Petition for Classic Galactica comics continuation...

[martok2112]

Alright, folks, Joe Rybrandt (the marketing director for Dynamite comics) has given TOS fans an opportunity to speak out, after getting sick and tired of all the complaints by a few people that their current story line simply weaves in and out of the first season, and goes nowhere forward.

I have drafted up and signed an epetition. Joe needs at least 10,000 to 15,000 signatures to possibly get the ball rolling.

Time to stop complaining, and perhaps do something about a continuation story.

Here's the site, if you want to make your voice known. Those of you who know more TOS fans who would love to see a continuation happen, even in comic book form, give them this petition link.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/BeyondTheHandOfGodGalactica/


Complain, and be laughed at. Or SIGN, and be HEARD!

Martok2112

[jjrakman]

Someone should pass this on to all the Yahoo Groups

[CBSG4ever]

Done Martok. You can count my voice. :salute:

[martok2112]

Whomever is a part of ANY TOS Galactica based Yahoo group...definitely post it. I will post it at my Yahoo groups too.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

P.S. JJ, I take it the link works from here? I've reposted the links anywhere that the link may have turned up "Page not found". Good eye, JJ. :salute:

[KamikazeAthena]

Signed! I will see where I can pass it along as well.

[ernie90125]

I have signed the petition, but how do I read the comments left by others, and see how many people have signed it ?

[BST]

I have signed the petition, but how do I read the comments left by others, and see how many people have signed it ?


Oh, I'm gonna THWACK you!!! :devil:

At the top of the page, click on the tab which says "Signatures". :D

[gmd3d]

Signed

[ernie90125]

Well spotted BST.....!!!

[martok2112]

And as you can see....we've got some signatories :D

[gmd3d]

I buy them if they do it right.:) always loved reading comics ...

[evil_genius_180]

TOS Galactica + comic books = happy evil_genius :D

I'm there, thanks for posting the link. :salute:

[martok2112]

Thank you all for signing.

Try to find some other signers. Give 'em the link. :)

Go forth and multiply.

er...well...ok, maybe not that last one...but you know what I mean. :D

Martok2112

[evil_genius_180]

I know some people on another forum I post on that will probably want something to do with this, so I'll post this there also. :)

[Eric Paddon]

I signed it, but honestly the more this guy at their board, Rybrandt opens his mouth, the more I just find myself rolling my eyes at how anyone could be so dense regarding the feelings of what the original series fanbase would have been happy to see. His latest excuse for why they didn't go the continuation route was because of the negative reaction to Ronald D. Moore's unmentionable thing that he even classified as a "continuation" and figured that if there were people who couldn't like Moore's unmentionable thing, then the same people would just say nasty things about any kind of TOS continuation.

I honestly thought I'd heard everything when it came to incredibly ridiculous things I could possibly hear with regard to TOS, but this one had me shaking my head and going in the immortal words of Bob Newhart, "Is this a rib?" Unfortunately it's a comment on what happens when anything related to TOS ends up in the hands of people who don't take a moment to actually study the show and realize why its had such long-term appeal.

I hope more people will sign it and I've passed it on to the fanfic mailing list (where people with diverse visions of what happened next have been living in perfect harmony for a decade), but I wish I had some actual faith in the people running Dynamite instead, and so far, the signs just aren't encouraging.

[martok2112]

I signed it, but honestly the more this guy at their board, Rybrandt opens his mouth, the more I just find myself rolling my eyes at how anyone could be so dense regarding the feelings of what the original series fanbase would have been happy to see. His latest excuse for why they didn't go the continuation route was because of the negative reaction to Ronald D. Moore's unmentionable thing that he even classified as a "continuation" and figured that if there were people who couldn't like Moore's unmentionable thing, then the same people would just say nasty things about any kind of TOS continuation.

I honestly thought I'd heard everything when it came to incredibly ridiculous things I could possibly hear with regard to TOS, but this one had me shaking my head and going in the immortal words of Bob Newhart, "Is this a rib?" Unfortunately it's a comment on what happens when anything related to TOS ends up in the hands of people who don't take a moment to actually study the show and realize why its had such long-term appeal.

I hope more people will sign it and I've passed it on to the fanfic mailing list (where people with diverse visions of what happened next have been living in perfect harmony for a decade), but I wish I had some actual faith in the people running Dynamite instead, and so far, the signs just aren't encouraging.


Eric, I'll be straight with you. Part of the reason you're catching so much flak is because of your approach. Although I agree with the heart of the matter you bring up, your approach is very condescending...especially toward the writers and promoters of the Classic comic. It only fits that you end up getting a snarky reply when you blast the writers for doing their jobs. I do not say these things to hurt you, my friend, but to get you to open your eyes to your approach.

All these guys are doing are their jobs. They're selling a product, and it's apparently selling pretty well.

What we have to do, Eric, is encourage those folks...not blast them for daggit droppings. :) I know...you're hurting from 27 plus years of denial...but give someone a chance to do the right thing before blasting them for inaction.

Joe already said: "I think this proves that we're willing to listen."

You've got to stop taking things over a TV show so personally.


(going into MOD mode)
As for Ron Moore's BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, that's not open to discussion here....praising, slamming, renaming, euphemizing, applying missives...whatever. Regardless how it may fit into the discussion at the Dynamite boards, it has no place here.
(end MOD mode)

Respectfully, and with no malice,
Steve

P.S. I am sincerely glad that you signed the petition, Eric. The number has already reached 30.... only 9,970 more sigs to go to reach the bare minimum for consideration by Dynamite. :)

[tracyb144]

I signed it :)

I'll post it on the DB site as well as getting word out to the various groups and forums for ye ol' original *$ :D

..T

[Eric Paddon]

I only made my posts at that place in what I thought, and still feel, were reasonably expressed points of view in which there'd hopefully be a dialogue if what I had to say was somehow out of line, or if the concerns I expressed were somehow based on a faulty premise, they'd make themselves known on that point. On that point, Rybrandt failed miserably. Goodness knows if someone were raising some objections to what I wrote in a project or were expressing some deep rooted concerns, I'd take the time out to have a dialogue with them if they were expressing their concerns in a reasonable way.

If their press releases are going to keep using terms like "toasters" to describe Cylons, or hype their stories in a way that frankly I think conceal the matter of their stories *not* being continuation ones, I'm really not sure I get where the problem lies in commenting on that. I don't think there was anything "whiny" in it, and while its true that the writers are there to do jobs, and so too are the PR people, if you're going to make your stuff part of the public arena, you're also going to invite criticism if there's any legit criticism out there to be made.

[martok2112]

I signed it :)

I'll post it on the DB site as well as getting word out to the various groups and forums for ye ol' original *$ :D

..T


Thanks, Tracy. Do spread the word where ye can. :)

[martok2112]

I only made my posts at that place in what I thought, and still feel, were reasonably expressed points of view in which there'd hopefully be a dialogue if what I had to say was somehow out of line, or if the concerns I expressed were somehow based on a faulty premise, they'd make themselves known on that point. On that point, Rybrandt failed miserably. Goodness knows if someone were raising some objections to what I wrote in a project or were expressing some deep rooted concerns, I'd take the time out to have a dialogue with them if they were expressing their concerns in a reasonable way.

If their press releases are going to keep using terms like "toasters" to describe Cylons, or hype their stories in a way that frankly I think conceal the matter of their stories *not* being continuation ones, I'm really not sure I get where the problem lies in commenting on that. I don't think there was anything "whiny" in it, and while its true that the writers are there to do jobs, and so too are the PR people, if you're going to make your stuff part of the public arena, you're also going to invite criticism if there's any legit criticism out there to be made.

Understood, Eric.

Right now, all I ask for is (for lack of a better word) restraint. Let's see what happens. We've waited 27 yahrens...we can wait a little longer.

Right now, though, the fate of consideration itself rests with a ton more signatures. :)

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Gemini1999]

Steve -

I went ahead and posted the info along with a link to the petition at the Star Trek: Hidden Frontier forum just to get the word out in an arena where there is a bit more traffic of SciFi fans.

I hope we get some more signatures out of it.

I'd post the info at the Miata forum I post at, but I wouldn't know where to put it......!

Bryan

[martok2112]

Steve -


I'd post the info at the Miata forum I post at, but I wouldn't know where to put it......!

Bryan

Maybe if you posted it as "Battle-CAR Galactica" ;) :D

[jjrakman]

Is this posted on Dynamite comic's own bboard?

Also it would be great if they published a fan letter in their next comic with the URL for this petition in it.

[martok2112]

No, I've not posted it there, but now that I think about it, I will. :)

And ya never know...after that, it just might appear in a future issue.

Good thought there, JJ. :)

Martok2112

[jjrakman]

And doesn't Kingfish have a lot of forums?

[martok2112]

Pacifica that I know of. I didn't know he had more beyond that. I've made a petition link at Pacifica.

[jjrakman]

Maybe some of the Admin here and at CA & BSG CLub might be willing to send out a mass e-mail to their membership, to contact some of the members who haven't been active in a while.

[BST]

Maybe some of the Admin here and at CA & BSG CLub might be willing to send out a mass e-mail to their membership, to contact some of the members who haven't been active in a while.

JJ,

It's not a matter of willingness but, more like one of effectiveness.

There may be some other methods of "getting the message out" which would be less cumbersome and more 'verifiable'. (There is always the alternative of inviting one to see things, as they are, for oneself.)

;)

[martok2112]

And the invitation has been sent out. :)

[KJ]

Yo Martok!

I've been away for a week or so, and people here know of that fact. Just been reading a few things here about this petition so i'm catching up with recent events.

Hmmmm?

I see this petition has probably brought "trolls" out as i see number 69 of the petition has somebody claiming to be me? Ted? Languatron? Scooter, Stallion and the idiotic moist boys? I don't know do did that, but i haven't signed this thing yet (how could i have, i've been away?) So i suggest if you have any connections with this Joe person, please retify this nonsense and remove any Trollish comments front here etc. whomever's I.P. address was used to make that idiotic signature '69' should be tracked down and be dealt with, ban their i.P. address etc. Cos i don't want some "braindead" loser using my name in that way claiming i said that sh*t?

Kinda childish of whomever to stir up any possibly 'hornets nest' with this crap after 5 or so years later on the internet don't ya think!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/BeyondTheHandOfGodGalactica/signatures.html

Pathetic of whomever to try and get a rise in this way. :blink:

Be gutsy enough to challenge or reveal yourself to me and everybody else or go away you sad excuse of a person? :rolleyes:

Alright, folks, Joe Rybrandt (the marketing director for Dynamite comics) has given TOS fans an opportunity to speak out, after getting sick and tired of all the complaints by a few people that their current story line simply weaves in and out of the first season, and goes nowhere forward.

I have drafted up and signed an epetition. Joe needs at least 10,000 to 15,000 signatures to possibly get the ball rolling.

Far as my comment for this thing goes...

Seems too high a tally for any action to be taken. Why not 5,000 instead? 10,000 and beyond is too much to ask for in my opinion. It took 10,000 dollars for the CFF effort to get ads for a Battlestar Galactica continuation in Vareity magazine and Cinescape out there to the masses. Why so high a number for yet another petition again, when the reaction is wayyy too slow by the looks of things and i'm being very honest here! Great petitions have huge numbers in a matter of days. This won't reach the numbers in the thousands for a long while to come.

I understand how big the United States as a country is but come on, the comics industry isn't that big anymore where comic lables like Dynamite Entertainment can command folks to ask for that much in petition replies so quickly???

Anyways somebody please fix that B.S. with whomever using my name, cos if i'm to sign this thing i want to use my name. CF e-mail me when its done and i'll sign, cos i don't want some joker using my name and making those comments. And i want no excuses or reasons why it can't be done either (put yourself in my position?). You really can't ask me to sign, if trolls from this fandom's area, are taking liberities and making stupid comments with a fellow CF member's name?

What good can i do now if that sh*t is going on!

Can i count on people here backing me up and clearing my name? :(

KJ

[gmd3d]

you can count on me .. for sure

[Eric Paddon]

I have to admit there is something highly condescending in our being asked to produce 10,000 signatures just to prove there's any kind of interest in continuation stories in a comic book devoted to Battlestar Galactica. It frankly shows a condescending approach to the subject material in that they feel evidently it's not strong enough to be sustained beyond the nuances of the original episodes (or maybe their writers just aren't creative enough to come up with some ideas on the subject).

Regardless of what happens on this, I think TOS fandom got screwed big time that this company ended up with the rights. At a time when a Galactica comic most needed the likes of a Chris Scalf, what we got instead are people who are fundamentally clueless about all things in the TOS universe, and boy does it ever show.

[martok2112]

Howdy, KJ.

I am really sorry that someone decided to fake your name and use it for trolling purposes. I don't think I have any editing control whatsoever over the petition once it's been signed.....and that is sad....because I hate hearing of one of my friends' names being besmirched in this manner.

And you are correct, the signings are now coming in low and slow. It would take forever to get 10,000 names....let alone 5,000 on a subject like this.

Fortunately, I have not (as BST advised me) put too much emotional capital into this. I am glad people are signing, but it's not bringing in the numbers that I figured it would if TOS did indeed have such a super-loyal fanbase. I figured TOS fans would be chomping at the bit for something like this...but all indications are that it isn't the case.

I wish I could delete the name, KJ, but as far as I know, I can't. Probably the only thing I could do is see if I can just halt the petition. It's lost its steam already....count is now up to 73 names...and many of those are annonymous...not very encouraging.

I guess that's what I get for trying to be proactive about something.

The other thing that's irking me (and I should've entered a caveat advising against such things) are these people that are trashing TNS in their signatures/comments. This is about the original series. There is NO NEED whatsoever for them to bring up the new show.

That's what I get for trying to show my loyalty to the original show. :wtf:

In fact, I am of half a mind to just halt the petition and concede.

TOS fans apparently DON'T want a continuation. The word's been spread, and I know there are more members at the TOS sites than have signed the petition. Maybe not in the thousands...but certainly more than the 73 who have signed thus far.

I dunno. I'll let the petition fly a little longer....and if it doesn't pick up steam soon...I'm just gonna terminate it, and not bother Dynamite anymore about it.

Again, KJ, I am really sorry that some airhead (substituted for the word I'd really like to use) had to trash your name like that...and outside of terminating the petition, I wish there was something more I could do.

DAMN!!!!

I better stop before I go off on a tirade.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, bro. :salute:

Martok2112

[Eric Paddon]

Martok, you did the best you could do with a stacked deck that was dealt you. IMO, Rybrandt was well aware of what one is up against when one gets forced to go this kind of route, in which the true measure of what TOS fandom thinks about wanting continuation stories can not possibly be measured by an on-line petition that the rank-and-file of TOS fandom can not easily find access to. He was trying to come up with something to say with a sham air of legitimacy that what they're doing is just fine and wonderful, and only a bunch of malcontents in need of a life think otherwise. That is IMO all that's been demonstrated here, and not that there isn't a groundswell of desire for continuation stories in this medium.

What Rybrandt and company should have the guts to do is *do* a continuation storyline and see what the reaction is from the audience, because *that* would be a true test of its potential and not what's happening in this way the cards were dealt.

And you are right, that other show should not be part of the equation when judging this. But let's not forget that Rybrandt and company were the ones who rather senselessly brought it into the mix to use as part of their justification for not doing a continuation storyline, and that doesn't speak well of them anymore than those who would use the petition as an occasion to reopen that debate again.

You are to be commended for having tried to take a step, and for that a well-earned salute (I can't get the icon to work!) from all of us. :)

[BST]

Hey Eric,

If you're doing the smilie, "longhand", it would be : salute : (of course, delete the spaces before and after the colons).

;) :D

[Eric Paddon]

Well, here it is this time, better late than never! :) :salute:

[martok2112]

Thanks, Eric. :salute:

[jjrakman]

Don't be too discouraged Martok. You did your best. This show definitely has a super-loyal fanbase, but it also has a lazy and pessimistic fanbase as well. A good part of this has been brought about by being pissed on repeatedly, so it's understandable to a point. Since the announcement of, well you know, it's generally taken an Act of Congress to mobilize this fanbase to do much of anything, with only a dedicated few still willing to contribute some sweat equity. Most I think are just worn out from trying to have dialogue with a production company that for all practical purposes seems like a brick wall.

[Eric Paddon]

I think that hits the nail on another point, namely that so many of us in the fanbase feel tired of having to prove something through petitions, or taking out ads in Variety to get the point across about what we think about TOS and would like to see. A lot of us, especially myself, think that what we've done for so many years to demonstrate appreciation for TOS should be something that should be *instinctively* recognized by the Powers That Be who control these things, but it seems like that effort always gets brushed aside and always anything bearing the name "Battlestar Galactica" is used by those Powers That Be in a way that never once gives any consideration for the people that love Galactica most.

[BST]

That constant need for us having to 'prove something' is another thing that didn't go over too well with me. While giving the petition all the attention that it deserves, we also decided to invite Rybrandt to this site as well as other TOS sites. Let him see for himself what this fanbase has to offer.


Who knows, maybe some of our Colonial Library residents can offer some pointers.

;)

[martok2112]

Thanks for the kind words, JJ. :)

Well...lemme check and see where the petition stands now.

We're up to seventy four names. (Thanks, Julix :) )

I can most assuredly understand the situation for my TOS-only brethren and sisters. After so long of feeling like the fanbase has been ignored in one form or another, it does end up getting to the point of "What's the point?"

So, still, it's up to the fans to keep the spirit of the show alive through fanworks (fanfic, fanfilms, fanart, fanaudio, etc.)

I will still continue to support the Classic (and TNS) Galactica comics, and try to maintain a dialogue with Joe and Tommy, and try to plow the road for a possible continuation story.

Wish me luck, folks.

Appreciatively,
Martok2112

[jjrakman]

I think Kingfish also has Battlestar Rycon, and there's a Battlestar Orion.

But I think inviting them here and at other websites is a good idea. Hell, every registered member should serve as a signature in and of themselves.

[Eric Paddon]

Rycon is only the back-up site for Pacifica. Once you post the info on Pacifica, you pretty much take care of those associated with his sites.

[KJ]

I had a good mind to post a disclaimer saying that person/poster was wrongly using my name. But as i'm saying, such a thing needs to come from somebody else here? I'm also surprised how nobody else noticed this and didn't say anything until i brought it to everyone's attention, surely other Galactica fans would've reckonised that something was up (as i've seen various names from BG fandom members on there) thats how it is huh?

I really ought to post as somebody annonymous and say whomever at "number 69" isn't me. But i just don't want to fall for that crap is all.

Whomever posted it hasn't grown up and just wants attention badly to disrupt a petition. :(

And as i've said, although i understand the importance of this petition. What its asking is kinda too much and should've been a little more reasonable considering the circumstances of a Galactica comic book's revival each time its happened etc.

And thank you for the kind words Martok.

Perhaps you and others can explain to RGrant next you seen him elsewhere's, that the person messing around on this petition isn't the KJ of BG fandom he's talked to in the past etc.

KJ

[martok2112]

I'll try to PM RGrant and advise him of such, KJ. :)

[martok2112]

Yo Martok!



I see this petition has probably brought "trolls" out as i see number 69 of the petition has somebody claiming to be me? Ted? Languatron? Scooter, Stallion and the idiotic moist boys? I don't know do did that, but i haven't signed this thing yet (how could i have, i've been away?) So i suggest if you have any connections with this Joe person, please retify this nonsense and remove any Trollish comments front here etc. whomever's I.P. address was used to make that idiotic signature '69' should be tracked down and be dealt with, ban their i.P. address etc. Cos i don't want some "braindead" loser using my name in that way claiming i said that sh*t?

Kinda childish of whomever to stir up any possibly 'hornets nest' with this crap after 5 or so years later on the internet don't ya think!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/BeyondTheHandOfGodGalactica/signatures.html

Pathetic of whomever to try and get a rise in this way. :blink:

Be gutsy enough to challenge or reveal yourself to me and everybody else or go away you sad excuse of a person? :rolleyes:




KJ


Hey, KJ,

I tried to PM you, but your inbox is full. I think it needs burping. :D

Just to let you know, I spoke with RGrant via PM, and he wants you to know that all is well between you and him. I explained the situation, and he has his suspicions about who may have done this, but obviously I won't post those suspicions in open forum.

Your name is good with him, and all is cool. :)

If I can find the means to edit my petition, I will.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

P.S. The petition has stagnated at 78 signatures.

[KJ]

Thanks for that Martok.

I better get burping then?

KJ

[KJ]

Done try re-sending your PM.

KJ

[martok2112]

Sent. :)

[KJ]

Got it, read your reply man!

laters

KJ

[martok2112]

Peace :salute: