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Damocles
August 2nd, 2006, 11:04 AM
How would Galactica fans envision action sequences in a series of BG movies
I was thinking this, seeing as we've never truly discussed how we'd like to see action sequences in a Galactica movie being movies have changed over the past 10 to 15 years or so.
We've come off trilogies like The Lord Of The Rings, The Matrix and its sequels and Star Wars prequels which all had fantastic action set pieces. And other rather new and creative movies like The Fifth Element, Brotherhood Of The Wolf, The Descent, Kill Bill, The Ring (remake) Casshern, Dark City, Terminator 3, Silent Hill and the recent glut of superheroes movies.<snip>
Most of the films you named were GARBAGE-especially the superhero movies..
These are just some of my examples of films that compared to the past, have made huge leaps and bounds in visual effects and were shot with a certain exotic style that made them stand out as they did when they were all released.
If the story is no good, then all the CGI in the world is just a waste. Example The Phantom Menace or The Revenge of the Sith two of the most colossal steaming brown piles of bad movie making it has been my displeasure to watch-ever. Worse than that pile of dreck I, Robot!
Besides dogfights between Colonial Vipers and Cylon Raiders, and the journey to discover the lost 13th tribe of humanity, exactly how would the fans envision many of the action sequences in a Battlestar Galactica continuation movie. What would you like to see happen in other words?
Nothing like some of the crap seen in the Star Wars prequels, that’s for sure!
1) Traveling through hyperspace via a faster than Lightspeed drive or Warp system being achieved in CGI/SFX.
Stick to the best science. Wormhole inflation.
2) Clunky Cylons in futuristic suits looking much akin to Stan Winston's visually formidable and dangerous Terminators?
Spiderbot Centurions or ball shaped floaters as SPCglider and I discussed more than half a year ago.
3) Any kind of "Martial Arts" being used by the Colonial Warrior pilots/infantry or Borellian Nomen on the battle field or one-on-one confrontations with anybody.
Colonial against Colonial? Use Israeli IDF street-fighter melee combat techniques. Leave that Hollywood martial arms crap where it belongs. When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.
Martial arts aginst machines is stupid. Use CGI generated kinetics effects.(Blow the Cylons up or shoot them.)
4) Far more use of the mythological elements of the TV series being adapted for the BG movies. I.E. the Von Daniken ideas and ancient Earth history as guides for the colonials to track down Earth via an Indiana Jones style hunt across the galaxy?
Van Daniken? Please! :thumbdown There is enough utter stupidity being taught in our public schools without using popular mass entertainment to spread the lies. Use the Egyptian religious motifs as a HERITAGE not as a precursor ancient astronaut ancestors type of nonsense. .
5) The Count Iblis and John and The Ships Of Light Demons and Angels motifs from WOTG. Being examined in any possible storyline in the films/sequels much like The Vorlons Vs the Shadows of Babylon 5 angle?
Use the Mormon/Israel Exodus biblical heritage roots to develop that good/evil conflict in Battlestar Galactica as it was originally set forth.in the CBSG treatment.
The Shadows/Vorlons conflict of Babylon 5 comes out of JMS’ own experience with Jungian psychology and would not fit at all with the faith-driven story of the Colonial RT fleet fleeing the Cylon tyranny. One tradition is distinctly religious. The other is ATHEISTIC.
6) Or any other concept from the BG series that wasn't looked at such as; Aliens, Space Pirates, lost colonies/human outposts, the peoples of the rag tag fleet etc.
Use the Colonials of the RT fleet as you wish to tell the story of the exodus from their viewpoints. CBSG was always weak in this area.
Space pirates? Infeasible as space pirates make no sense in the Colonial story arc. There is no commerce to raid. Space Indians for our "Mormons" to encounter? Possible but UNLIKELY. Still possible.
Other aliens? Aside from the Cylons and the named canon aliens? No!
I know it all depends on the stories, <snip>
I want to know being, if we were all working on an official movie of Battlestar Galactica, exactly what fresh unbiased 'fanboy-ish' ideas could we offer up to the filmmakers! Cos I’m certain today you'd need to be very professional and approach movie making with a 'non-nostalgia' filled flick, much akin to Bryan Singer's Superman Returns. Hey it was good but the main criticism was way too much love of the 1978 Donner Superman film with one too many references to it etc.
Outline your ideas here folks, lets see if Galactica continuation, could really be an original thought out drafted movie script ready for a movie executive's nod for the greenlight!
KJ
Blade Runner or Gattica applied to CBSG. Story, story, story, story! The SFX will take care of itself with Singer/Desanto in the saddle.
As always;
BST
August 2nd, 2006, 02:14 PM
Damocles,
I think the idea behind KJ's post was to -- get people to think of what they would like to see in a continuation movie.
In my view, he presented the examples as a springboard for ideas....not that they would become part of the show bible.
If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.
On another note...... Lord Of The Rings -- garbage???
I...........don't.........think............so.
Care to elaborate.
Dawg
August 2nd, 2006, 02:32 PM
And the Von Daniken theories were a large basis for the backstory of BSG as well. The what-if factor - what if there were brothers of man who were even now fighting to survive, somewhere across the heavens.
It doesn't matter if those theories were discredited. The story was about the survivors of the 12 Colonies in search of the 13th - Earth. Take that away and you take away something core to what makes Battlestar Galactica the story it is.
I am
Dawg
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KJ
August 2nd, 2006, 10:04 PM
Damocles,
I think the idea behind KJ's post was to -- get people to think of what they would like to see in a continuation movie.
In my view, he presented the examples as a springboard for ideas....not that they would become part of the show bible.
If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.
On another note...... Lord Of The Rings -- garbage???
THANK YOU!
(also like to add Brotherhood of the wolf -- garbage ??? WTF? :rolleyes: )
And the Von Daniken theories were a large basis for the backstory of BSG as well. The what-if factor - what if there were brothers of man who were even now fighting to survive, somewhere across the heavens.
Exactly. some that the new show avoided to its peril etc.
Ya know, its one thing to jump down somebody throat. its entirely another when you jump the gun and get all your facts and points way off. What exactly have you contributed to this thread Damocles? Point was to come up with your own theories as to how a Galactica continuation would go about being entirely fresh with its own "action set pieces"!
Films i've listed maybe be somewhat questionable, but thats not the point of the arguement IS IT! most of them have gross ugly amounts of money at the box office and thensome! Don't like it, TOUGH they made tons of money upon release. and alot of them were more than just popcorn flicks bub, Much as fans of this fanbase want a continuation from either the remains of DeSanto or Hatch's former envisioned Galactica projects BUT fandom hasn't anything to discuss though? Star Wars fans can brag about Anakin and Obiwan dueling or Yoda Vs Count Dooku to their hearts content COS IT HAPPENED whether or not if the prequels were 'mack' to begin with from 'egomaniac, do it my way' George Lucas.
Most of the films you named were GARBAGE-especially the superhero movies..
Never listed any superhero movies? If you were paying attention i said recent superheroes movies, which leaves it kinda of open to which ones were good and what were the worse ones etc? If you're going to rant get your facts right!
Spiderbot Centurions or ball shaped floaters as SPCglider and I discussed more than half a year ago.
What and after that you're all worn out? Incaperble of talking or coming up with any new theories about how they work into a movie version. Spiderbot Centurions huh? Thanks and........WTF exactly does it do? bark By your command like the regular TOS Cylon? See that why i said STATE YOU REASONS FOR AN ACTION SEQUENCE! Telling me of a year old discussion where you brought this up is pretty pointless. Expand on it if the discussion was that great then.
Colonial against Colonial? Use Israeli IDF street-fighter melee combat techniques. Leave that Hollywood martial arms crap where it belongs. When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.
Martial arts aginst machines is stupid. Use CGI generated kinetics effects.(Blow the Cylons up or shoot them.)
:rotf:
Who said anything against just Cylons? Galactica's got a big ass canvas for other enemies to show up?
Last time i took at look at movies they exaggerate things to the BLOODY extreme!!! This isn't Gino bub.
Martial arts aginst machines is stupid
Not if lets say, some Colonial Warriors had bionic upgrades, or if a bunch of Space Pirates showed up and had the same thing etc.
Watch some asian sci-fi/martial art films and then get back to me o.k.
When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.
Yeah just like on the old school playground (ahh those memories? ;) )
Seriously if so, why bitch when i mentioned Kill Bill then? Then again if you really want all that, then go watch UFC, Vale Tudo or Pancreas fighting on cable?
The Shadows/Vorlons conflict of Babylon 5 comes out of JMS’ own experience with Jungian psychology and would not fit at all with the faith-driven story of the Colonial RT fleet fleeing the Cylon tyranny. One tradition is distinctly religious. The other is ATHEISTIC.
(oh please don't even think to challenge me on B5 related stuff? :D )
WRONG, neither Count Iblis nor the John and the beings from the "Ships of Light" are flesh and blood. Same goes with the Vorlons and Shadows of Babylon 5. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOTIFS OF HIGHER BEINGS PERIOD!
The two part War Of The Gods episode expanded upon Battlestar Galactica saying that advance beings walk amounst them, what better way for other more powerful characters of the TOS Galactica franchise to be a major all powerful "threat" in the possible live action set of movies, should Galactica reach the big screen in a few years time and turn up in the sequels no less?
(sheeeeesh :rolleyes: )
In my view, he presented the examples as a springboard for ideas....not that they would become part of the show bible.
If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.
EXACTLY!!! :thumbsup:
Thats what i meant from the get go! Thanks again BST.
Use the Colonials of the RT fleet as you wish to tell the story of the exodus from their viewpoints. CBSG was always weak in this area.
Space pirates? Infeasible as space pirates make no sense in the Colonial story arc. There is no commerce to raid. Space Indians for our "Mormons" to encounter? Possible but UNLIKELY. Still possible.
WRONG once again *sigh* "The Beta Pirates" script following the pliot episode would've been greenlighted as one of the double episodes, had it not cost too much money and time and effort to film.
Considering other unfilmed scripts were nearly filmed as well like "Two For Twilly" and "Showdown". To come out and say alot of the unused concepts of Battlestar Galactica were not to be used or weren't ever going to be resurrected is folly, and is quite a stupid thing to say actually?
Blade Runner or Gattica applied to CBSG. Story, story, story, story! The SFX will take care of itself with Singer/Desanto in the saddle.
As always;
So basically you're lazy? And you've never had a thought in your head for your own and wanted to discuss it, is that what your telling us?
Singer and DeSanto have moved on to other projects, yeah DeSanto hanging on but both he and Singer are fans like us? Only difference is? That they are also professionals who work in the movie industry and probably remember the same outlined ideas they had for Galactica and would've done their own take on it.
Bio-organic Cylons was Singer's idea wasn't it? As was the Scarlet and Duet Viper's for Hatch's Galactica, less said about Larson's walking Vipers the better, but those were his idea and all.
Point is, what if Singer doesn't come back for the ride and Larson tells DeSanto i've got someone else in mind? Who would you put faith in then to do Galactica for the big screen and what unique concepts which aren't that of Singer/Desanto, Hatch or Larson can you come up with by lonesome with strong sci-fi/fantasy elements?
Don't bother answering! No offence but stick to Gin.."that other show?" o.k. TOS Galactica kinda demands an overactive imagination! Some of us get it is all, while others don't.
KJ
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 01:46 AM
Damocles,
I think the idea behind KJ's post was to -- get people to think of what they would like to see in a continuation movie.
I understood that quite clearly.
In my view, he presented the examples as a springboard for ideas....not that they would become part of the show bible.
May I point out what he suggested as guidance?
The Lord Of The Rings{excellent- I like Tolkien}
The Matrix and its sequels{garbage}
Star Wars prequels{utter garbage} The Fifth Element{mediocre}
Brotherhood Of The Wolf{Bad story}
The Descent{boring}
Kill Bill{utterly stupid},
The Ring (remake, the original was better)
Casshern{steaming pile}
Dark City{mediocrity}
Terminator 3{rehashed cliches}
Silent Hil{Utter waste of time}l
Superheroes movies.{with the exception of Spiderman, pretty much a waste of money and time.}
If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.
A person who invokes ancient astronaut mythology as a basis for any story telling? I'll rip that apart much as I would rip apart Grey 17 is Missing because it is such awful tripe..
On another note...... Lord Of The Rings -- garbage???
Did you read me write that? No.
I...........don't.........think............so.
I didn't think you did.
Care to elaborate.{On Lord of the Rings}
If you want the fifty word or less critique anyway?
The Fellowship of the Ring was somewhat narrative confused in its presentation.
The Two Towers plodded along to its rising action.
The Return of the King tried to jam a little too much story in too short a piece of time.
Still, The Lord of the Rings, in this degenerate age of story telling is fine film making. Just not something I would rank up with say Metropolis, though the trilogy is better than Gone With The Wind.
Care to elaborate.{on what you want in CBSG}
Gattica and Blade Runner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner
Those two films hit the moral dilemna that CBSG has at its ultimate core head on and what I ultimately took away from the original series when I saw it. FAITH AND MAN. FAITH AND MACHINE. MAN AND MACHINE AND THE QUESTION OF FREEDOM.
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As always;
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 02:06 AM
For KJ
Brotherhood of the Wolf? If I want to see some French B movie werewolf fantasy I'll rent La Belle et la Bete by Cocteau, thank you!
Ya know, its one thing to jump down somebody throat. its entirely another when you jump the gun and get all your facts and points way off. What exactly have you contributed to this thread Damocles? Point was to come up with your own theories as to how a Galactica continuation would go about being entirely fresh with its own "action set pieces"!
Quite easily to ascertain; you did not read what I wrote?
KJ , you really did not read what I wrote did you? Some of the most profitable garbage to disgrace our screens prospers precisely because people will settle for it when that is all that they are offered{SW 1-3- Batman movies for example}. I don't care if others spend their money to go and see the offal. I sample the garbage later at my leisure and when it stinks, I SAY SO. If you don't like what I say, tough. Take that critique up with some critic like Roger Ebert. I'm sure he cares about aforesaid opinion too, not.
The only thing I demand of opinion{including my own} is that it be backed up, not that it be popular or majority in nature. If my opinions on say something as obviously stupid as Kill Bill so riddled with cliches as to be nothing but a Quentin Tarentino pastiche..... were the majority nopinion then I would have to re-examine where I might be wrong as I would have to concklude that I had not analyzed the moivie in anything but the most superficial way.
Originally Posted by Damocles
Most of the films you named were GARBAGE-especially the superhero movies..
Never listed any superhero movies? If you were paying attention i said recent superheroes movies, which leaves it kinda of open to which ones were good and what were the worse ones etc? If you're going to rant get your facts right!
Recent garbage superhero movies in order of presentation/regression then.{You do not have to list them them for me to know about which you wrote, KJ. Noit everything has to be laboriously spelled out. D.]
Superman
X-men movies
Hulk
Batman Begins
Originally Posted by Damocles
Spiderbot Centurions or ball shaped floaters as SPCglider and I discussed more than half a year ago.
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What and after that you're all worn out? Incaperble of talking or coming up with any new theories about how they work into a movie version. Spiderbot Centurions huh? Thanks and........WTF exactly does it do? bark By your command like the regular TOS Cylon? See that why i said STATE YOU REASONS FOR AN ACTION SEQUENCE! Telling me of a year old discussion where you brought this up is pretty pointless. Expand on it if the discussion was that great then.
First of all I did not imagine that you would have such a lack of imagination that you could not visualize the imagery of Centurions built as spiderbots or floating ballbots. Secondly to me the movie is not about the action sequences. It is about the story and the people in it. If you want an action sequence event; go to North Hollywood and wait for real life to come calling. Be prepared to duck though. Those bullets are real.
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Originally Posted by Damocles
Colonial against Colonial? Use Israeli IDF street-fighter melee combat techniques. Leave that Hollywood martial arms crap where it belongs. When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.
Martial arts aginst machines is stupid. Use CGI generated kinetics effects.(Blow the Cylons up or shoot them.)
Who said anything against just Cylons? Galactica's got a big ass canvas for other enemies to show up?
I've addressed this. Don't fall into the Berman alien of the movie schtick.
Last time I took at look at movies they exaggerate things to the BLOODY extreme!!! This isn't Gino bub.
Look mate, you aren't qualified to assess how I analyze since you missed so much of what you wrote and a great deal of what I wrote by letting your emotion get in the way of your cognition.
SO LET ME HELP YOU!
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=3
There I am Thinker2222.
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144
Martial arts aginst machines is stupid
Not if lets say, some Colonial Warriors had bionic upgrades, or if a bunch of Space Pirates showed up and had the same thing etc.
Watch some asian sci-fi/martial art films and then get back to me o.k.
Do some real fighting hand to hand and get back to me, KJ.
When people fight hand to hand it is short, intensely violent, bloody, and sickening as in visually broken bodies QUICK.
Yeah just like on the old school playground (ahh those memories? )
No. I mean like when you take a rifle butt and smash the head of a man in so hard that it splits like a pumpkin right where the four bony plates that form the top of his skull come together, KJ.
Seriously if so, why bitch when i mentioned Kill Bill then? Then again if you really want all that, then go watch UFC, Vale Tudo or Pancreas fighting on cable?
Living it was bad enough. I don't need to see the ignorant try to fantasize it on screen.
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Originally Posted by Damocles
The Shadows/Vorlons conflict of Babylon 5 comes out of JMS’ own experience with Jungian psychology and would not fit at all with the faith-driven story of the Colonial RT fleet fleeing the Cylon tyranny. One tradition is distinctly religious. The other is ATHEISTIC.
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(oh please don't even think to challenge me on B5 related stuff? )
You really have stepped in the mess on that one, KJ;
Here let me help you some more;
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=236
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9
You are challenged. Put up!
WRONG, neither Count Iblis nor the John and the beings from the "Ships of Light" are flesh and blood. Same goes with the Vorlons and Shadows of Babylon 5. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOTIFS OF HIGHER BEINGS PERIOD!
The two part War Of The Gods episode expanded upon Battlestar Galactica saying that advance beings walk amounst them, what better way for other more powerful characters of the TOS Galactica franchise to be a major all powerful "threat" in the possible live action set of movies, should Galactica reach the big screen in a few years time and turn up in the sequels no less?
(sheeeeesh )
You don't have the beginnings of an argument there my friend. If you make such a fundamental error as to B5's First Ones and how JMS used them; and then compare them to Galactica's Beings of Light then you are in quicksand. I suggest you swim out.
If you have ideas regarding a continuation effort and what you would like to see of it, please share them but, don't rip into someone else's post which was simply providing 'food for thought'.
Well you are getting it here in spades. And you had a piece of it to read if you had just looked at it and recognized it, immediately below.
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Originally Posted by Damocles
Use the Colonials of the RT fleet as you wish to tell the story of the exodus from their viewpoints. CBSG was always weak in this area.
Space pirates? Infeasible as space pirates make no sense in the Colonial story arc. There is no commerce to raid. Space Indians for our "Mormons" to encounter? Possible but UNLIKELY. Still possible.
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This nonsense continues................
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 02:10 AM
Tallyho with the errant illogic!
WRONG once again *sigh* "The Beta Pirates" script following the pliot episode would've been greenlighted as one of the double episodes, had it not cost too much money and time and effort to film.
Considering other unfilmed scripts were nearly filmed as well like "Two For Twilly" and "Showdown". To come out and say alot of the unused concepts of Battlestar Galactica were not to be used or weren't ever going to be resurrected is folly, and is quite a stupid thing to say actually?
Actually considering the realities of story telling, believability factors, drama required in the central core values of CBSG introducing space pirates is exactly what would kill the CBSG continuation and probably why the Beta Pirates never made the light of day.. If you want Buck Rogers, say so, KJ, but COUNT ME OUT oof that mistake. I know what a story of Exodus is-and how faith is the central dramatic driver. CBSG is no space cowboy shoot-them-up.
Originally Posted by Damocles
Blade Runner or Gattica applied to CBSG. Story, story, story, story! The SFX will take care of itself with Singer/Desanto in the saddle.
As always;
So basically you're lazy? And you've never had a thought in your head for your own and wanted to discuss it, is that what your telling us?
Singer and DeSanto have moved on to other projects, yeah DeSanto hanging on but both he and Singer are fans like us? Only difference is? That they are also professionals who work in the movie industry and probably remember the same outlined ideas they had for Galactica and would've done their own take on it.
Bio-organic Cylons was Singer's idea wasn't it? As was the Scarlet and Duet Viper's for Hatch's Galactica, less said about Larson's walking Vipers the better, but those were his idea and all.
Point is, what if Singer doesn't come back for the ride and Larson tells DeSanto i've got someone else in mind? Who would you put faith in then to do Galactica for the big screen and what unique concepts which aren't that of Singer/Desanto, Hatch or Larson can you come up with by lonesome with strong sci-fi/fantasy elements?
Don't bother answering! No offence but stick to Gin.."that other show?" o.k. TOS Galactica kinda demands an overactive imagination! Some of us get it is all, while others don't.
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Offence taken KJ, You don't know about what you write.
Read onward.
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 02:13 AM
My own work posted here. Excuse me that it deals with GINO folks, but it was what I wanted for that show to be if it was not going to be a steaming brown pile of RDM goo. It gives one possible idea of a successful continuation;
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How would you make GINO better?
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A different beginning.......starting from the mini-series;
1. When Kirk junked the PD he had to justify it to Starfleet Command with positive results for the Federation. Not so with Lameway or Psycho. Do you see the Kazan or Bajor better off or eager to join the Feds after those two bungle their contacts? Or do you think that what Kirk did to Ameliar and Vendicar when he knocked their collective heads together and stopped their computer driven low grade war was unjustified by him to higher authority?
2. Grounds for criticism, GINO.
a. I know the military(specifically the U.S. Army and the U.S. Navy.) You can get away with a lot of dramatic compression on a show,
-but nobody sends pilots to do MP duty.
-the Captain of a Carrier is not the landing signal officer.
-a convoy has a senior civilian captain who reports to the senior military officer as regards to the civilian ships in a convoy. He often OUTRANKS the convoy escort commander.
The civilian captain has his own mission orders to which the convoy escort commander is bound. Who is escorting whom? It is in matters tactical and military that the escort commander is FINAL authority and those are spelled out in the convoy mission orders.
-the president can tell the pilot of Air Farce One where to take the plane, but the pilot of Air Farce One is the final authority of how the plane is used and what happens aboard the plane. After the pilot screws up, he answers to higher authority(the chain of command, i.e. the civilian leadership and their appointed military officers) for his conduct.
3. Accountability and responsibility is something the Colonials if they are supposed to mirror Uncle are supposed to mimic to be credible.
-mutineers go out the airlock.
-seditionists go out the airlock.
-deserters go out the airlock.
-murderers go out the airlock.
-traitors go out the airlock.
Senior commanders cannot quash investigations into their own commands. That is a CIVILIAN call.
-pending impeachment by civilian authority(the Quorum), if President Fruitloop says "We're going to Kobol." then Adama points out why that would be a bad idea. If she insists, then he goes to the Colonial minister of war and complains. If the minister of war agrees with Adama, then they both go to Gaius(the Veep) and present their case. If Batty Baltar, like the coward he is, concurs; the three of them then troop to the Quorum. The Quorum finds by majority vote that President Schoolteacher is whacky and unfit. THEN the Colonial Presidential Security Detail collect her for a nice long stay in a padded Cloud Nine Presidential Suite. No Marines and no brig. Posse Comitatus.
4. Basic science;
-get your astronomy correct.
-get your ballistics correct.
-get your expected physical impact and explosion effects correct.
5. Military:
-even a six year old knows you don't bunch up to be mowed down-especially if you have been fired upon by Cylons from the top of a rise for at least three times in a row.(the idiot Crapprican Pyramid team resistance leader?)
-noncoms can shoot ineffectual lieutenants in the field to maintain mission objective and unit survival, but the noncom WILL go out the airlock after the mission. That is something written in and accounted for in the UCMJ.
-scouts? Nobody goes walking through unknown ground without them.
-even destroyers in our Navy have enough weapons on hand to outfit a squad of infantry. That means machine guns, rifles, grenade launchers, maybe rocket launchers or that great technological surprise that would shock Cylons and Colonials alike-a mortar!
-ships with missile self-defense would be assigned to close escort the Viper Coop don't you think?
I could go on and on.
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The writing for an entire season of episodes, where you could have a Colonial constitutional crisis handled by opposing competent political factions in the fleet in the middle of a war; instead of a mutiny by an old broken down incompetent battlestar bozo who sends in the Marines to arrest POTC; said mutiny all tied up by a Berman Trek(TM) reset button in five episodes; just in time to introduce another military psycho worse than the one who just successfully mutinied is what I see.
Imagine this outline for the Moore Ron's Battlestar GINO mini-series alone.
Intro story;
1. Cylons bomb the crap out of Capprica.(Pearl Harbor from "In Harms Way")
2. Adama is out with the Galactica(and its escorts) on fleet maneuvers.(IBID)
3. The moron, Adar, as he dies, sends final radioed instructions to Undersecretary of Education Schoolteacher who happens to be on a fly and greet to the fleet as Delphi goes FWEEEEEET a la Moscow in "Failsafe"
4. Adama with now legitimated President Schoolteacher sends out a Colonial RALLY signal to all the ships at sea(er space) and gathers the ragtag fleet.
5. We develop pathos as the Cylons snuff non-FTL Colonials(we include shots of Colonial light naval units dying, fighting to cover freighters trying to get away from the Cylons in FTL jumps.)
Story(Delphi on Capprica)
1. We follow Batty Baltar and his paramour Shelley Godfrey as they obliviously romp about in their immorality.
2. In the famous baby killing scene, [this is post-attack as Delphi goes boom in the background] Shelley finds the living baby among the dead on the outskirts of the smashed flat Delphi and she looks at all the dead adults. She sees the baby crying alone and doomed to a death by starvation radiation poisoning or worse. She shows compassion for it. Then she kills the baby.
3. Now we follow Shelley around as she hunts for Gaius. She is obviously irradiated to the point where we know she's a goner. She finds Gaius in the suburbs and gets him away from the follow up KABOOM in the Cylon second strike. She may have one last romp[off camera] with Batty Baltar(where she infects Gaius with a Cylon nanite infusion[a carry-around Six persona] to act as Gaius' Cylon conscience) that we will see pestering Batty throughout the series) and get him to the last Raptor off Capprica. She dies in Batty Baltar's view as the Raptor lifts off. He owes his life to her and to the Brickthick ESO who just gave up his ride back to the fleet. Of course Boomer pilots the Raptor. Include in this story the sabotage of the Colonial DRADIS network that Shelley carries out under Gaius' nose. Don't let Gaius know this. It will be something that he discovers in his future as the Six in his head corrupts a weak man to the Cylon point of view.
Are we getting there yet?
Break
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 02:17 AM
Story treatment continues;
Raptor story
1. Boomer and Crashdown are headed to Capprica on a Galactica COD mission to pick up a few parts. The fleet-exercise is close enough for Galactica to resupply direct from the home world for a change. Maybe Doc Cottle needs some medicinal brandy?
2. Boomer for some bizarre reason chooses to run the fuel-wasting and energy-intensive Raptor DRADIS system. This is not normal Colonial naval peacetime practice because of equipment wear and tear and why bother when the deep space warning DRADIS network is there?
3. Oh crap. Cylon inbounds(missiles, lots of them, or these could be asteroids, but be imaginative! Capprica's a planet. It isn't going anywhere.)
4. Off goes the warning. Galactica is close enough to the radio warning to hear, but the rest of the fleet is out of range(relativity).
5. Boomer and Crashdown witness the Cappicran sendoff the Cylons arrange from space. POV here gives an establishment for just how thorough and competent the Cyloons are. Military professionals will observe this and show the audience how to judge the Cylons.
6. Boomer with Crashdown's reluctant objections will suddenly decide to see if there are some survivors to rescue on Capprica?
7. Co-incidence, Boomer's Raptor lands right where Shelley has been dragging Gaius to safety. Whether Shelley talks Boomer into taking Gaius on board or whether Crashdown takes it upon himself as Boomer sorts out the mob of refugees by the cold light of who is needed for Colonial survival and who is not is a quibble. But it should be emphasized that somehow the Cylon, Shelley, knew that Boomer's Raptor would be there.
On board the Viper Coop
Chain of command(principle characters)
Admiral Adama
Captain of the Galactica Kelly
Engineering?(Lieutenant(SG) Felix the Cat Gaeta?)
Flight Operations?(George Birch?)
CAG Adama's son Apollo)
Senior Pilot or deputy CAG(Starbuck)
Senior Raptor pilot or Raptor squadron commander(Boomer)
Assorted Viper Pilots
Kat
Hotdog
Chuckles
CM/CCM officer(Karlo "Brickthick" Agathon)
CM/CCM officer "Crashdown"
Chief of the Admirals staff(Colonel of Marines) Tigh
Chief Petty Officer (Galen )
The Monkey wrench gang,
Socinus
Sessex
Fixer
and of course Squeaky Cally
And there are the civilians.
President Laura Roslin
Her chief of staff Billy Keikaya
Elosha; the Miss Cleo
Tom Zarek; the political opposition.
and the losers of the Quorum
Split them into "lets hunt for Earth" and "lets make peace with the Cylons at any price" factions for the political story.
Laura heads the Earth-hunters while Zarek is in the middle trying to make up his mind, and I have no name for the leader for the Cindy Sheehan colonials but Cindy Sheehan will do.
1. Adama and the Galactica task group should be very busy making a circuit of the Cappicran system picking up whatever they can from the wrecked Colonial deep space infrastructure and collecting the ragtag fleet.
2. Against the background of the surviving Colonial Navy fighting and dying to ensure the escape of as many Colonial civilian spacecraft from the Cylon attack we should see this.
3. They, the Galactica should be beating the scattered Cylons savagely while they do this. Make it clear that they can do this because the Cylon naval forces are spread out according to a rigid pre-conceived attack plan and that the problems in communications(radio/relativity) and the lack of Cylon ability to improvise ensures the Galactica task group meets them at near equal odds when these fights occur.
4. But there are too many damned TOASTERS and it is Adama, not President Schoolteacher(who wants to fight) that decides it is time at last to run.
5. You can have the father/son conflict here. Have Apollo argue his father into the necessity(on valid military grounds) for running as the battle for Cappica is lost. That may be how Apollo earns his CAG slot after the no-name CAG we hired to play the character lead for the Viper cover that permits the heroic successful raid on the supply dump at Ragnor Base dies in a dogfight.
You can plug your Starbuck/Tigh) conflict in at those battle conferences and operations planning sessions when the two professionals scrap over planning and personal differences in judgment. If you want to undercurrent Tigh's concern for his wife problem and Starbuck's fear of responsibility as disrespect for authority, do it here in an understated way. People know the history or they will pick it up through hints in the way the professional disagreements crop out and manifest itself. Example; Tigh is a cautious by the book mini-max planner. Starbuck is a mainchance strategist. Personality clash at that level.
While you do all of this; show a few other elements of the Colonial Navy(Pegasus and her escorts?) a few destroyers(gunships?) escaping with little clumps of ships independently here and there. Remember not all of the Colonials are going to hear Adama's rally signal due to the hours it takes for light to cross space.
This allows for future meetups and conflicts down the road.(Living Legend V3.0)
That above gets you through the mini-series. Now can you write a great set-up script for a series out of that?
You betcha! Even on a SKIFFY budget.
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Its called a treatment KJ. Put up.
As for classic Galactica KJ?
READ AND LEARN:
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12689
That is a play about the Pegasus and Sheba. It's story driven. And it is what I MEAN when I write you cannot have a good drama without a good story.
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Now to BST and the rest of this community, my apologies for my anger.
To KJ. I hope you understand that I dealt with you justly and fairly in this reply. You so badly misjudged the person with whom you are insultingly corresponding. I hope you have a better gauge of the truth and now understand me that when I write something, I know about what I write._________________________
To Dawg
And the Von Daniken theories were a large basis for the backstory of BSG as well. The what-if factor - what if there were brothers of man who were even now fighting to survive, somewhere across the heavens.
It doesn't matter if those theories were discredited. The story was about the survivors of the 12 Colonies in search of the 13th - Earth. Take that away and you take away something core to what makes Battlestar Galactica the story it is.
The Van Daniken theories were so much bunk in the day when I first saw CBSG(1978){Yes I am that OLD} that I instantly rejected the nonsenjse when that criminal and fraud first floated his con-game in 1973.
I always understood for myself that "the brothers of man" settled Kobol from a precursor Tellusian race; thus I justified the Egyptian motifs of the Colonials by assuming for my own suspension of disbelief that the Colonials were the spaceseed of the fallen Atlantean civilization of EARTH. That the Thirteenth Tribe never left this world, that the other twelve tribes were attempting to find Manhomeqhen they set forth after the Cylon attack.
I also always took to heart the Biblical Exodus nature of the Twelve Colonies and that Earth was their promised home as well as being their precursor origin point. This is not the Van Daniken criminal's viewpoint to be sure; I preferring a Robert Howard/Linwood Carter Lemurian viewpoint of the origin of the Colonials.
That they came from Lemuria was a hypothesis that I could accept for suspension of disbelief. It allowed me to accept the Egyptian motifs that the Colonials used in CBSG without having to believe in the chariots of the gods criminal's incompetent ravings.
For you see, it is just barely possible{1 chance in 10,000,000,000} that the Lemuria theory is correct. None at all for Daniken though.
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And for those of you who complain I haven't provided enough background on what I would like to see in a continuation..........
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12593
How to build a better Centurion.
Showing once again, I am a very hard science fiction kind of guy.
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12033
How to travel faster than light.
If you want the Viper thread?
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061
How Vipers could shoot Cylon Raiders.
That should establish what I want in the continuation as far as the effects and the science in the fiction.
Now then, with the technical details out of the way, why did I choose movies such as Gattaca and Blade Runner to serve as examples for story telling?
Simple. Man against ????? Man for ??????? Man achieves ??????
Writing 101. That was what those two movies delivered in spades.
There. My anger is gone.
As always;
KJ
August 3rd, 2006, 08:29 AM
Quite easily to ascertain; you did not read what I wrote?
Yet we're posting to each other? Yes your logic (if you can call it that) is believable (not!).
You do not have to list them them for me to know about which you wrote, KJ. Noit everything has to be laboriously spelled out. D.
So what are you psychic?! Name one of my favorites superhero flicks that has come out since 2000 if you don't need me to point out which one it is then?!
First of all I did not imagine that you would have such a lack of imagination that you could not visualize the imagery of Centurions built as spiderbots or floating ballbots. Secondly to me the movie is not about the action sequences. It is about the story and the people in it. If you want an action sequence event; go to North Hollywood and wait for real life to come calling. Be prepared to duck though. Those bullets are real.
Yeah i'm asking for exaggerated sci-fi fantasy elements in a possible Galactica continuation so i'll journey to North Hollywood to duck bullets. WTF? :rotf:
Yeah, shove you out there and all and you'll be ducking too, or are you really stupid enough to stand still and take it as you are on my thread? Hmmmm?
Look mate, you aren't qualified to assess how I analyze since you missed so much of what you wrote and a great deal of what I wrote by letting your emotion get in the way of your cognition.
:rotf: :LOL:
Please............ I haven't posted several times in a row filled with spelling mistakes (Noit everything has to be laboriously spelled out.)? huh come again. Whats the matter, unable to control yourself calm down.
Do some real fighting hand to hand and get back to me, KJ.
Oh i have, not that you would know of bub. Getting macho are we? heh whatever pal, i've got better thing to do in life than listen and read a guy brag about his toughness and playing guessing games with someone he doesn't know on the internet?
No. I mean like when you take a rifle butt and smash the head of a man in so hard that it splits like a pumpkin right where the four bony plates that form the top of his skull come together, KJ.
Er.....thought this was supposed to be about Battlestar Galactica? And that sh*t you're on about is enough to get you thrown in jail, what the hell are you on about anyways? Killing a man WTF for, thats got nothing to do with fighting.
speaking of which you also said this nonsense....
Living it was bad enough. I don't need to see the ignorant try to fantasize it on screen.
What you've been in the UFC? and Pancreas? Yeah right, when you post up the pictures i'll believe you until then you full of it? And even if you were, who cares, this is about Galactica, hard to believe anybody from that would be posting up on here talking about BG?
Anyways moving on analyzing more of what else ( :rolleyes: ) this guy has to say....
May I point out what he suggested as guidance?
The Lord Of The Rings{excellent- I like Tolkien}
The Matrix and its sequels{garbage}
Star Wars prequels{utter garbage} The Fifth Element{mediocre}
Brotherhood Of The Wolf{Bad story}
The Descent{boring}
Kill Bill{utterly stupid},
The Ring (remake, the original was better)
Casshern{steaming pile}
Dark City{mediocrity}
Terminator 3{rehashed cliches}
Silent Hil{Utter waste of time}l
Superheroes movies.{with the exception of Spiderman, pretty much a waste of money and time.}
Once again Damocles own opinion which doesn't reflect that of others and certainly not that of my own example here which i merely layed out as recent films which all have interesting action sequences.
I understood that quite clearly.
No no you haven't you're clearly misguilded is what you are, as such can be judged from your bahavior on here towards me for some unknown reason?
My own work posted here. Excuse me that it deals with GINO folks, but it was what I wanted for that show to be if it was not going to be a steaming brown pile of RDM goo. It gives one possible idea of a successful continuation;
Sorry but its laughable and 'mack', and i'm being totally serious! Thats my honest reaction here.
Its called a treatment KJ. Put up.
Been there done that, go look up my BG continuation treatements on skiffy's old web pages from 2002. And talk to Raymar3rd or Michael Faries if you can? I discussed way more treatments ideas than you've offer up here junior???
heh :...:
And on the Babylon 5 angle...
You really have stepped in the mess on that one, KJ;
Here let me help you some more;
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=236
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157
http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9
You are challenged. Put up!
And he put up a bunch of useless links for me to discover. Wow, see thing is, thats crap. Cos i'd be better off arguing with a sane individual who knew that knowing a series is through watching it, not putting up fancy links to stuff he's found online or places he goes.
I know of Babylon 5 cos i WATCH THE SERIES, not links i found online bub. :rolleyes: (Jesus whats your problem!)
I'd say get back to me when you've prepared a proper arguement. But i don't want to offer you tons of 'homework' to corilate together!
If thats a challenge i'm laughing right now! Cos all i see are links and not any questions based on the series itself to test your knowledge.
Oh and i recorded the series and own the DVD's so please give your big mouth a rest and lie down, you couldn't hope to challenge me on B5 and until you can respond to my post without acting like a madman, you haven't earned the right, for me to rely to anything you have to say in return on the issue.
If you have nothing more to say or ruin here then butt out, this thread was for people to discuss not to badger others with ignorance. And Dawg and BST have clearly told you off for your inane actions already.
Now to BST and the rest of this community, my apologies for my anger.
To KJ. I hope you understand that I dealt with you justly and fairly in this reply. You so badly misjudged the person with whom you are insultingly corresponding. I hope you have a better gauge of the truth and now understand me that when I write something, I know about what I write.
Behave yourself, you come out with that tripe and expect to be taken seriously? get out of here, and for one, i Know exactly who i'm corresponding to. A person who jumped in and tried to ruin a decent thread i started for others to gauge and get their replies to a topic i came out with.
It is you who so badly misjudges to whom he is speaking with pal believe me i'm deadly serious on that issue! And i've dealt with you in equal measure Damocles accordingly, if you don't like it tough? Since you've admited to being angry, then you've already failed and owned up to being foolish in your attempts to sound all knowing on here. Guess your emotions got in the way of your cognition huh?
Who the hell understands why you went off half cocked after my first post here? beats the sh*t outta me and others here i presume. And typing out the word "apologies" doesn't make you sorry either, thats something best left for us to decide.
My suggestion to you is, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP. In the future!
KJ
Dawg
August 3rd, 2006, 12:03 PM
Enough, children.
I am
Dawg
:warrior:
Damocles
August 3rd, 2006, 12:15 PM
Point well understood, Dawg. Like 3DMaster I've seen to have found another one.
As for you, KJ? I am unimpressed and underwhelmed by your alleged putups.
Do better if you can with others.
I waste no more time with you.
ENDIT.
BST
August 3rd, 2006, 04:45 PM
I've decided to CLOSE this particular thread and hopefully the histrionics that went along with it......
....however, the original premise for the thread is worthy of discussion and I've split it off to another thread.....
http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13216
So............ let's try this again.
BST
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