Galactica 1980 Comic

[peter noble]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0906/21/dynamite.htm

[ernie90125]

Finally ! Some new merch !

Ok, its G1980, but I'll buy it to show my support......

[Gemini1999]

Well, now there's something I never thought that I would see....

Given how G80 is generally regarded, it's fascinating that someone took the chance that folks would buy it. Granted, I bought the DVD set, so I'll be buying this one too.

Just to show support, don'tcha know...

Bryan

[Red Eye]

It's very odd... instead of continuing the classic comic books, they start releasing issues of "G80"?

I'll also buy them of course but still hopes that we'll see an continuation of the original storyline...

By the way: Hope the "G80" issues will featuring more of the AB Raiders, one of the few good concepts this series gave us... :)

[spcglider]

I'm stymied.

If Dynamite couldn't make a go of the original property... what hope in Hades do they have of getting G-80 to pay off?

Unless they're counting on it as a tax write-off.

Don't get me wrong, obviously someone at Dynamite thinks they need to really exploit the Galactica license that they obviously have paid for. Good for them. But yikes.

-Gordon

[JLHurley]

Man, I am going to be so embarrassed paying for that at my local comic store!

[JLHurley]

Here's an interview with the writer. I love what he says re: BG. I'm surprised that I'm looking forward to this.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22015

[peter noble]

Here's the cover to #2, shipping in October.

[dah66]

Peter,

Thanks for posting the cover image for issue 2. I only have one question; have Troy and Dillion been 'reimagined' as werewolves?

:blink:

[Reaper]

Peter,

Thanks for posting the cover image for issue 2. I only have one question; have Troy and Dillion been 'reimagined' as werewolves?

:blink:


Maybe they are just being represented as tougher and less family friendly lol

Real men have scruff!! ;)

[Benedict]

I'm still amazed that BSG80 has made it into comic form. :) Though that second cover image does give a weird look for the boys. :)

[dah66]

I never thought I would see Galactica 1980 on DVD much less in comic book form. Still, I'm planning on picking this up -- I'll just need to wear dark glasses and a trench coat into my local comic book shop while doing so.

:cool:

[JLHurley]

...I'll just need to wear dark glasses and a trench coat into my local comic book shop while doing so.

:cool:

Ain't that the truth! :rotf:

[PaulGTweed]

Maybe they are just being represented as tougher and less family friendly lol

Real men have scruff!! ;)

I believe they are Apollo and Zac. In the novel 'Galactica Discovers Earth' Adama says "My sons are dead." It could also be Apollo and Starbuck.

[dilbertman]

I never thought I would see Galactica 1980 on DVD much less in comic book form. Still, I'm planning on picking this up -- I'll just need to wear dark glasses and a trench coat into my local comic book shop while doing so.

:cool:

Get the TPB, then you only have to do that one time.

Jim;)

[peter noble]

Here's the cover to issue #3 0f Galactica 1980 shipping in November.

[David Kerin]

Not a fan of cover 2, but 3 looks more interesting. I'm at least curious to see if the covers actually reflect the story, with fire engulfing the capitol, or if it is like the original G1980 with all those cool promo shots of Raiders attacking LA that turned out to be a brief simulation. I also like the old looking Viper design on cover 3... maybe a flashback for Adama.

[Benedict]

Cover 3 is quite striking what with the Vipers, Capitol Hill and...Troy looking quite like Apollo.

[Red Eye]

Looks interesting... thank you for the update!

[Eric Paddon]

That Dynamite, the company that gave the worst screw-job ever to Galactica in the comic book format would then go on and do this after what they did before is from my standpoint, further rubbing of salt in the wounds. No sale with me, now or ever.

[peter noble]

Interview with the writer: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080924-Guggenheim-Galactica-1980.html

[dah66]

Get the TPB, then you only have to do that one time.

Jim;)

Ha! Good advice.

[Eric Paddon]

"I did some research before this interview, and found they wrote but never filmed an episode of Galactica: 1980 that implied Starbuck got rescued!"

So much for his vaunted powers of research. "Wheel Of Fire" implies that Starbuck became an SOL being, not that he was rescued.

[peter noble]

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/htmlfiles/viewProduct.html?PRO=C725130126214#previewImages

(The first page is actually bottom right)

[Reaper]

Interesting take, Troy is a drunk. Didn't see that coming.

[PaulGTweed]

The first flub. Adama used 1978 as the year. The Galacticans used Earth Calendar AFTER they discovered Earth, not before. Shouldn't the year be in Colonial Yahrens before they reach Earth? What was the Colonial Yahren of The Hand of G-D episode? Add thirty yahrens to Earth discovery.

[Athene]

Thanks for posting that. I had a good chuckle when I looked it over. :LOL:

[David Kerin]

The first flub. Adama used 1978 as the year. The Galacticans used Earth Calendar AFTER they discovered Earth, not before. Shouldn't the year be in Colonial Yahrens before they reach Earth? What was the Colonial Yahren of The Hand of G-D episode? Add thirty yahrens to Earth discovery.


I don't think that was supposed to be the date, but rather the log entry number. It is actually a nod to the original premiere date of Battlestar Galactcia on September 17, 1978.

[Athene]

I don't think that was supposed to be the date, but rather the log entry number. It is actually a nod to the original premiere date of Battlestar Galactcia on September 17, 1978.
That's really interesting.
I can't believe it's been more than 30 years now since the premiere of the show.
or yahrens I should say. :blink: :salute:

[PaulGTweed]

I don't think that was supposed to be the date, but rather the log entry number. It is actually a nod to the original premiere date of Battlestar Galactcia on September 17, 1978.

Except that Adama using it as the log entry number, though a nice gesture, IS STUPID! September 17, 1978 would have been better used as the date when Dr. Mortisson debated with Carl Sagan on PBS, as mentioned in the Galactica:1980 book.

[JLHurley]

Just read the first issue. Wish I could think of something nice to say about it... Pretty pictures, I guess. Hope the last scene was a dream/hoax/imaginary tale. Otherwise it's just plain ridiculous.

[peter noble]

Here's the cover to Galactica 1980 #4, out in December.

[spcglider]

I apologize for the upcoming rant.




I had hopes. I was willing to give it a shot. The author seemed to have a good grasp of what we might like to see. Maybe he did. but now I'll never know.

I opened the damned thing and got an eyeful of the art direction they took.

I have been betrayed by Galactica 1980 twice in my life. The first time was when it aired on TV. The second time was when I opened that comic. Never again. I'm done.

I have chosen to take it as a personal insult that Dynamite decided to use SCIFI Channel Galactica imagery as though the Classic Galactica design aesthetic would somehow naturally evolve in that direction. And having Adama, OUR CLASSIC Adama, sitting there with a GINO pistol to his head is the icing on the insult cake.

Bastards.

I came to a personal truce with GINO. I convinced myself that I didn't care that there was a new series and that I hoped it did well all on its own. I wanted it to distinguish itself from the original and go as far away from it as possible to make that separation distinct. I wanted Classic Galactica to remain unadulterated by the re-imagining. And I was willing to leave well enough alone to find that accord.

But here it is... right in my face. They just couldn't let Classic Galactica STAY Classic Galactica. They HAD to go and insert (and in some pathetic way try to validate) the GINO "look".

My only compliment to the Dynamite editorial staff is this: You've saved me a few extra dollars in a crappy economic situation by producing a book that I will not spend my money on.

Rant ends.

-Gordon

[Damocles]

You performed a valuable service, Gordon. You saved some of us from the error of purchase. Its small consolation, but at least your sacrifice of time and money was not in total vain.

Best wishes:

Frank

[AlternityOrange]

I apologize for the upcoming rant.

I had hopes. I was willing to give it a shot. The author seemed to have a good grasp of what we might like to see. Maybe he did. but now I'll never know.

I opened the damned thing and got an eyeful of the art direction they took.

I have been betrayed by Galactica 1980 twice in my life. The first time was when it aired on TV. The second time was when I opened that comic. Never again. I'm done.

I have chosen to take it as a personal insult that Dynamite decided to use SCIFI Channel Galactica imagery as though the Classic Galactica design aesthetic would somehow naturally evolve in that direction. And having Adama, OUR CLASSIC Adama, sitting there with a GINO pistol to his head is the icing on the insult cake.

Bastards.

I came to a personal truce with GINO. I convinced myself that I didn't care that there was a new series and that I hoped it did well all on its own. I wanted it to distinguish itself from the original and go as far away from it as possible to make that separation distinct. I wanted Classic Galactica to remain unadulterated by the re-imagining. And I was willing to leave well enough alone to find that accord.

But here it is... right in my face. They just couldn't let Classic Galactica STAY Classic Galactica. They HAD to go and insert (and in some pathetic way try to validate) the GINO "look".

My only compliment to the Dynamite editorial staff is this: You've saved me a few extra dollars in a crappy economic situation by producing a book that I will not spend my money on.

Rant ends.

-Gordon

I doubt there was a specific intention to used the GINO look over a real BSG aesthetic. More likely it's just a matter of an artist who didn't research and an editor who didn't care. With Dynamite sometimes there's a writer who knows his stuff but not the artist, sometimes it's vice versa, and sometimes it's neither. That's the way all of their licensed books seem to be produced and it's one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of the company.

[KJ]

A G80 comic?

Feh, wouldn't purchase it anyways. Why haven't Dynamite even bother doing some Classic BG comics stories or gone the extra mile and hired any talent (talented writers/artist), who'd actually give a damn as the Fanbase would in seeing all-new BSG comic book material. And we all know what happened the last time when several members on here posted on their forums etc.

There a whole serious wealth of avenues to go in for Classic Battlestar Galactica. Alas they just don't get it.

And Gino only complicated matters, cos we want Classic BSG material. Yet cos of the copyrighted name, Gino goes wherever the name goes i.e. BSG overall. At this point i love for the rights to end up at Dark Horse comics. Alas it wouldn't ever/never be that simple though. To bad no fan could ever use them neither.

Dynamite Entertainment's gonna sit on the comic rights to Battlestar Galactica after this. Next thing will be a Galactica comic based on the theatrical movie.

However all that "Shebang" turns out to be!

Unless the fanbase took steps to contact 'Dynamite' and made a plea about doing a line of Classic BSG comics and gave either a business proposal (series of unreleased story: [submissions/outlines]) or openly gave minor suggestions for BSG comics (even more tricky, this is how comic company steal good concepts for themsleves etc?)

Pity, cos the last big BSG comics revival we ever had was the 'Maximum Press' comics?! Which kinda cashed in on the Sci-fi Channel (back when it was great) repeat showings of BSG on Cable/Satellite in the mid-90's. Realm Press was alright as well, but i can't name more than 5 people who would've managed to buy an issue in comic shops when it was out, mainly cos it was so poorly released etc.

KJ

[spcglider]

I doubt there was a specific intention to used the GINO look over a real BSG aesthetic. More likely it's just a matter of an artist who didn't research and an editor who didn't care. With Dynamite sometimes there's a writer who knows his stuff but not the artist, sometimes it's vice versa, and sometimes it's neither. That's the way all of their licensed books seem to be produced and it's one of the many reasons I'm not a fan of the company.

Then as a TOS fan, I am personally insulted that they didn't even care enough to bother checking into it or having an editor who researched the situation.

It comes down to they don't care. That's sad.

Will we ever see a comic series a) worthy of our fandom and b) done by somebody who cares?

-Gordon

[spcglider]

Well, frankly, if Dynamite asked I'd write a new series for FREE just to see it done properly.

-G

[Reaper]

Well, frankly, if Dynamite asked I'd write a new series for FREE just to see it done properly.

-G

You have my support and assistance, also free of charge!

[KJ]

Look, the answer lies with Dark Horse. At least they have a great deal of care in their licensed out copyrighted works.

How to make the rights turn up there i have no idea, cos it might've been the turnaround the BSG comics have certainly needed. Seeing the rights to Galactica in comics turn up at IDW would also be kinda sweet. Since Star Trek's gotten a new lease on life over there. As of late, there's been several things the BSG fanbase should truly get organised and campaign to see happen and to get done properly overall. The comic book rights over at Dynamite Entertainment being one of them. Fanbases DO have the power to get their desires met with. But it takes some organisation and co-operation as well.

Unless this fanbase had all that, once again its nothing but us making worthwhile comments on a message board!

Demanding Dynamite get their sh*t/felgercarb (*pardon the pun*) together from fans might send a message, only if in unison with a professional layed out request from members etc. Just as getting Universal to do a Galactica based TOS movie has always been a wishful thinking desire of ours, or that of a remastered TOS SE DVD/Blu-Ray re-release? etc...

Power lies with the BSG fans and always has.

It just a sore pity we're not as big nor widespread as Star Trek's or Star Wars' fanbases! Other sci-fi genre shows get more organised than we do (Firefly, Stargate) so whats keeping us back from getting our *dots* together? Letting 'Dynamite Entertaiment' know, what kind of stories and the level of professionalism we expect from them is paramount. Yes, all thats easier said than done, but we all know this fanbase is a Sleeping Giant/Juggernaut!

There's enough decent BSG fanfic out there i'd like to see be BSG comic books, same with the unproduced BSG TOS scripts, and all-new original stories too. Mixed in with other untapped material, there is a wealth of stuff that hasn't even been tried nor attempted yet, that'll lead to any comic book fan saying this comic series is award winning "A-List" gold!

Alas without enough vocal support from fans or anybody else knowing about it, another avenue of potential new TOS BSG stories is cut off from us!

:(

Better organisation from the fanbase in general on the various BSG websites to any and all issues regarding Battlestar Galactica would probably help our issues along.

* Pacific Forums for the Comics. Others for the Movie, original series, fanwork etc. all in their seperate forums where issues raised might be handled with a campaign if it came down to it!

* Getting help to our querries with outside contacts or whatever. Would help if some of us had insiders at studios or comic companies that'll lend a hand or help out with pointing us in the right direction etc

* E-mail, letter writing forums for any actual campaigns. etc.

Just mere examples....

KJ

[peter noble]

Galactica 1980 #2 preview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3583&disp=table

On sale this week.

[JLHurley]

Just finished #2 and it's pretty much the same as #1. I find myself rooting for the Cylons. Hope they blow everyone up by series' end.

[Eric Paddon]

A G80 comic?

Feh, wouldn't purchase it anyways. Why haven't Dynamite even bother doing some Classic BG comics stories


Oh they did, once upon a time. And never was there a more worthless piece of crap ever put out by a company purporting to do a story worthy of being called "Battlestar Galactica" with their insistence on a bizarro multi-part story taking place during the action of Saga which could not possibly have remotely fit into the chronology of that episode or of what followed, characters not acting at all according to their proper template (their Starbuck was acting suspiciously like a GINO Starbuck with his mouthing off to Adama in the opening scenes), and on top of that a "special thanks to Ron Moore" in the opening issue but not a single credit mentioning the name of Glen Larson until it had to be pointed out to them. And Gordon I'm sure recalls what a barrel of laughs those clowns who ran their message board were with their condescending disinformation of "We're only going to do stories set during the episodes" and then having the nerve to say we needed to get a petition with 10,000 signatures just to prove the viability of post-HOG stories continuing the storyline!

After that, I would never spend a nickel on anything Dynamite put out or trust them to do anything right. I'm glad I saved my money on this.

[Athene]

Oh they did, once upon a time. And never was there a more worthless piece of crap ever put out by a company purporting to do a story worthy of being called "Battlestar Galactica" with their insistence on a bizarro multi-part story taking place during the action of Saga which could not possibly have remotely fit into the chronology of that episode or of what followed, characters not acting at all according to their proper template (their Starbuck was acting suspiciously like a GINO Starbuck with his mouthing off to Adama in the opening scenes), and on top of that a "special thanks to Ron Moore" in the opening issue but not a single credit mentioning the name of Glen Larson until it had to be pointed out to them. And Gordon I'm sure recalls what a barrel of laughs those clowns who ran their message board were with their condescending disinformation of "We're only going to do stories set during the episodes" and then having the nerve to say we needed to get a petition with 10,000 signatures just to prove the viability of post-HOG stories continuing the storyline!

After that, I would never spend a nickel on anything Dynamite put out or trust them to do anything right. I'm glad I saved my money on this.
Good to know.
I was thinking about buying one.

[WarMachine]

I would like to officially vote that if anyone knows how to write/draw a comic (I don't), there's the canon first season, followed by VS's 2 & 3.

If people are willing to put in the time without the money (how many fanfics are there - lousy, poor, okay, pretty good, OMG-Awesome - out there?), then we can have a full suite of our own....

...And if someone then passed on the fact that we are distributing our own stories, without charging for them, because no one will make any that are worth a damn.....

[KJ]

If people are willing to put in the time without the money (how many fanfics are there - lousy, poor, okay, pretty good, OMG-Awesome - out there?), then we can have a full suite of our own....

...And if someone then passed on the fact that we are distributing our own stories, without charging for them, because no one will make any that are worth a damn.....

Agreed WarMachine!

Thats what fandom will have to do eventually and not rely on companies to do it. BSG Fandom could get their attention by producing TOS based Galactica comics.

They would have to be very very professionally done though to garner attention of an audience though. The industry got great independent talent looking for work freelance and whatnot etc.

Should've broken into it myself by now. :(

And yes, if anybody wants, i'll come back again soon with a list various fanfics, novels and short stories (old 'BSG annuals') i've found to be interesting enough to be made into worthy BSG comics. And of course, the unfilmed season 1 Galactica scripts! Perhaps even some of the better outlined season 2 plots from Larson's supposed rough outlined draft of season 2 episodes; barring 'Return Of The Pegasus' with some logical changes made to Larson's poorly conceived and rather rushed ideas (i.e. Sheba getting killed of?) etc.

Production wise, it wouldn't ever be easy to do. But then again its not entirely impossible to organise, develop and put together even for this fanbase?! Reckon it can be done if fans were totally serious and motivated enough about it all.

KJ

[PaulGTweed]

Galactica:1980 #2 has a MAJOR CONTRADICTION. In issue #1 Colonel Boomer is on the Galactica when it is shot down over Washington D.C. But, in issue #2 Colonel Boomer is in his Viper uniform on the Rising Star with Doctor Zee.

[Dawg]

Paul!

Will you please check your email address again? You can access it through the User CP in the menu bar at the top of the page. It's bouncing again.

Just a little off-topic, but... ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[PaulGTweed]

Paul!

Will you please check your email address again? You can access it through the User CP in the menu bar at the top of the page. It's bouncing again.

Just a little off-topic, but... ;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Dawg, I sent you e-mails with my corrected e-mail address! Have you checked to see if the problem of the bouncing e-mails is on your end. Please send e-mail to my Yahoo account pgtweed@yahoo.com!

[Dawg]

We'll consider this the ultimate test, Paul. I've changed your email in the database. You should get the notification that I have posted in this thread at your Yahoo address. If you don't, and I get it bounced, we know the problem is deeper than we thought.

Sorry for the interruption to the thread, folks!

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[PaulGTweed]

We'll consider this the ultimate test, Paul. I've changed your email in the database. You should get the notification that I have posted in this thread at your Yahoo address. If you don't, and I get it bounced, we know the problem is deeper than we thought.

Sorry for the interruption to the thread, folks!

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

E-Mail notification was received in my Yahoo mail.

[Dawg]

E-Mail notification was received in my Yahoo mail.

Then we apparently either had it in the system wrong, or your email server didn't like the email coming from Fleets.

At least we resolved the issue... ;)

Thanks, Paul.

We now return control of this thread back to its participants.... :D

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[peter noble]

Issue #3 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3889&disp=table

[WarMachine]

Issue #3 preview: http://comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=3889&disp=table

Ick:

Dr. Zee: "The end justifies the means!" *with little-evil-kid sneer on face*

Me: BANG! - The End

[Reaper]

Ick:

Dr. Zee: "The end justifies the means!" *with little-evil-kid sneer on face*

Me: BANG! - The End

That kid would get his ass handed to him!!1 I'd boot him out the nearest airlock

[JLHurley]

This is such a ridiculous story. I'm still hoping the Cylons blow everyone to Hades and take the actual comic in my hands with them. The best thing about the current issue had to be the Dynamite Dispatch page that stated next issue is the last.

[KJ]

Well, you know what the naysayers are going to say about us on here. That TOS fans can't be satisfied no matter what, and that those Galactica fanboys won't ever be pleased with anything put out by a comic company they absolutely have no influence with whatsoever etc. Like i've said before, might as well go the independent route and do our own BSG web or actual printed comic book/graphic novel. And get a professional artist, inker, writer to do it!

The current G80 comic seems to be a 'bizarro world' incarnation of what might happen if the series was revisited today as a re-imaginning! *sigh* sorry to say, making G80 all 'gritty' doesn't save nor make it better than TOS BG unfortunately for the writers or Dynamite Entertainment. When Realm Press folded, i fretted about the BG comic book rights. They turned up at Dynamite, seemly we had another shot in the arm. Well that too failed. Seriously, as fans of classic BG, apparently, you should all be concerned where, when and what exactly happens to those copyrights to any Galactica comic books when this is all over?

The story's pant, but what are you all going to do when the last issue's done?!

:(

KJ

[WarMachine]

Are there available hack-packs for Activision's "The Movies" or SIMS3 that can make "Colonial" animations?

If so, one route I vote for is an animated series using VS2/3, as they are internally consistent with both themselves and the CBSG timeline, with eps posted to YouTube or GoogleVideo channels. Understand, however, that they would all be no-money jobbers, to avoid copyright issues.

The CGI/Animation route is really our best option, because while live-action fan films are exceedingly cool, I just don't know that we as a fan-base have the cash to pull them off consistently...

...Unless either GAL or some sugar-daddy rides to the rescue, that's our only realistic route.

[KJ]

Nah man, i'm into the comics and its art, always have, always will!

Any CGI animated series better be very 'high class' and done in Maya or some other fancy program to handle the job. Long as it was a team effort done by dedicated independents or something. Cos its about time this fanbase had a Galactica project of some kind. That was done by a team/group of people, and not merely one individual.

Still prefer it, if we had the comic book rights though.

KJ

[PaulGTweed]

Nah man, i'm into the comics and its art, always have, always will!

Any CGI animated series better be very 'high class' and done in Maya or some other fancy program to handle the job. Long as it was a team effort done by dedicated independents or something. Cos its about time this fanbase had a Galactica project of some kind. That was done by a team/group of people, and not merely one individual.

Still prefer it, if we had the comic book rights though.

KJ

Considering the dismal sales for Dynamite's Battlestar Galactica comic books, Galactica:1980 may be the last BSG comic book series from Dynamite. Also in #3 Baltar says the Humans created the Cylons. He should have said Count Iblis genetically manipulated the reptillian Cylons into what they are today.

[KJ]

See this is the problem. Copyright owners who lack the respect of the source material to actually put out original stories with commitment and due dilligence and care for the classic BG series.

You wouldn't mix up the Star Trek spinoffs with the original Trek series unless it was a crossover. So why in god's name would they want to mix up stuff from G.I.N.O. with classic BG?

Also in #3 Baltar says the Humans created the Cylons. He should have said Count Iblis genetically manipulated the reptillian Cylons into what they are today.

Lazyness of the G80 comic book writers! Like i've said before, you can't take something like G80 and turn it into a dark and gritty drama in comic form or reinvent it through another TV incarnation, anymore than i could taken a kid's show like; 'Sesame Street' and turn it into a R-Rated violent action flick with Big Bird cussing and swearing like a sailor, Grover look all glum wanting to frack anybody and everything in sight and Oscar The Grouch allowing rape and murder in the streets to go on!

Doesn't work.

So i can't imagine that or Dr Zee pulling a: look how dark and gritty i am, by being all twsied and full of surprises nonsense malarkey, out of nowhere (i browse the comic at shops to see how bad it is etc?). Its just so heartbreaking seeing the comic material of Battlestar being wasted like this, when so many greater potential stories exist out there for the original version?!?

So yeah. Long as those copyrights once again end up somewhere else that matters (IDW or Dark Horse Comics.) we ain't going to see another worthwhile BG comic happen again anytime soon, unless that movie goes into production and we see something major come about from it all. Realistically speaking, only the big hype of the Galactica movie being made would allow for another jaunt through Classic/Rebooted BG universe. In anyway, shape or form again.

And that kind of move would open so many doors should Battlestar Galactica be a success once revived properly. And allow for any written or comic made EU to exist besides it.

KJ

[PaulGTweed]

See this is the problem. Copyright owners who lack the respect of the source material to actually put out original stories with commitment and due dilligence and care for the classic BG series.

You wouldn't mix up the Star Trek spinoffs with the original Trek series unless it was a crossover. So why in god's name would they want to mix up stuff from G.I.N.O. with classic BG?



Lazyness of the G80 comic book writers! Like i've said before, you can't take something like G80 and turn it into a dark and gritty drama in comic form or reinvent it through another TV incarnation, anymore than i could taken a kid's show like; 'Sesame Street' and turn it into a R-Rated violent action flick with Big Bird cussing and swearing like a sailor, Grover look all glum wanting to frack anybody and everything in sight and Oscar The Grouch allowing rape and murder in the streets to go on!

Doesn't work.

So i can't imagine that or Dr Zee pulling a: look how dark and gritty i am, by being all twsied and full of surprises nonsense malarkey, out of nowhere (i browse the comic at shops to see how bad it is etc?). Its just so heartbreaking seeing the comic material of Battlestar being wasted like this, when so many greater potential stories exist out there for the original version?!?

So yeah. Long as those copyrights once again end up somewhere else that matters (IDW or Dark Horse Comics.) we ain't going to see another worthwhile BG comic happen again anytime soon, unless that movie goes into production and we see something major come about from it all. Realistically speaking, only the big hype of the Galactica movie being made would allow for another jaunt through Classic/Rebooted BG universe. In anyway, shape or form again.

And that kind of move would open so many doors should Battlestar Galactica be a success once revived properly. And allow for any written or comic made EU to exist besides it.

KJ A dark and gritty version of Galactica:1980 could be done. The scene with Adama pointing a laser pistol at his head is not out of character. A deleted scene in Saga of a Star World shows Adama wanting to give up command. MAD and Cracked Magazines did dark parodies of Sesame Street back in the 1970's and 1980's.

[PaulGTweed]

Here is one continuity mistake in Galactica:1980. In issue 1, Colonel Boomer is on the Galactica when the missle hits the ship. How he managed to get to the Rising Star (in issue #2) before the missle brought down the Galactica is not mentioned. After Adama said "My God. Zee was right." He should have ordered "POSITIVE SHIELDS NOW!" A technician responds "Positive shield not responding!" Those lines were crucial to bringing out the tension of the moment. (Positive shield=Raise defense shield. Negative shield= Lower defensive shield)

[David Kerin]

Nah man, i'm into the comics and its art, always have, always will!

Any CGI animated series better be very 'high class' and done in Maya or some other fancy program to handle the job. Long as it was a team effort done by dedicated independents or something. Cos its about time this fanbase had a Galactica project of some kind. That was done by a team/group of people, and not merely one individual.

Still prefer it, if we had the comic book rights though.

KJ

Sadly I really doubt anything along the lines of a high end animation project will come along unless Singer's movie (if it gets made) becomes a big success and pulls in other people. And in that case it would be more toward the version he brings to the screen. In my opinion the fanbase for the original Galactica is just not there to justify such a production. If there was a large faithful group out there then more would be done by individuals or groups of people, but in all honesty what have we seen done? Especially compared to the ongoing and growing contributions that Trek fans or Star Wars fans create for their scifi interests.

Maybe I'm in a particularly negative mood or something, but in an honest look at being an original series Battlestar fan, I'm part of a small but dedicated group. The love of the original Galactica will go with me to my grave, but as a fandom, what has really been done? We have not, and likely will not, make a mark in the internet world that something like Star Trek The New Voyages has because there is simply not the number of people who will check it out. I would love for something like that to be done... some projects orchestrated by a group of dedicated fans... but I don't see it happening because egos, opinions, differences and lords know what else always get in the way, people start fighting over every point, and in the end nothing happens.

Ah well... enough negativity. I have things I should be rendering.

Dave

[KJ]

A dark and gritty version of Galactica:1980 could be done. The scene with Adama pointing a laser pistol at his head is not out of character. A deleted scene in Saga of a Star World shows Adama wanting to give up command. MAD and Cracked Magazines did dark parodies of Sesame Street back in the 1970's and 1980's.

Could be done perhaps, but for whom exactly? Its not as if G80 was good for Battlestar Galactica fans anyways. And it not even liked by us original series fans that much, lets be honest.

Far as my Sesame Street reference goes (and went). In a dark parody way, yes kinda. I just meant not totally outright like an ongoing series is all. I do however remember Peter Jackson's movie; Meet The Feebles. So a dark sesame street incarnation yes and no i guess. Yes in that it can be done, but no in that, it'll work only as a parody and not something that should last as an ongoing series.

Maybe I'm in a particularly negative mood or something, but in an honest look at being an original series Battlestar fan, I'm part of a small but dedicated group. The love of the original Galactica will go with me to my grave, but as a fandom, what has really been done? We have not, and likely will not, make a mark in the internet world that something like Star Trek The New Voyages has because there is simply not the number of people who will check it out. I would love for something like that to be done... some projects orchestrated by a group of dedicated fans... but I don't see it happening because egos, opinions, differences and lords know what else always get in the way, people start fighting over every point, and in the end nothing happens.

Ah well... enough negativity. I have things I should be rendering.


Didn't mean to sound like a broken record David. Its just that as fans we're always going to go overboard with passionate opinions about what we love. And i guess we kinda want unrealistic things at times. Still a fella can dream occasionally of what might be if such a thing was possible for the fandom. But yes, long as we don't fool ourselves with things that can't happen, going small scale somewhat, is what's usually credible with this franchise.

Laters :salute::cool:

KJ

[peter noble]

Maybe I'm in a particularly negative mood or something, but in an honest look at being an original series Battlestar fan, I'm part of a small but dedicated group. The love of the original Galactica will go with me to my grave, but as a fandom, what has really been done? We have not, and likely will not, make a mark in the internet world that something like Star Trek The New Voyages has because there is simply not the number of people who will check it out. I would love for something like that to be done... some projects orchestrated by a group of dedicated fans... but I don't see it happening because egos, opinions, differences and lords know what else always get in the way, people start fighting over every point, and in the end nothing happens.

Ah well... enough negativity. I have things I should be rendering.

Dave

David, I think a BG fan project on the scale of Phase II or the Star Wars ones is beyond the fanbase, because you're right, there isn't that much of an active presence anymore.

Also, something like BG, to really do it justice, takes a lot of ambition, planning and cash.

Going the all-CG route like you did, is the answer, but then again, there aren't the modelling resources out there like you have with Trek and Star Wars.

That's partly down to there being (until recently) not a lot of reference for the models, but the fact that there isn't any 100 per cent accurate CG models out there after 30 years is pretty appalling.

Setting a project in the past or possible future timeline of the show can get round fan niggles, but being the master of your own destiny, as you've done David, seems to be the answer to the egos and such. In the end end you only have to please yourself and if other people like what you do, it's a bonus.

If the movie doesn't happen, then I can see the online fan presence finally dying.

[David Kerin]

"master of your own destiny"... I really like the sound of that. Have to remind myself of that every now and then.

Thanks Peter, and well said. I do hope the movie happens and gets some life back into the spirit of what Battlestar Galactica should be. Otherwise... I just have this feeling its going to fade out to pasture. And that would be a shame, because there is so much potential to this story.

[peter noble]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=4211&disp=table

[PaulGTweed]

The previews for Galactica:1980 #4, Commander Adama thinks Earth Nukes are a Super Weapon because one brought down the Galactica with it's Shields up. If the writer had read the novels for 'Experiment in Terra' and Galactica:1980-Galactica Discovers Earth as well as WATCHED BOTH SERIES he would know that Nukes CANNOT bring down the Galactica with its defense shields up. The only way an Earth Nuke could bring down the Galactica is with the Galactica's shields down. Issue #4 has one good scene: The appearance of the Flying Motorcycles (Turbines).

[KJ]

The previews for Galactica:1980 #4, Commander Adama thinks Earth Nukes are a Super Weapon because one brought down the Galactica with it's Shields up. If the writer had read the novels for 'Experiment in Terra' and Galactica:1980-Galactica Discovers Earth as well as WATCHED BOTH SERIES he would know that Nukes CANNOT bring down the Galactica with its defense shields up. The only way an Earth Nuke could bring down the Galactica is with the Galactica's shields down. Issue #4 has one good scene: The appearance of the Flying Motorcycles (Turbines).

I.E. = Dynamite stopped caring about classic Galactica comics, by only putting out two mini series comics compared to the 'bare' Gino ones! Thus waiting for any logic or continuity on the writers part at this stage; is folly to say the least!

Like i said once its done that it, the copyrights to Battlestar Galactica are going into limbo until something happens regarding the BG movie. I know this, you know this, and they know it!

Issue #4 has one good scene: The appearance of the Flying Motorcycles (Turbines).

Only thing really ironic about this G80 comic book series, is how they've made the Cylons far more ruthless than they were in the original BG series! Something they were always meant to be, but weren't cos of Network interferences and 'Standards & Practices' watching over the series' episodes and messing things up. Seeing as G80 is inferior to BG, having more ruthless Cylons in a G80 re-imaginning is something of a pisstake and 'bizarro world' style shift from what TOS BG should've done with the Cylons as antagonistic enemies!

I'd say send in your rather clever pointing out of the nukes issue to Dynamite, but chances of them printing it in the comic book letter pages would be too late and remote, and it'll probably be ignored (comic writers hate being pointed out to be very foolish and lazy in their work).

KJ

[PaulGTweed]

I.E. = Dynamite stopped caring about classic Galactica comics, by only putting out two mini series comics compared to the 'bare' Gino ones! Thus waiting for any logic or continuity on the writers part at this stage; is folly to say the least!

Like i said once its done that it, the copyrights to Battlestar Galactica are going into limbo until something happens regarding the BG movie. I know this, you know this, and they know it!

Issue #4 has one good scene: The appearance of the Flying Motorcycles (Turbines).

Only thing really ironic about this G80 comic book series, is how they've made the Cylons far more ruthless than they were in the original BG series! Something they were always meant to be, but weren't cos of Network interferences and 'Standards & Practices' watching over the series' episodes and messing things up. Seeing as G80 is inferior to BG, having more ruthless Cylons in a G80 re-imaginning is something of a pisstake and 'bizarro world' style shift from what TOS BG should've done with the Cylons as antagonistic enemies!

I'd say send in your rather clever pointing out of the nukes issue to Dynamite, but chances of them printing it in the comic book letter pages would be too late and remote, and it'll probably be ignored (comic writers hate being pointed out to be very foolish and lazy in their work).

KJ In Experiment in Terra, Omega describes the Missles about to destroy The Eastern Alliance and The Nationalists on Terra as "PRIMITIVE ARMED NUCLEAR TYPE". How are 1980's Earth Nukes more advanced than an extraterrestial Terra's Nukes?

[KJ]

And to add to that, ironically in G.I.N.O.'s pilot. A "low-yield" nuke (once again extraterrestial) rams the hull of the Galactica and cause damage and kills some crew. But not nearly enough to cause destruction of any kind, and the 'outer hull' was still intact, with the fires being put out and internal infrastructure not totally shell-shocked. Same to the re-imaginned Pegasus in Razor too.

Think its safe to say in either version nukes weren't powerful enough to destroy the Galactica, albeit without heavy constant bombardment with fantastic levels of 'nuclear-yields' that are tremendously high, hitting the old girl, that is! So unless Count Iblis appears at the end and its revealed "HE" tampered with the Earth "nukes" and gave them enough yield to take out a Battlestar. The writers sure cocked up with this error! Bah, why are we even bothering to justify or point the errors out anyways. Apart from browsing through it at comic shops, that G80 comic ain't going in my comics collection! I'll support BG when the comic's decently produced and the respect for the 'source material' there in the pages clear and present for all to see (IDW and 'Dark Horse' comics style).

The majority of the Star Trek and Star Wars comics successes however, are to be envied at times folks! They've got reams of knockout stories that put some of their various Sci-Fi movies and TV shows over the several decades to shame, seriously!

:cool:

KJ

[JLHurley]

Just when you think a BG comic can't get any worse, someone just has to go and prove you wrong. Here's hoping Galactica 1981 doesn't see the light of day. I think I'd rather see Troy and Dillon in a dance routine than read more of this junk.

[PaulGTweed]

Baltar calls Commander Adama as Bill. Commander Adama had a glorious death, just like the Living Legend would go out in a blaze of glory. The replacement Battlestar (before the Galactica:1981 annoucement. THAT COMIC SERIES WON'T HAPPEN!) is the Re-Imagined Galactica. Even at close range, the Cylon Basestars defense shields would deflect a primitive Nuke explosion that would not bring down their shields.

[PaulGTweed]

And to add to that, ironically in G.I.N.O.'s pilot. A "low-yield" nuke (once again extraterrestial) rams the hull of the Galactica and cause damage and kills some crew. But not nearly enough to cause destruction of any kind, and the 'outer hull' was still intact, with the fires being put out and internal infrastructure not totally shell-shocked. Same to the re-imaginned Pegasus in Razor too.

Think its safe to say in either version nukes weren't powerful enough to destroy the Galactica, albeit without heavy constant bombardment with fantastic levels of 'nuclear-yields' that are tremendously high, hitting the old girl, that is! So unless Count Iblis appears at the end and its revealed "HE" tampered with the Earth "nukes" and gave them enough yield to take out a Battlestar. The writers sure cocked up with this error! Bah, why are we even bothering to justify or point the errors out anyways. Apart from browsing through it at comic shops, that G80 comic ain't going in my comics collection! I'll support BG when the comic's decently produced and the respect for the 'source material' there in the pages clear and present for all to see (IDW and 'Dark Horse' comics style).

The majority of the Star Trek and Star Wars comics successes however, are to be envied at times folks! They've got reams of knockout stories that put some of their various Sci-Fi movies and TV shows over the several decades to shame, seriously!

:cool:

KJ Also, an advanced civilization that considers Nukes primitive will be able to disarm the warheads before the other side can arm them. If you know how a Nuclear Weapon is built, you can disarm the warhead by remote. You can also detonate the Warhead by remote even when they are in an enclosed silo.