Costuming and Props Section

[Kronus]

Well as suggested by Gemini1999, let us start this topic here.

For those of us who would like to discuss costuming and props, ideas on forming a 501st type group that is TOS BSG, post your ideas and comments here.

[monolith21]

Right on! We'll have to move some of the other threads over here! We should start threads for individual props and costume pieces!

[Reaper]

definately moving some fo the posts, and keeping them on topic. I'd say splitting those cou[le of posts I made into several different ones.

Also, as a note, I sent the numbers to Wilco, and I'm expecting to hear back from Bill in the next couple of days on what the prices will be.

Here's to the start of arming our numbers!!! :)

[monolith21]

Very cool!

[Mieal Deneb]

Awesome, Reaper! I'm glad we have a place to discuss. :)

[Mieal Deneb]

Since this is the only home for discussing Costumes and Props, I'll place this here. I've got a tad more done on this than the update shows, but I didn't really think a picture of a flowery pants mock-up would be very interesting, so I didn't bother taking a picture of that. Here is my progress on the uniform for Mark: BSG Uniform Update #2 (http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/2009/02/bsg-update-2.html)

[Mieal Deneb]

Oh going along with the Props part of this, I started a blog for documenting the progress of my daggit build. I won't have much progress, but I wanted to get a start on the blog since I picked up some fabric already.

Muffit Build (http://muffitbuild.blogspot.com/)

:muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit: :muffit:

[Mieal Deneb]

I keep thinking of new things (can you tell I'm excited about classic BSG props and costuming?!!)

(yeah, I wanted to comment on the "TOS BSG"...whenever I see "TOS" I think of Star Trek...I usually refer to the original series of Battlestar Galactica as "Classic BSG".)

Anyway, I had ordered trim for Mark's and my uniforms and it arrived today! I'm so glad there is a vender out there that still makes and sells the black and gold checked trim!! They used to offer the black and silver, but it would require an order of almost 3,000 yards of trim in order for the mill to do it. I'm not planning on putting out that kind of money!! :wtf:

[Reaper63]

Glad to hear The 2 costumes are coming alone :) (well the collection of materials for your's lol :) )

I need to get off my astros and send my boots up to Boston to get reworked and then returned, and I should be ordering a Jacket within the next month. TO get the soft parts started. Witheh Laser/Recharge cylinders/ Languatron project in the works, I think we have a goud group start.

This might be a perfect place to start collecting our resourses, And invite the prop people we know.

[Mieal Deneb]

Well, technically, the Muffit isn't a costume. ;)

We do have the start to a great costuming/prop group going. Can't wait to have more info as a resource for others who are interested but not sure where to go.

[Reaper]

prop prices are posted

please see here

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281525#post281525

[Mieal Deneb]

prop prices are posted

please see here

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281525#post281525

Cool, thanks Reaper. :)

[LordStarFyre]

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!

One thing I'd love to see added here is solid reference info/pics (ie accurate, detailed measurements on the Flight Helmet, Costume Patterns, source links for Jacket Buckles, etc.)

Some of the "relicator" sites want an arm and a leg for stuff I could make myself, and have fun doing it.

I have wanted to build a Flight Helmet for the longest time, but the "kits" I've found were wonky at best, and the wanted a small fortune for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of folks making a profit, but.

Monolith, I LOVE the idea of a 501st style group! Let the opposition stare down a wall of Colonial Warriors :)

[Mieal Deneb]

Hey, I figure, if you can make something you should because that makes it that much more yours.

[Reaper]

EXCELLENT IDEA!!!

One thing I'd love to see added here is solid reference info/pics (ie accurate, detailed measurements on the Flight Helmet, Costume Patterns, source links for Jacket Buckles, etc.)

Some of the "relicator" sites want an arm and a leg for stuff I could make myself, and have fun doing it.

I have wanted to build a Flight Helmet for the longest time, but the "kits" I've found were wonky at best, and the wanted a small fortune for them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of folks making a profit, but.

Monolith, I LOVE the idea of a 501st style group! Let the opposition stare down a wall of Colonial Warriors :)

Not sure if you were interested, but there is an open order thread for Lasers, Recharge cylinders and Languatron kits.

If you want or need any of these, it's still not too late to get involved :)

there is alot of excitment right now with the formation of the Costuming group. :) If for no other reason then to unite the people already out there, and to promote more of it :)

[monolith21]

I'm glad you're on board for this Lord Starfyre! It has been a flurry of ideas for the past week. Almost too many but in a good way! Now just to organize it all into sections and get this thing going!

I started assembling the very list you speak of yesterday. It should be ready to go withing a few days. It'll be cool to finally get all these resources together in one spot!

[monolith21]

Monolith, I LOVE the idea of a 501st style group! Let the opposition stare down a wall of Colonial Warriors :)

That is the idea...AND THAT IS THE SPIRIT! I'm digging this more and more every day.

-Mark

[LordStarFyre]

You know, one thing I would LOVE to see here is something like they have over on these sites

http://www.tk409.com/

http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/index.html

http://www.tk560.com/

Except dedicated to building things like the TOS Flight Helmets (and variations of) Blasters, others props, and even full TOS Cylon outfits.

[Reaper]

You know, one thing I would LOVE to see here is something like they have over on these sites

http://www.tk409.com/

http://www.studiocreations.com/howto/index.html

http://www.tk560.com/

Except dedicated to building things like the TOS Flight Helmets (and variations of) Blasters, others props, and even full TOS Cylon outfits.


All in the works my friend, just need to get thgins started, which we are in the progress orf doing. Since you are taking measurements of the helmet, would you be interested in working up that tutorial?

I'm able to do the gunbelt (again with pictures this time) laser and The Languatron when the new kits arrive here.

[Athene]

I'd like to see artwork of costumes here and more photos...
I think this thread is gonna be fun. ;)

[Aphrodite]

The only thing I have so far are the Colonial Warrior pins...
:warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior:

[Reaper]

The only thing I have so far are the Colonial Warrior pins...
:warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior::warrior:

What's next on the want list? :)

[monolith21]

EDIT

So...as the planning sort of gets underway. I thought I'd throw this out here to see if anyone would want to add or take away from this possible list. This is in no way final. Just something I came up with in a few minutes.

This is just my list of how to organize what I'm trying to compile (I hope everyone contributes!).

Props

Armory
Gear
Helmets
Watches
Computers etc.
Other
Viper builds (Come on...who is first?)
Currency
etc.

Pins/Patches

Costumes
(Colonial)
Battlesuit
Resources
Jacket
Tunic
Gun Belt
Boots
Misc
Snow suit
Assault Uniform
Space Suit
Fire Suit

Dress Uniform
Resources
Cape
Tunic
Dress Belt
Dress Boots
Accessories

Command
Resources
Tunic
Belt
Boots
Commander Cain

Dress Command
Resources
Dress Robes (Like Adama wears)
Standard Dress

Sciences
Resources
Medical/Science Tunic


Security
Resources
Council Securty
Strike Teams
Honor Guard

Cylon
Centurion
Gold
IL Series
Imperious Leader
Reptillian

Misc
Ovions
Borays
Eastern Alliance
Count Iblis
Borellian Nomen

Second Coming

DeSanto/Singer



Civillian (Triad costume anyone? Bueller...)
Resources
Carillon Attire
Off Duty
Young Lords,Magnificent Warriors Etc.

Custom/Non Canon
Resources
Creations

Suggestions
Got an idea for something new?

Council/War Room
Convention planning.
Pilot Debriefing.

Officer's Club
Relax, have some grog, maybe a fumarello or a game of pyramid!

[Reaper]

Monolith, that is a great list you have there!

additons - Baltar! Both his council robes and that Renn Faire like outfit he wears as commander of the basestar. I know he has a standard Colonial laser and holster, but the holster is attached to a black leather belt with a center bar buckle. (Red Eye had a similar belt to hold the Colonial Laser he had)

for the Command costumes, you should have the standard blues, (very similar to the Warrior dress uniform in appearence) The over robe that Adama had on alot, and the cape that Adama added to be extra dressy. I'll have to watch Take the Celestra again, but I believe there was a Blue cape of a similar design to the warriors dress cape that Tigh wore. And the Necklass was silver instead of brass like the Warriors wore.

I believe, but need to watch Greetings from Earth again, that the Science and medical Tunics were VERY similar. I think it may have come down to patch differences. And both had Standard Warrior pants on.

Edit - oh, and MONEY!!! In Magnificent Warriors we see Cubits and gems being used as money, a few otehr types were mentioned as well. those would be nice props :)

[monolith21]

I totally forgot about Cylons and Baltar!!! lol

I know Gordon (Spcglider) used to have resin copies of the Orion Checks available. I'm sure this list is going to grow a lot bigger over time!

[Reaper]

costume jewelry shops have to have all the "gems" we would ever need lol. and I know Disney has gems outside some of the rides at MGM.

Oh yeah, this list is doing to grew and grew!! but this is a good thing. :)

[Aphrodite]

What's next on the want list? :)

Hummmm....good question.

I'd really like a Warrior's jacket. Some patches would be cool, too.

[Bradleyfett]

Addition to the list:

Don't forget the Colonial Spacesuits!

-Mark

[Reaper]

Addition to the list:

Don't forget the Colonial Spacesuits!

-Mark

We're going to rely on you for alot of those details man :) but they will be included!!!

[monolith21]

Added that to the list! Actually that made me wonder what else I missed. Keep those ideas coming so we can get this thing as packed as possible!

[monolith21]

Might just use these as dress boots for now. Ya get what you pay for I know. They're okay for short periods and since most of the time I'll be in my battle boots, this should do fine for a while.

http://easterncoastcostume.com/Pages/gogoboots/boot01.htm

[Mieal Deneb]

I'm not sure if it'd fall under "Props" or "Costumes" since it was technically a costume for a chimp...but you need to add Muffit to the list. :thumbsup:

[Malkyte]

Copied from the Movie Rumor thread:

Actually "putting a face" on original series Galactica fandom is in the mission statement I just came up with!

So far we are going with "Black Star Squadron". Or "Blackstar"...haven't really discussed that. I think you hit the nail squarely on the head of what we're trying to do. It is a costuming group party, but more than that it is an idea of how to bring fans together. Throw a flag out and see who wants to hear what we're all about.

We'll also have a code of conduct regarding our dealings with hostile fans from the RDM series. With the current rumors of a film it just seems like a good time to splash some cold water on our collective faces and have some fun!




So, I didn't know where else to place this, but because it has to do with costumes, I though this would be appropriate. If not, my appologies.

Just a suggestion for a name for the BSG equivelant of the "501st":

Colonial Legions or just Colonial Wariors

I think a squadron can be a local or even regional level name, but for the overall name, it seems like it would be too generic. I could be wrong.

Anyway, just a thought.


Malkyte

[Mieal Deneb]

Malkyte has a very good point. I'm sure it works the same in the 501st, but speaking from my experience in the Rebel Legion, we're called the "Rebel Legion" regardless of costume...thus, a person could be a civilian or medical person and still belong however if they were a pilot they'd join the pilot "division". In the Rebel Legion, there's a pilot division called "Starfighter Command" and under that, each local area has a separate division. The midwest division of the Starfighter Command is called "Shadow Squadron".

So, maybe we could be called something like the "Ragtag Fleet" or "Colonial Colonists", "Colonial Refugees"...including all costumers. Under that the Warrior costumers could be called the "Colonial Warriors" and under that we could have separate Squadrons for local areas?? Just thinking "out loud" here...:smart:

[Bradleyfett]

Excellent point. I think you should start out with one overall group name and then divide it up based on how many of each costume type/member joins.

Maybe '12 Colonies Costuming Group'? That would cover everyone, right?

Mark

[Gemini1999]

Can I ask a question? Just what exactly is the theme of the discussion here? It is a TOS costuming discussion and resource, or is it to be used as a costuming discussion and resource for a revival of some sort? I'm just trying to understand what the actual topic is about. If people are to come to this thread and look at the title, they're probably going to expect info about creating costumes, props, etc from the original series and whatever related discussion that might entail.

If this discussion thread is to be a discussion/resource for a group effort as part of a revival effort, the title might be a bit different so people know what the topic of discussion is when they see the title.

Mind you, I'm not trying to be all control freakish or anything, just making some suggestion or two.

Bryan

[Mieal Deneb]

Since there is only this topic for discussion of costumes and props, we've sort of turned this thread into an "all things costumes and props" discussion. We're talking about recreating classic/original costumes and props as well as starting up a costuming group. Or, anything else costume/prop related anyone wants to discuss.

[Kronus]

Can I ask a question? Just what exactly is the theme of the discussion here? It is a TOS costuming discussion and resource, or is it to be used as a costuming discussion and resource for a revival of some sort? I'm just trying to understand what the actual topic is about. If people are to come to this thread and look at the title, they're probably going to expect info about creating costumes, props, etc from the original series and whatever related discussion that might entail.

If this discussion thread is to be a discussion/resource for a group effort as part of a revival effort, the title might be a bit different so people know what the topic of discussion is when they see the title.

Mind you, I'm not trying to be all control freakish or anything, just making some suggestion or two.

Bryan

Totally understand your post here, which was why some had asked for a costuming section within the forum so we could discuss the wide variety of topics this subject stirs...would you be able to help us get a section dedicated just for costuming and and even for the costuming guild? This would help us out a lot!

[Reaper]

ok, back to some costume discussion -

I watched Mission Galactica last night before going to sleep, and noticved a few things, Well, confirmed a few things it more like it lol.

Mostly about Cassiopia's Med Tech costume. The dress itself seems to ahve stayed fairly consistant through the run, but details have changed.

The dress seems to be made fromt he same material as the Warrior's Beige uniform. But the pattern is more in the way of the Selik's Medical tunic. (the dress zippers up the back, similarly to the medical Tunic. (zipper goes from the neck line to about the butt area) Another difference with her dress is it's missing the pockets that Selik's tunic had. there appears to be no pockets at all on the dress.

The interesting thing about the costume is the patch. For the first half of the run, Cassie has a Standard Galactica Patch no her arm. It wasn't till Fire in Space that she had the diamond shapped patch on her arm. (Mission Galactica was a good thing to watch, cause you saw the change in the patch)

That's all I got in the one viewing. Hope that helps :)

[Bradleyfett]

Great observations!

A couple notes on the med tunics- at least two different materials were used during the series. Jim and I each have a medical tunic that are completely different materials of very similar colors. The one I have has a clear circular outline where a patch WAS sewn on prior to the diamond med patch. I believe this one dates back to the pilot movie; as you observed, the diamond patch came later.

Mark



ok, back to some costume discussion -

I watched Mission Galactica last night before going to sleep, and noticved a few things, Well, confirmed a few things it more like it lol.

Mostly about Cassiopia's Med Tech costume. The dress itself seems to ahve stayed fairly consistant through the run, but details have changed.

The dress seems to be made fromt he same material as the Warrior's Beige uniform. But the pattern is more in the way of the Selik's Medical tunic. (the dress zippers up the back, similarly to the medical Tunic. (zipper goes from the neck line to about the butt area) Another difference with her dress is it's missing the pockets that Selik's tunic had. there appears to be no pockets at all on the dress.

The interesting thing about the costume is the patch. For the first half of the run, Cassie has a Standard Galactica Patch no her arm. It wasn't till Fire in Space that she had the diamond shapped patch on her arm. (Mission Galactica was a good thing to watch, cause you saw the change in the patch)

That's all I got in the one viewing. Hope that helps :)

[Reaper]

outstanding Mark, thank you!!!

It's possible you're tunic is fromt he Doc that had all the scenes with Serina, in the deleted dying scenes. I'd have to see the scenes again to confirm what patch he had, but I'd bet it's the Galactica patch.

Do either of you know which actors wore the tunics?

[Bradleyfett]

There are no names in either tunic, so we always assumed it was background med or science personell.

Mark

[monolith21]

We should probably break this into a few different threads. Gemini, I think we were all just putting it here to keep it straight! Right now there is a flurry of ideas...which is a good thing, but I can see it getting a confusing for someone coming in and reading it.

What is being discussed so far would be "Props and Costuming" and the new Cotuming group. The promotional ideas all fall under the mission statement of the costuming group.

As far as the squadron name, here is the reasoning behind why we went with a single squadron. Staying within canon we're not breaking into Battlestars or things of that nature. The reason we wanted to launch this thing here was that it would be part of...the colonial fleet! Instead of just "Colonial Warriors". The fleet encompases all military and civillian concepts within the canon.

Within that the military aspects would fall under Blackstar Squadron. Therefore all of us would be encompassed under the banner "Colonial Fleet: Black Star Squadron". Its catchier than just coming up with a costuming moniker. A lot falls under "Rebel Legion" and the "501st" as well from military to political.

A few of us have been working to organize all of this so we don't end up with mix matched threads like this. I promise it will all be organized soon Gemini! Of course that organization will just be a starting point for more ideas so keep 'em coming!!!

[Kronus]

mark, its this what you would like to suggest that the boards to be broken up into?

EDIT

So...as the planning sort of gets underway. I thought I'd throw this out here to see if anyone would want to add or take away from this possible list. This is in no way final. Just something I came up with in a few minutes.

This is just my list of how to organize what I'm trying to compile (I hope everyone contributes!).

Props

Armory
Gear
Helmets
Watches
Computers etc.
Other
Viper builds (Come on...who is first?)
Currency
etc.

Pins/Patches

Costumes
(Colonial)
Battlesuit
Resources
Jacket
Tunic
Gun Belt
Boots
Misc
Snow suit
Assault Uniform
Space Suit
Fire Suit

Dress Uniform
Resources
Cape
Tunic
Dress Belt
Dress Boots
Accessories

Command
Resources
Tunic
Belt
Boots
Commander Cain

Dress Command
Resources
Dress Robes (Like Adama wears)
Standard Dress

Sciences
Resources
Medical/Science Tunic


Security
Resources
Council Securty
Strike Teams
Honor Guard

Cylon
Centurion
Gold
IL Series
Imperious Leader
Reptillian

Misc
Ovions
Borays
Eastern Alliance
Count Iblis
Borellian Nomen

Second Coming

DeSanto/Singer



Civillian (Triad costume anyone? Bueller...)
Resources
Carillon Attire
Off Duty
Young Lords,Magnificent Warriors Etc.

Custom/Non Canon
Resources
Creations

Suggestions
Got an idea for something new?

Council/War Room
Convention planning.
Pilot Debriefing.

Officer's Club
Relax, have some grog, maybe a fumarello or a game of pyramid!

[monolith21]

On my way to PM you brother!

[Bradleyfett]

Ed,

Another note on the med uniform patch switch- after scanning through the eps, it appears that the med/science tunic bore the regular circular BSG patch until Fire In Space. All the medical personel have the diamond patch in that show and thereafter.

Mark

[Mieal Deneb]

I'd be very interested to know more about the two (or more??) kinds of fabrics that the med tunics were made of.

I watched "Lost Planet of the Gods" last night before going to bed, and I thought I saw a center chest pocket on Cass' dress...it might just be that it had seams like the doc's tunic but no pocket...? I'll have to look at it closer.

[Bradleyfett]

Not sure about Cass' dress/pocket- I would assume it did have the same kind of pocket from a cosisitancy-of-design standpoint.

The med tunic material is very different from the warrior uniforms/jackets. Its a much more standard type of material. I'll show it to some friends who know material better than I do and see if I can ID it.

Mark

[Mieal Deneb]

My guess would be it's probably more along the lines of a cotton/poplin sort of material. ?

[Bradleyfett]

Probably if I remember correctly. It has no sheen to it at all, so its probably all cotton.

Mark

[Gemini1999]

Probably if I remember correctly. It has no sheen to it at all, so its probably all cotton.

Mark

Mark -

I would have to agree with it being some sort of cotton or poplin. The ultra suede that was used to make most of the uniforms doesn't drape very well with the normal weight fabrics that were used. The capes also used an ultra suede, but they had a lining underneath, so they held their shape better.

The only sad thing about using some sort of cotton or poplin is that those fabrics are prone to wrinkling - the good news is that we've made a lot of progress and have non-wrinkle cotton blends that weren't available in 1978.

Bryan

[Aphrodite]

What about the pressure suits under the uniforms?? You men should know what I'm talking about. ;)

[Reaper]

What about the pressure suits under the uniforms?? You men should know what I'm talking about. ;)

I have actually thought that would make a decent after hours costume at Dragon Con lol.

Of course It's not somethign I should ask to be included in the costumes lol

[Reaper]

I'd be very interested to know more about the two (or more??) kinds of fabrics that the med tunics were made of.

I watched "Lost Planet of the Gods" last night before going to bed, and I thought I saw a center chest pocket on Cass' dress...it might just be that it had seams like the doc's tunic but no pocket...? I'll have to look at it closer.


this is the best shot I have out of my random screen cap folder,
http://images49.fotki.com/v1457/photos/4/451189/5568033/VImage047-vi.jpg
Looking at this shot, there does seem to be some extra material where the top pocket is on the medical tunic, but I don't see the "top" of the pocket.

This is an earlier grap, showing the zipper in the back
http://images26.fotki.com/v912/photos/4/451189/5568033/VImage046-vi.jpg

this is from Living Legand. It sort of shows what could be the top of the pocket,
http://images47.fotki.com/v1478/photos/4/451189/5568033/VImage117-vi.jpg
I'll try to get more of Cassie on thurs night, I'll put somethign on the computer and watch. :)


As a side note, and to continue some costume discussion (now with photos lol)

In that last photo you can see the Pegasus honor guard costumes. Unlike the Galactica honor guards, the gloves do not have smaller patches on them. the Tan's are worn just liek the dress uniform, withthe dress boots and belt. But no cape or Necklace. The do not wear a laser gunbelt.

[monolith21]

What about the pressure suits under the uniforms?? You men should know what I'm talking about. ;)

Ah the pressure suits...:love: I've thought about those. Using some kind of underarmor type of suit dyed and modded might actually be good to wear under the uniform!

[Mieal Deneb]

You know very well they created the pressure suits specifically for the men watching, right? ;) Makes me wonder what the men's version would have looked like...

I expect they were probably made out of some sort of spandex material.

[Gemini1999]

You know very well they created the pressure suits specifically for the men watching, right? ;) Makes me wonder what the men's version would have looked like...

I expect they were probably made out of some sort of spandex material.

There are modern forms of spandex that have a metallic look to them without showing anything underneath. I think that if a pressure suit was designed for a guy, then it would definitely require what is referred to as a "dance belt", which is used to reign part the male body to be less obvious or obtrusive when wearing something that is form fitting. I think that if you found something that was somewhat body colored in tone, but had that metallic or somewhat sparkly look, it would give the impression of a relatively sheer garment without it really being so.

Bryan

[Reaper]

You know very well they created the pressure suits specifically for the men watching, right? ;) Makes me wonder what the men's version would have looked like...

I expect they were probably made out of some sort of spandex material.


It was called a Triad uniform, that's what was done for the women lol

[monolith21]

Oooh...ouch. I'd say the women got the short end of the stick then! Should we even put those in the costume section? Might be a fun game to play but I wouldn't wear that get up on a dare!

[Aphrodite]

There are modern forms of spandex that have a metallic look to them without showing anything underneath. I think that if a pressure suit was designed for a guy, then it would definitely require what is referred to as a "dance belt", which is used to reign part the male body to be less obvious or obtrusive when wearing something that is form fitting. I think that if you found something that was somewhat body colored in tone, but had that metallic or somewhat sparkly look, it would give the impression of a relatively sheer garment without it really being so.

Bryan

Sort of like Seven of Nine's outfit on ST: Voyager.

[Aphrodite]

Oooh...ouch. I'd say the women got the short end of the stick then! Should we even put those in the costume section? Might be a fun game to play but I wouldn't wear that get up on a dare!

I have to agree with that. I mean, yeah, we got to see some beefcake, but those outfits did need to be improved.

[Sarika]

It was called a Triad uniform, that's what was done for the women lol
Oh yeah!!!:P::naughty:http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa185/princesssarika/heart5.gif(Oh Behave Sarika!!)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa185/princesssarika/murder9.jpg

[monolith21]

I'm all over reproducing that silver volleyball! Easiest prop ever!

[Kester Pelagius]

I did a bit of Google searching for uniform patterns and found a few sites that may be of interest:

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/2008/07/classic-battlestar-galactica.html

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/2009/01/classic-battlestar-galactica-uniform.html

As for the pressure suits I think a body suit like the one worn by Maribel Verdú in the following pic may work:

http://www.cine5x.com/fotos/maribel_verdu_12.jpg

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's a lycra bodysuit and may be something available off-the-rack somewhere.

A site with decent pics of costumes:

http://www.ketzer.com/original_movie_props/index.html

A site selling costume gear ('spensive!):

http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/9667

[monolith21]

GREAT resources!:thumbsup:

[Mieal Deneb]

I did a bit of Google searching for uniform patterns and found a few sites that may be of interest:

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/2008/07/classic-battlestar-galactica.html

http://costumesandartwork.blogspot.com/2009/01/classic-battlestar-galactica-uniform.html

As for the pressure suits I think a body suit like the one worn by Maribel Verdú in the following pic may work:

http://www.cine5x.com/fotos/maribel_verdu_12.jpg

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's a lycra bodysuit and may be something available off-the-rack somewhere.

A site with decent pics of costumes:

http://www.ketzer.com/original_movie_props/index.html

A site selling costume gear ('spensive!):

http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/9667

Hey! You Googled my site! :D The Costumes and Artwork blog is me...:salute: ...and all the stuff I learn about these costumes is going to be shared with the group, you can be sure.

[Kester Pelagius]

Hey! You Googled my site! :D The Costumes and Artwork blog is me...:salute: ...and all the stuff I learn about these costumes is going to be shared with the group, you can be sure.

We try to recognize excellence when we see it, and that site was worth sharing. Very interesting.

:thumbsup:

[Mieal Deneb]

We try to recognize excellence when we see it, and that site was worth sharing. Very interesting.

:thumbsup:

Thanks for the kind words. :)

[Mieal Deneb]

this is the best shot I have out of my random screen cap folder,
http://images49.fotki.com/v1457/photos/4/451189/5568033/VImage047-vi.jpg
Looking at this shot, there does seem to be some extra material where the top pocket is on the medical tunic, but I don't see the "top" of the pocket.

I think I can see what looks like the bottom of a pocket in that picture. Lighting might have "washed out" the top of the pocket...?

[monolith21]

Side note...

I was watching "Murder on the rising star" last night and I couldn't help but notice how wide the quilting was on Sheba's tunic! Considerably wider than the male tunics and Athena's warrior uniform. Either that or she's just super tiny!

[Kester Pelagius]

monolith21,

It's been awhile since I've watched the series all the way through but I think you may be right. IIRC the costumes from the beginning of the series seem to have ever so slight differences from those seen near the tail end. I'm not sure if that's due to a change in costume designers or if it's because there was no "bible" for how the uniforms were supposed to look. Sort of like how in Star Trek the uniforms, originally (first pilot), seemed to have braiding for purely decorative purposes but eventually developed into a set pattern associated with ranks.

Of course I could be wrong.

[monolith21]

I've heard they changed material toward the end of the season as well but I'm not sure if there is any credence to that.

[Athene]

EXCELLENT. :salute:
I've got lots of photos of costumes that I've saved on my computer. ;)

[Athene]

I've heard they changed material toward the end of the season as well but I'm not sure if there is any credence to that.
Interesting.
I'm going to take a look at that.

[Mieal Deneb]

monolith21,

It's been awhile since I've watched the series all the way through but I think you may be right. IIRC the costumes from the beginning of the series seem to have ever so slight differences from those seen near the tail end. I'm not sure if that's due to a change in costume designers or if it's because there was no "bible" for how the uniforms were supposed to look. Sort of like how in Star Trek the uniforms, originally (first pilot), seemed to have braiding for purely decorative purposes but eventually developed into a set pattern associated with ranks.

Of course I could be wrong.

It's probably because there was no set way of making the costumes. I notice a lot of variation in the "uniforms" seen in (original trilogy) Star Wars too. I think it was pretty common just to not care about continuity that much because they didn't think people would be studying the costumes to recreate them 30 years later for the creation of a costuming "re-enactors" group. ;)

[Kester Pelagius]

It's probably because there was no set way of making the costumes. I notice a lot of variation in the "uniforms" seen in (original trilogy) Star Wars too. I think it was pretty common just to not care about continuity that much because they didn't think people would be studying the costumes to recreate them 30 years later for the creation of a costuming "re-enactors" group. ;)

You know what this thread just made me realize?

I've no idea what the rank hierarchy of Colonial Warriors is!

Colonel Tight is below Commander Adama, who seems to be acting as an admiral, but then again that also seems to be what Commander Cain was. Or are they the equivalent of a Fleet (Commodore) Commander?

BSG had lots of Lieutenants and a few Captains, most of whom seem to be fighter jocks, but what rank was Athene? She wasn't a warrior as I seem to recall she was in training with the female shuttle pilots, wasn't she? At any rate I don't recall her ever carrying a sidearm. Yet, IIRC, she wasn't a cadet like all the other women. Or was she?

I know I just saw her in a flight/pressure suit in the pilot so my memory may be playing tricks on me. Or maybe it's just I always assumed all warriors were pilots yet somehow put Athene into some mystical 'other' category. I know she wore blue, and not many did, but does that designate command rank or that she part of a separate corps? Speaking of which wasn't Tigh the only Colonel in the series? And what rank was the woman working the com board in the pilot?

A guy could get a headache!

[Bradleyfett]

You know what this thread just made me realize?

I've no idea what the rank hierarchy of Colonial Warriors is!

Colonel Tight is below Commander Adama, who seems to be acting as an admiral, but then again...

I'll warn 'ya right now- DO NOT try to figure out a logical ranking system for the BSG characters, especially as it relates to the insiginia or decorations on the uniforms. It will only dissapoint you and yes, induce headaches. Tech details were not one of the strong points of BSG TOS- leave that to Trek. Design and style were the strong points- Don't think about it too deeply and you'll be happier!

-M

[Reaper]

The Rank STructure was very simple, and Kronus, Monolith and have actually discussed This.

If you take the Deleted scenes found no the DVD as canon (which I do to an extent) Commander Adama was also the Commander in Chief of the Colonial Military. (I believe it was adar who mentioned this title)

So, you have Commander being the Highest Rank in the Military, among equals (among all the Commanders in service, Date of reaching this rank would determine who was in charge. In the case of Adama, his Political position (CIC) would have him outrank even more senior COmmanders. (such as Kronus had he not been retired)

Next you have Colonel. Tigh was the only one besides Tolen (Pegasus officer) who currently held this rank. Croft in GOIPZ was referred to as Commander in the shown Version, but was referred to as Colonel in the deleted scenes. I take the title "COmmander" to not be his rank, but position, as leader of the Station he lead the raid from before being put in jail. (same way ni the US navy, You can hold the Rank of Commander, but by tradition, if you command a ship, you are called Captain)

Below Colonel you have Captain, Apollo and Bojay were the only seen Captains in the show (yes, Bojay outranked Sheba, but Sheba was seen giving Bojay a direct order, go figure lol)

The majority of the officers are Lts. From Starbuck and boomer to Giles.

Below Lt, you had Ensign. Greenbean was an Ensign.

Then you had Jolly, who held 2 ranks in the series. The first one, in LPOTGs was Flight Sgt. (andf I believe there were other Sgts.

Then you had Corporal, Jeff Maccay's Character was a Corporal (computer Tech)

then you have Cadets.

Athena was never truely referred to by rank, but most people believe she held the rank of Ensign (I believe) from the very start she was a Warrior, just not a Viper pilot. She was a Military Shuttle Pilot.

She wore both the battle suit and the Blue Bridge uniform in the pilot I beleieve and carried a laser in LPOTGs

[Mieal Deneb]

A lot of the reason why Adama acts more like an admiral was because he was pretty much the only Battlestar Commander left after the Cylon massacre. Athene is a Warrior...in the Lost Planet of the Gods, Serina says to Apollo "But your sister is a Warrior..." or something along those lines. Not sure rank. But like BradleyFett said, don't try to figure it out! :LOL:

[Mieal Deneb]

See, this is why we have people like Reaper to figure things out! :salute:

[Kester Pelagius]

I'll warn 'ya right now- DO NOT try to figure out a logical ranking system for the BSG characters, especially as it relates to the insiginia or decorations on the uniforms. It will only dissapoint you and yes, induce headaches. Tech details were not one of the strong points of BSG TOS- leave that to Trek. Design and style were the strong points- Don't think about it too deeply and you'll be happier!

-M

BSG did have atmosphere that's for sure. Great tracking shots, lighting, awesome guest stars, and movie quality VFX that had never been seen on TV before it aired. So I suppose we can forgive it the minor minutia of vagueness about rank structure, after all the Colonies were just obliterated. Perhaps Larson figured that plotting out a stratified hierarchical structure would be banal.

[Kester Pelagius]

Reaper,

To further confuse matters the novel makes mention of admirals, then again it also has a line about Cylon fighters hiding in clouds. :rolleyes:

And I wont even ask about the retconned series Baltar.

In the novels it was plainly stated Baltar was just a sleazy merchant trader with no real political standing. Colicos really breathed new life into the character, but there were changes made to the character to keep Colicos in the role.


Mieal,

While you're right about that I just recently watched the first two parts of the pilot for the first time in ages. Adama is most definitely wearing many hats from member of the Qurom to Commander of Galactica &tc. It also seems like the only person that really ranks him, prior to the cyclon attack, is President Adar. And let's not forget Serena's reaction to him planetside, he's possibly not merely the highest ranking surviving officer the Colonials have. At leat that's my take on it.

But does that come from his military status or his status as a surviving member of the Qurom? It was never really clear what his position on the Qurom was.

[monolith21]

Man...in trying to set an organization can be quite confusing. I'm trying to work all of that out right now for the group and it has literally taken me twice as long to work all of this stuff out than it has to write the rest of the charter.

[Kronus]

Man...in trying to set an organization can be quite confusing. I'm trying to work all of that out right now for the group and it has literally taken me twice as long to work all of this stuff out than it has to write the rest of the charter.

Well as KP has pointed out, we can only get this as close to cannon as possible and still have it work "structurally" sound. So we will obviously have to fill in some of the blanks that may seem to be within the osBSG universe.

Now Monolith, don't try and tackle this all on yourself...this is too early in the game for you to go and get all burnt out! You will need to share the load and task me, reaper and Rachel with something’s so you don't carry the entire load...since this is all a rough draft to begin with. We can "hammer" out the finished product as we go once we have everyone's inputs from the tasks that need to be done.

[Bradleyfett]

Monolith21,

Are you organizing this similar to what you layed out in post #23, or are you going for something more 'in-universe'?

Mark

[Kronus]

Hey Monolith...chime in if you want to expaned more...or if I miss something
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bradleyfett,

In post #23 Monolith is giving us an idea on how to organize one of our boards to "hash" out ideas for the Costuming Group we are forming.

And as for the in-universe...osBSG all the way.:salute:

[Mieal Deneb]

Like Kronos said, we're all willing to help share the load...though I'm not sure how great I'd be at setting up a ranking system. I've never been all that great at understanding the different ranks of anything! :blush:

[Kronus]

Like Kronos said, we're all willing to help share the load...though I'm not sure how great I'd be at setting up a ranking system. I've never been all that great at understanding the different ranks of anything! :blush:

I hear you...I sent you a PM...

[Mieal Deneb]

Got it, thanks. :salute:

[Kester Pelagius]

And don't forget there seems to be a line between those who are and aren't Warriors.

From what little I recall it seem like the hierarchy might go something like this:

Cadet, Trainee
Cadet, Pilot
Warrior

With the Warriors having the confusion of ranks.

Yeah, I know, that was no help at all. :D

[Mieal Deneb]

There were also shuttle pilots. Serena's main idea in becoming a Cadet was to "just" be a shuttle pilot. However, need dictated that the shuttle pilot cadets become Viper pilots.

[monolith21]

Oh don't worry, I plan on sharing the load plenty! lol

I figure I'll take it as far as I can and then everyone else will have something to mold. I'm sticking pretty close to what we've all discussed so far.

The three things I'm working on and sort of adding to as I go are the club charter, ideas for ogranizing the resources and info on costumes, and getting the resources together. Eventually we'll have to start a thread with everyone's favorite links regarding the costumes.

Mark, that post was one idea for organizing the rescources. It is by no means set in stone and I still have to add the Daggit building section (so cool) and the Space suit stuff.

I love the presentation you did at Mega Con by the way. That is almost exactly what I'd love to throw together for our appearances! I'm certainly glad you're on board with this! I don't mean that anyone should expect such work in the future, but what better way to get ideas then from someone who has already done it!

[monolith21]

So everyone chime in with what they already have. Any full blown warriors in this thread?

[Aphrodite]

Well, I want a uniform.

[Kronus]

Well, once I order the items Reaper is working on those items will be the only thing I have for the moment. And with BSG.org being DOWN!....I was going to order the rest of what I needed there.

As you know Mark, I am still pricing out the boots (which I am really leaning towards the guys in Germany...expensive but I plan to go there and pick them up :salute: Been looking for the excuse to go there for a few years now).

Other than that...nothing yet.

[Reaper]

I'm beat about BSG.org being down myself, I was just going to confirm sizing info and send the money for a Warriors Jacket now (a birthday present to myself and from my family) but even the email address I had went through the website.

I'm concidering doing the Tans now instead. and actually have a working costume (there were warriors in the show in the tans and gunbelt but with no jacket)

I am still hoping BSG.org comes back though

[Bradleyfett]

So everyone chime in with what they already have. Any full blown warriors in this thread?


I have a full Warrior outfit from BSG.org, Full Bore boots, a DStines Laser, and Marco Helmet.

I also have several screen used outfits (snow suit, deck drew, medical), but nothing I'd wear myself to a con.

I'd love to do an all white/ship of lights outfit, a blue command uni, and a security outfit. The one uniform I've never been interested in however is the Warrior dress outfit with the cape. I have one of the necklaces for it, but for some reason I've never really liked it much.

Mark

[Athene]

So everyone chime in with what they already have. Any full blown warriors in this thread?

I've got part of a uniform, my sister-in-law made it for me. I need the jacket and boots and belt to go with it.
I live in Canada and there's a movie prop store in Toronto where I'm trying to get the rest of the warrior uniform. They can special order it.

[Athene]

I have a full Warrior outfit from BSG.org, Full Bore boots, a DStines Laser, and Marco Helmet.

I also have several screen used outfits (snow suit, deck drew, medical), but nothing I'd wear myself to a con.

I'd love to do an all white/ship of lights outfit, a blue command uni, and a security outfit. The one uniform I've never been interested in however is the Warrior dress outfit with the cape. I have one of the necklaces for it, but for some reason I've never really liked it much.

Mark

:cool: Cool.

Does anyone have any pics of themselves in full uniform? A head to toe shot.

I also like the dress uniforms. :)

[Mieal Deneb]

Not a full Warrior yet. I have the Joel Robert "replica" full bore boots which I still need to paint. I have a gun belt which I need to dye, but I don't have a holster, laser, or recharge cylinders (yet!). I have the fabric and trim for my tans and jacket, but am waiting until after the baby comes before starting on sewing them (I need to be able to try it on as I sew it and the baby bump makes that difficult!). I have a set of two collar insignia/pins and one Blue Squadron patch. I still need to get a 2nd set of pins and another patch (for my jacket). I also need to get a belt for my pants. Once my Warrior tans and jacket are finished, I'll start collecting for my dress uniform...I plan to use my usual tans for that and rig it up so the cape can be removable without it being obvious (the originals used hooks & eyes sewn to the tunic, which would be seen once the cape is removed).

Hey Mark/Bradleyfett, if you don't want the dress necklace I'll take it off your hands! ;)

[Reaper]

I was thinking you could use Rare earth magnets (those super strong ones) to attach the cape to the tunic. You could create a small pocket for one set of magnets on the inside of the tunic. it could be just big enough to place your magnet in and then seal the magnets in, or you can make it a small pocket with one side open so you can remove the magnets (I'f face the openings to the sides, left and right, but that's just me lol)

On the cape itself, you can seal the opposite magnets into thelining of the cape. Place one magnet no top of the other, and you should have a solid hold with no visible attachments.

This way you can use the same tunic for both costumes.

[monolith21]

I wonder how well the rare earth magnets would work? Sounds interesting for sure!

BradleyFett...I am entirely jealous of your screen used items! Very cool. Did you get most of it in the auction a few years back? I still look through that catalog and drool.

As for myself, I have:

Two pair of boots (the screen correct treadless fullbores and some with tread).

A DStines rotocast pistol, a solid cast pistol from the same mold.

A very steam punk "Toothpaste" laser build up that has been filled with something that makes it pretty heavy and an unbuilt hollow kit from the same molds.

All the makings of a gun belt but I haven't dyed the belt yet.

A warrior jacket made by Kathy Pillsbury. Very dark material compared to the originals.

And a whole bunch of random props including some Orion checks made by Gordon (good stuff), various cubit reproductions and originals, Calculator castings for the leg computer, and a bunch of pins and patches.

I'll be awesome to finally be able to put the whole uniform together. I should be pinning that mock up right now instead of hanging out online! Okay I'll go!

[Bradleyfett]

BradleyFett...I am entirely jealous of your screen used items! Very cool. Did you get most of it in the auction a few years back? I still look through that catalog and drool.



I got most of it way back before BSG stuff started coming up in the PIH catalogs. In the early 90s, one person bought out all of Universals BSG and Buck Rogers costumes in one big lump. He sold everything off over the next few years. He came to a con in Orlando with a rack full of costume pieces- I bought the med tunic then and kept in contact with him (pre-internet days). I bought the spacesuit, warrior tunic and pants (forgot to mention those before), deck crew jumpsuit over the next few years. Around the same time I traded some seaQuest costumes (I worked on the show) for the snow jacket and pants from a collector in L.A.

I would never be able to affort these pieces today, or back when they were in PIH.

Mark

[Reaper]

I wonder how well the rare earth magnets would work? Sounds interesting for sure!



I know guys in the 501st that use these thigns to hold parts of helmets together. There's a guy in the Empire ity Garrison who has the bottom plate of his Clone helmet done withthe magnets, to keep the piece in place and it holds up.

We should be able to find magnets strong enough to hold up to the wearing of a cape. Just a matter of tracking down the right strength. After all, we will want to remove the cape at some point lol Withouth ripping the cape or tunic.

Mark, concider us all jealous of the collection :) maybe we should all concider a trip down to Mega Con next year ;) (I've been before, and enjoyed the con)

[Mieal Deneb]

I was actually thinking magnets. JoAnn fabrics sells a set of magnets encased in a plastic that can be machine washed & dried. You can sew through the casing, to keep the magnet in place. I picked up a set for my husband's Ghostbuster costume for the leg hose, but the hose was too stiff and kept popping the magnet loose. I think they'd work great for the BSG dress capes though. I think Rare Earth magnets might be too strong...I wouldn't want to tear my fabric! I know R2 builders who use the Rare Earth magnets to hold the back doors to their R2 on the frame (in 3-leg mode, the back door is always angled facing the ground, so you need something strong to hold it in place when R2 rolls over bumps) or for things like holding the restraining bolt onto the skins.

[monolith21]

Wow...I need to grab some of those magnets just to mess with them!

Good news! I've tracked down a few other people who are working on their costumes that are from overseas! We have the makings of our first international chapter! Clanger you around here?

[monolith21]

So it came to my attention yesterday while chatting here that a good deal of the fans who want costumes aren't aware of places like ASAP with tons of great info. I had just assumed for a long time that a lot of you go over there.

While this place seems to be a much better place to get people together, there is a lot of information to found by browsing the forums at ASAP or the RPF. Its a good place for those of you who want to jump right in! We'll be putting some of these resources together for the costuming group but getting people into uniforms is a biggie for the time being!

Ever read through a prop post and wonder what what the frack us gearheads are talking about? Here ya go!

www.propreplicas.yuku.com
The Battlestar sections are about half way down the page.

www.therpf.com
Registration only opens up a few times a year for the replica prop forum. If you do get in, play it cool around here. There are some pretty heavy hitters and they can be a bit stand offish if you ask questions without searching the forums. Still, there is a lot of good information and if you play by the rules you'll get along fine. More than most sites though...read the new member rules or you can get zinged.

[monolith21]

Oh and I forget who threw this together but it is great!
-Markhttp://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-1978---news/insignia-and-costume-devices-of-the-battlestar-galactica-1978-series.html

[Athene]

So it came to my attention yesterday while chatting here that a good deal of the fans who want costumes aren't aware of places like ASAP with tons of great info. I had just assumed for a long time that a lot of you go over there.

While this place seems to be a much better place to get people together, there is a lot of information to found by browsing the forums at ASAP or the RPF. Its a good place for those of you who want to jump right in! We'll be putting some of these resources together for the costuming group but getting people into uniforms is a biggie for the time being!

Ever read through a prop post and wonder what what the frack us gearheads are talking about? Here ya go!

www.propreplicas.yuku.com
The Battlestar sections are about half way down the page.

www.therpf.com
Registration only opens up a few times a year for the replica prop forum. If you do get in, play it cool around here. There are some pretty heavy hitters and they can be a bit stand offish if you ask questions without searching the forums. Still, there is a lot of good information and if you play by the rules you'll get along fine. More than most sites though...read the new member rules or you can get zinged.
Cool. :cool:
I'm going to bookmark those sites and take a closer look.
I always make it a point to read the new member rules.

[clanger]

We have the makings of our first international chapter! Clanger you around here?

Hi Monolith,

After a false start, including me not actually knowing where, or who, I'd registered with and some timely help from Dawg......here I am! :D

Yep, one of those aforementioned International Colonial Warriors reporting for duty.

Is there somewhere I should post a formal introduction?

If one of you kind folks could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

Cheers,

Andy

[Athene]

Hi Monolith,

After a false start, including me not actually knowing where, or who, I'd registered with and some timely help from Dawg......here I am! :D

Yep, one of those aforementioned International Colonial Warriors reporting for duty.

Is there somewhere I should post a formal introduction?

If one of you kind folks could point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

Cheers,

Andy
Welcome Clanger! :salute:

I'm not sure where you post a formal introduction.

I suggest you PM Dawg or Warrior.

A lot of us are from different countries. I hail from Canada.

[Kronus]

Welcome Clanger! It is good to have you here.

[clanger]

Thanks for the welcome guys! :salute:

If it's not required to post a formal welcome that's cool, I haven't had a good look round yet so I didn't know!

I will now go and have a recon around the place so I don't put my foot in any Ovion droppings!

Cheers,

Andy

[Dawg]

Nah - just jump in wherever you like. We're usually pretty casual about that.

Welcome to Fleets!

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[monolith21]

Hey Andy! I'm glad you found your way over here! It really is a great place with some of the coolest people I've ever met. How's your costume coming along? Any luck painting the boots?I'm sending mine off very soon to get them matched up to the screen boots paint wise.

[Reaper]

Welcome to the party my friend! It's always good to see more Warriors out there!!

Definately let us know how the costume is doing!!

And Monolith, Dye your gunbelt!!! lol

[Mieal Deneb]

Welcome! If you have pictures of your uniform, post them up. :)

[Mieal Deneb]

...And Monolith, Dye your gunbelt!!! lol

Speaking of dying gun belts, has anyone done this? I have an offwhite/natural belt that I'm planning to dye and I'm going to go for the "grey" color. If anyone has tips on what they did, I'd love to hear them. :thumbsup:

[monolith21]

I guess I'm nominated! lol I'm just planning to dye mine with black and take it out after a few minutes.

I have a recipe for dying it up grey but I want to give the black a shot. The advice I got was to use Navy and Pearl Grey Rit dye together. I have a test belt I'll be doing first.

[monolith21]

Alright, my belt is dyed. I went with straight black. I took some pictures...however I used my work camera and just realized I can't upload from it here. The belt is quite dark while it is still wet, but I think it will fade up a bit. I'd like to try the pearl grey dye with some black in it to darken it up a bit next. Whichever one is closer I'll go with.

I used this method by the way!
http://www.ritdye.com/Stovetop.33.lasso

[monolith21]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y105/monolith21/Belt1-1.jpg

Here it is still wet. I hope it lightens up a bit as it dries. Interesting thing I noticed is that dying the belt dulls up the brass to match the screen used belts a bit nicer.

[monolith21]

Hey, by chance is this one of us?
http://www.scifihero.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t418.html

[Reaper]

I'm The Reaper on that Forum Monolith. when the time comes, I'll be posting BlackStar info there. :)

SO yes, we are everywhere ;)

[monolith21]

For those of you interested in all this prop and costuming stuff you should check out this thread!

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16921