewers so they go back to the internet to get the stimulation
they want.

Gemini1999
June 17th, 2014, 04:44 PM
This is the most recent update that I could find on Larson vs Universal:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/knight-rider-producer-glen-larson-lawsuit-universal-356300

That was more than 2 years ago... The most recent thing I could find is this (which is ove a year old):

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/inside-universals-ugly-battle-creator-438617

Darrell Lawrence
June 18th, 2014, 12:05 AM
That is the Exception. Not the rule.Exceptions make it not quite true, which is what I said.

ernie90125
June 18th, 2014, 10:33 AM
That was more than 2 years ago... The most recent thing I could find is this (which is ove a year old):

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/inside-universals-ugly-battle-creator-438617

Sorry, I had them both open and posted the earlier link by mistake.

I have emailed the journalist who promptly came back saying the case is due to go to court next month...if it's not delayed again!

Senmut
June 18th, 2014, 09:41 PM
Can we get Sire Solon?

martok2112
June 19th, 2014, 08:40 AM
Ronald D Moore, as a fan of Star Trek, had submitted the story for The Defector for TNG...and then he became a pro-writer for ST:TNG and DS9, (also producer and line producer for those shows) as well as cowriting the screenplays for Generations and First Contact. Not too shabby for a "fan". :)

cobrastrikelead
July 21st, 2014, 08:04 AM
Hope Springs eternal in the Heart of the Colonial. Thanks for keeping up the good fight, and keeping this majestic tale rumbling along. The grogs not bad either

ernie90125
July 27th, 2014, 02:20 PM
Sorry, I had them both open and posted the earlier link by mistake.

I have emailed the journalist who promptly came back saying the case is due to go to court next month...if it's not delayed again!

The case has been delayed by about another year...according to said journalist watching matters.

martok2112
July 27th, 2014, 03:18 PM
Folks, there is no "good fight". Not anymore.

Producers are going to do whatever they want to do. Their only interest is in generating money. If they get it out of the old school fans, great. If they generate tons of new viewers and fans, well, for them, that's greater.

Know why?

Old fans die. Sometimes they die simply in the sense that they refuse to step forward to the new offering. Other old fans die as in dead and buried. In any case, a dead fan (whether metaphorical or literal) is not a money spending fan.

So, the choice is:
Keep writing the same ol' fluff that attracts the old school fans, and does nothing for the modern audiences. Keep writing the same ol' fluff til the old school fans are gone, and then you're writing to thin air.

Or you can write a new version that appeals to the modern audiences. You can choose to respect the old schoolers with a couple of nods here and there, or implement the one or two elements of the old stuff that might actually be transcendent enough to extend into the modern market, but most of it is going to have to be what appeals to today's guard.

Why? 'Cause that's where the money is. The new guard.

Recently, I had the relative displeasure of watching (out of morbid curiosity) "The People vs. George Lucas". A most damning tale about the nature of fandom if ever I saw one...and further justification for my abandoning fandom. Fans think they own the very thing that they don't. "Please don't take my Star Wars awayyyy.....I wrote the next paaart." :rolleyes:

Back when I was a fan, I used to think that I had a damn good continuation for old school Galactica. But, it was a pipe dream...and I realized I had fallen into the fanboy trap. That's part of the reason why I never finished my other fan-fics. What was the point? Except to write them for myself? Ultimately, that's what you have to do is write for yourself, with the notion that it's never going to make a difference anywhere.

Fans don't decide things. Producers do.

All the fans can do is latch on and enjoy, or scream "childhood rape victim" and rage in futility and impotence until someone listens...which no one ever will.

I, as a non-fan of anything anymore, have only one requirement from Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, or The Muppet Show: Entertain me. If the movies/shows have done this, then mission accomplished, for I hold no higher standard to any one over any other.

Nowhere do I mandate that there must be some kind of fanservice done for my benefit or masturbatory fanboy pleasure.

If what I am seeing is an entirely new take on something I loved before, please, simply, entertain me.

Read my signature, folks. It helps.

Senmut
July 27th, 2014, 03:36 PM
Once more, Martok is vague and indirect. C'mon, Martok, declare yourself plainly!!!!

martok2112
July 27th, 2014, 05:16 PM
What seems to be your boggle, sir?

Senmut
July 27th, 2014, 06:06 PM
Hyperbole, sir. Hyperbole.

martok2112
July 27th, 2014, 06:19 PM
Hyperbole? pfft....balderdash.

Senmut
July 27th, 2014, 08:06 PM
Okay. How about some balderpiffle?

martok2112
July 27th, 2014, 10:58 PM
One lump, or two?

Senmut
July 28th, 2014, 01:20 AM
That was sweet of you.

137th Gebirg
July 28th, 2014, 10:33 AM
Heh...all onomatopoeia aside, that was well written, Martok. I think I came to that same conclusion myself many years ago about a number of different things but was unable to effectively verbalize it in quite the way you have. Well said!
:thumbsup::salute:

martok2112
July 28th, 2014, 04:18 PM
:salute: Thank you.




I thought two lumps would be good too....

...oh...you mean... Ah...cool...thank you. :) :salute:

Andreas
July 29th, 2014, 05:07 PM
The Legacy and Return of “Battlestar Galactica”: Room 6BCF, 10:30 a.m. Actors Richard Hatch, Luciana Carro and Jamie Bamber join Dr. Kevin Grazier (science consultant for “Battlestar Galactica”) and producer Alec Peters to discuss the new “Battlestar Galactica” movie and show the Trailer.
???? Trailer?? Concept Trailer?

Link:
http://www.ibtimes.com/comic-con-2014-schedule-dates-times-tv-panels-sdcc-1633668

Is this true? Have somebody information or saw the ''Trailer''?

137th Gebirg
July 30th, 2014, 06:54 AM
^^^ Interesting. First I've heard of this. Thought it was all still caught up in litigation hell between Larson and Universal. Sounds promising. I'll have to go digging for the trailer, provided it's not a re-showing of Hatch's old trailer from the 90's.

Darrell Lawrence
July 30th, 2014, 11:54 PM
I'm sure it was the Second Coming trailer (and probably the Magellan trailer too).

Senmut
August 21st, 2018, 10:08 PM
And still we wait...

Charybdis
August 27th, 2018, 09:49 AM
Yup...same thing is happening to the new Indiana Jones movie. First it was supposed to be out in 2019, then 2020, now 2021...sheesh...

Senmut
August 27th, 2018, 10:09 AM
Ya gotta love lawyers.....

Jayworld
August 27th, 2018, 02:24 PM
Latest from Francis Lawrence regarding the new movie is here:
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/battlestar-galactica/news/a851861/battlestar-galactica-movie-likely-gender-swapped-characters-francis-lawrence/

Dated from March of this year, here and elsewhere are signals of character "gender swapping" and nods to both the classic and GiNO versions.... Wow, imagine that. I once had a lot of hope for the franchise with the Fox telefilm continuation that was cancelled in 2001 and with Richard Hatch's Second Coming version. Now I feel Galactica as I know it and like it will be only through the DVD set and MeTV reruns on Saturday nights....sigh.

Charybdis
August 29th, 2018, 11:50 AM
Speaking of that, don't forget, Monday, Sep. 17th will be the 40th anniversary!!!

Eric Paddon
August 29th, 2018, 01:58 PM
Let's face it alas. Anytime the name "Battlestar Galactica" gets associated with any potential project it will always be for these people in reference to the other entity and will be made according to the standards and templates of the other entity. As far as I'm concerned, that's less than worthless.

Painful as it is for Galactica fans to admit this, we lost the war for what Galactica means and represents to the people who hated the original and shoved the other entity down our throats and guaranteed that "their" version would become the default meaning of what Galactica is. I accepted that sad reality long ago and it made it easier for me to move on and why I wouldn't let myself ever get enthused about any potential project again because it's not going to be what any of us, all those long years ago when fandom was at its peak in the late 90s, ever thought would happen.

ernie90125
December 18th, 2018, 05:31 PM
Jay Basu Tapped to Write ‘Battlestar Galactica’ for Universal

https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-battlestar-galactica-universal/

BST
December 18th, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jay Basu Tapped to Write ‘Battlestar Galactica’ for Universal

https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-battlestar-galactica-universal/


Hmmm.....

Rhaven Blaack
December 19th, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jay Basu Tapped to Write ‘Battlestar Galactica’ for Universal

https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-battlestar-galactica-universal/

I am willing to give it a chance. I am curious to see how it will turn out.

Charybdis
March 20th, 2019, 09:05 AM
Interesting about this news though as I was looking for more news on the proposed BSG film, is in this story...

https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/battlestar-galactica-screenwriter-jay-basu/

It says that it will be a reimagining/reboot of Glen Larson's original story/series. Perhaps there is some hope that it will sort of be faithful somewhat to the original series? We can only wait for this thing to develop some more...

Senmut
March 20th, 2019, 09:37 AM
I don't trust any "reimaginings", after what happened the last time. If this ever gets to exposing a single frame of film, it will be a travesty, just like the last one.

ernie90125
May 25th, 2019, 02:45 PM
https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/925457-exclusive-francis-lawrence-talks-battlestar-galactica-movie-more/amp

Eric Paddon
August 28th, 2019, 10:20 AM
The only reason I'm writing this is because due to the loss of four years worth of posts, something I said in this thread in response to a couple posts of Martok's on this issue of "fandom" are lost. Because an earlier post on the subject is there, I'm only providing a bit of on-the-record counterpoint.

Those who write good fanfic should not be under any illusion that their efforts will ever impress people in actual power. But at the same time, I think there is something to be said for keeping up the good fight in our own creativity and not cede the playing field to people who keep churning out, let us be blunt, utterly BAD comic book series and novels that have not a clue about the nature of the original series. I have yet to be entertained once by the garbage Dynamite Press has put out, and that's because I see people writing stories that think TOS should be filtered through a prism of GINO attitude about TOS as one-dimensional kiddie fare and where there is no understanding of what TOS fans want to see (does ANYONE really think that horrific crossover universe saga that ends with Commander Cain, under Iblis's spell killing Sheba is good TOS storytelling?). To me, it is no coincidence that the reason why Realm Press and the first two Max Press miniseries are still damned good is because they were written before GINO came along to infect every subsequent author's perception of what TOS is ultimately all about.

I don't consider it being a 'victim' to hold to these kind of standards or "falling into a fanboy trap" because I feel I can do better than these hack writers for hire at Dynamite when it comes to entertaining myself and hopefully others in the fan community who are willing to give good fanfic a try. Yes, a lot of it is to please myself but I've found it has managed to please other people too. That to me is as good a point as any to continue with a personal creative vision in a realm where officialdom has failed miserably. Ten years after I stopped writing fanfic because I thought I'd run out of ideas, I've returned to it now and am having more fun than ever.

Anyway, that's off my chest.

Senmut
September 4th, 2019, 08:40 PM
And all Paddon's People said "Amen!!!!"

martok2112
September 5th, 2019, 12:02 PM
While my views on the reimagined Battlestar Galactica have not changed (I still love that show as much as the original...difficult concept, I know), my views on Hollywood have changed a great deal over the years.

The two best movies I've seen in recent years have been Rogue One and Alita Battle Angel...

Otherwise, EVERYTHING now seems to be a remake or a reimagining....and unfortunately, for the most part, a remake or reimagining involves being "woke".... aka "politically correct", "feminazi", and full of things like "representation", "diversity", "inclusivity" and all those other Left wing buzzwords that have infested Tinsel Town for years. If someone writes a story that doesn't have enough blacks, Hispanics, or other so-designated "people of color", the story and its writer are considered racist. If a story or show does not have at least two openly gay people (who make it a point each episode or movie to remind folks that they are gay) then there's not enough "representation" and the writer and the story is considered "homophobic", "transphobic", "gender binary", etc. If the story and its writer do not present a female lead who makes all the men in the show or movie look completely incompetent or dependent on the skillset of said "Whamen", the the story and its writer are considered "misogynistic", "anti-feminist", or are considered advocates of rape culture.

I did not see this in the reimagined Galactica....and some foolishly claim that IT was the start of the whole movement for all of the above. Sorry, but tis not the case. If it were, the show would be considered racist for taking a black man who was a strong supporting character in the original, and turning him into a white alcoholic in the reimagining. Neither the original, nor the reimagining can be accused of a lack of diversity or being misogynistic because both had multiple ethnicities and colors, and strong female characters....and very rarely in either case did women require rescuing by the men. The original series (at least, the pilot episode/movie) could not be accused of being gender binary or "transphobic" because they did have one species that was both male and female (leaning toward "identifying as female"). About the only thing that the original show could be "accused" of by the Social Justice Warriors (SJW's) of today is "lacking representation of people of "other sexual orientations"...so they would likely call the show "homophobic". Also, those same SJW's would likely accuse the reimagined series of "playing it safe" because gay representation came in the form of two fairly hot chicks (Admiral Cain and Gina) having a somewhat lesbian thing. (SJWs accuse Frank Herbert of being homophobic because he made the main bad guy, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, who is homosexual, a fat, diseased, murderous sexual deviant.)


Ghostbusters 2016 bombed because it was a poorly written story, and featured an all-female GB team who were largely unattractive to look at, and the males were made to be incompetent or simply dick-ish..and the "story", if you can call it that, comes across more like some kind of prolonged improv.

Lots of folks are really pissed off at Disney Lucasfilm because of the direction that the sequel trilogy has taken. The only Star Wars movie that has had a male lead in any of the Disney offerings has been "Solo: A Star Wars Story", and people boycotted it because of their feelings toward The Last Jedi. While I enjoyed The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, my enjoyment was not without a lot of reservations. Those movies left me wanting, did not do true respect to the Legacy characters, and really just felt like footnotes as opposed to any kind of Episode in a ongoing saga.

I think the Story movies (Rogue One and Solo) far outstripped the sequel trilogy thus far, and Rogue One is my all time favorite Star Wars film. Why? Because it is a WAR movie. Yes, it has a very hot female lead, but she is not what people would call a "Mary Sue" (to use the fanfic vernacular).

Ok..enoof on that, let's get back to the point: I once felt that people who clung on to the past by exclusively, and with extreme prejudice, writing a lot of fanfic about the original versions of their beloved properties (Battlestar Galactica) whilst eschewing any other version that did not fall into lock step with the settings and motif of the original were indeed just butt-hurt fanboys, but that is because I had been told by both sides of the fandom (both the original hardcore fans and the prospective fans of the reimagined show--sight unseen) that I had to choose a side...that I was not allowed to like and/or support both shows. So, I chose a side.....MY side, and I dropped fandom like the bad habit it still is. I still like to read such fanfics, because indeed they are of very high quality. It's the self-righteous attitudes behind some of them that give them a bad flavor. Yes, I wrote the long-forgotten Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus, but I did not write it with any kind of "I DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY BATTLESTAR GALACTICA"... I just wrote it because of my longer familiarity with the classic show. Same thing with when I do CG model builds.... I mostly stick with the original versions, because they are the ones I am most familiar with....not because of some "aversion" to the newer takes. (Although I do find the U.S.S. Discovery to be a very uninspired design for a Federation starship.)

Why do I say it is still a bad habit? Because, there are toxic asshats out there who spew the following: "What?! You liked Star Trek 2009?! You don't know felgercarb about Star Trek!" (which is a rich thing to say to someone who has loved Star Trek for forty-five out of his fifty years of life on this planet). Yes, I LOVED the Kelvin era movies, but I despise Star Trek Discovery which was SJW front-loaded from pre-production. "What?! You liked The Last Jedi?! You ain't no true Star Wars fan!" Sorry, but again, rich thing to say to someone who has loved Star Wars for most of his life. Also, the thing is, with some of these people, it does not matter if you tell them "I liked The Last Jedi, but......". All they hear are the first five words.... nothing afterward. They hear those first five words, all of the sudden they declare you an SJW, Disney shill! (Although, in the broader sense, they would be technically correct..because, again, I am NOT a fan of anything, anymore, because of people like THEM.

So, since 2003, thanks to the childish fan wars over Battlestar Galactica, I have had little to no reason to return to fandom, because the attitude is largely still the same. I still love those things (Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, StarGate, Harry Potter, etc...most things involved in pop-culture), I still love to talk with fans about our common love of these pop-cuture icons, I still obtain collectibles when I can, I still do fan anmations and CG model builds, I just am not a fan of those icons anymore. Being a fan has become a badge of dishonor in my eyes.

I do agree with a lot of fans about the way Hollywood is frakking up our favorite franchises, with diseased SJW infestation in the constantly dying creative process. Star Wars, Star Trek, GhostBusters, etc., have taken a nose dive because of SJW demands that have somehow been given overwhelmingly undue power and influence. Where I disagree with a lot of those fans is when they disallow for someone like myself, being possessed of independent thought, to like what I wish to like, even if I recognize the many flaws and pitfalls of the things they may despise. It's the whole "with us or against us" mentality that keeps me from wanting to even consider considering (sic) returning to the ranks of fandom. I stand apart (though occasionally allied) with fandom, much in the way Han Solo stood apart yet allied with the Rebellion. I still do not, to this day, believe that the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica was anything like the trash being put out today.

Eric Paddon
September 5th, 2019, 01:29 PM
For the record, I have never been on the side of advocating that one's subjective reactions to any end product was something someone should be attacked for. All of us old enough to remember the name Languatron have a permanent reminder of what *real* obsessed "fandom" at its worst, leads to. If I still choose to believe subjectively that GINO was a horrible end product that also on an objective level caused permanent damage to the reputation and value of what TOS represented that is a POV that does not carry with it the casting of aspersions on people who liked the other show. If viewing enjoyment is derived from it by anyone, that is their business. But neither however, is holding a POV about what the existence of that show meant to the reputation of TOS, a sign of over-obsessive fandom.

I will maintain to my dying day that if TOS fandom had been rewarded with a continuation/closure movie that ended the storyline of TOS in a way we could have been happy with and THEN, five years later a guy named Ron Moore does what he did, hardly any of us would have cared. We might have still called it a bad idea and disliked it, *but* it would not have carried with it the deeper underlying issues of decades of faith not being rewarded and hopes for something that had helped make Galactica fandom a close-knit group for so long, dashed forever. Trek fans who love the original series and hate everything else that followed can't relate to that in the same way because original Trek went as far as it could possibly go with a movie series with the original cast. The emergence of new properties didn't deny them a thing. With our fanbase, we have received little to none in the way of true rewards for our patience. We had a brief shining moment in comic books in the mid-90s that sadly went off the rails, but that would be it. Hatch's novels failed to gain traction with the fanbase because they simply are hopelessly off in terms of remembering basic things that most fanfic writers are capable of grasping. The less said about Dynamite, the better.

Ultimately, if the failure to see our faith rewarded in official projects motivates me to say, "I can do better than that!" I view it as channeling negative energy into something positive. And if respect is merited for fans who like GINO and can look past the circumstances of how it came to be and what it meant (what a lot of us regard a bad flavor), then at the same time we can read fanfic and look past whatever subliminal context motivates a fanfic writer's motives and just judge the story on its own merits. That's all that counts from my standpoint.

martok2112
September 5th, 2019, 02:26 PM
This is good discussion....especially in the context of the current day.

For the record, I have never been on the side of advocating that one's subjective reactions to any end product was something someone should be attacked for. All of us old enough to remember the name Languatron have a permanent reminder of what *real* obsessed "fandom" at its worst, leads to. If I still choose to believe subjectively that GINO was a horrible end product that also on an objective level caused permanent damage to the reputation and value of what TOS represented that is a POV that does not carry with it the casting of aspersions on people who liked the other show. If viewing enjoyment is derived from it by anyone, that is their business. But neither however, is holding a POV about what the existence of that show meant to the reputation of TOS, a sign of over-obsessive fandom.
Ach...oy...yes....Langy. Now there was a guy who gave classic Galactica fans who were opposed to the reimagining a very bad name in the public eye. I never had any interaction with this person, thank God, but I was all too aware of his insane ramblings.

Yes, we should all be free to (healthily) like and dislike what we will without any thought of repercussions by others who think oppositely. If anything, good friendly, spirited debate should spring from differing points of view. Those days seem like a century ago.

I always respect those who loved the original Galactica, because I, too, love the original show. I draw the line when they tell me "you like a show that was made by a**holes, for a**holes." I certainly have never told them that they "like a show that was made for young kids". (I got sick of that rhetoric from the more toxic, pre-formed reimagining fans.) I would never dream of it because I loved that show. It rounded out my sci-fi weekends in 1978. (Starting on Saturday mornings with Jason of Star Command, catching whatever Trek, Space:1999, Lost In Space, or other sci-fi shows I could in reruns during the day, and then capping off with Galactica on Sunday nights.)

Despite my aversion to the show, I respect people who like Star Trek Discovery, so long as they like it for legitimate reasons: those being that they've actually seen the show, and appreciate the show for its storytelling, its characters, and its production values. If they're shilling to regurgitate SJW buzzwords and notions, then I dismiss them because nine times out of ten, they are people who do not watch the show...they are simply making some fool hearty stand for nothing burger issues about Social Justice because they heard from some other source that the show espouses SJW ideologies.) Personally, I've seen enough of the show to know that overall, I do not like it, although I did like the classic Enterprise redesign (as much as I love the Kelvin era redesign, I do think STD got it much closer to right with their iteration).

I will maintain to my dying day that if TOS fandom had been rewarded with a continuation/closure movie that ended the storyline of TOS in a way we could have been happy with and THEN, five years later a guy named Ron Moore does what he did, hardly any of us would have cared. We might have still called it a bad idea and disliked it, *but* it would not have carried with it the deeper underlying issues of decades of faith not being rewarded and hopes for something that had helped make Galactica fandom a close-knit group for so long, dashed forever. Trek fans who love the original series and hate everything else that followed can't relate to that in the same way because original Trek went as far as it could possibly go with a movie series with the original cast. The emergence of new properties didn't deny them a thing. With our fanbase, we have received little to none in the way of true rewards for our patience. We had a brief shining moment in comic books in the mid-90s that sadly went off the rails, but that would be it. Hatch's novels failed to gain traction with the fanbase because they simply are hopelessly off in terms of remembering basic things that most fanfic writers are capable of grasping. The less said about Dynamite, the better.

I completely agree with this statement, Eric. Yes, I too believe that had we gotten someting closer to the original that we remembered as kids, whilst updating just enough to appeal to the adult in us that wanted a bit more mature storytelling without going overboard, then the negative impact of the arrival of the reimagining would have been drastically less on those who would disagree with the motif of the show. What you said about Star Trek is bang-on, and something I have tried to tell the more self-righteous Star Trek fans....the new stuff denies them nothing. They both make some acknowledgement of the original, whilst going their own way. Also, thanks to DVD and blu-ray, fans of the old-school stuff can watch it any time they wish.

Back on the point of remakes and continuations: Nostalgia is a tricky business. How to appeal to nostalgia without seeming like it is just plastered haphazardly all over the place just to trigger 'membah-berries. It's a balancing act...just like over the top visual effects, nostalgia is something you have to balance with good story telling, and compelling characters, otherwise it is just a big, toothy-smiling husk of its former self.

Ultimately, if the failure to see our faith rewarded in official projects motivates me to say, "I can do better than that!" I view it as channeling negative energy into something positive. And if respect is merited for fans who like GINO and can look past the circumstances of how it came to be and what it meant (what a lot of us regard a bad flavor), then at the same time we can read fanfic and look past whatever subliminal context motivates a fanfic writer's motives and just judge the story on its own merits. That's all that counts from my standpoint.

I agree here, again, in the current day. The way that Hollywood is degrading our favorite properties, yes, it does seem to fall to the fans to maintain the original spirit of things like Star Wars and Star Trek. I have always said it is amazing to me, the tools available to Joe/Jane-Average-Filmmaker, to make productions that are practically on par with modest Hollywood films. The ability of fan film makers to make BSG, Star Trek, and Star Wars fan films that pretty much rival current day big screen offerings is beyond extraordinary. Fanfic writers can indeed write stories that blow away the current crop of Hollywood drivel, thanks to the memory of what was, and balancing it out with contemporary sensibility to maintain the appeal of what we loved before. Yes, there are some reimagining fans of a sensible bent out there who do recognize the denial that classic fans received in terms of a true continuation for Galactica, and believe me, they are empathetic.

I have always felt (and seen) that the classics can often receive an all-new appreciation because of someone's introduction to a given property via a remake or reimagining. Classic Trek got a major boost in appeal to a new generation of fans because of the Kelvin era films. I see that as nothing less than win/win. The same thing for Battlestar Galactica. A lot of people I know who had never seen the original show, was turned onto the original via the reimagining...and they've come to appreciate both shows for their differences, and can see why some classic fans were beyond heartbroken that they never got the continuation that Trek and Wars fans got.
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Senmut
September 6th, 2019, 02:27 PM
^THIS^
For me, the worst part of the whole nuBSG thing was neither the "reimagining", nor the warping of the characters and motivations, as nauseating as I personally found them to be. It was RDM's dismissive condescension towards the fans. The "your popcorn's in another aisle" slap pretty well sealed it for me. The fans are, after all, the one's who ultimately pay the bills, by buying the tickets/tuning in. And to treat millions of BSG fans, a generation of fans, like they were annoying, slightly retarded children, or yapping dogs, was totally without justification.
Do I need to say more?

martok2112
September 6th, 2019, 04:12 PM
Respectful counterpoint:

To be honest, I never saw the phrase: "Your popcorn is in another aisle" as an insult to the fans.

Were the reimagined show to have been some kind of big screen release (as the original series' pilot was), popcorn would likely have been consumed. What do we do when we go to the movies? Get popcorn. Does it matter which movie we're watching? No.

Captain Marvel is playing, but you came to see Alita Battle Angel (the more superior film, btw)? Your popcorn is in another aisle.

I also recall hearing Ron Moore actually responding to a question that asked if a certain element in an episode was a nod back to the classic show, and his first words were something like: "I really wish I could wave the fan banner for that one, but...."

He acknowledged that at its heart, the original Galactica had a very powerful premise. I think Moore gave the original show a bit more credit for being a good show than some fans here give him credit for acknowledging the qualities of the original.

Now, contrast this with the way Disney/LFL and Disney/Marvel have been treating fans of Star Wars and the Marvel Cinematic Universe/Marvel Comics. D/LFL and D/M have been extremely condescending and dismissive of the fans than Ronald D. Moore was ever perceived to be.

The showrunners/producers/writers/directors/actors of pretty much any new movie or show that remakes/reimagines earlier original iterations or which twists the ongoing narrative of certain long lived properties (The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, Captain Marvel, GhostBusters 2016, Oceans 8) or upcoming shows and films like Batwoman, Terminator: Dark Fate, etc...the showrunners and associates will verbally attack the fans who show any backlash toward these productions. They will accuse the fans of being Alt-Right, misogyinistic, racist, homophobic, Islamaphobic, transphobic, as well as actually saying (without mincing their words) that the old-school fans no longer matter.

They accuse the old fans of being scared of portrayals of powerful and empowered female leads or supporting characters.

They couldn't be more wrong. We have loved characters like Princess Leia Organa, Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Lara Croft, Padme Amidala, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, etc, for decades. They were all examples of empowered women who did not look down on their male compatriots, and in fact, relied on their male compatriots help (whether they'd admit it or not).

Now you have a movie like Terminator: Dark Fate coming out which is all "Whamen". Where is John Connor in all this? Why does Arnie's Terminator role seem drastically reduced? (and not just because of his age). You have a show like Batwoman getting ready to hit the CW which has been releasing trailer after trailer of cringe-worthy "feminazi" propaganda. "I never let a man take credit for a woman's work." (when she clearly has stolen everything Bruce Wayne/Batman ever had to make her pathetic self effective). Disney recently released an animated micro-series on YouTube called "Star Wars Galaxy of Adventures" and in one episode they completely redefine Princess Leia as a blood-thirsty war leader who despises men and apparently does not need them. I'm sure you've seen pics of LFL CEO Kathleen Kennedy sporting a tee-shirt that says: "The Force Is Female" alongside three other women.

I stopped watching the CW series version of Supergirl because it has extremely far Left leaning narratives....and they made no bones about it.

You have the upcoming "Thor: Love and Thunder" in which apparently Thor gives his powers over to Jane Foster (Natalie Portman). You have She-Hulk which is in the throes of early pre-production where the SJWs are demanding that her origins be changed (so that she "stands on her own", rather than being created as a result of the kindness of her cousin, Bruce Banner.)

Critics were extremely dismissive of the film Alita: Battle Angel. They accused the film's fans of being Alt-Right, and thought that Alita was somehow over-sexualized. What?!!! Alita is a positive role-model, as was Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman, and the critics call them Alt-Right and oversexualized?

They want to accuse US of being misogynistic? LMAO! That's the nature of the Left: Have all these poor qualities of humanity, and deflect and deny by "virtue signaling" (where they truly have no virtue to begin with) and by saying that normal people are the ones who possess these sickening traits. They are the ones who call evil good, and good evil.

By contrast, Ron Moore's popcorn comment pales (by a multitude of shades) in comparison to the vehement condescension and accusatory remarks being hurled at fans by Disney/Lucasfilm and Disney/Marvel, and any other production company that has succumbed to SJW influence.

Eric Paddon
September 6th, 2019, 04:20 PM
This is good discussion....especially in the context of the current day.

I'm glad you think so and glad that we've been able to restore what I felt was a good tone of discussion we had that got lost in the big list crash.

I think the one point I have to disagree on whether the Moore thing started some of the later trends you spoke of, and because you mentioned the example as proving the opposite, is that the reimagining of Tigh I felt did play to them. Tigh was now a dislikable and dysfunctional character so all of a sudden that seemed to mean he had to be white bread rather than black because only someone white should be that dislikably dysfunctional. That was how that came off to me when I was forcing myself to watch the first season (the only season I did sit through way back when). I also was predicting how Commander Cain would be reimagined and that too I saw was borne out because once again, just like with Starbuck we couldn't have the old-fashioned male hero of renown anywhere in Moore's universe. To me, Moore made it safe for the SJW trends you're describing in other properties with what he started with Starbuck and then continued with Cain. He may not be a primary cause of it, but he's certainly a forerunner of it from my standpoint.

And I can not unfortunately agree with the argument that Moore was being more conciliatory to the old show. I listened to his commentary tracks and I heard a lot of wrong information that was making me throw things at the screen and a fundamental misperception of the show's underpinnings. I have also read his comments in that recent oral history book that covers the history of both shows and my view of him personally is as strongly negative as it was before since he *really* gets venemous about the fanbase there (and even gets ticked off at Glen Larson for being ticked off regarding Larson's suit to get credit for the pilot screenplay and then using pseudonyms.)

martok2112
September 6th, 2019, 04:33 PM
Let's look at the SJW/Leftist buzzwords of "inclusivity" and "representation".

Take a movie like Star Trek Beyond (my favorite all time Star Trek film). Even though the film had this misguided notion of honoring George Takei by making the character Sulu gay, the way in which they handled both on and off screen was admirable enough. They never front-loaded with a bunch of SJW propaganda, and they kept Sulu's homosexuality down to thirty seconds (if that). He sees his little girl, Demora, goes to embrace her, and walks off with his partner, another man, arms around each other...and that's it. Otherwise, the story goes right back to Sulu being a competent, loyal and capable StarFleet officer. Nothing further is mentioned. Even George Takei himself balked at the misplaced honor, stating that he always saw Roddenberry's version of Sulu as straight (and he was portrayed as such in the original series and even in the first six movies).

Contrast this with Star Trek Discovery: Up front, the showrunners and actors were pushing the "selling point" that two of their major supporting characters were openly gay, and would explore their relationship. They also act as if the character, Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green), is the first black and/or female of prominence in Star Trek.

They push these narratives in the misbegotten names of "diversity", "inclusivity", and "representation". Little do they realize or even remember that Star Trek was always about "diversity", "inclusivity", and "representation"....the original Trek and its follow up shows and movies just never made big virtue signals out of those traits. Nowadays, however, a show must push those appropriated virtues to the forefront of their narratives to try and force change on a world that is trying to change at its own pace.

The "tolerant" and "inclusive" Left are nothing of the sort. They are the most intolerant, racist, misogynistic, -phobic, and hypocritical beings on the planet....but, as always, they deflect and cast the shade of those traits by accusing normal people of being the very things that the Left/SJWs are.

martok2112
September 6th, 2019, 04:53 PM
I'm glad you think so and glad that we've been able to restore what I felt was a good tone of discussion we had that got lost in the big list crash.

I think the one point I have to disagree on whether the Moore thing started some of the later trends you spoke of, and because you mentioned the example as proving the opposite, is that the reimagining of Tigh I felt did play to them. Tigh was now a dislikable and dysfunctional character so all of a sudden that seemed to mean he had to be white bread rather than black because only someone white should be that dislikably dysfunctional. That was how that came off to me when I was forcing myself to watch the first season (the only season I did sit through way back when).



Yes, this is good and healthy discourse. It is something that has been lost in recent years with fan-wars over other properties.

I think, looking back at the time, no one really would have raised a stink if Tigh had been kept as a black man, but retained the traits that encompassed the reimagined Tigh (alcoholic, disagreeable). Had Tigh been written that way in this not-so-distant day and age (black, alcoholic, disagreeable), the SJWs would have been in an uproar. The writers would have been accused of being racist, stereotyping the black male.



I also was predicting how Commander Cain would be reimagined and that too
I saw was borne out because once again, just like with Starbuck we couldn't have the old-fashioned male hero of renown anywhere in Moore's universe. To me, Moore made it safe for the SJW trends you're describing in other properties with what he started with Starbuck and then continued with Cain. He may not be a primary cause of it, but he's certainly a forerunner of it from my standpoint.

And I can not unfortunately agree with the argument that Moore was being more conciliatory to the old show. I listened to his commentary tracks and I heard a lot of wrong information that was making me throw things at the screen and a fundamental misperception of the show's underpinnings. I have also read his comments in that recent oral history book that covers the history of both shows and my view of him personally is as strongly negative as it was before since he *really* gets venemous about the fanbase there (and even gets ticked off at Glen Larson for being ticked off regarding Larson's suit to get credit for the pilot screenplay and then using pseudonyms.)

I can honestly see how a lot of folks would indeed at least indirectly attribute the origin of the sad state of affairs in Hollywood today with the reimagined show 16 years ago. (God, has it been that long?! Where's my walker?) Yes, I can agree that if they wanted more empowered female characters in the spotlight, they should have just dreamt up new characters to work alongside/against the male versions of Starbuck, Boomer, and Cain. For myself, I was not interested in seeing an SJW narrative get pushed (I am the last person on Earth who would ever want to see that, and until more recent years, I never even saw or heard of a Social Justice Warrior). I was simply interested in the different take on those characters. (Also, it did help that they were pretty easy on the eye. :) ) But yes, the male hero of renown is something that is especially balked at in the current day and age. Such a character would be considered as possessed of "toxic masculinity". (Why do you think they are changing up the nature of 007 for the next film? Daniel Craig's James Bond will be yielding the designation, position and status of 007 to a black female because SJWs have thrown major shade on the character of James Bond for being toxically masculine, and supposedly racist....for all these decades...gasp...horror. How dare the 007 movies adhere to the essence of James Bond...classy, stylish, capable, stunning, charming, disarming, acerbic when necessary... for so long? Bond, nor the movies were ever racist.)

I never listened to the commentaries by Ronald Moore on the Blu-Ray set. I listened to his commentary on the miniseries DVD, and did not hear a lot of the condescension that supposedly permeates the commentary sections of the series itself. As a newly forged non-fan at the time (because of the toxicity of both sides of the childish fan-war), I was disinclined to listen to those commentaries. I just wanted to watch the show. Behind the scenes tech-stuff, I could watch. I wasn't interested in personal motivations back then.

However, today, you can't even escape those things. They are thrown up in your face... and any backlash against them (largely seen on YouTube) results often in demonetization, censorship, deplatforming...and sometimes even doxxing of those who oppose the current trends in Hollywood.

Eric Paddon
September 7th, 2019, 09:12 AM
I think, looking back at the time, no one really would have raised a stink if Tigh had been kept as a black man, but retained the traits that encompassed the reimagined Tigh (alcoholic, disagreeable). Had Tigh been written that way in this not-so-distant day and age (black, alcoholic, disagreeable), the SJWs would have been in an uproar. The writers would have been accused of being racist, stereotyping the black male.

The public reaction I don't think ever would have been much then or now. But Moore seemed to reflect a view borne out of typical white-liberal-guilt syndrome that he just *had* to do it this way to make himself feel better.

Yes, I can agree that if they wanted more empowered female characters in the spotlight, they should have just dreamt up new characters to work alongside/against the male versions of Starbuck, Boomer, and Cain.

And in this case, Moore's total unfamiliarity with the series (where he said he'd watched only the cut pilot and one episode in 25 years) made him completely ignorant of the character of Sheba. Indeed, this is something I notice a lot when people give their assessments of TOS and are critical of it. They often are relying on the theatrical cut of the pilot because for many years in the 80s and into the 90s that was the *only* thing about TOS you could have easy access to. Consequently, when I see the brushoffs of TOS about it treating the subject lightly or this instinctive view of Starbuck as the perpetual Casanova who never matured over the course the series, I realize that these people have formed their entire impression on a false read of the series (Boxey's prominence in the pilot also makes them exaggerate the amount of time he and Muffit had in the series as a whole). This is why they're clueless about Sheba, or about even big dramatic moments that are not in the theatrical cut version like the Athena-Starbuck locker scene or Adama's lonely musing after the fleeing of the Colonies.

(Why do you think they are changing up the nature of 007 for the next film? Daniel Craig's James Bond will be yielding the designation, position and status of 007 to a black female because SJWs have thrown major shade on the character of James Bond for being toxically masculine, and supposedly racist....for all these decades...gasp...horror. How dare the 007 movies adhere to the essence of James Bond...classy, stylish, capable, stunning, charming, disarming, acerbic when necessary... for so long? Bond, nor the movies were ever racist.)

I forced myself to watch all the Craig Bond movies once and they are terrible. I never saw a worse actor in the part and the scripts were awful one to the next (and a BIG mistake that also is a sign of today's SJW trends was the insistence on keeping Judi Dench as M and exaggerating her role way out of proportion. Dench was great as a foil for Pierce Brosnan. In the Craig films she was a distraction of epic proportions. If you want to reboot Bond as a character start with a traditional M and Moneypenny already in place and not take three films to get to them!)

The Gal Godot Wonder Woman movie I saw had a lot of promise but was done in alas by needless PC concessions. On the plus side it retained the traditional telling of romance between WW and Steve Trevor (instead of going for the lesbian undercurrent that is more faddish today). But because Hollywood doesn't want to be pro-America they decided the story couldn't be World War II, where the pro-America flag-waving of the original (and which was also in the Lynda Carter series) was vital to the character. So instead we get it reset from a "good war" to World War I, though the writers were profoundly ignorant of the fact that World War I was being fought mostly by idealistic believers in the notion of "War to End All Wars" and "Make The World Safe For Democracy" (the idea that Trevor, who is not a veteran of the Western Front would hold such weary cynical sentiments is absurd). And of course we had to get the token Native American in Trevor's group to give us a momentary discourse on how bad America was to his people (and never mind that Native Americans who fought in their country's service in the military were the last people likely to utter such sentiment). The tragedy is that Godot was damned good in the part and a worthy heir to Lynda Carter.

martok2112
September 7th, 2019, 03:49 PM
Yes, Gal Gadot is a very worthy successor to Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman.

We definitely have some different viewpoints. I personally loved the Craig-era Bond films... Casino Royale and Skyfall were the best. Quantum of Solace was largely forgettable, and Spectre was pretty good. Actually, of all the 007 films I've seen, I have to say, Skyfall is my all time favorite.

The SJW stuff really has to hit me in the face in order for me to have aversions to a movie or show. What turned me off to not even wanting to watch Captain Marvel was actress Brie Larson's constant virtue signaling and feminazi agenda....her "wokeness" that she kept touting at every opportunity. Her off-camera virtue signaling killed any interest I could otherwise have potentially had for CM. Thankfully, her appearance in Avengers Endgame was kept to a minimum.....but there was one scene in the climactic battle that damn near killed the battle (and the movie itself) for me. It is a foreshadow of the very dismal future we face with the Marvel Cinematic Universe in Phase IV.

I will agree that I think they should've kept Wonder Woman's origins in World War II instead of going all the way back to WWI. I am, however, very anxious to see Wonder Woman 1984. (I just hope that, if she ends up taking a dip at some point in the movie, they do NOT put her in that ridiculous, all-concealing blue-dive outfit that always ticked me off whenever Lynda Carter had to go for a swim as Wonder Woman.)

When it comes to Disney Star Wars, here's my stance:
-The "Story" movies far outstrip the Sequels thus far. (Both the Story films take place in the Galactic Civil War era...Rebels vs Empire...my favorite era in the SWUniverse.) Rogue One is my all time favorite Star Wars movie. To paraphrase Kevin Smith (whom I otherwise do not put a lot of stock in when it comes to Star Wars): "Rogue One puts the WAR back in Star Wars!" Rogue One is unapologetically a war film. It shows a Rebel Alliance that wasn't always squeaky clean and above board. It shows some of the horrors of war (within PG-13 and Star Wars standards). It is not so much about the broader scope of the Rebel Alliance vs the Galactic Empire as it is about the little guy/gal who gets caught up in the fervor of the GCW. Whereas Episodes I-VI tended to sort of romanticize war, I felt that Rogue One showed its much uglier and unwanted side.

-The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi....both of those movies, whilst enjoyable to me, really left me wanting. The sequel characters just aren't as compelling as those with whom we grew up during the original trilogy. Rey, for whatever reason, seems to be able to do everything at least as well as, if not better than the Legacy characters. She comes by her Force powers with little to no effort or training. She is admired or loved by pretty much everyone...except perhaps Luke. By definition, Rey is a Mary Sue. She does have plenty of flaws, but they do not offset her unexplained abilities with The Force. Her ferocity as a fighter, yes, that can be explained....but not (at least yet) her inexplicable abilities with The Force, and using a lightsaber. The Last Jedi throws EVERYTHING for a loop, and does disrespect some of the Legacy characters (like Admiral Ackbar who was killed off with no more fanfare than a disposable Rebel trooper in the original Star Wars)....just so they can bring a "Whaman" into the spotlight in the form of V.Adm Holdo (Laura Dern) who just seems to come from out of nowhere, looking like a Gender Studies professor at (insert the Leftist college of your choice). Personally, I didn't mind so much what was done with Luke Skywalker. Lots of fans call him "Jake Skywalker" because of his diminished status and stature in the SW Universe, and I can empathize with them over that. Even Mark Hamill was extremely dissatisfied with the portrayal of Luke in TLJ. However, I did not see those things. I still saw the smarmy, bantery Luke that I knew from the OT...and the way that he was setting about to instruct Rey in their first lesson had me laughing. To me, that just seemed like something Luke would do, even if he were still the swashbuckling Jedi knight of Return of the Jedi.

Yes, there were a LOT of missed opportunities with the Sequel films, and sadly, those opportunities may never rise again, due to the death of Han Solo, the passing of our beloved Carrie Fisher (who apparently will still appear in The Rise of SKywalker thanks to some unused footage from The Force Awakens), and now the death of Luke Skywalker. I am not overly enthused about Episode IX..... at this point, I can only see it as big screen Damage Control, rather than think about it being a Star Wars film to be experienced.

Eric Paddon
September 7th, 2019, 08:27 PM
Craig rubbed me the wrong way from the very beginning as Bond. And the plots were just way too muddled, especially with the lame attempt to establish some kind of story arc over all of the films that never held together. Bond was going "rogue" too many times and we were also seeing him go from "not yet a double-oh" (which made his closeness to M really ridiculous) to virtual retirement in too short a span.

Not being a fan of Craig, this fan-created spoof of a "Casino Royale" trailer done in the style of the 1967 "Casino Royale" just has me busting a gut every time I see it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GsLPDSfTY

I haven't seen any of the SW or Marvel Universe stuff because I prefer to let my SW memories stay uncontaminated. (I even got well-done Blu-Ray boots of the original trilogy cuts to serve as my viewing copies). In general I am completely divorced from today's pop culture (the Gadot Wonder Woman was one of my once in a blue moon exception viewings) and I feel better for it.

Of late, in my fanfic writing, I've been having fun trying to "cast" certain early 80s performers in parts that have become more prominent in my writing because it makes it easier to envision in the mind when writing if there's a certain performer who *could* have done an early 80s Galactica project. Somehow once that's done its easier to envision a film that "might" have been even if its forever just in my imagination.

martok2112
September 8th, 2019, 01:30 AM
In writing any kind of story, be it original or fanfic, we go with what we know. We go with what suits our story the best. If that means sticking with the actors from the past because we knew them well enough (because we wanted to know them), then that's what it takes. It helps facilitate the creative flow.

When I write an original or a fanfic (which I have not done since trying to complete Galactica: The Last Battlestar....both it and Battlestar Galactica: Reciprocity still need to be finished), it is easier to stick with the original actors. With The Last Battlestar, which is a mix of worlds between both the classic and imagined universes, I envision actors/actresses from both shows....and when it comes to the actors/characters from the reimagined show, trust me, they are nothing like they are portrayed in that show...they are much more in line with the original series' spirit. They look exactly like they do from the new show, but their characters are vastly different.

When I write originals, I go strictly with faces, whether they are old actors or new generation actors. The bodies are the shell....if I know the actors well enough, old or new, I will try to write according to what I may know about them...otherwise they are husks awaiting new souls in the form of my story.

Trust me, you're not missing much with much of the new Disney Star Wars, although I would highly recommend Rogue One. Among even those who hate most of the Disney LFL SW films, Rogue One is generally considered a favorite.

Something that really irks a lot of fans about the new Star Wars films is how Disney has restructured its canon. Now, I have never considered the Expanded Universe stories canon, and neither did Lucas, nor Lucasfilm before Papa George sold it to Disney. Certain elements outside of the movies were indeed considered canon....such as the Star Wars Radio Plays (which I love immensely), and a couple of the video games as well...The Force Unleashed, I do believe was granted canon status. When Disney bought LFL, they immediately started claiming Star Wars as absolutely their very own. They relegated the EU stories (comics, novels, reference materials) to "Legends" status, which solidifies their non-canon status. Disney LFL has been known to cherry pick from the Legends/EU stories though.... example: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Captaina Pellaeon, the star destroyer Chimaera, Rukh, the TIE Defender have been given canon status, as Timothy Zahn, the creator of those characters and other elements had been asked to write new stories for them in the Disney canon....and its probably the only stuff that even Disney LFL haters agree is worth reading/watching. (All of the above have also appeared in the canon animated series "Star Wars Rebels").

Disney LFL is engaged in some very insidious marketing when it comes to Star Wars. All the old Marvel and Dark Horse comics and the Expanded Universe novels and comics have been relegated to Legends status, as have The Force Unleashed games. New comics, video games, novels, and shows released under Disney are considered canon. However, what this has done is allowed the writers of the new Star Wars movies (well, the Sequels, anyway) to write very sloppily. Things that are possibly vague, or misunderstood in Eps VII or VIII can suddenly gain clarification if you buy this particular new comic or novel. The ONLY time that a movie's story point should even be clarified in another medium is with a novel tie-in of that film itself.... not in some loosely related side novel or comic. It is a plan that, while insidious, is also proving filled with pitfalls for Disney LFL as their new comics and novels are not selling very well. Disney knows that the fans want the Legacy characters, and direct continuations (or more stories from their heyday as heroes) as relate to them....and not some mysterious rise of an incompetent offshoot of the Empire (The First Order), or the less than compelling good guys like Poe Dameron, Rey, Finn, Rose Tico, etc. Therefore, Disney is now scrambling to try and push more OT/PT material, especially into their Sequel properties.

Eric Paddon
September 8th, 2019, 10:19 AM
I probably wasn't clear enough about how it's only new characters where I play the "casting" game to go alongside the original series actors. I've done this thing before with other fanfic properties and it helps for me that I've seen so much classic TV from the late 50s to early 80s that my mind automatically has a sense of who viable names are for what kind of parts if this were a theoretical 1982 production starring Hatch, Greene, Bridges etc. The only time I've done a mental "recast" is the Pegasus executive officer, Colonel Tolen who was played by a small part actor with few overall credits.

And one other amendment I would like to make regarding Galactica comics. Today, for the first time I discovered what Realm Press was trying to do in 1999-2000 which I was completely unaware of since I thought they were done after 98. What I read in just two issues (apparently all they did) just blew me away and makes me want to cry when I think of how that effort got sidetracked before it had a chance to take off and instead we got stuck with Dynamite's stuff. What Realm was planning is the way Galactica *should* be done in the comics.

Re: Star Wars. The radio plays I enjoyed too although I felt ROTJ didn't expand things as fully as I would have liked (though I grant it was a miracle they were able to reassemble almost everyone after 13 years). Marvel Comics I read back in the day between the first two films but overall the broader Star Wars projects never grabbed me because the problem was that with the films having this cliffhanger quality to them, I knew that any other property wasn't going to address the things I was more anxious to know about. I can only imagine how much more of a jumbled mess everything is on. Perhaps on some level, what SW fans are going through is what we might have gone through had there been a second season of Galactica according to that awful Larson memo that would have killed Sheba off and turned Cain into some Cylon replicant. That to me is more horrible to imagine than even G80 which is more easy to dismiss.

I used to be a little more involved in Trek novels and comics in the days before my total negative reaction to Star Trek IV ultimately drove me away from Trek fandom and confined me to just TOS and movies up to Wrath of Khan (I'd rather Spock had stayed dead). "Yesterday's Son" and it's sequel novel by A.C. Crispin remain my favorite Trek novels. The novels explaining Khan's background didn't interest me much but I did pick up the last one that covers the story between Space Seed and Wrath of Khan and the death of McGivers (and even though the wraparound stuff of Kirk is post-Trek IV it at least does fill in a gap for me there because WOK's one big flaw is that we never see Kirk and Khan face to face nor do we ever see Kirk have a moment's contemplation on his own responsibility for what Khan has become)

martok2112
September 8th, 2019, 10:42 AM
I agree about RotJ Radio Play. It was only six episodes, so it only had a few minutes of expansion, whereas the first two, A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back had tons more detail added onto them. I think, at the time, Brian Daley was in bad health when he was writing Return of the Jedi. He probably could not focus on expanding it the way he did the first two plays. When that radio drama wrapped up recording, Brian Daley died.

I really appreciated the way Daley wrote the radio version of General Carlist Rieekan, the Echo Base commander in The Empire Strikes Back. I liked Rieekan in the movie, but he was even cooler in the radio play. The way he was written reminded me of some of my former commanders and superior officers when I was in the Army. He rang true to me in the radio play.

Here's a little something for the memory, my friend: If you listened to the first Radio Play back in 1980 ('81?), the announcer called the subtitle title of the Star Wars Radio Play
"The New Hope". Star Wars: The New Hope. In later releases of the Radio Play on cassette and CD, the subtitle was dropped, and it was just called "Star Wars".


I am currently trying to work on a CG animated series of excerpts from the Radio Plays, starting with scenes from Chapter 3 of A New Hope (Black Knight, White Princess, and Pawns) where Leia and Captain Antilles must get the Death Star plans from the Rebels in the Toprawa system. I have a previsualized animatic of how a couple of scenes would play out...now I'm just looking to flesh them out with better model and character builds.

Eric Paddon
September 8th, 2019, 11:15 AM
It's too bad they couldn't get Hamill back for ROTJ as well since its the one other thing that's missing from the earlier productions that helped it seem more canon. I also couldn't understand why they bothered hiring Ed Asner for Jabba since all his dialogue/sounds could just as easily have been lifted the film soundtrack and I honestly couldn't tell the difference.

There's been a lot of additional great radio drama from sci-fi properties. Leonard Nimoy's "Alien Voices" series did outstanding work with classic sci-fi literary projects (his version of "The Time Machine" should be listened to in the dark for maximum scare effect). I still wish someone had tackled C.S. Lewis's "Out Of The Silent Planet" and "Perelandra" (not even BBC did them. I've heard multiple versions of the Narnia series but the space trilogy remains my favorite Lewis work).

Galactica could work as radio too even.

Jayworld
September 16th, 2019, 06:58 AM
Galactica could work as radio too even.

This last statement made me think, or actually re-visit the notion that perhaps our beloved Classic Battlestar Galactica could still be revived as a continuation via radio play or animated film/television series? I've wondered that for some time, and perhaps enough of an impetus to spur me to finish the animated continuation trailer I started back in 2007 and never finished. A radio continuation would allow surviving cast members to reprise their roles.

Does anyone know if Tom DeSanto has completely moved on or still has any type of inclinations towards his original continuation vision of Battlestar? I think the DeSanto/Singer Fox telefilm continuation that didn't happen in 2001 and the previous Hatch trailer in 1998 got most of us excited for something that so far has never happened. That little spark or inkling still keeps me interested in a future Battlestar project (in this case, the on-again, off-again movie)....

Darrell Lawrence
September 16th, 2019, 10:11 AM
Can it work as a radio program? Try this... you can listen to it the same as a radio program -

Pt1 -
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Pt2 -
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Pt3 -
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Eric Paddon
September 16th, 2019, 08:08 PM
Will be giving it a listen! :)

Darrell Lawrence
September 17th, 2019, 02:27 AM
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6902

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10267

ernie90125
September 17th, 2019, 09:02 AM
https://deadline.com/2019/09/battlestar-galactica-reboot-drama-series-sam-esmail-nbc-streaming-service-peacock-1202736127/

ernie90125
September 17th, 2019, 09:04 AM
A radio continuation would allow surviving cast members to reprise their roles.

All I will say is be careful what you wish for...

;-)

Eric Paddon
September 17th, 2019, 09:37 AM
Realistically, Dirk and Anne are the only two I can envision in any kind of project.

Darrell Lawrence
September 17th, 2019, 10:48 AM
https://deadline.com/2019/09/battlestar-galactica-reboot-drama-series-sam-esmail-nbc-streaming-service-peacock-1202736127/We hear Esmail had been in touch with Moore, who blessed the idea of him taking on the franchise, because of Esmail’s passion for Moore’s version of the show....eeewwww...

ernie90125
September 17th, 2019, 02:59 PM
https://www.cbr.com/nbcs-battlestar-galactica-reboot-isnt-reboot/

Reports that the new Battlestar Galactica series would be a reboot of the classic sci-fi franchise appear to be inaccurate.

Sam Esmail, the creator of the Emmy Award-winning Mr. Robot who has signed on to develop the new series for NBCUniversal's upcoming premium streaming service Peacock, has denied that the series would be a reboot of Ronald D. Moore's modern take on the franchise, but instead focus on a new story set within that universe.

Eric Paddon
September 17th, 2019, 04:35 PM
Cue snoring sound effect.

JLHurley
September 17th, 2019, 05:55 PM
Disappointing news--and on the anniversary of the original's debut, no less. Even if it were aired on NBC (as opposed to pay streaming), I can't see myself interested enough to actually watch it.

Happy Birthday, BG. {sigh} :(

Darrell Lawrence
September 17th, 2019, 10:29 PM
Reports that the new Battlestar Galactica series would be a reboot of the classic sci-fi franchise appear to be inaccurate.

Sam Esmail, the creator of the Emmy Award-winning Mr. Robot who has signed on to develop the new series for NBCUniversal's upcoming premium streaming service Peacock, has denied that the series would be a reboot of Ronald D. Moore's modern take on the franchise, but instead focus on a new story set within that universe.Gag...

So... did you guys and gals listen to the "Return of a Hero" audio?

Charybdis
September 18th, 2019, 09:47 AM
Those gaulmonging tinheads!!! A story within the RDM universe. Well, that leaves out those of us still clinging for an original based storyline with original actors, etc.

Sheesh...yeah, happy 41st anniversary BSG....

Senmut
September 18th, 2019, 08:36 PM
Realistically, Dirk and Anne are the only two I can envision in any kind of project.

Why not Laurette Spang? Or Herb Jefferson? Why only Dirk and Anne?

Eric Paddon
September 18th, 2019, 09:29 PM
Why not Laurette Spang? Or Herb Jefferson? Why only Dirk and Anne?

Laurette stopped acting when she got married just after Galactica ended. I don't know if Herb still does anything but Anne and Dirk are the only two who have still regularly worked within the last few years and both would make more sense from a small part continuity wise than Boomer frankly IMO.

Senmut
September 19th, 2019, 10:11 AM
Well, hopefully, someone will ask them.

Eric Paddon
September 20th, 2019, 10:55 AM
Gag...

So... did you guys and gals listen to the "Return of a Hero" audio?

Got it downloaded for my mp3 player now. Next time I do a drive or long walk is when I'll be diving into it.

Jayworld
September 20th, 2019, 12:54 PM
Disappointing news--and on the anniversary of the original's debut, no less. Even if it were aired on NBC (as opposed to pay streaming), I can't see myself interested enough to actually watch it.

Happy Birthday, BG. {sigh} :(

I'm confused. Is this new BG series a replacement for the on-again/off-again movie that we've been discussing for some time, or is this in addition to the movie?

I realize that NBC Universal owns the television rights to Battlestar, but does Glen Larson (his family) still own the film rights?

Sometimes the lack of information over a period of years and then a lot of information all at once leaves this original series fan (yes, "fan") confused....

Eric Paddon
September 21st, 2019, 09:06 AM
Listened to the Return of a Hero audio yesterday. An impressive job of editing! I was a little skeptical at first about whether a coherent storyline could be sustained just with dialogue re-editing from the actual show but it gelled together nice by the end I felt. And congrats on those two bad dream sequences! :)

Darrell Lawrence
September 21st, 2019, 11:28 AM
Thanks. It was fun to create that. OldWarDaggit put a lot of time and effort into the editing of it.

And to think... Part 1 was completed *before* Galacticon in 2003. For the entire 3 parts, this year marked 15 years.

Charybdis
September 23rd, 2019, 08:59 AM
Given what transpires in network TV and the proliferation of these new streaming services, I would have to think that the BSG movie idea has been scrapped and they will now forge ahead with this new TV show. But that is speculation...could be a new movie and then kick off the show on the streaming service...

lonewriter
November 13th, 2019, 08:21 PM
The new reboot won't be based on the original series it will based on RDM BSG. I don't know how they will do it but I doubt
there won't be anything to do with reptilian Cylons.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/battlestar-galactica-reboot-sam-esmail-works-at-nbcus-streamer-1239018

I don't get all the hate for NuBSG? I thought it was one of the best shows ever made I still have much love for TOS but, I loved both shows. It's like how much I loved Star Trek TNG and DS9. I still don't u understand how they will do this unless they are setting it in the first Cylon War like it Blood and Chrome (loved it)
I think it's ok to enjoy both shows. So way we all!:bg04::colonial::colonial:

BST
November 14th, 2019, 05:35 AM
The new reboot won't be based on the original series it will based on RDM BSG. I don't know how they will do it but I doubt
there won't be anything to do with reptilian Cylons.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/battlestar-galactica-reboot-sam-esmail-works-at-nbcus-streamer-1239018

I don't get all the hate for NuBSG? I thought it was one of the best shows ever made I still have much love for TOS but, I loved both shows. It's like how much I loved Star Trek TNG and DS9. I still don't u understand how they will do this unless they are setting it in the first Cylon War like it Blood and Chrome (loved it)
I think it's ok to enjoy both shows. So way we all!:bg04::colonial::colonial:

This path has been trod, countless times, over the last decade and a half.

One cannot, accurately, compare the original Galactica vs Moore's series to Roddenberry's original Star Trek, TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

The latter example is a continuation of the original story/universe/history and there is a linkage from one show to the next.

The former example has Moore's show restarting the story and creating its own history/universe.

Eric Paddon
November 16th, 2019, 05:42 PM
I would think even those who are fans of other entity can understand why for some people it will always generate hate. You can disagree with the reason for that hate, and that's okay. But understanding why some people (like myself) will never change about it, is another thing entirely.

Senmut
November 17th, 2019, 03:00 PM
I would think even those who are fans of other entity can understand why for some people it will always generate hate. You can disagree with the reason for that hate, and that's okay. But understanding why some people (like myself) will never change about it, is another thing entirely.

Yes. We are always supposed to "move along" or to "grow", but never the other side.
Uh uhh.

Jayworld
November 19th, 2019, 01:38 PM
Yes. We are always supposed to "move along" or to "grow", but never the other side.
Uh uhh.

Agreed. Unfortunately, much of the nomenclature of GINO is now forever associated with the Battlestar brand as a whole, even though much of the language, concepts and ideas within GINO never were in the original (ONLY) series. Unfortunately, unlike Star Trek or even the original three Star Wars movies, the original Battlestar has not generally fared well with the younger crowd or entertainment media. In a way, the original series references seemingly are a relic of the past in many circles.

I still am hoping that the new BG TV series on Peacock will be something that we as original series lovers will enjoy. I am still somewhat in the dark or confused as to the intent of this upcoming series as opposed to the upcoming movie that is constantly on-again/off-again/on-again (did this new series supplant the movie plans, is it a separate project, etc.?)....

Titon
November 20th, 2019, 06:29 AM
I for one am thankful that they are leaving my version alone.

They keep "throwing up" the same crap and that's fine with me. Just leave the real Galactica in peace.

ernie90125
May 4th, 2020, 12:50 PM
‘Battlestar Galactica’: Michael Lesslie To Write & Exec Produce Peacock Reboot Of Sci-Fi Franchise

https://deadline.com/2020/05/battlestar-galactica-michael-lesslie-showrunner-peacock-reboot-1202923668/

Darrell Lawrence
May 4th, 2020, 01:02 PM
Sam Esmail is still the Exec Producer, so it's the same as what was reported before - it takes place in the nuBG universe.

JLHurley
May 5th, 2020, 05:21 AM
Hoping for the best...{sigh}

Eric Paddon
May 5th, 2020, 03:53 PM
On all of these matters, I am the eternal cynic. I don't want a reboot, even one that would be done more "right" than GINO. No interest in watching this ever.

ernie90125
July 11th, 2020, 01:46 PM
‘Battlestar Galactica’ Is “Progressing Nicely”, Says Peacock Originals Chief

https://deadline.com/2020/07/battlestar-galactica-progressing-nicely-michael-lesslie-peacock-1202982542/

JLHurley
July 12th, 2020, 05:59 AM
Is it my imagination or is there always a pic of the ORIGINAL BG that accompanies articles about the series in development? Seems odd but gives me a bit of hope this take is less Moore and (much) more Larsen/classic.

Senmut
July 14th, 2020, 02:38 PM
We have heard this so many times, if I had a cubit for every time...

JLHurley
July 14th, 2020, 05:51 PM
Is it my imagination or is there always a pic of the ORIGINAL BG that accompanies articles about the series in development? Seems odd but gives me a bit of hope this take is less Moore and (much) more Larsen/classic.

I spoke too soon. Last night I saw another article that included photos of both the original and Moore's thing but with Moore's "headlining" it.

Senmut
August 9th, 2020, 09:50 PM
While my views on the reimagined Battlestar Galactica have not changed (I still love that show as much as the original...difficult concept, I know), my views on Hollywood have changed a great deal over the years.

The two best movies I've seen in recent years have been Rogue One and Alita Battle Angel...

Otherwise, EVERYTHING now seems to be a remake or a reimagining....and unfortunately, for the most part, a remake or reimagining involves being "woke".... aka "politically correct", "feminazi", and full of things like "representation", "diversity", "inclusivity" and all those other Left wing buzzwords that have infested Tinsel Town for years. If someone writes a story that doesn't have enough blacks, Hispanics, or other so-designated "people of color", the story and its writer are considered racist. If a story or show does not have at least two openly gay people (who make it a point each episode or movie to remind folks that they are gay) then there's not enough "representation" and the writer and the story is considered "homophobic", "transphobic", "gender binary", etc. If the story and its writer do not present a female lead who makes all the men in the show or movie look completely incompetent or dependent on the skillset of said "Whamen", the the story and its writer are considered "misogynistic", "anti-feminist", or are considered advocates of rape culture.

.

Because there is no true creativity anymore. Not in Hollyweird, at least. Everything is about "target audience", and "political subtext", and boray mong like that. ZILCHOLA is about "is it a good story?", or "how do we advance the characters without violating their essence?" As long as so-called writers are more concerned about who might get mad at them, this is what we will get.
And like the Titanic, it will only go lower and lower.

Jayworld
October 9th, 2020, 07:55 AM
Well, with all the surmising about the proported new BG series on Peacock, I decided to "subscribe" to Peacock (FREE) via our Roku. The selection of shows is decent, and several classic TV shows as well, but of course, not like Amazon Prime or Tubi for that matter. Interestingly, Peacock showcases the Moore BG mini-series, series, and "The Plan," but Classic BG is no where to be found. To my knowledge, the only way to watch it other than on the DVD or Blu-ray sets is to subscribe (for free) to the NBC Roku channel. Is that a bad omen in relation to the new/upcoming series that the only thing Battlestar related on Peacock is Moore's GINO?

Westy
October 9th, 2020, 01:23 PM
I wish we could just make our own real BSG. There's more than enough talent, and excelent CGI assets to pull it off. But it's so much work �� I'd donate my Battlestar and my mostly done Basestar CGI models to any serious effort though...just saying.

Eric Paddon
October 11th, 2020, 11:58 AM
To me, I'd settle for any of these things:

1-Some officially commissioned novels or a comic book series that does it *right* which hasn't happened since Realm Press. Have a story editor who knows all the episodes inside out who could put a halt to the constant trend toward disregarding what happened before and not building off the previous stories.

2-An audio drama that utilizes the existing music score/sound F/X and maybe utilizes the vocal talents of Anne and Dirk. I had a chance to hear an audio drama by "Broken Sea Audio" made in 2009 that unfortunately took a long time to get to the point and when it did it alas left us hanging for a follow-up series they never bothered to do. ("Return of A Hero" was much better utilizing the limited resources of existing dialogue from episodes)

The animated option would be interesting but I admit I'm not a big fan of that storytelling style. I'm not into fan movies either but would certainly give a well-written one a shot.

Westy
October 11th, 2020, 04:43 PM
I'm not into fan movies either but would certainly give a well-written one a shot.

Me either, but the 14th Colony effort was promising. Too bad about what happened.

Jayworld
October 14th, 2020, 02:11 PM
To me, I'd settle for any of these things:

1-Some officially commissioned novels or a comic book series that does it *right* which hasn't happened since Realm Press. Have a story editor who knows all the episodes inside out who could put a halt to the constant trend toward disregarding what happened before and not building off the previous stories.

2-An audio drama that utilizes the existing music score/sound F/X and maybe utilizes the vocal talents of Anne and Dirk. I had a chance to hear an audio drama by "Broken Sea Audio" made in 2009 that unfortunately took a long time to get to the point and when it did it alas left us hanging for a follow-up series they never bothered to do. ("Return of A Hero" was much better utilizing the limited resources of existing dialogue from episodes)

The animated option would be interesting but I admit I'm not a big fan of that storytelling style. I'm not into fan movies either but would certainly give a well-written one a shot.

At this point, Eric, an animated series based upon a continuation of the original BG might be the best and perhaps only way to go, especially if it had a Tom DeSanto type buy-in. It could feature the voice talents of Herb Jefferson, Dirk Benedict, Anne Lockhart, Terry Carter and others. By doing an animated series, whether digital or more traditional, it would have the ability of having the original cast look older but still look like the characters they played rather than new actors portraying classic roles (such as the new Star Trek films).

ernie90125
October 14th, 2020, 04:41 PM
All I’ll say is be careful what you wish for...it might...

;)

Jayworld
October 15th, 2020, 06:49 AM
Guess I've been wishing for an animated classic sequel series since 2005 (at least), after the Richard Hatch trailer push fell apart, the Fox continuation in 2001 fell apart, and the re-imagined mini-series premiered in 2003. Hard to believe it has been that long, but my hope never dies. Part of the reason I'm here and one of the few that checks these boards on a regular basis.

Eric Paddon
October 15th, 2020, 09:44 AM
We've been teased endlessly since 1993 and the 15 Yahren Con when Larson implied something was possibly in the works. And not once sadly has faith ever been rewarded.

I still look in since I still like to talk about the show especially now that I'm actively writing fanfic again after taking ten years off from it due to creative burnout. Hopefully the "Virtual Season" section of the board here will finally be updated with all the stories that have been written in the last eight years by myself and others just to provide a further archival repository for them. Maybe at some point I'll bring myself to revisit the Hatch novels and try to be critical without being infuriated as I tended to be when they came out. I've been organizing the comic files, even for the ones I disliked to have for reference purposes, and I've also been fortunate to get copies of most of the original scripts for the series and G80 including unproduced ones which have been illuminating in a lot of ways regarding the show's production history.

It's kind of unfortunate there's never been something like a regular podcast about the series done by fans of it who can study these things in detail in the way I've heard podcasts for other series. Though if someone's aware of it being done, I'd like to know! (not a podcast done by some general sci-fi or TV history buff who isn't approaching Galactica as a fan)

Senmut
October 17th, 2020, 08:39 PM
EP...otherwise known as the Librarian of the Encyclopedia Galactica.

Jayworld
October 23rd, 2020, 12:33 PM
Hmmm, well it looks as if the movie is back on with a new writer/producer:
https://bit.ly/34lGnef

This means that the movie is a separate project from the upcoming reboot to be shown on television on the new NBC owned Peacock streaming channel. Thoughts?

Eric Paddon
October 23rd, 2020, 05:56 PM
I can't even figure out why there would be two different versions unconnected to each other. If one of them plans to be more in the "spirit" of TOS, that's frankly still something I wouldn't be interested in because seeing a new version of the origin story is just "been there, done that" for me.

Senmut
October 25th, 2020, 02:45 PM
Well, as with all these "revival" thingys, I'll believe them when I see them on the long-range scanners.

Charybdis
October 29th, 2020, 10:20 AM
The only thing I saw that was really interesting was this quote from one of the articles:
"It will be interesting to see where Simon Kinberg takes the source material, though one has to imagine he'll be taking more from Glen A. Larson's original vision for the TV series back in the late 1970s and early 1980s."

Not sure why the writer of the article would say that, but at least it's a thought in the right direction...

Senmut
October 29th, 2020, 09:05 PM
We should feed the critics to the Ovions!

ernie90125
November 4th, 2020, 04:19 PM
‘Battlestar Galactica’ Peacock Series Details Reveal Potential Casting And General Plot Info

https://www.thevulcanreporter.com/scoops/battlestar-galactica-peacock-new-details/amp/

Eric Paddon
November 4th, 2020, 05:34 PM
GINO, Take 2. Once again the Cylons are the good guys saving the Universe from the evil Humans!

And what a joke to see this item that tries to shoehorn the original series into the philosophy of the original GINO.

"The Cycle of Time is a sequence of events in the Battlestar Galactica franchise that repeats itself, seemingly forever. The original Battlestar Galactica series and the 2004 SyFy series are both different iterations of that cycle, and it is possible that not even the Peacock remake could escape the cycle."

Stuff like this just offers me a reminder of why time will never heal the wounds no matter how much I wish it could be otherwise. Not when the legacy of what made Galactica special and enduring to me is continually run-down because of the GINO take so that ultimately GINO is the default interpretation of what it's all about.

Senmut
November 4th, 2020, 08:34 PM
Some "visionary" producer wanting to stamp their image on another man's creation. Just basically a little kid screaming "Mine! Mine!" writ large.

Charybdis
November 5th, 2020, 08:38 AM
OMG! If THAT is what this new TV series is going to be...forget it!! Another humans are evil and are destroying their planets mantra.

You know, in TOS, the humans were the GOOD guys and their planets were beautiful! It was the gaul-monging tin-headed Cylons that destroyed everything!

Jayworld
November 5th, 2020, 08:20 PM
Unfortunately most all television shows and movies now have some sort of political slant or axe to grind. Just from what I've read in the link above (thanks ernie), I will not be watching on Peacock. Will still have a "wait and see" approach on the movie...

Senmut
November 6th, 2020, 05:22 PM
Yes. Wait and see what horrors have been perpetrated upon us.

Charybdis
November 7th, 2020, 01:51 PM
And continuing in this vein, did you all see the news that the new OO7 Bond is going to be an African-American woman?!

Talk about changing things up!

Charybdis
November 7th, 2020, 01:52 PM
Double post. Sorry!

Eric Paddon
November 7th, 2020, 03:39 PM
There hasn't been a real Bond film since Pierce Brosnan as far as I'm concerned. I hated all the Craig ones.

Senmut
November 7th, 2020, 07:47 PM
And continuing in this vein, did you all see the news that the new OO7 Bond is going to be an African-American woman?!

Talk about changing things up!

PC has truly run amok. What other horrors are they planning? Dare I even say?
Maybe it's a good thing Sean Connery isn't here to see this travesty.
Requiescat in pace, Sir Sean.

ernie90125
December 11th, 2020, 02:33 PM
Jane Seymour Wants To Be In The ‘Battlestar Galactica’ Reboot

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Eric Paddon
December 11th, 2020, 02:48 PM
I never would have recognized her voice.