Ron D Moore - Part of the "Blame America Crowd"

[Ravishol]

If Ron Moore used 911 to inspire him, then he is in the "Blame America (and the west)" crowd ” for 911 terrorists attacks. He thumbs his nose at the (American) military the very people who defend his liberty to write this kind of crap.

Battlestar Galactica is centered around the concept that there is good and evil in this world and the Good guys were duped because they let their guard down.

The good guys of the real world are tired of being blamed for the world’s problems.

You can't fix Ron Moore’s script because he took a completely wrong approach to the source material.

Ron Moore is the wrong person to helm the Majestic Battlestar Galactica.

[The Blue Mule]

"The Majestic Galactica".....what a beautiful phrase!

I Agree, If moore wants to take a political stance and render the "new" BSG as a Al-Qaida Recruitment video, then we as true americans don't have to think much of him or his "reinventing the wheel" approach to storytelling.

A writer friend of mine told me that he's going to watch this show because he loves a big train wreck,and loves a good laugh. I on the other hand will not be laughing but wishing that Richard Hatch's new novel will repair and sooth, all the anxiety and trouble caused by TPTB and Moore, and all those who truly do not know how to handle a unique and complex concept like Battlestar Galactica, to make it something serene and uplifting for the 6 year old and the 60 year old.

I bet you when this thing fails, he out of there faster then a gazelle on steroids, and wont look back, and if pressed about it will, blame "Bugetary Restraints"


Laters

Rich.

[Apothis]

Personally I think Ron Moore should speak to people who lost love ones from the Terror Attacks on 9/11. It is absolutely dreadful that if he is paying homage to the event that he has portrayed us as the reason it happened. That is truly a disrespectful to the victims of 9/11.

I also find the anti-military tone disdainful. My Father served in the US Navy and I am proud that he did during the Cold War. His anti-military views is a an attack against the men and women who fight to defend his right to write works such as Battlestar Galactica.

[KJ]

Well Blue lets pray Richard Hatch gets the Galactica novels out in paperback format and has a giantic wide release this time. You'll think with the name of "Battlestar Galactica" the books would be in every shop nope. You gotta hunt those babies out man far and wide you gotta hunt them to get them!

One the 911 and the military debate side of things, seems he has more lack of respect for those real life issues than a sci-fi fantasy show like Galactica which is worse writer or no and i hope it doesn't sound like were all PC or anything because those issues are complicated. But Ronald Moore should learn to write a hell of alot better that just rewrite, redo remake and cave into his ego, to do Battlestar Galactica his way or the highway just for a quick buck?

Disrespect from Hollywood writers? it's been around for years only now, they insult cult shows AND disrespect events taking place in the real world (Hear the one about a writer offering Robert De Nero a script for a 911 movie just after the event happen last year?). Moore when reality hits you, get either The Wachowski Brothers, Nicholas Meyer, Sam Raimi, Peter Jackson or even Mike Vejar (a good TV director people) and get them on their speed dial pronto.

KJ

[joebeaudoin]

No offence to anyone here, but it should be said that America wasn't totally innocent of the events of 9/11 either. Like Pearl Harbor, the "1st day of infamy", we had warnings. They were ignored. The only major difference in that case was that, in 9/11, both civilian and military personnel were victims.

Intelligence gathered before 9/11 indicated that there was to be a possible attack on US soil. People who tried to further investigate on this information BEFORE 9/11 were ordered to desist. Hell, there was one member of the intelligence community who took a trip to Afghanistan, reported that there was something major being planned -- again, she was ignored. Forcibly.

To place the blame totally on America's feet is, to say the least, inaccurate. Inconsiderate if you wish to take the moral high ground.

By the way, I hear this "true American" thing being flung around? From what I've heard, a "true American" isn't one who questions the administration and believes whatever comes from it as the truth.

Speaking of which, why the hell are we going after Iraq? It seems to me, at this point, North Korea seems to be a far more worrisome country than Iraq.

Also, where's Osama? Hmm?

[Stevew]

Hi Joe I don't think we want to open that subject here but could tell us how you would find OBL in an area the size of texas with thousands of caves that were not mapped or locations known. Where there are mountains near the size of the Andes or the Rockys that you have to look in. His followers shield and protect him. Half the intelligence was from Afghans and who knows about that. OBL may have slipped out the day the bombing started thru a cave directly into Pakistan, we have no way of knowing. We only had several hundred SO troops there at the time and much of that area was around 10000 feet up. Nuff said
Steve
:D

[thomas7g]

I don't think Joe said what he wanted to say in the best choice of words. I think his use of "America" and "innocence" are being taken wrong.

I assume he meant that there were mistakes made that in hindsight could have prevented 911. Or Pearl Harbor. But then hindsight is always clearer. :D

[thomas7g]

Warrior,

I think we all were lax. We all knew that our planes could be hijacked. We knew airport security was a joke. but we also knew that more security meant more inconveneince. In hindsight we all bear some guilt for what happened.

To put it in BG terms, Like Adama we let our guard down and we paid a terrible price. We saw the signs, but we were overconfident in believing they couldn't hurt us badly.

[thomas7g]

We all often say something that can be misinterpreted. :D

[joebeaudoin]

Originally posted by Warrior


I'm sorry... but did I read that correctly? The people that were killed in the towers weren;'t innocent? They helped cause their own deaths?

I served in the US military for seven years, and did see some action.

I suppose the 9/11 thing was my fault too, eh?

Or the people of my home town? They caused it?

You've clearly misunderstood me, warrior. For that, I apologize.

To clarify: The people who were victims of 9/11 were innocent. The heroism demonstrated that day and those that followed is probably one of the greatest achievement in the history of Humankind.

But to say that we didn't know does put some of the blame for it on us. We did know, we had portents... signs, if you will.

Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part. Perhaps if we (that includes me as well) had been more on our guard, instead of directing our attention to the sex scandals of the Clinton white house, Bush's inability to use the English language properly or even fads such as "Who Wants to Be a Millionare" or "reality tv", then I think all of us would have been just that much more concerned about the world around us. About the things that matter: our neighbors around the world and ourselves.

To Steve: While the job is massive, it is within the realm of possibility. Instead of going after Iraq, our FIRST priority should be to find OBL. We have the reason, we have the manpower, we have the technology. Instead of warring with Iraq, which is what Bush clearly intends to do (any way you slice it he's gunning for something), I believe that we have the obligation, as Americans, to push our desires to see OBL (and his accomplices) brought to justice.

Just a few of my thoughts on the subject...

Sincerely,

Joe

[joebeaudoin]

Originally posted by thomas7g
We all often say something that can be misinterpreted. :D

This is particularly true for those, such as myself, who speak with their heart. The heart, being the complicated beast that it is, has the tendancy to say things in its own language. I may know what I'm saying, but others may look at it differently (because everyone brings something different to table). In this case, its their viewpoint, their unique understanding of the world/universe around us and personality.

It's like talking to an English person who uses some words differently than to a person who uses American English. Perhaps a bad example, but the general meaning is there, I think. :-)

[michaelfaries]

Ravishol: You're applying your intuitive powers yet again... and hitting the bullseye dead-on, far more than is generally known, btw.

Michael
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[Stevew]

Joe to add to the first,
1. There were intelligence agencies here and abroad discovering information regarding the potential threat of terrorist activity, including the possible hijacking of commercial planes inside the United States as far back as 1993.
2. Very little if any of this information was specific other than it all seemed to tie into one common name "Osama bin Laden".
3. The biggest report in question at this time was NOT a report that told of specific threats that had been made. Even though it did give a list of potential targets it did not give names or dates for when those targets "might" be hit and even stated that there had been no specific threats against those targets as of the time the report was written. It was purely and simply a "Psychological Profile" of potential terrorist threats that COULD BE MADE based on historical events and outside source information.
Please note: There is NO WAY somone could have taken that report and known that 20 men were plotting to hijack 4 planes and use them as missles in an attack on 4 specific targets on September 11, 2001.
4. The Clinton administration had virtually all of the information that the Bush administration recieved.
5. The Clinton administration had 7 years to act on that information whereas the Bush administration had a little over 7 months to act on it.
6. The Clinton administration in their 8 years in office had not one, but THREE opportunites to capture bin laden and rejected every one of them, even those that were made available after intelligence information said he was plotting such attacks on us. The Bush administration in their 7-1/2 months in office did not have even ONE such opportunity.
7. Filipino authorities alerted the FBI as early as 1995 that several Middle Eastern pilots were training at American flying schools and at least one had proposed hijacking a commercial jet and crashing it into federal buildings. The Clinton administration did nothing to act on this information in the FIVE years they remained in office after receiving it.
8. In July 2001 a memo was sent from the FBI office in Arizona regarding these same possibilities for the hijacking of commercial planes. FOUR WEEKS after the 2001 memo from Arizona to FBI headquarters, FBI agents in Minnesota, working under the Bush administration arrested Zacarias Moussaoui because of his suspicious interest in learning to fly commercial aircraft. That was in August 2001.
9. Without having any specific information the FBI had no way of knowing that Maussaoui was part of a much larger plot. At best they were going to need time to interrogate him and do considerable research to find out who he had contact with and go after them as well. Based on previous hijackings throughout the world that had involved anywhere from 3 to 8 men there was NO way they could have known the magnitude of the plot he was actually involved in without his confession. This proved to be fruitless as he refused to give them any information, and still refuses to this day.
10. Six weeks after Maussaoui's arrest on September 11 the remaining 19 men involved in the plot to launch an attack on the U.S. acted out their deed.
11. In tracing back the activity of the remaining 19 terrorists they gave every indication of picking up speed in their plot after the arrest of Maussaoui. Other plans that had been made by several of them were dumped and two of them didn't even complete the training they had taken. Could it be that they carried out their attack at this time because they feared that the Bush adminstration, unlike the Clinton administration was giving the FBI the abiility it needed to really investigate them and they feared Maussaoui might talk? That's something no one will ever know.

That said as far as we know OBL is in an area in PAK with his tribal buds
so going in there could be a real causter Frack. Saladam must go but I would like to see the inspectoer have a chance to find what they can but I don't think they can as it is hidden too well. If we go in I would want to see this concret proof before that W claims to have.
S
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[default]

I like this place because this topic never came up.

I saw it tear through other boards and cause major arguements.

I ask please, for the sake of healing and moving forward we not continue this here.

We all have strong opinions on the topic, and it is a very passionate one as well.

Instead of potentially hurting each other and making friends into enemies, perhaps we can start the new year a better note?

Just a request for peace, nothing more.

[thomas7g]

I like candy.

[repcisg]

Popcorn :bounce: and bouncy things.

[joebeaudoin]

Wise words, AslanC. Here's to 2003.

I like chocolate. :cool:

[default]

One of my co-workers mother's found out from him that I have to work tonight and she felt that was not right, so she made me dinner and he is bringing it by.

This lady cooks like no one's business. Now I will have a Happy New Year :)

mmmmm.... homemade white sauce lasagna :drool:

[Ravishol]

Thank you Michael,

I posted the topic here because I thought that it was important to point it out only because Ron Moore used the 911 Terrorists Attack on the United States as motivation for his new BG production. (His own words)

In the original BG series, the colonists did not create the Cylons. The Cylons hated the Humas because they were a threat to their "Order in the universe". The Humans infringe on the Cylon teritory and aided a cylon enemy.


Neuromanzer did a very good job of pointing out this complex relationship on the SciFi board.

In Ron Moore's version, the humans are responsible for creating the
cylons. They are therefore responsible for their own destruction.

Ron Moore should have never opened his Mouth and used 911 for his own personal gain.

The responses to this thread shows what can happen

[Stevew]

Here Here the beers are on me
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
S

[vmnjn]

Writers are often inspired by events taking place in the "real" world.

Many episodes in the original Star Trek and other series were inspired by the cultural/political tensions, and tragedies of the day. I do not fault Moore for using techniques that have been used by so many other authors. I take issue with the results of this "inspiration."

Rant Begins...
I served in the US Army for eight years and saw how blatantly arrogant and stupid the commissioned and the politicians could be. As always it was the grunts and the civilians who paid for these sins. A fellow grunt gets shot eight times with an M60, don't rock the boat, must have been eight ricochets...
Rant Ends...

While Moore is entitled to his personnal vision, and SciFi is supporting it, he is perverting a show that was aimed at "families." That is what seems to be ignored by his backers and even alot of the existing fan base. The audience Moore's present script is aimed at is an entirely different group than the original series. This show is aimed at trying to shock an already desensitized "adult" audience.

The major reason I have always loved Battlestar Galactica was due to how it satisfied a broad audience. It satisfied, though not always well, viewers of all ages.

What I am hoping for is a Battlestar Galactica that I can watch with my children. Where one day I can have my son and/or daughter venting on this board about how the latest version or remake won't hold a candle to "their" Battlestar Galactica.

If whatever changes Moore pulls don't hurt that private dream, fine, let him.

If, as it now seems, he turns this space opera into a soft-porn soap opera that just happens to be in space...

I will boycott any products and merchandise involved with it. I will also have no problem with letting the advertisers, who are paying the show's bills, know my feelings to.

If one woman can put the hurt on the most successful TV show, Married with Children. Imagine what I can do to a marginal remake travesty.

[KJ]

Hey i heard about that, but she didn't beat Married With Children did she? Best to use that guy who campaigned for the Star Trek TOS to come back and we got "Star Trek The Motion Picture" out of it instead as an example!

Hope the new production has got a "Ted McGinley clause"? As much as i like MWC very much, the man hasn't done anything good outside it, and known to be on fading fast or dying TV shows! And even has a webpage dedicated to him about this. If McGinley showed up in BG. Ron Moore has done it again messed up BG script wise and killed it before it has begun!

:mad:

KJ

[thomas7g]

maybe Ron Moore has jumped the shark?

[Hito]

How can u jump the shark without even one episode in the can?

[thomas7g]

maybe this is the shark he is jumping?

[vmnjn]

Forgive me for revealing my uncoolness, but what does "jumped the shark" mean?

[oldwardaggit]

It's the point in a series when you know that things are going down hill and the series will never be the same or as good as it use to be.

It comes from an episode of happy days when the Fonz jumped a shark on water skies. They say it went down hill from there.

Happy days is still one of my favorite shows and I liked all the campy things that they did. Jumping the shark was just another fun thing to watch for me.

I can't remember who coined the phrase but they must have thought that happy days was rocket science before the Fonz jumped the shark. LMAO

OWD

[KJ]

Only Galactica did a gold medal winning jump over the shark, when Galactica 1980 came on? :(

[default]

http://www.jumptheshark.com/

Enjoy :)

[jewels]

Aslan C:
I think I agree with Thomas after looking at that site--Ron's jumped the shark already.
Jewels

[Hito]

Since it has nothing to do with the original series the only way Moore's BSG 03 can jump the shark is if it deviates from it's own premise.

[thomas7g]

well perhaps, I can see that, ... but according to the site that coined the phrase, most votes for Mission Impossible was the first movie when Jim Phelps was rewritten as the turncoat.

That is pretty similiar to what we have here. :)