Worst Scierce Fiction series ever aired.

[Damocles]

I'd like nominations, please. Mine is:

Holmes and Yoyo (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074005/)

Who remembers Holmes and Yoyo-a buddy cop show featuring a wooden actor detective and his robot partner? This piece of schlock was foisted on us by ABC in 1976.

Came and gone-the running gag was that Yoyo, a sort of Watson, played klutz stooge to the detective hero, Holmes.

Your nominations?

D.

[monolith21]

Wow. This will take some thought. It would have to be something that isn't even fun to make fun of. Something just flat out painful.

[Damocles]

Suggestions: Solaris and Mutant X?

[Kester Pelagius]

With the exception of Mutant X I've never heard of the series mentioned. And I thought I knew most of the obscure SF series out there!

Ah, hubris.

My nomination would probably be that UPN series, what was it called, Homeboys in Outer Space? I may have watched a few minutes of one episode and just clicked away. It was bad.

[Dawg]

Don't bother, I know the winner to this question, hands-down:

Flash Gordon - the Skiffy series.

There's nothing here to make fun of. Terrible writing, bargain-basement special effects, the cheap props gave better performances than any of the actors, and nothing was brought over from the decades-established Flash Gordon universe. A case study in how NOT to produce a television show. Painful to watch, with no redeeming value (even the "hot" actresses weren't that hot).

The only people who claimed to like it were no doubt on the Skiffy payroll.

Anything else is a distant second to this complete waste of videotape.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Eric Paddon]

I don't remember "Holmes And Yoyo" but my copy of a 1976 baseball playoff game has a promo for it. Very dumb format that was also recycled in an only slightly more "serious" vein in the 1977 ABC series "Future Cop" with Ernest Borgnine which Sci-Fi reran in in the 90s and it suffered from the same boring one-joke premise of an overly logical robot that takes things literally.

Most idiotic sci-fi series I've tried to watch is the 1977 "Fantastic Journey" which started with an interesting pilot movie that presaged "Lost" in many ways but when it went to series they incredibly jettisoned all of the interesting characters from the pilot and kept the boring ones (especially boring Jared Martin as a boring Spock clone from the future).

[Damocles]

These days if I watch a Skiffy seriers I cringe (Sanctuary). But I digress, the worst of the worst? "Cleopatra 2525", "Manimal"?

[Kester Pelagius]

I agree with Dawg. The Sciffy FG was an atrocity against humanity. Had it not been cancelled the U.N. would probably have been forced to send in peace keepers to end it being broadcast.

However I am going to step up for "Cleopatra 2525" as, yes, it was cheesy and campy and the actresses wore ridiculously tight unrealistic costumes. . . But isn't that WHY it was fun to watch? Honestly I think they should bring this back as a movie, hard NC-17! ;)

[Gemini1999]

I honestly think that Skiffy is the source for a lot of "worst SciFi" stuff. One that comes to my mind is Tremors - The Series. I thought that the first film was a bit corny, but fun. The sequels were barely watchable and then Skiffy thinks that a weekly series is a good idea......

I watched a couple of episodes - I even watched the finale to see how it all ended, but there really wasn't anything to latch on to.

If they'd never made it, I don't think that anyone would have noticed one way or another.

Bryan

[Kronus]

Agreed, Tremors was "ok" the first time around but not as a series...there is only so much you can do with an underground preditor and a group of poor folk running around with their shotguns and gasoline cans.

[Eric Paddon]

"Cleopatra 2525" I'll admit was a silly guilty pleasure. :)

[Mieal Deneb]

Agreed, Tremors was "ok" the first time around but not as a series...there is only so much you can do with an underground preditor and a group of poor folk running around with their shotguns and gasoline cans.

:LOL: You've got a very good point there! I had a hard time watching even the first movie though...I just thought it was poorly done.

[Damocles]

I liked Tremors!

I kept rooting for the graboids!

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[Gemini1999]

I liked Tremors!

I kept rooting for the graboids!



Now, how did I know that someone was gonna come forth and say that they actually liked that show.

Mooshy....moosh....moosh...

Get ready with that melon baller - there's a ripe one right here!:D

[Mieal Deneb]

The movie...or the show...?

[Damocles]

Does it matter? I told you I cheered on the graboids! They were the best actors on film!

[Aphrodite]

Buck Rogers stunk IMO.

[Archangel]

'V'

The first mini-series was great

The second mini-series was good (big Michael Ironside fan here) until they had the starchild do a little voodoo.

The follow-up series SUCKED!

[Dawg]

Nah. None of these ranks with Flush Gordon. All of them had some redeeming feature to them that made them somewhat watchable - even the final TV series of "V", which was, indeed, pretty horrid.

But Flush Gordon still beats them all.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Kester Pelagius]

Buck Rogers stunk IMO.

I agree, about the second season. But the first season had it's moments. I mean how can you NOT love a series with a ridiculous two-part episode called PLANET OF THE SLAVE GIRLS starring Jack Palance?

:rotf:

[Eric Paddon]

YOu also can't say that about the season that had Pamela Hensley as Ardala!

[Damocles]

Buck Rodgers had Erin Grey!

http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/saga/part9/eringray3.jpg

"V" an absolutely horrible series had Jennifer Cooke.

http://www.tvacres.com/images/v_starchild2.jpg

Intelligent actress with exquisite comedic timing: versus "the gates are down, the bells ring and the lights flash, but the train (brain) is missing!"

[Kester Pelagius]

YOu also can't say that about the season that had Pamela Hensley as Ardala!

She did have some rather interesting to look at costumes, didn't she? :D

Speaking of costumes one does wonder who thought it was a good idea to dress Col. Deering as a burger hop waitress for the promo pics of the second season. And was I the only one who thought the Searcher looked like a giant phone reciever? What WERE they thinking?

[Damocles]

How about Star Trek Voyager as a candidate?

[Kronus]

Buck Rodgers had Erin Grey!

http://www.fridaythe13thfilms.com/saga/part9/eringray3.jpg

"V" an absolutely horrible series had Jennifer Cooke.

http://vicki_98.tripod.com/photos/cooke1.jpg

Intelligent actress with exquisite comedic timing: versus "the gates are down, the bells ring and the lights flash, but the train (brain) is missing!"

Oh by the gods, I had the hugest crush on her! Love Buck Rogers because of Erin Gray...:drool:

[Damocles]

http://www.sfdebris.com/voyager/sfvoyager.asp

[Archangel]

Oh by the gods, I had the hugest crush on her! Love Buck Rogers because of Erin Gray...:drool:

And her cute little sailor suit in season 2...

:LOL:

[Damocles]

http://scifisizzle.com/imagegallery/images/erin_gray/erin_gray_2.jpg

[Damocles]

http://io9.com/5121019/10-worst-moments-in-2008s-science-fiction-tv

10 worst moments in Science Fiction TV 2008.

[Damocles]

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Somebody liked this?

[Eric Paddon]

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Somebody liked this?


I have a set of episodes and it was incredible to watch from a (no pun intended) train wreck standpoint. WHat I find more bizarre is how there was someone in 1979 devoted enough to the show to tape it every week on a $2000 Beta machine in those days! The show kept changing its format every week it seemed like.

One episode at least gave us the visual eye candy of Barbara Rhoades, one of the most beautiful actresses of the 70s. :D

[Damocles]

I have a set of episodes and it was incredible to watch from a (no pun intended) train wreck standpoint. WHat I find more bizarre is how there was someone in 1979 devoted enough to the show to tape it every week on a $2000 Beta machine in those days! The show kept changing its format every week it seemed like.

One episode at least gave us the visual eye candy of Barbara Rhoades, one of the most beautiful actresses of the 70s. :D

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Enjoy.

[AJMarks]

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Somebody liked this?


OMG! I seem to remember something about this, always thought it was a bad movie (or someone made a bad movie on a similar concept). Never realized they made a series. :yikes:

[Athene]

I don't remember Supertrain. Going to watch that clip.
I think maybe we can take a poll on the worst science fiction series ever aired. Anyone game? :D

[Athene]

http://scifisizzle.com/imagegallery/images/erin_gray/erin_gray_2.jpg

I remember her wearing that outfit in episodes of Buck Rogers. I liked her better with the darker hair.

[Damocles]

I'm game for a poll. You want to do so, or shall I?

[Aphrodite]

I'm game!

[AJMarks]

I can go for that, but for most of these series I don't even remember or recall.

[Damocles]

Okay, any volunteers?

[Athene]

I think we need to compile a list of sci-fi series and people can then vote.
We could also give a brief description and year they were on TV.

[Damocles]

Have to wait until tomorrow. Just concluded an Irish joke marathon.

[Athene]

Don't bother, I know the winner to this question, hands-down:

Flash Gordon - the Skiffy series.

There's nothing here to make fun of. Terrible writing, bargain-basement special effects, the cheap props gave better performances than any of the actors, and nothing was brought over from the decades-established Flash Gordon universe. A case study in how NOT to produce a television show. Painful to watch, with no redeeming value (even the "hot" actresses weren't that hot).

The only people who claimed to like it were no doubt on the Skiffy payroll.

Anything else is a distant second to this complete waste of videotape.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

I 100% agree.
I've tried watching Flash Gordon.
The Ming character is one of the worst.
The Buster Crabbe serials of the 30's the Flash Gordon were far superior to this series.

[Athene]

Cleopatra 2525 to me was really cheesy and had some very poor storylines and some of the weirdest characters I'd ever seen in a science fiction series.

[Kester Pelagius]

Cleopatra 2525 to me was really cheesy and had some very poor storylines and some of the weirdest characters I'd ever seen in a science fiction series.

The costumes weren't bad to look at though.

;)

[Damocles]

Today's stinker.

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[Damocles]

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The other version.

[Athene]

Black Scorpion was really campy and cheesy. I remember one episode where Adam West (Batman) guest starred.
I actually liked Black Scorpion. :blush: :duck:

[Athene]

How about we hold a contest who can come up with absolute worst Science Fiction series ever aired.
The all time worst sci-fi show ever aired on television.
Also, there would be runners up.
And one of our great artists here could create a trophy for the award of the worst sci-fi show ever aired on TV. We'd then have the awards ceremony.
I can see it now... and the nominees are... ;) :D

[Damocles]

Well that is sort of what this thread is:

Today's stinker.

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[Athene]

I remember watching Land of the Giants when I was a kid. I loved that show.
I'm trying to get DVDs of that show and see how I like it now.
Thanks! for posting that clip. :)

[Damocles]

Today's Stinker:

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I always rooted for the Sleestaks

[Damocles]

Today's Stinker:

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This is another one where Rickie boy got the claws in and ruined a concept.

[Damocles]

Today's stinker is from JJ Adams:

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It ain't the X-files and I do miss Gillian Anderson. David Duchovny? Eh he was a stiff.

FRINGE is AWFUL. This turkey should only show up for thanksgiving!

[Punisher454]

I nominate "Quark" it ran in early 1978 for a few months.
A thirty minute sci-fi comedy featuring the crew of a garbage scow, who took orders from a disembodied head. Complete with a half man/half woman character and a plant person named "Ficus". This show was so bad it makes Space Truckers look like an epic masterpiece.

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[Damocles]

There was a horrible series in the 1950s called Flash Gordon I remember. I'll see if I can find an example.

[Athene]

The current Flash Gordon is in my top ten.

[Athene]

I nominate "Quark" it ran in early 1978 for a few months.
A thirty minute sci-fi comedy featuring the crew of a garbage scow, who took orders from a disembodied head. Complete with a half man/half woman character and a plant person named "Ficus". This show was so bad it makes Space Truckers look like an epic masterpiece.

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I remember that show.
I admit I had fun watching it was so bad. :duck: :D :rotf:

[Damocles]

Today's stinker is The Outer Limits.

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[Athene]

I rather like The Outer Limits. :duck: :)

[Damocles]

Its okay. I rather am a stickler for the optimistic story. We get enough downers in that thing called reality. The modern Outer Limits pushes the pessimism button a little hard. I like to see good guys win.

[Eric Paddon]

The original Outer Limits can on occasion be entertaining but it also can at times suffer from an overwhelming amount of pretentiousness that "Twilight Zone" tended to be more free of IMO.

[Gemini1999]

The original Outer Limits can on occasion be entertaining but it also can at times suffer from an overwhelming amount of pretentiousness that "Twilight Zone" tended to be more free of IMO.

Eric -

Skiffy was showing some of the original B&W Outer Limits eps today and I caught a couple before I went to work. I find them extremely entertaining, although somewhat dated considering their vintage. One day, I wouldn't mind having the entire series on DVD.

I do remember back in the late 80's when the original Outer Limits came out on VHS and I showed an ep or two to a friend of mine that was only 5 years younger than me. He just laughed all the way through them and dismissed them as poorly done and out of date.

Even after nearly 50 years, I still find them a lot of fun!

Bryan

[Dawg]

Now, see? Another example that pales in comparison to the Skiffy treatment of Flash Gordon.

Most of the worst sci-fi shows have some redeeming qualities: the camp, the overacting, the MST3K attributes. Skiffy's no-budget Flash Gordon doesn't even have any of those going for it. Even the hot women weren't.

This one is still the winner, hands-down.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Eric Paddon]

Bryan, I think it depends on the specific episode. Yes, you can get some great stuff, but I guess maybe because of the hour long format, that causes some stories to seem pretentiously padded at times whereas Twilight Zone at a half hour always comes in crisply done and just seems better.

And then there was an episode like "Wolf 359" which seemed to spend more time on its monster of the week while ignoring completely the whole conceit of a planet in miniature developing in the lab. You'd have thought they could have sprung for one shot of people scurrying about using a piece of old stock footage that would be Patrick O'Neal's view through the microscope but all we get is a picture of a mushroom cloud to show that they've reached the atomic age.

[Damocles]

Shrug. How about Captain Video and his Video Rangers or this stinker?

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[Damocles]

Now, see? Another example that pales in comparison to the Skiffy treatment of Flash Gordon.

Most of the worst sci-fi shows have some redeeming qualities: the camp, the overacting, the MST3K attributes. Skiffy's no-budget Flash Gordon doesn't even have any of those going for it. Even the hot women weren't.

This one is still the winner, hands-down.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

Isn't there anything at which you can point that is positive about it at all?

[Dawg]

Isn't there anything at which you can point that is positive about it at all?

It's over?

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Damocles]

:rotf:

So is X Men and ST;TNG. You got a point!

[Gemini1999]

Now, see? Another example that pales in comparison to the Skiffy treatment of Flash Gordon.

Most of the worst sci-fi shows have some redeeming qualities: the camp, the overacting, the MST3K attributes. Skiffy's no-budget Flash Gordon doesn't even have any of those going for it. Even the hot women weren't.

This one is still the winner, hands-down.

John -

I would have to agree with you there. I didn't find one redeeming quality about the Skiffy FG reboot series. It was very poorly made and had very little even for a casual SciFi fan to latch onto. I found myself retreating to the DVDs of the 1970's Filmation series to get my SciFi fix in terms of Flash Gordon.

Thankfully, Skiffy didn't bother to re-tool, or renew the series. It was just so abysmally bad - I shudder to even recall those times I watched.

Bryan

[Dawg]

:rotf:

So is X Men and ST;TNG. You got a point!

What is your issue with ST:TNG, anyway? Roddenberry helmed the first couple of years, until his health failed and the Killer B's got it. It continued the TOS universe, it advanced Roddenberry's vision, it gave us Marina Sirtis......

:drool:

Where was I? Oh, yes...

It had redeeming qualities shows like X-Men or Andromeda couldn't even dream of (and I don't buy half the anti-TNG stuff you've posted). And it's worst was Shakespeare compared to Flush Gordon.

No, I wasn't Wesley Crusher's biggest fan, either, but even he was better than any of the Flush Gordon episodes. You could at least laugh at the boy wonder.

And just so you know - ST:TNG saved my sanity - maybe my life. The middle years of that show were some of the most stressful of my life - work, school, kid problems - and those two hours (first broadcast & 1 repeat each week) were the only times I could get out and go somewhere else. ST:TNG has a special place in my heart because of that.

In other words, redeeming features.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Damocles]

What is your issue with ST:TNG, anyway? Roddenberry helmed the first couple of years, until his health failed and the Killer B's got it. It continued the TOS universe, it advanced Roddenberry's vision, it gave us Marina Sirtis......

:drool:

Where was I? Oh, yes...

Things wrong with ST:TNG?

10. "Code Of Honor" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_61994143364 ) - Garrett Wang (Harry Kim on "Star Trek: Voyager") tells a wonderful story of his trepidation to join the series when his only experience with "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was this episode. It's easy to see why; "Code of Honor" has a b-grade camp quality to it that makes one cringe when watching it. It's amazing that the series survived its third week (when this episode aired) given how quickly it had such a significant dud,

9. "Man Of The People" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_91458604676 ) - Who doesn't love Counselor Deanna Troi? No one I know! After all, she strides around the ship in fun outfits, illustrating that she's a busty woman. Who wouldn't want to go to counseling when Troi is the counselor? I don't know, but it's a shame that when she gets an episode early in the seventh season and she becomes a psychic spittoon for a jerk that Marina Sirtis was forced to go along with it. And yes, the make-up is just plain terrible,

8. "Where Silence Has Lease" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_71502827140 ) - Second season, "Star Trek: The Next Generation," writer's strike imminent. Episodes will be rerun many, many times before new episodes are written and shot. Why did this have to be one of them?! My review of the episode is so stark because NOTHING HAPPENS IN THIS EPISODE! How much can someone write about an episode where the ship flies around in circles for several minutes before giving up and waiting for everyone to be killed? I hope whoever wrote this one got sacked as part of the writer's strike negotiations,

7. "The Neutral Zone" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_64304877188 ) - And joining that person should be whoever wrote this episode. Someone thought they could be clever and write an episode that simply combined elements of the original "Star Trek" episodes "Balance of Terror" and "Space Seed" and throw in a hick to boot. The only thing that keeps this in the upper five of the bottom ten is that Marc Alaimo appears for a few seconds in the episode. Yea Marc! But really, whoever thought that this finale would get people to come back the next season, they ought to be prevented from ever doing anything creative again,

6. "The Outrageous Okona" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_71725977220 ) - How many famous celebrities can appear in an episode of a television show and have it still suck? Well, outside the main cast of "Star Trek: The Next Generation," this episode features Whoopi Goldberg, Joe Piscapo, Billy Campbell, and Teri Hatcher (yes, THAT Teri Hatcher!) and it's still a dog. It's a dog that's so mangy kids don't cry when it's taken out back and shot. Half the episode involves Data trying to become a stand-up comic and the other half involves a rogue sleeping with various members of the crew, but the whole thing is just dumb,

5. "Shades of Gray" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_73059176068 ) - Clip show as a season finale. Do I honestly need to say more? Poor Pulaski to be written out on such a note,

4. "Hero Worship" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_89030758020 ) - I was shocked at a recent "Star Trek" convention to discover that there are people who actually love this episode! I'm convinced these people are the "Star Trek" fans most comparable to those people of faith who believe the Bible is the literal word of god and completely infallible (including all of the contradictory stuff, the concept of slave ownership and the right to stone your neighbors for sinning). When a young boy begins to emulate Data to avoid a trauma, the psychology is solid, but the episode is anything but,

3. "Devil's Due" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_344996744836 ) - As a person who sells "Star Trek" memorabilia, I'm keenly aware of things that interest fans of "Star Trek." Recently, a "Star Trek: The Next Generation" trading card set was released and the incentive card for the binders was an autograph from the woman who played Ardra in this episode. Now despite the fact that this woman is rather attractive (even with the prosthetics), never does conventions, and has never signed for any of the trading card releases, her autograph in the binder did not drive anyone to buy a binder from me. That's how disliked her character was, that's how bad this episode was,

2. "The Royale" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_72569687684 ) - Second season again and this one was a close call for the worst of the bunch. You know how I suggested that whoever wrote "The Neutral Zone" ought to be barred from doing anything creative ever again? Well, "The Royale" is original, but it's so bad, it's a parody of bad and it's a parody of "Star Trek: The Next Generation." When Riker, Worf and Data get trapped in an alien casino, things go from terrible to dismal to just plain suck. Not only should the writer and director of this episode be barred from ever making anything again remotely creative, they ought to be sterilized so they cannot have children who might make such monstrously stupid works. Added to that, the entire guest cast (save Sam Anderson) ought to be expelled from the Screen Actors Guild just for participating in this piece of utter idiocy,

and . . .
drumroll please . . .

1. "Force Of Nature" (reviewed at: http://www.epinions.com/content_107431038596 ) - I'm an avid environmentalist and I still hate this episode! Two crazy environmentalists board the Enterprise with a crackpot theory that warp speed travel is destroying space (much like the deterioration of the ozone layer). They blow a hole in space to prove their theory and the science behind this episode makes no sense, nor does the whole plot and the characters are just ridiculous parodies. Even the actors walk through this last season episode looking like it's a bad idea. Maybe this was the real reason the series was canned . . .

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It had redeeming qualities shows like X-Men or Andromeda couldn't even dream of (and I don't buy half the anti-TNG stuff you've posted). And it's worst was Shakespeare compared to Flush Gordon.

I'll take a hairy meathead egomaniac Hercules over a bald egomaniac scene stealing twit who thinks he's leading man material. Marina Sirtis was WASTED. She should have played a hard edged Fed zampolit to the hilt, instead of the ineffectual lotus eater psycho-babbler that she became.

No, I wasn't Wesley Crusher's biggest fan, either, but even he was better than any of the Flush Gordon episodes. You could at least laugh at the boy wonder.

That was the GBOTG's senility creeping in. What happened to Jack the Ripper in TOS was perfect for Wesley-preferably with the crew throwing a two for one special by adding Chromedome to the one way going away party.

And just so you know - ST:TNG saved my sanity - maybe my life. The middle years of that show were some of the most stressful of my life - work, school, kid problems - and those two hours (first broadcast & 1 repeat each week) were the only times I could get out and go somewhere else. ST:TNG has a special place in my heart because of that.

I was having a rather rough event filled life back then too. I had to wait until 1993 though. ST;TNG was the harbinger of very bad things to come (Voyager and Enterprise)

In other words, redeeming features.

Right from the getgo, "Mission to Farpoint" I knew ST:TNG was terrible. The minute Baldy said "We surrender." I was through with that gonzo miscast caste and that sorry series. DS9 revived my faith for a while because of Michael Piller, but as for rest of Berman Drek, Yeetch.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

And I am Damocles.:salute:

[Gemini1999]

What is your issue with ST:TNG, anyway? Roddenberry helmed the first couple of years, until his health failed and the Killer B's got it. It continued the TOS universe, it advanced Roddenberry's vision, it gave us Marina Sirtis......

:drool:

Where was I? Oh, yes...

It had redeeming qualities shows like X-Men or Andromeda couldn't even dream of (and I don't buy half the anti-TNG stuff you've posted). And it's worst was Shakespeare compared to Flush Gordon.

No, I wasn't Wesley Crusher's biggest fan, either, but even he was better than any of the Flush Gordon episodes. You could at least laugh at the boy wonder.

And just so you know - ST:TNG saved my sanity - maybe my life. The middle years of that show were some of the most stressful of my life - work, school, kid problems - and those two hours (first broadcast & 1 repeat each week) were the only times I could get out and go somewhere else. ST:TNG has a special place in my heart because of that.

In other words, redeeming features.

John -

Just don't agree with him regarding the perceived flaws in TNG.... I tried that by pointing out what I thought were flaws in the characters and then the guy comes back with what he felt was a worthy performance just to counter it.

Save your sanity, let him have this one. The way I look at it, there are far more people that admire TNG for what it provided as opposed to how many of those that didn't like it. Like it or not, if it weren't for the success of TNG, we wouldn't have gotten 3 more Trek series in the process, not to mention a few more films after the TOS era ended. If TNG hadn't caught on like it did, we might have seen an ending to Trek back in the late 80's instead of it continuing until now.

Trek may not be perfect in all it's forms, but it's outperformed and outlived pretty much every genre series except for the UK's Doctor Who.

Bryan

[Kester Pelagius]

Wow! Feels like I've wandered into an BBS discussion from a decade ago.

On the CON side for TNG there's one factoid that always stuck with me throughout the years. When TWILIGHT ZONE magazine reviewed the pilot (this was back when 'zines actually came off the press in a timely fashion so the series hadn't actually premiered) the author, speaking about the design of the then new Enterprise, called it a:

COSMIC SOPPOSITORY.

:eek:

On the PRO side TNG actually utilized retooled material from the proposed continuation series. If you saw the motion picture here's the break down best as I recollect it:

Riker = Decker
Deanna = Ilia
Deltan = Betazoid

Compare these character's story arcs. They are IDENTICAL. Right down to the female character being from a sexually liberated species with progressive views about expressions of sexuality.

I forget the name of the Android character in TMP and most of his parts seem to have been cut out but if you look closely at the bridge scenes you will see a guy with a bit of a forehead and weird looking eyes, that's the 'Data' character. I think the SE DVD may have some info on this.

Of course if you didn't like TMP then the above PROs are CONs. But at least there was no V'ger in the TNG/TMP pilot, just giant celestial jellyfish creatures.

:rotf:

[Damocles]

Wow! Feels like I've wandered into an BBS discussion from a decade ago.

On the CON side for TNG there's one factoid that always stuck with me throughout the years. When TWILIGHT ZONE magazine reviewed the pilot (this wa back when 'zines actually came off the press in a timely fashion so the series hadn't actually premiered) the author, speaking about the design of the the new Enterprise, called it a:

COSMIC SOPPOSITORY.

:eek:

On the PRO side TNG actually utilized retooled material from the proposed continuation series. If you saw the motion picture here's the break down best as I recollect it:

Riker = Decker
Deanna = Ilia
Deltan = Betazoid

Compare these character's story arcs. They are IDENTICAL. Right down to the female character being from a sexually liberated species with progressive views about expressions of sexuality.

I forget the name of the Android character in TMP and most of his parts seem to have been cut out but if you look closely at the bridge scenes you will see a guy with a bit of a forehead and weird looking eyes, that's the 'Data' character. I think the SE DVD may have some info on this.

Of course if you didn't like TMP then the above PROs are CONs. But at least there was no V'ger in the TNG/TMP pilot, just giant celestial jellyfish creatures.

:rotf:

Something old and I learned something new. My day has not been wasted. Thank you!

:D

[Athene]

Wow! Feels like I've wandered into an BBS discussion from a decade ago.

On the CON side for TNG there's one factoid that always stuck with me throughout the years. When TWILIGHT ZONE magazine reviewed the pilot (this wa back when 'zines actually came off the press in a timely fashion so the series hadn't actually premiered) the author, speaking about the design of the the new Enterprise, called it a:

COSMIC SOPPOSITORY.

:eek:

On the PRO side TNG actually utilized retooled material from the proposed continuation series. If you saw the motion picture here's the break down best as I recollect it:

Riker = Decker
Deanna = Ilia
Deltan = Betazoid

Compare these character's story arcs. They are IDENTICAL. Right down to the female character being from a sexually liberated species with progressive views about expressions of sexuality.

I forget the name of the Android character in TMP and most of his parts seem to have been cut out but if you look closely at the bridge scenes you will see a guy with a bit of a forehead and weird looking eyes, that's the 'Data' character. I think the SE DVD may have some info on this.

Of course if you didn't like TMP then the above PROs are CONs. But at least there was no V'ger in the TNG/TMP pilot, just giant celestial jellyfish creatures.

:rotf:

Those are good points.
I liked the TMP and also like Star Trek TNG. :duck: :)

[Damocles]

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:thumbdown

I still get hearburn when I see this piece of steaming crap.

DARKSTAR was better and that was a horrible kiddie show!

[Athene]

I confess I rather liked The Powers of Matthew Star. I had a crush on the actor who played Matthew. *I was a teenager at the time* :duck: :)

[Damocles]

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Gee, I wonder why?

[martok2112]

The Skiffy version of Flash Gordon couldn't keep my attention up to the first commercial break.

[Gemini1999]

The Skiffy version of Flash Gordon couldn't keep my attention up to the first commercial break.

I'd have to agree with you there...

It was just so abysmally bad. It made the remake of Bionic Woman look like high art (and we all know what happened to that). I just stood back in shock when there were people saying that they actually liked the show and thought that it was worthy of a second season. That just tells me that some people will watch just about anything because "it's new and it's Sci Fi".

I'm glad that I have more discerning taste than that.

Bryan

[martok2112]

I'd have to agree with you there...

It was just so abysmally bad. It made the remake of Bionic Woman look like high art (and we all know what happened to that). I just stood back in shock when there were people saying that they actually liked the show and thought that it was worthy of a second season. That just tells me that some people will watch just about anything because "it's new and it's Sci Fi".

I'm glad that I have more discerning taste than that.

Bryan

In truth, I loved the new Bionic Woman. Michelle Ryan was hawt, and she played Jaime really well. I wanted to see this story continue, especially with Katie Sackoff's character, because she seemed like a character that was on the road to redemption.

But Flash Gordon.....yeah....that yew blonkey darbles!

[Dawg]

Bionic Woman had potential that they wasted on poor writing, heavy-handed and awkward moralizing, and really poor casting/characterization choices.

The made no accommodations for Michelle being British, which meant her "American" accent was forced and resulted in less perfect delivery. The episode I enjoyed her most was the one where she "faked" a British accent - her own normal speaking voice, I believe - where she came across very well.

I'm sure nobody will be surprised that I found the one-note 2x4 also cast on this show not one whit more appealing than I had before; I found her inclusion to be extremely off-putting, in fact. Who wants one-dimensional acting (except, apparently, David Eick)?

Wasted potential. Terrible even by cable standards.

And heads and shoulders better than Flush Gordon ever dreamed of being.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[martok2112]

According to SciFiPulse (Ian), Michelle wasn't really speaking in her normal voice either, but using a rather posh dialect when she did speak Brit-like.

[Dawg]

According to SciFiPulse (Ian), Michelle wasn't really speaking in her normal voice either, but using a rather posh dialect when she did speak Brit-like.

Ah. That may well be. But I still preferred it to her totaly fake "American" accent.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[martok2112]

Ah. That may well be. But I still preferred it to her totaly fake "American" accent.

;)

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

I love British chicks when they speak with their native accent. For some reason, good lookin' women and British accents just go together like a good sandwich....I can just eat it up. :)

Then again, I also find it sexy when good lookin' Brit (or Australian or New Zealander) dames put on an Americanized accent....because when they slip up just that subtle little bit.....well....let's just say parts of me snap to attention with considerable immediacy. :D

[Damocles]

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Silly and pointless.It is Matrix as the Berman Drek holodeck as a concept. Fails on every level including bad taste.. Doesn't even rise to cyber-punk levels of science fiction.

[Damocles]

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I actually liked it because it was so bad.

[Damocles]

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This is absolutely awful.