Back and thinking about project

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I'm going to be looking to spend a lot more time here as I want to get my mind going creatively about a BSG project.

I'm looking to do a fanfiction novel, yes there apparently are companies that do that. Even if no profit can be made, but money is not all that important to me. Well it is, but not to the point where it's the be all and end all of life. But apparently if one does not seek a monetary profit a fanfiction novel can be done.

One of my firends has done a fanfiction novel set in the Star Trek Universe called 'Beyond the Final Frontier'. Claudia Christian herself has done a B-5 fanfiction novel with the proceded going to troops in Iraq. So it looks like it can be done.

So far I've got a premise in mind. I hope to be able to make use of one of the ship designs posted in the art section. Which one I don't know yet. I'm not sure about all the characters either. Right now I've got an unnamed Colonial commander and an IL named Janus as adversaries and main characters.

The premise is that a Colonial cruiser, not a Battlestar, but a Deep Star exploration probe (reference to Capt. Apollo's comment to Zac on patrol) returns to the colonies after a 20 yahren exploration to a distant system in hopes of establishing a war refuge colony where the Colonial civilization can flourish away from the thousand yahren war. When the ship returns the crew find that the colonies are under Cylon occupation, and most of the humans are dead.

The action of the story involves the crew, those that survive after their ship is destroyed, trying to stay ahead of Janus, and try to organize any survivors they can to try to escape the colonies and escape to the explored planet they had scanned. A mission that I hope to make easier said than done.

There are other projects I need to do first. But I want to make sure this is not far from my mind. Hense I want to be around people in a creative atmosphere, with creative resources-and advice-on hand.

[BST]

I'm going to be looking to spend a lot more time here as I want to get my mind going creatively about a BSG project.

I'm looking to do a fanfiction novel, yes there apparently are companies that do that. Even if no profit can be made, but money is not all that important to me. Well it is, but not to the point where it's the be all and end all of life. But apparently if one does not seek a monetary profit a fanfiction novel can be done.

One of my firends has done a fanfiction novel set in the Star Trek Universe called 'Beyond the Final Frontier'. Claudia Christian herself has done a B-5 fanfiction novel with the proceded going to troops in Iraq. So it looks like it can be done.

So far I've got a premise in mind. I hope to be able to make use of one of the ship designs posted in the art section. Which one I don't know yet. I'm not sure about all the characters either. Right now I've got an unnamed Colonial commander and an IL named Janus as adversaries and main characters.

The premise is that a Colonial cruiser, not a Battlestar, but a Deep Star exploration probe (reference to Capt. Apollo's comment to Zac on patrol) returns to the colonies after a 20 yahren exploration to a distant system in hopes of establishing a war refuge colony where the Colonial civilization can flourish away from the thousand yahren war. When the ship returns the crew find that the colonies are under Cylon occupation, and most of the humans are dead.

The action of the story involves the crew, those that survive after their ship is destroyed, trying to stay ahead of Janus, and try to organize any survivors they can to try to escape the colonies and escape to the explored planet they had scanned. A mission that I hope to make easier said than done.

There are other projects I need to do first. But I want to make sure this is not far from my mind. Hense I want to be around people in a creative atmosphere, with creative resources-and advice-on hand.


John,

That premise sounds like it could develop into a very good story... one that could find itself on my bookshelf.

:D

Keep us posted.

:)

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As I lay groundwork down for this story I hope to use this thread as a charting of the creative process.

Bear in mind this process is not complete. I think I need more characters in the character section. They should hopefully come to me as time, schedule and energy permit.

First the breakdown:Story, Character, Setting, Action (watching the Wordshop on PBS as a kid realy paid off I guess.)

Story:20 Yahrens ago a Colonial Carrier left for a deep star exploration mission to explore a remote system in the Sirenos galaxy in hopes of establishing a remote home away from the thousand yahren war. A new colony world.

The mission then returns home only to find the colonies under Cylon occupation. The Commander's ship is destroyed and most of the escape pods are are picked off by the IL commander Janus, who seeks to find out just what it was the mission found.

After an escape, or rescue, the commander tries to organize another exodus to the planet he explored. Getting any and all ships together, hoping to save what he can of the civilization, he leads his charges to a new planet where they can build their new civilization.

Characters(for the record-in coming up with names wikipedia has become my new best friend):

Janus-An IL cylon who has two faces, figurative, not literally. He comes off as charming and smooth talking as his program and duty permits. But he also seems to enjoy the duty his program allows. In his culling of the remaining humans on the planets he employs tactics he seems to take great pleasure in bordering on sadism if not sadistic all together. He finds logic in his choices of action as well as pleasure. Sees an opportunity in the Commander's mission.

Lt. Selena(got the name from a character on a turkish TV show played by a hot actress named Sinem Kobal)-The daughter of the mission commander. Her mother was a woman named Starla who was supposedly killed in a survey of the colony planet. Selena looked forward to a return to the colonies but was horrified to see them as ruins and statements to machine efficiency, as well as examples of Janus's sadism. She has vivid dreams, possibly premonitions, and limited mind over matter ability (referenced in War of the Gods). Starla explained it was institute training, but it's possible Selena's mother may have had a connection to the beings of light-like Angela in Return of Starbuck.

Don't worry, I'm not looking to turn her into another Dr. Zee. She'll be as confused as everyone else about herself. At least that's the plan.

Commander Seth-Warrior appointed to lead the Deep Star probe. Has a code of honor about him, yet considers himself an explorer at heart. Loving father, but stern as well. Longs to lead people to new orld to be away from war. He returns to a ruined world and his ship destroyed. Confronts Janus, who is Seth's adversary. Seth tries to preserve what he can while Janus tries to destroy all the remnants of humanity he can find. The colony mission is of interest to Janus as he seeks to destroy all humans there, as well as their sense of hope as Janus believes destroying hope will make the humans more succeptible to their extermination. Seth seeks to do all he can to preserve that hope.

Seth will try to rally the last ships he can. If I remember from Sandy's Pythagorus story from Exodus, he said there were five fleets that got off with the Galactica's fleet being the fleet of prime importance. I plan for Seth's to be a sixth fleet.

Abaris-Selena's best friend. They trained as warriors on the expeditionary mission. A man of faith and belief as he keeps the book of the word close.

Zari-yah-Fellow warrior. Wild and reckless. Speaks before thinking. May follow different faith other than Book of the Word.

Akira-A warrior of duty and honor. Follows separate faith. May base it off Japanese or Oriental religions. Will be looking at wiki in depth, as well as hopefully other sources.

More characters to come. As well as fleshing out what's here.

Setting:War torn colonies. Possibly Caprica, unless a better world comes to mind.

Action:Escape colonies, get back to explored world with survivors, and escape/defeat Janus.

[Capt. Lunaryn]

Sounds good. :)
Some of what you were describing reminded me of the New Series.
Is your book based on TOS or TNS?

I, too, have some ideas for a TOS-based animation or books (my avatar is one of my characters).

I have wanted to have my stories published also (mainly so that it would reach more people, as doing a self-publishing can usually not get the same kind of distribution. I have experience with that, too), but I didn't think that I could.
Okay, I admit, I was paranoid for a long time about people not liking my ideas. And of them being taken. :rolleyes:
Thanks for stating that it's possible.

I will not say what my stories are about, as this is your thread (I will start my own.;)).
Suffice to say that mine deals with humanity also trying to find Earth, but differently than the original TV show.

Keep up the good work.

Namaste :love:

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I'll be using TOS all the way.

In a way the theme to the story will kind of reflect what I hope to do with TOS...preserve it as best I can.

[Reaper]

I like what you have here. Very good start and I like the idea, I'll be watching this closely, I do love me some TOs fan fic. I've been tempted to write some myself, Most of what I've read is all in the Star Wars genre.

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I want to look at additional mythologies for character names as I don't want to narrow my focus on the biblical names, nor do I want to limit myself to Greek and Roman mythologies.

The original didn't limit the mythologies and religions used and neither do I. Any got some good ideas where some good names, and mythologies, can be found?

[Capt. Lunaryn]

You could try looking at Chinese, Japanese, and Polynesian myths. As well as Central and South American.

I've got some stuff written and dated (I mailed the writings to myself for the Postmark). I really should show some of it and finish what I've started.:nervous:

Namaste :love:

[ernie90125]

I want to look at additional mythologies for character names as I don't want to narrow my focus on the biblical names, nor do I want to limit myself to Greek and Roman mythologies.

The original didn't limit the mythologies and religions used and neither do I. Any got some good ideas where some good names, and mythologies, can be found?

By a remarkable coincidence, I've been reading about Roman and Greek mythology online, and found the best sources of names, descriptions and basic synopsis details is..........Wikipedia.

:thumbsup:

[Reaper]

And don't leave out the Celts :) some good names there as well.

[Amon Ra]

You might even try Welsh, Scottish or Viking history. :)

[Athene]

I like the story idea and that you're sticking with TOS. :salute:

[Athene]

You might even try Welsh, Scottish or Viking history. :)

How about Roman or the Germanic Tribes? ;) :D

[Amon Ra]

How about the builders of Stonehenge, the hitites? Or the Sumarians? Then there's the Aztecs and the Mayans. Or even the Mesapotamians.

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I already knew about Wikipedia for the Greek, Roman and history of Christ information. Could the other faiths be listed there as well? And if not does anyone know of any other sites I might be able to check out?

Also I'm going to jot some notes here from time to time. Ideas that pop into my head that I'll want to explore as the story develops.

Number one:A scene where Commander Seth is trying to comprehend what to do. His world is destroyed and Janus basically tortured him as to why humanity deserved its fate. Essentially Janus would be the voice of the worst of humanity as he tortures Seth. Once freed Seth wonders if he should embrace the dark distorted mirror that Janus presents or does he choose to believe the idealistic, hopeful view of humanity that he was brought up to believe in. And why does he make that choice?

Number two:An incident where a human traitor is begging for mercy. Seth pulls out his gun and makes ready to execute him. The question he asks is does he betray his values and ideals by killing the traitor or does he restrain himself and allow his better angels to take over.

One thing I believe I will be looking to explore in this story is human worth and the value of life. And maybe have this develop out as a morality play.

I want this story to be about people. Not politics.

And any websites on other mythologies that anyone can recommend please let me know.

[Athene]

There are plenty of sites about faith/mythology on the net.
Another very good mythology is the Norse mythology. Not sure if someone mentioned that already.
Good Luck to you in your endeavours. :salute:

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I'll look for such sites when time permits. Today however I was able to develop a little on the plotline in my mind. And with the plotlines I have here I will need more characters. Hense the research for more names and different mythologies.

Intro:The launch of the mission.

Opening chapter:Return of the mission and the attack by the Cylons.

A plot-Prisoner captor duel between Seth and Janus. May carry over once Seth is freed. No, when Seth is freed it should DEFINITELY carry over. Especially in battle. Seth vs. Janus would be one of the best vs. the worst.

I want this story to have heroes in it. However I also expect those heroic notions to be challenged by Janus.

B plot-Selena and her crew trying to make contact and work with Colonial Resistance to get Seth back. Also to get survivors off colonies.

One thing that people have criticized Battlestar for is its use of children. Boxey and the Super Scouts(I know. Don't hate me.). There were one or two instances where Boxey was useful however. Okay one. In 'Fire in Space' he did try to help keep people alive distributing the gas mask as Boomer took the lead.

If I decide to use a kid in my story it will not be as a cute little moppet or something like that. Basically it will be the 'kid who never got to be a kid' angle. It would be like the kid was a soldier right out of the gate. Examples are like drummer boys in the Civil War who see front line action although the kid wouldn't have a drum. Another example like when the allies had attacked Berlin in World War II and the Nazis were ordered to 'defend Berlin to the last man'. In the colonies it would come to that.

In this sort of environment where kids are 'the last men' a new world where a kid can finally be a kid would seem like a dream come true. And that kid could have a reason to fight. Currently this is a consideration. I'll know more as I do more research into characters and setting.

C plot-Traitor in resistance. Reports to Janus in exchange for letting him live a little bit longer. Once resistance is all dead Janus plans on honoring his word to the traitor. The traitor would live two microns longer than his compatriots. An example of Janus's sadistic sense of humor.

This may seem like an old plot device, even to me. But really the only currency that would apply here is 'how long do you get to live?'. You live long, consider yourself lucky.

D plot (resolution)-The exodus and escape from the colonies. With this there would be a kick ass battle as Seth, Selena and company lead survivors away and to their colony world.

Am thinking perhaps Seth may take a small fleet back to the colonies and order one ship back behind the colonial border as he takes the rest in to be attacked. When the exodus happens Seth orders the last ship in to provide cover and protection. Whether that ship will be destroyed to cover an escape I'll have to determine.

Hopefully this will provide me with a little more incentive, and to find a little more time, to research more mythologies. Let me see the list now:

Celtic
Norse/Viking(could be helpful if I want to do an establishment of last names. I always assumed if the original did use last names it would be along Norse lines)
Aztecs
Mayans
Mesopotamians/Sumerians(I heard these two cultures are pretty much the same.)
Stonehenge
Hitites
Welsh
Scottish
Germanic
Japanese
Chinese
Polynisian
Central America
South America

Quite the list huh?

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Thought of this as I was doing my morning bus run. Strangely enough I was thinking about traitors in history (in hopes of perhaps finding a name for the traitor character I came up with) and my mind turned to Benedict Arnold, who was considered a traitor during the Revolutionary War. Or Colonial Rebellion if you're from the other side of the pond.

As I thought of ways to 'Colonialize' the Benedict Arnold name nothing really grabbed me. I thought of Ben, or Benedict, but it didn't sound right. Then I heard the name 'Arno' used at one point. In an Iron Man comic there was an 'Iron Man of 2020' named Arno Stark.

Arnold-Arno. Sounds like something from across the stars and the spelling could allow some readers to make a comparison. I'll probably go with this name unless something better comes up.

Also, I was thinking about the use of kids again as I thought of a possible angle as to determining who gets on an escape ship. I thought a lot of adults would be looking to fight among themselves for a right to escape, as the ship can't accomodate everyone. Same problem Adama had to face.

But instead of some 'gritty realistic' approach I figure some kids could ask the warriors to save their parents, which would shame the parents and some adults as they were thinking of only their own well being and escape. In their shame some adults would also stay behind and cover the escape. Give the kids a 'final moment' to be proud of.

Even if the setting is dark and dire I still want the best of people to shine through on this.

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Well already went through one mythology on the list. Celtic. And a lot of it was found on Wikipedia.

Here are a few names I came across and their meanings. Others may want to take a look at this list as well as they may find a name or two themselves they want.

Lugh(Lugu, Lleu)-Hero or high king of the distant past.

Cian-Distance. Could turn into a dog or a pig at will. (Name sounded good so I picked it. No animal transformations I think.)

Ethnia-Locked in a tower of crystal to keep her from getting pregnant.

Tuireann-Father who cried over his sons graves

Brigid-Woman of poetry and healing. Goddess of all things perceived to be of relatively high dimensions, such as rising flames. Drank a special drink made of rum and 21 peppers (could make a good colonial drink). Her roman counterpart was Minerva and was considered as part of the Celtic Triple Goddess.

Triple Goddess:
Mother-Enchantment, promise of new beginnings
Maiden-Fertility, sexuality, power andlife
Crone-Wisdom, repose, death and endings

Etain, Aideen-Goddess of the sun. She was also turned into water, a worm and then a butterfly until she was reborn.

Brian-Pompous man. Could make a good Sire if one is needed.

Dagda-Good god. Father figure. Immense power and is associated with a cauldron.

Nuada-First king before Dagda. Fell in battle.

Boann-Goddess of the river. Associated with the WHite Cow. Interpreted as Brigid's mother.

Aine'-Goddess of love, growth and cattle. Associated with the sun.

Aillen-The burner. Burned the city of Tara to the ground every year when the festival of Samhain came.

Elatha(Elathan)-Prince of Darkness with GOlden hair. Associated with the moon. (Could make a good Iblis follower. Or a good IL name).

Ethnia(Ethlia, Ethlian)-Maybe a double of Boann

Epona-Protector of horses, donkeys and mules. Goddess of fertility. 'Great mare'.

Other nature goddesses:Tailtiu, Macha, Eria

Angus-God of love (Don't know about this one. I have a feeling if I use this name I'd have to make the character gay. Don't ask me why.)

Goibnia-Smith god and immortal brewer of beer.

Next:Norse/Viking And Hagar the Horrible doesn't count.

[Lara]

Sometimes I think the best part of dabbling with fanfic is the research, but then I know thats not as good as getting your plotlines all woven in !

I've always kept a file with stuff I come across that I then dip into later.
At one point I made a decision to take an assumption and work out from it: the assumption being we see ancient egyptian culture in TOS as being the mother culture of Kobol. From there we hear and see things related to ancient greek (Apollo, Athena, Casseopiae, etc) along with Biblical-old testament overtones (obvious things like Adama, but also that Baltar is a diminutive of Balthazar, who was one of the three wise men!)
Anyway, from there I asked which are the earth cultures contemporary with the ancient eqyptians?? and then started pulling stuff from them.

A copy of timeline of the world history is useful to get the global picture, but Crete, the Greek states & the Punic wars, Parthians, celts, the chinese warring state period/ the Qin dynasty (teracotta warriors), the Indian Mauryan dydnasty, scythians (esp the steppe nomad culture) Before this is the Babylonians, Assyrians, Etruscans (proto Romans) and the Shang dynasty More obscure references can be found in the Olmecs, Mayans, Samoyeds, Zhou empire.

In some ways the Stargate writers did a lot of the leg work with the expansion of the Gou'ald from just the Egyptians!!

I haven't got URL s for a lot of this stuff, its things I've collected over years of reading, but a few key words always gets you off in a new direction.

Have fun,
Cheers,
Lara

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(obvious things like Adama, but also that Baltar is a diminutive of Balthazar, who was one of the three wise men!)


Now that is interesting. I had no idea the Baltar name came from that.

Although I wonder if Balthazar would have cared that his name was used as a template for 'the great traitor'. I guess adapting Judas would have been obvious.

Been busy, so I haven't gotten to the Norse Mythology yet. It's kind of interesting though in my school days Norse, Greek and Roman were the big myths covered. And maybe the Middle Ages as well. All the others...not so much.

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Still looking at Norse mythology. Haven't gone as in depth as I had hoped. Doesn't mean I haven't had this story on my mind though.

I've been thinking a bit about names, and one thing I know about Norse is that they often used last names based on who the father was before. Like Leif Ericson's father was Eric the Red because he was the son of Eric.

I felt this approach was too easy, and wanted to try something different. I think Martok took a similar approach, I'm not sure.

I think Oriental cultures use the terms 'san' and 'sa' to describe sons and daughters. I know Russians usa an 'a' at the end of a last name to indicate a son or daughter. So I figure I might try something like this.

Selena sa Seth

Or

Apollo san Adama.

Don't know if I'll do something that designates royal house or anything like that. I'll have to see how the research progresses.

As for format I'm thinking right now along these lines.

Prologue 1:Expedition launch

Prologue 2:The Occupation according to Janus.

Part 1:Coming home

Part 2:Surviving home

Part 3:Escaping home

Epilogue:Voyage to a new home

Obviously parts 1-3 will be the core of the story, and should have multiple chapters while the prologues and epilogue will be stand alone chapters serving as beginnings and ending.

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Inspiration can come in the most unlikliest of places at times.

Yesterday I was exchanging two DVD's for a Gundam DVD. Volume 1 of 'War in the Pocket' and after the exchange I was watching an old tape of Gundam F-81 that I had not finished watching. After watching these for a bit I found myself on wikipedia looking up 'Gundam'.

A little nugget reached out to me. Gundam had come out in the 1980's as a three volume set of novels. I remember seeing two of them, but not the third. But that's not the nugget that grabbed me.

It showed that in translating the novel series the character of 'Char' had been translated as 'Sha' in the book. Interesting as I get two different feels of the name.

'Char' seems like it should be associated with burning, or war. And I guess for Gundam it is. But 'Sha' seems more spiritual. Like it should be the name of a priest or something.

And I found myself thinking that perhaps a character could represent the spiritual and moral compass here. perhaps provide guidance to Seth before the attack. He might be killed off around the beginning, but the rest of the story could show if his words hold, or if the sadism of Janus wins out. So I think I'll tentatively add the character of 'Sha'. A member of the 'Order of the word' which would provide a link to the teachings of the Book of the word and other possible faiths.

Going back to another addition Sha would have no last name or house name. Essentially when he joined the order all ties to the previous life are severed and his existance from then on out is in dedication to the teachings of the lords. Spiritual orders will be provided a one name basis if they want. Another would be war orphans.

Since war orphans have no house or family of their own that they may know of, kind of like Starbuck in 'The Man with Nine Lives' until he found Shameleon, they would only have one name as they build a family or house of their own. If Starbuck knew of Shameleons identity his name would come out like this.

Starbuck san Shameleon den (House unknown)

But since he doesn't Starbuck remains 'Starbuck'. And he could be determined as founder of his own house.

I've also decided that the term 'house' signifying family house, would be referred to as 'den'. In some ways 'den' can be referred to as 'home'. So using Dalton from Richard Hatch's novels her name would probably come out like this...

Dalton sa Starbuck den Shameleon.

With this it would be obvious as to why one name would be preferred. But I think it works. We'll see when the ideas are applied.

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Hey, sorry this took a while, but sometimes it's hard to find time to do a lot of stuff.

Here's the next list of names and tidbits I came across. This one from Viking mythology.

Vanir
Aesir
Yam-sea
Nahar-river
Adon-short for Adonis

Three sisters:
Ashera-semetic-Queen of Heaven
Qudshu-Egyptian(bonus note here)-holiness
Ashima-the measurer, fate, portion

Shimti-fate
Sigyn-wife of Loki(I think people know who Loki is)

Nari and Vali-Sons of Loki. Vali associated with the wolf. Nari was killed
Heimdall-Guardian of the gods
Ragnarok-Final Destiny of the gods. Destruction and rebirth. (Two survivors)
Odin-Wanderer-Kind-Death
Ask and Embla-First humans
Loourr-Fruit, land, people, to attract
Freyr-Agriculture, weather, phallic fertility god
Baldr-light and beauty
Valkyrs-Valkyrja-chooer of the slain (Perhaps a name like Valja could be formed here)
Skuld-debt-future
Skogul-Shaker-who was with her
Gunnr-war
Hildr-battle
Gondul-wandwielder
Sigurd-(Sirard)-hero
Regin-wisdom and deftness of hand
Vor-careful one 'wisdom'
Var-pledge (oaths and agreements)
Syn-defensive refusal (guards door to the hall and shuts them to those that have refusal to enter)
Sol-old norse for sun (sunna) {so that's where we get solar system from}
Snotra-wisdom (Was able to get the name 'Sora' from this-may be able to use it in book. Beats using the word 'snot'.)
Sif-(golden hair)-farming and fertility
Saga-treasure
Ran-theft, robbery
Njorun-the Earth
Nerio-Roman war goddess and personification of valor (another bonus name)
Enyo(Bellona)-War (Counterpart to Ares)

Associations with the moon
Hjuki-health
Bil-moment

Nine worlds:
Alfheimr
Asgard
Jolunheimr
Midgard
Muspelheim
Nisavellir
Nifheim
Svartalfaheimr
Vanaheimr

All nine connected by Yggrasil

Sun terms:Sol, Arvakr & Alsviol
Moon terms:Mani, Hjuki & Bil
Earth terms: Joro, Fjorgyn

Tyr-Single combat, victory and heroic glory

Well that's what I've got for Nores/Viking. I'd get more, but I think I have a lot more miles to go.

I guess the Aztecs are next on the list.

I'll get to them when time permits.

[Athene]

Looks like your doing a lot of excellent research for the project..:salute:

[Lara]

I think Oriental cultures use the terms 'san' and 'sa' to describe sons and daughters. I know Russians usa an 'a' at the end of a last name to indicate a son or daughter. So I figure I might try something like this.

Selena sa Seth

Or

Apollo san Adama.

Don't know if I'll do something that designates royal house or anything like that. I'll have to see how the research progresses.



FYI, sa is son and sat is daughter in ancient egyptian
per aa means great (royal) house, whos usage dates from the Ramesses as the derivative of pharaoh

Hebrew usage is ben/bat ??

Icelandic names still have the suffix -dottir or -sson meaning daughter or son, I seem to recall this means Magda Hildadottir is daughter of Hilda, but her brother might be Sven Ericsson, being son of Eric


Cheers,
Lara

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Thanks Lara. This helps.

I'm working on Aztec right now. There are a lot of names there. That civilization had 100 gods in its pantheon.

When I'm finished going through the different mythologies I'm hoping that maybe a section of the boards could be used as a mythlological knowledge bank where posters can add stories, names, etc for their own inspirations. I'll ask about it when I'm done. However that will take some time.

In the meantime I had an idea of how a Galactica continuation project could go, and I wanted to post it here as a matter of record.

I was thinking about the first limited series of Transformers posted by Dreamwave Comics years back. Essentially a terrorist put a bomb on the Ark II as the Transformers were going back to Cybertron so he could sell tehm as weapons to the highest bidder. Megatron woke up and decided to pass judgement on the human race for all the 'evil' it had done. Prime, who had also been dormant, rises to the defense seeing the good of humanity. Which nowadays is hard to see. The bad takes center stage it seems.

What I was thinking was that a continuation would happen yahrens later when most of the old guard is gone. New guard. They had fought the Cylons and won. A faction that rises to power decides that the Cylons would be servants as pennance for their atrocities. Warnings ensue, but they are shouted down.

Yahrens later the Cylons receive a signal from their leader and they revolt. The Cylons remember their directive to exterminate the humans, but now they have reason. Even if not all of them enslaved them they conclude it is best for the empire that ALL humans must die.

Somewhere else a restoration project in the Colonial museum is taking place. The Galactica is restored using original blueprints. But when the Cylons revolt the Galactica is called into service to save humanity. Or what's left of it. There is more to the restoration project as well if anyone's asking.

Cylons exterminate humans. The only reason why they would spare any is to see why they survived their first attack so they can kill more effectively next time.

Just a posting of an idea here. Although the 'killing of humans and seeing how they survive' angle may go into my fan project. This post was just a record posting I want to keep if I am able to do this idea professionally someday.

I'll let you know when I'm done with the Aztecs.

[Lara]

When I'm finished going through the different mythologies I'm hoping that maybe a section of the boards could be used as a mythlological knowledge bank where posters can add stories, names, etc for their own inspirations. I'll ask about it when I'm done. However that will take some time.


It will be cool. I'm convinced a lot of people have collected a lot of stuff that would be useful to other fanfic writers. Having it handy would be a great blessing.

Working out story scenarios is like a puzzle, a great mental challenge that requires access to imagination, historical facts, fictional 'facts' (ie cannon lore) as well as skills in language and story. (the passion is a given..)

Having all that stuff bubbling away in your head can be more of a mental workout than the Times crossword!:D

Cheers,
Lara

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Still juggling a few balls. Got a lot going on, but this is not far from my thoughts.

Still I had another idea for a continuation project I wanted to get down before I lost it. Essentially it would involve a counterpart to the Book of the Word. It would be called 'The Book of Iblis'.

'The Book of Iblis' would be released to the public citing how the Kobollian faith (or Caprican faith) had kept it sealed away for Thousands of Yahrens. And due to the outcry of censorship people had been turning away from the faith embracing the darkness of evil the Book of Iblis spoke. Some would even say 'Iblis Rocks' out of jest. Probably not sure what the consequences are. Or whatever name is spoken of.

It would be reminiscent of the teen in high school that often said 'Satan Rules' as if wanting to thumb his nose at religion because it's cool. Compared to others who might actually believe in the word of Iblis, this could be considered a stepping stone.

Anyway this is just an idea I wanted to file away. Maybe serve as a rallier for a new bad guy. Have to get back to a whole bunch of other stiff. One of them being research.

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You know what? If I try to get all the names I can on Aztec mythology I'd go nuts. So I'm going to write down what looks good and post a link to the wiki page for the rest.

Call it lazy if you want but I have other mythologies to look through. Not to mention an upgrade for my CDL to look into. So here's what I have below.

On second thought I'll put down the wiki link and put the names I got down later. Then I'll go to the next mythology on the list. But consider Aztec one of those mythologies I'll need help researching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Mythology

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Okay, I figured I'd get down some of what caught my attention, and get the rest down later. I'm pulled in a lot of directions right now. But I'll plow ahead, even if it's in drips and drabs.

Nahuatl-Related language and dialects. Of Nahua people. Means 'a good clear sound'. (could probably work with Nahua)
Nochtli-Fruits of a Nopal cactus.
Toltec-Originators of all culture. (Something to look into when I get to Toltec mythology. Or if someone else does first. Volunteers anyone?)
Tollan, Tolan-Toltec capital of Tula (I guess we now know where Larson got the name Tolan from in 'Living Legend)
Tula-central eastern Mexican town.(Maybe Tula can be of use)
Chalula-Town and Largest manmade pyramid in the world.

Five suns-Creation myth (Could be used to create new religion. Probably not everyone subscribes to the Book of the Word as Adama did.)
Nanahuatl-Full of sores(Smallest and humblest of gods transformed into the sun
Mictlan-Lowest (ninth) level of the underworld
-Warriors who died in battle
-people who died when hit by lightning
-women who died in childbirth
(You know. With this reference to nine I'm thinkingperhaps the new planet the expedition finds becomes part ofa system of nine. Although it would not have Earth in it.)
Xolotl-Associated with lightning and death
-aided in journey to after life
(Colonial name could be Xol)
Atlacoya-Goddess of drought (Colonial name-Lacoya or Coya)
Atlatonan-Goddess of the coast (Colonial name-Latonan or Tonan)
Ayouhteotl-Goddess of mist, fog, vanity and fame (Figured I could get a Youh Nebula out of this or something. Or maybe it could be called a 'Youh' as a navigation hazzard)
Comaxtli-God of hunting, war, fate and fire(Colonial name-Comax)
Centeotl[Cinteotl]-Lord of days (Colonial name-Cente or Cinte)
Toci-Goddess of Earth (Probably a good name for a lunar sattelite)
-Alternative I.D.:Tlazolteotl[try saying that three times fast:On second thought don't bother.]-Goddess of purification, steambaths, midwives, filth and patroness of adulterers. (Toci could be a better used named.)

More to come later. But now you can see why I decided to just leave the wiki page. So many names. So many gods.

And perhaps so much potential. Maybe others can see some possibilities here that I'm missing.

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And in case anyone was wondering, these were from the Aztec page where I took some notes.

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:erk:

I'm really feeling like this right now.

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A few more from Aztec:

Tiazolteotl:Goddess of letchery and unlawful love. Inspired vicious desires and forgave and cleaned away the defilement of sin. Caused sexually transmitted diseases if they indulged in forbidden love.
(This sounds like it would make a good IL series Cylon. Perhaps it could be called Tiaz.)

Tlazolteteo-Goddess of love and desires. Usually called upon to cure an 'uncleanliness' as well as a steam bath and rite of purification.

(Sounds like an arch foe to Tiaz. Perhaps a name that could be done is Tlaz.)

Tezcalipoca-Invisible, omnipresent, sees everything. Presides over confession.

(Possible lead 'god' in proposed 'Book of the Sun')

Huehuecoyotl-Trickster, indulges in pranks. Associated with drums and coyote.

(Colonial name-Coyo? Maybe another name for an IL?)

Itzli-God of sacrifice and stone knives

(Colonial name-Izli?)

Mextli-God of war and storms

(Colonial name-Mex)

Few more still to come. After that I'll see about moving on to the next mythology on the list.

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And now to wrap up Aztec:

Chalchiuhtlatonal-God of Water (I'd be hard pressed to come up with a name out of this)
Chalchiuhtecolotl-Night Owl god(Or this. Although the idea of a 'Night Owl' is a good one for a warrior, or Cylon, that operates in darkness)
Chalchiahtlicue-Jade skirt. Goddess of lake streams and birth. Consort of Tlaloc.(Really have to work on the name for this one. But the idea of a woman in a jade skirt by a river is quite a beautiful image in my mind. Maybe I can use it, but the name would need a lot of tweaking. Plus she would have a boyfriend in order to keep with the myth.)
Tlaloc-Rain, fertility and water. Also sent hail, thunder and lightning. Associated with caves, springs and mountains. He also demanded child sacrifices. (Good visuals or rain, fertility and water [especially if he has a hot woman by his side to emphasize the fertility part]. The part about child sacrifices.....VERY iffy.)
Chalchiuhtotoliq-God of pestilence and mystery
Chalmecatecuchtlz-God of the Underworld (Could be another IL but would REALLY need to work on the name.)

Now that I think about it the term 'Chal' could be used as a name for a Cylon resistance cell as the term is placed in front of several gods in the Aztec Mythology. Something to think on later.

Chalmecatl-The Underworld (Base for the Chal?)
Chantico-Hearthfire, personal treasure, & volcanoes
Chicomecoatl-New Maize and produce
Chiconahui-Domestic fertility goddess (Name 'Nahui'. Possibly combine name with the goddess in the Jade Skirt)
Chiconahuiehecatl-Associated with creation. (Possible name-Conah. Maybe a lead creation god in the book of the sun. Called Conah because REAL name....is unprenounceable.)
Cipoctonal-God of Astrology and the calendar
Citalicue-Creator of the stars. (Perhaps the name Cita or Cital could work here.)
Coatlicue-She of the serpent skirt. (Colonial name-Coa. Serpent could be associated with House of Iblis. Could also make for a great human villain. Plus put woman in Jade skirt with woman in Serpent Skirt, and you could get a catfight. [I know, I know. Cheap entertainment. But it could bring in some readers.])
Ehecatl-God of wind. Creator of heaven, earth and humanity. (Maybe a name 'Eheca' would work. Or 'Ehecal')

But with all these names and all these gods, you can probably understand why I stopped here with Aztec (especially with so many being hard to pronounce). Maybe I'll revisit this page again. But there are other mythologies on the list that need to be addressed. I will admit though that some of the names here have given me some other story ideas. Perhaps they have inspired other writers as well.

I guess the Mayans are next.

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Before I begin work on the Mayans I just wanted to get another thought down on a possible BSG Continuation idea. Hope you don't mind if I jota few things down from time to time.

I've been watching some of the Japanese Transformers episodes, and how each one has a separate title under the main Transformers banner. They had Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, etc. America followed with Generation 2, Beast Wars, Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon and Animated.

I'm guessing if there's a new continuation series done it will probably have to have a new series name to go along with the Galactica name, much like Transformers has done. Perhaps it could be called 'Generation Beta' or 'Neo Conquest' or maybe just 'Galactica II', 'Ark of Adama' or even 'Neo Genesis'

Something to think about and consider as research continues. I may want to look into aspects of rebirth and resurrection for a new companion title.

It's amazing what people come up with in distant countries. In the meantime...back to the Mayans.

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Got a bit from the Mayan page.

Popol Vuh-Book of the council:Book of the community
Hero Twins-Hunuhpu(Junajpu) and Xbalanque(Xb'ulanke)[geez, and I thought I was done with unpronounceable names after the Aztecs. Although the story of Hero Twins sounds like a good one.]
Vucub-Caquix(Seven-Mancaw) Bird Demon pretending to be the sun and the moon. [Could be good names for a pair of IL's?]
Itzumna-Creation God
Haub-18 months of 20 days each
Mani-City, name of Martial Art, peanut
Ixchel-Aged Jaguar goddess of midwifery and medicine. Earth, Rain and Moon(Colonial name-Chel)
Landa-Punjabi Script
The symbol is also one of the Jaguar. Something for the helmets maybe?
Yax Chilan-Major City. Means 'green stones'.
Copon and Quirigua-South Eastern Kingdoms
Dresden Codex-Contains Astronomical Tables
Olmec-Pre Columbian Culture
Kinich Ahau-Sun god
Chaac-Rain
Bolon Dzacab-Lightning
Bacabs-Thunder
Palenque-Temple of the Foliated Cross
Tikal, Copan-Names of Cities
Kan-Ancient Mayna City
The religion also had requirements of covenants to their higher powers.

I guess Mesopotamia/Sumer is next

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These questions popped into my head. Could be useful for character development.

"What do you fight for?"

"What do you believe in?"

Reminds me a little of Straczynski's 3 part question puzzle:'Who are you? Why are you here? What do you want?' Then he added a fourth question at the end of 'Sleeping in Light' on B-5:'Where are you going?'

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Another thing to think about:You know how they always said 'For Sagan's sake?' I'm wondering if perhaps some might do 'For Dresden's sake'. Make use of the Dresden name since it is referredto the Dresden Codex.

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Hello...

I've been writing a crossover fic for five years now. (maybe you've seen some of my old posts here at one time?).

Anyway, I've struggled with some "issues" on legitimizing TOS (especially having been bashed myself by NBSG folks on how unrealistic or cheesy my love of TOS is).

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro TOS all the way, but even when I was a kid I had some issues that remained unresolved till adulthood when I could sit down and rationalize some things.

In my fic the "Pegasus" ended up in the Freespace2 Universe from the blind jump, and ended up coming through the Gamma Draconis "Jumpnode" connected to Capella (lots of unstable circumstances).

Now please don't be offended by this, the following is only my own personal opinions and thoughts I wanted to share with you to enhance your effort. (should you also find them viable):
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Using TOS episodes as a guide (and highest Canon), BSG Caps can only go 1C or 1LY max speed. The C.O.R.A viper can slightly exceed that, but that's unique.

For a 20 year round trip, your target planet can only be 10LY away from the Colonies.

The crew could go into BSG "stasis" for 10 years and go to LS on auto pilot and wake up at the planet's system and then return same way. They hardly age for a 20 year round trip.

However, no BSG ship will ever get to a new "Galaxy" in the lifetime of a crew. Their stasis tech is simply NOT that good.

Now I have resolved this glaring and unavoidable conflict by exchanging the word their use.

Whenever they say "Galaxy" (and I mean almost every single time) they are actually MEANING: "Galactic Arm".

TOS takes place over 2 years. In that time they left their own local star systems, traveled across a "great void" (the space between "arms" where Kobol is a rogue system there), and entered a new arm.

Cyrannus was the name of their local "arm".
The entirety of TOS takes place in the MW Galaxy and (at most) across three spiral "arms". G-80 never takes place (it never existed and travel ends at episode 24 "Hand of God" for my purposes, the Galactica's story is left unfinished.

Not to argue or cause problems but for example one of our "nearby" Galaxies is Andromeda and is 300 years away IF we could go 20 times the speed of light.

The closest star system to Earth for example is in our local "arm" and is 4 years away at light speed.

This also works with TOS as the Colonials did have colonies and know of other planets/races, but really were not spread that far out. "Carilon" was known to them but so far away they never followed up on reports and believed it was a barely useable mining planet. (the unofficial "back story" is that BALTAR helped discover it on an exploration mission and suppressed knowledge of the Ovions as well as the planets true output potential and thus the Cylons were able to operate there freely for quite a while. this also made Baltar very rich.)

The only extra solar colonies found or known about in the series were of Colonials who travelled very far to escape war, persecution or were pirates or prisoners themselves.

While some were scattered pretty far, over 1000 years of war, exploration and keeping in touch with these far off outposts became impossible or a low priority.


None of my points and solutions I used for my fic is meant as anything but that.

If you found any of this useful, than my purpose was achieved.

If not then please disregard.



Good Luck with your project! :)

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Very useful. And I'll see what I can do about incorporating it.

I am saddened that with GINO a sense of empowerment among haters is perceived. As if they believe hating Galactica is some sort of righteous thing to do, as well as hating its fans. Telling them it was cheesy and campy (some of it was but not all of it) as if they have to knock it down in order to glorify GINO.

Anyway, working on Mesopotamia and Sumer. Very interesting subtopics can sprout from this involving the Akkadians and Babylonians too. I'll post what I've got soon enough.

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Mesopotamia/Sumer (plus maybe a little Akkadian and Babylonian)

Mesopotamia means 'Land between the rivers'. The rivers being the Tigris and the Euphrates. Considered the Cradle of Civilization where humanity was believed to have first emerged. Is now Present day Iraq.

Limmu lists-Compiling historical events.
En-Chief Priest
Lil-God of Air and Storms
Enlil-temple of Lil-changed to E-kur when it became Mesopotamia. Also called Nippur.
Enki-God of water and fertile Earth.
Erida-Earliest city in Southern Mesopotamia.
Ki(Ninhursag)Mother goddess representing the Earth. Represented at Esagila temple.
-Dedicated to Marduk-Protector god of Babylon
Marduk-'Solar calf' Patron deity of Babylon. Son of Ea.
Ashur-Main god of Assyria
Ninlil-(Nillina) Goddess of air and wife of Enlil.
Inanna-Goddess of love and war. Sexuality and fertility.
Urak-Ancient Sumerian (Babylonian) city. Responsible for shift from Agricultural centers to Urbanization.
Nanna(Suen in Sumerian)(Sin in Akkadian)-God of the moon.
-E'hursag temple of Ur and Harran
Ur-Sumerian City. Centralized irrigation
Harran(Carrhae)-Where Abraham lived before he reached Cannan, Also where Adam and Eve set foot after being expelled from the Garden of Eden.
Utu-(Tutu-Akkadian. Also Shamash in Akkadian)-God of the Sun. Babylonian God of Justice as well.
Sherida-Mother goddess and consort of Utu. Developed into Akkadian deity Aya. Consort of Shamash.
Ninurta-(Lord Plough-Sumerian)-Solar deity
Sheda-Human/bull monster. Helps people fight evil and chaos. Also called Lamassu. (Could be a good ally civilization).
Nergal-Solar deity. God of the desert and fire. Negative aspects of the sun and the Underworld.
Igigi-King of the Akkadian Empire. Also a god in heaven.
Tiamat-Goddess of the sea. Monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos. Killed by Marduk. Also called Thalatic-Greek for sea serpent or dragon.
Abzu-Water
Kingu-Unskilled laborer
En-hedu-ana:Akkadian princess. High priestess of Nanna the illuminator. Also assisted in merging Akkadian Ishtar with Sumerian Inanna.
Domkina(Damgalnuna)-Consort of Enlil. Mother of Marduk.
Sargon of Akkad-King of the Akkadians.

Their legacy lies in civilizations of the Babylonians, Akkadians, Hurrians and Hittites.

Next:Stonehenge.

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Took down a few tidbits about Stonehenge as there isn't exactly a mythology around it. There are a few theories though, and I picked up a few tidbits there.

One is that it was built by Merlin and was transported from Mount Killaraus, a mountain in Ireland that was said to be the source of the stones.

Another was that it was called 'The Giant's Round'. It was believed Giants from Africa had brought the stones to Killaraus to pour baths and heal the sick.

Another is that it is a Roman temple to the god Caelus. The personification of the sky in Roman mythology and Latin poetry. Equated with the Greek god of the heavens. (Hmmm, sounds like a good name for an Apollo type warrior. Or someone to fit that mold). Another point I would like to point out is that Caelus is also associated with Aquarius on the Zodiac (So this character may come off as an Aquarian instead of a Caprican).

Other names I got.

Roman: Greek:
Tellus Gaia
Saturn Cronus
Ops Rhea

Also there was a reference to Oceanus. This was believed to be the world ocean in classical antiquity. His wife is Tethys.

Also pointed out was the Mithraic Mysteries. A religion popular among the Roman military. Maybe something someone can look at later.

It was also said to be a temple for Druids, who held cultural repository of knowledge in oral tradition. They combine the duties of priest, judge, scholar and teacher. They were also believed to carry out human sacrifices. Another thing to look at later.

The theories of secular calendar and Burial Site were thrown around as well. People were buiried at Stonehenge in the past apparently. So maybe it was a multi use site. Burial site, healing and pilgrimage site, Secular Calendar, and it could also have been a Celtic creation.

Probably a lot more could be covered about Stonehenge, but I still have a list to work through. Next up are the Hittites.

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One name of possible use for Babylon: Amaroaka (or Amaroka): Sea Goddess/Wisdom

Yah she was a SG-1 alien killed by the Goa'uld, but it's a cool name. :)

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Thanks Star Dragon. If you have any other mythological contributions to give, feel free to post them. They can help set the setting.

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Wanted to add some sections regarding alphabets. The pages seemed too in depth for note taking. Figured I might as well post links for the pages.

First: Proto-Canaanite alphabet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Canaanite_alphabet

And something that is the History of the Alphabet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_alphabets

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Keeping a link for myself.

http://www.pantheon.org

May come in handy.

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Hittite information:

Hattusa-Hittite capital in the Bronze Age. Located in Central Anatalia
Anatalia-Asia Minor(means sunrise)
Heth(Het_Reconstructed leter of the Proto-Caananite alphabet
syllabogram-italic lowercase
Akkadograms-italic uppercase
Adana-Capital of the Adana Province in Turkey
Achaeons (Danaan, Danoai, Argives)Famous for building and using chariots
Nesili-referencing their language. Another term-Kanesili
Rhyton-Container in which fluids were drunk
Pithana-Hittite Bronze Age. Conquered Kanesh
Anita-Son of Pithana. Conquered Hattusa
Hatasilil(Labarna)-Another king
Constitutional Monarchy-Monarch acts as head of state within parameters of a written, or unwritten, constitution
Mythology influenced by Mesopotamia
Tarhunt-God of Thunder
Illyanka-Serpentine dragon (maybe another name for an IL)
Hebat-(Mother of all living.)
Arinna-Sun goddess (Good name for a heroine)
Sarruma-Son of Hebat. King of mountains. (Colonial name-Sar)
Teshub-Weather god
Telepinu-Son of Tarhunt. God of farming
Inara-Daughter of Tarhunt. Goddess of Wild Animals
Hannahannah-Grandmother goddess
Ishara-Goddess of the oath
Kumarbi-Bit off genitals of Anu, spit them out and created three new gods.
Elkurirsa-Goddess of fertility. Husband-Aserdus
Asherah-Queen of heaven
Pihassassa-Origins of animals like Pegasus
Hawasi Stones-Stones of Worship
Ellel-God of sky. Protector of oaths
Sutech-God of Sky and Storm
Hutena-Goddess of fate
Istanu-God of the sun. Also god of judgement. (Colonial name Tana)
Pirwa-Male/female god. Revolved around horse. (May be useful if I want a transvestite character.)
Rundas-God of the hunt and good fortune. (Symbol is an eagle with a hare in each talon).
Zababa(Astabis)-War god
Tilla-Bull god
Warrukatte-National war god.
Upellari-Dreaming god (Ubelluris)
Shaushka-Goddess of fertility, war and healing
Lelwani-Goddess of the underworld
Ereshkigal(Sumerian)-Great lady under Earth. Also called 'Irkala'
Karumsepa-Goddess of healing, medicine and magic. Could be a good name for a medical doctor.
Arunna-Her son.
Jarri-Plague and Pestilence. Lord of the bow. King's protector.
Khipa-Tutelary deity
Kaskuh-God of the moon
Hazzi-Mountain god of oaths
Hanawasuit-Throne goddess of kings
Hasomeli-God of metal workers and craftsmen
Halki-God of grain and beer
Arinniti-Sun goddess. Wife of Terhun (Thunder god) City Arinna
Alalus-Primordial, preceding formation of cosmos.
A'as-God of wisdom. Keeps tablets of fate.

I may want to look more into the primordials at some point. That gets my mind turning on other matters.

I'll look on the list to see what's next.

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Next up:the Welsh.

I'm halfway through the list, and I even came across a few mythologies that weren't even on it.

Don't know if I'll pursue those immediately, as I don't want overanalysis to keep me from writing my story. Once I'm finished with what's on the list I want to begin story writing. Other mythologies can wait another time, or someone else can look them up.

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Another continuation note I want to leave.

I thought of this as I was thinking about the Dynastic rule of Ancient China. I thought this might be a good way to maintain a connection with a distant continuation project and the original Galactica.

Essentially the connection would lie in 'the Dynasy of Uri'. I was listening to a YouTube reviewer saying how he would have loved it if Adama and Uri had a little more political struggle between them. Well I was figuring that after a major Cylon attack Adama would have been killed and Uri would rise to power. He would find a world to settle and Uri would be regarded as a savior to the Colonial people.

Over the years a Dynasty would form where an heir to Uri would take the presidency, even though there is a council in place. And history would be rewritten to where Uri and his family would be regarded as heroes while suporters of Adama would be looked at as old fools. It would be that way until the Cylons return. Then the descendants of the original Colonials, or the family of Adama, would do what they could to save the Colonies and resume the trip to Earth.

Another thought to get down. I hope to look at Welsh mythology more tonight.

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Completed Welsh research a few weeks ago. Kept the notes on hand. Time however has been topsy turvy though.

Anyway a main story in Welsh Mythology is the Four Branches of the Mabinogi, with the life of the main hero Pryderi being the common thread in this story. He's the only character to appear in all four stories. He is considered the son of Pywll and Rhiannon and is the King of Dyfed. He is married to Cigfa.

Llyr-Father of Bran, Brnwen and Manawydan. Imprisoned by Euroswydd. Has two sons:Nisien and Efnisien (Twin Brothers)

Nisien(Nissyen)-Tranquil and Generous
Efnisien (Efnysien)-Vindictive and Destructive
Pwll-Prince of Dyfed
Arawn-Ruler of the underworld called Annwn
Rhiannon-Horse Goddess
Gwawl-Man Rhiannon was forced to marry
Llwd-Seeks revenge for treatment of Gwawl. Turns pregnant wife into mouse
Teyrnon-Pryderi's foster father. Real parents are Arawn and Rhiannon
Branwen-Married to the King of Ireland. But the marraige does not bring peace.
Bran the Blessed(Bendigerdfran)-Giant and King translates as crow. Offers Matholwch a magic cauldron which restores the dead to life. (Bran-Noman?)
Gwern-Son of Branwen and Matholwch. Killed by uncle
Dyfed-Preserved county of Wales
Math-Son of Mathonwy who needs to rest his feet in the lap of a virgin unless he was at war.
Goewin-Math's foot holder, virgin and later wife.

Second page to come later.

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Page 2 of my Welsh notes:

Gilfaethwy-raped Goewin. Nephew of Math. Turned into deer, bear and wolves for his crime.
Arianrhad-As a test of virginity gives birth to two sons
Dylan-takes to the sea
Lleu-Bright or Deft hand(Lleu Llaw Gyffes)
Granwpebr-Hunter who plots to kill Lleu with Granw
Macsen Wledig-Emperor of Rome (Magnus Maximus)
Conanus-Rebelious nephew of Octavius
Brittany-Little Britain (Don't know why I put this in)
Elen-Woman in Maximus's dream
Coraniaid-Demonic people that can hear everything (possible Alliance ally)
Olwen-Daughter of giant Ysbaddaden. (Possible name for a female Noman)
Culwhch-Counter of Olwen
Einion-Story of 'Einion and Olwen'. A goat herder who travels to other world to court Olwen
Mabon ap Modron-Divine son
Gwythyr ap Greidawl-Rival of Gwyn ap Nudd. They fight over maiden Creiddylad
Creiddylad-Maiden Gwythyr and Gwyn fight over. Alternate name:Cordelia
Arianrhad-Denies Lleu three aspects of masculinity: a name, arms and a wife unless she gives it to him
Nuada-First king of Tuatha De Denann
Nodens-Healing, sea, hunting and dogs

Part 3 will be coming soon. Busy day tomorrow.

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Sorry this is taking a while. Pulled in a lot of directions. Even jotting down notes can be a chore.

But at any rate here's part 3. Areas that seem to lead to the Arthur legend.

Owain-Lady of the fountain. A follower of Arthur who played a dangerous game. (Another name Yvain)
Rhonabwy-Searches for a brother of the prince and has a dream of the game between Arthur and Owain
Cai-Arthur's advisor (Kay)
Geraint and Enid-Story that proves Enid's love and Geraint's fighting ability.
Taliesin-Bard, sung at court of kings.Ceridwen-Enchantress who swallows her poet to be reborn through her as Talesin
Bala Lake-Largest body of water in Wales.
Creirwy-Daughter of Ceridwen
Morfran-Ugly son of Ceridwen. Offered knowledge of the future but it went to Talesin instead.
Peparddun-Wife of Llyr (means Chief beauty)
Children:Bran, Branwen and Manawydan
Nisien-good man
Efnysien-conniving troublemaker
Caratacus-Led British resistance to Roman Conquest
Arawn-King of the Otherworld realm of Annwn. Death lord (IL)
Afallach-Derived from word 'afall'-apple
Cyhyraeth-Ghostly spirit. Disembodied voice that sounds before a person's death.
River Towi(Tywi)-Longest river in Wales
Gwen Teirbron-Invoked for women's fertility
Llefelys-King of France. Helps destroy the Coraniaid
Lludd Llew Eraint-Rids 3 plagues in Britain with help of Llefelys of Gaul

Part 4(and final part of Welsh mythology)coming soon as soon as time permits

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Fourth and final page on Welsh. Next will be Scottish.

Modron-Divine mother, fertility and harvest. Possible prototype for Morgan Le Fay.
Mobon-Son of Modron
Cigfa-Wife of Pyderi (Probable Colonial name Ifa or Iva)
Pwyll-Lord of Dyfed
Cadar(Cadwr)-Arthur legend. Duke of Cornwall
Trystan(Tristan)-A knight who consumes a love potion and falls for Iseult
Esylt(Iseult)-Lover of Tristan
Myrddin Wyllt (Merlin)
Urien-King of Rheged. One of three great battle leaders of Britain
Cyhyraeth-Death Spirit (Cyraeth-Sounds like a death weapon or a personal ship?-Cywraith?)
Morgens-Water spirits
Gwyllion-Kind of spirit
Ysbrydion0Spirits that contact humans on a spirit night
Plentyn Newid-Welsh take on a changeling
Y Dyn Hysbys-Wiseman
Dreigiau(Dragons)
Gwiddonod-Witches that take the form of a hare
Y Diawl-The Devil-(Hardened black faced shepherd leading pack of dogs)
Cwn Annwn-Hunting Dogs of the Otherworld
Ceffyl Dwr-Water Horse

Again-Scottish is next