Joining you & Banning Neo-Galactica from my sites!

[Tigerclaw]

I just wanted to let you know that after reading your comments on this issue, and after reading Ronald D. Moore's B.S. response, I have decided to follow your lead and BAN neo-Galactica from my site's (http://www.tecr.com/tigerclaw/) message board.

I am also working to get this done over at B5Tech.com, which hosts the b.board for my Galactica Technology (http://www.tecr.com/galactica/) page.

Keep up the good fight! :salute:

[BST]

Welcome to Colonial Fleets, Tigerclaw.

I just visited your site....very nice. I look forward to visiting it again soon. Also, the tech site is one that I'd never seen before.....hmmm, think I've got another place to check out.

:D

Oh, forgive my manners....what's a welcome without one of these


:beer:

[Sept17th]

Did you run the old News Flash Galactica site?

[larocque6689]

I am closing all the TNS forums at my site.

Wait... I don't have ANY forums at my site ;-)

[Sept17th]

No you don't? Another subject, who is the old dude with the Cylon suit, how long ago did he buy it?

[gmd3d]

I just wanted to let you know that after reading your comments on this issue, and after reading Ronald D. Moore's B.S. response, I have decided to follow your lead and BAN neo-Galactica from my site's (http://www.tecr.com/tigerclaw/) message board.

I am also working to get this done over at B5Tech.com, which hosts the b.board for my Galactica Technology (http://www.tecr.com/galactica/) page.

Keep up the good fight! :salute:

Tigerclaw .. I have always enjoyed your Technology page .. great to have you here..
:salute: :salute:

[bsg1fan1975]

From the first day that I established Battlestar Caprica, I have never allowed discussion of TNS. Nor will I ever. We have other scifi shows there and so if you want to check it out, here is the link http://viperqueen.proboards18.com


We have an rpg that is running as well. Many canon characters are still available.:salute:

[Titon]

Thanks for the support Tigerclaw, it's nice to know that were not alone in our fight.

Jon, if i remember right yes he did run the News FLash Galactica site. If i recall he also was an avid modelor back then.

Hmmm?

:D

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I considered striking GINO from AllGalactica.com but thought that wasn't viable given the mission of the site. I just couldn't justify saying "everything Galactica except for that thing Ron Moore did". It won't recieve any better consideration than Galactica 1980 or Larson's IMAX idea. I will spend some good efforts on the guys who created the Mark II Viper model and that sort of thing so the hardware will be flaunted. Otherwise, the site will have the GINO elements that are mandatory and little more.

On a more personal note, I erased the GINO episodes from my DVR. I'm not sure why I had the episodes saved anyway since I had no intention of watching them again. I've also withdrawn support for the GINO fanfilm efforts I was engaged in. The folks who were working these are great people and they honestly didn't ask me to do very much but I can't conciously support anything GINO related anymore (beyond the AllGalactica.com mandate -- and then only on that site as required). I've also dropped plans to bring some GINO-related content to IFB. I had a couple of things lined up for future broadcasts that I thought would likely interest GINO fans, partly to balance the slamming I gave the show in illustating its anti-Americanism/anti-military aspects but I think GINO can be altogether ignored on Bill's show without any harm being done. If Bill wants to do these things, he can do them without my efforts helping them along.

I would like to thank Jim (KR) for offerring to help with some of that. I appreciate your support on that even though it won't likely come to pass now.

For those who were on the waiting list for me to do some GINO graphics to help your sites and personal projects, sorry, but it won't happen. If you really need my work, contact Michael Hinman or Robert Falconer. They're both skilled at stealing my stuff.

If anyone else would like my help in promoting or otherwise helping in anything GINO-related the answer is "No", no matter how nicely you ask or how great you guys are personally ... and yes, I know some of you really are super people.

I'm another of those who has hit the point where I say "Enough" regardless of any damage control letters Ron might want to send to try to spare his image or idiots who "bravely" slam good people from behind their keyboard and sound an aweful lot like Ted.


Sandy

[martok2112]

My Yahoo group used to have discussions on the new show, but after some of the bile spewed by many of the TOS fans there (especially towards Richard Hatch), I banned discussion in any form of TNS long ago. The membership was more focused on trashing the new show, than on discussing the TOS (and other sci-fi) fanfics that were posted there by many talented people. I damn near shut the group down because of their personal attacks against people they don't even know.

My site was meant as a celebration of TOS, and in my definition, celebration of one thing does not mean trashing of another.

I hope it will be the same way here. If TNS discussion is truly forbidden, then that includes both praise, and trashing of the new show (and everything in between). That is all I will say on that.

Respectfully,
Martok2112 :salute:

[Zynn]

Heya...

I'm new here...

Would someone be kind enough to explain to me why the new BSG is being boycotted/banned here as well as other sites?

I read the Ron Moore letter, but it sounded like a response to the bannings, not the reason for them...

[jewels]

Zynn, the thread is here: http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11888 It's about the show's content, not about it's fans.

Welcome to fleets.

Jewels

[Zynn]

Wow ok...

All I can say is, I'm in my 30s... I grew up on TOS as a kid...

I grew up on Star Wars as well...

I've noticed that each incarnation of the Star Wars universe, is still targeted toward the child I once was... This irritates me... Something I love didn't grow up with me...

The BSG new series did... It isn't target toward the child I once was... and it IS realistic...

Is everyone blind to the way humans in this day and age really are?

We have real beheadings on the internet...
We have people strapping bombs to themselves and running into crowds...
During the Hurricane Katrina ordeal, we had looters killing other looters for their loot... People looting bodies of the dead laying in the streets... People trampling and killing other people in order to save themselves...

So many other evils going on in the world, which only get amplified during times of crisis and devastation... During these times, people are out for themselves... they are animals...

So why isn't it realistic that people behave the same way or worse when their entire world gets destroyed and they are trapped, stir-crazy and constantly being hunted down for termination? I have yet to see anything in TNS that I wouldn't think that people are capable of here and now...

As for the military, I spent a decade in the U.S. Army, in a combat arms unit, and have seen some awful things... There is no sugar-coating to make things go down easier... There is no hard candy shell to protect you... Some people just change during these situations and end up doing awful things...

So while some of you would rather avoid or denounce realism by hiding in the fru-fru cosmic joyride that TOS gives to you, I'd rather see truth depicted as well... the way humans *really* are... Of course TOS was more familiy friendly, the FCC/broadcasting laws were very different back then as were the target audiences...

TOS and TNS are works of art and expression...

TOS being more traditional while TNS being more avante-garde in their direction...
To ban, boycott, denounce, etc TNS is censorship and repression...

This is a huge sci-fi website... not unlike a huge art gallery...
You banish an avante-garde work in favor of the traditional old way...

So did Hitler...

Does TNS really have to be considered "Entartete Kunst"?

If the problem is that grown adults are actually being so juvenile as to fight/argue/flame each other over the differences of TV shows in the threads because they have no other outlets for frustration in their dull and pathetic lives, then just get rid of them... Hell, bring the section back and I will mod it... I'm admin on a couple boards now, I'm sure I can mod on yet another one...

The people who don't like TNS don't have to go into the section... I'm sure that people who don't like Stargate SG1 don't go into that section... Seems simple to me... Just like changing the channel when there is an infomercial on you don't want to see...

I like both shows, so I would fight just as hard to keep either one...



Just my two cents...

[jewels]

Thanks for your comments, Zynn. Discussion of the merits or lack of in TNS is over here. Some of our members are Jewish and any references to the actions of a single, small website on the internet to what their people and much of Europe sufferered under Hitler is at worst utterly out of proportion to that monster's crimes and at best an insult. You have internet access, you have the ability to use any number of free forum providers to build your own forum.

The people here are passionate about the original Galactica. Those who also enjoy TNS are finding new places (and there are MANY) to discuss that show at. You're fellow TNS fans assembled a list which can be found in the Forum Feedback section. Enjoy exploring them.

Any other discussion of TNS will be deleted from this thread.

Jewels

[gmd3d]

Lucky I did not post in time.. I spent ages work on a cool answer

[jewels]

Sorry Taranis! ;)

As you know, the art section can still have both TOS or TNS (or art from any other franchise as well: ST, SW, SG, etc.). It's the discussion of the series that's gone.

[gmd3d]

ahhhhhh!!! Ok as long as I post my Pics I a happy camper ..

[jewels]

Don wants the site to be more art focused again, so post away!

You do good work and this is a good venue for getting feedback on your work without, say, getting ripped up on renderosity. :blink: ;)

[gmd3d]

Cool :)

[Titon]

Zynn, one thing i'd like to add. Your talent as an artist is really exceptional. That's where ultimately i want this site to focus on, art. We haven't banned anything regarding art. You might say to yourself then why ban the new Galactica? Well some of us still want that family show and there's really nothing out of this world about it. You said you grew up with BG. Well so did i and a ton of others as well that feel BG has not come back with it's core elements in tact. BG had a certain flare to it, a certain epic feeling that i want as a scifi fan to feel again.

To be quite honest with you i find scifi not scifi anymore. Real world events should be left to the nightly news. Constantly pushing real world events into entertainment has not only become consistent in everything but to me and many others it has also become down right boring. The new Galactica is drama with suit and ties, hummers and sub machine guns. It's like watching the nightly news with the events depicted in Iraq. Where is the epic feel, where is the fantasy of being swept away to another universe. As much as some have expressed disdaine over what Lucas did with Star Wars, i feel that if i need to forget the real world for a small amount of time i can watch Star Wars or TOS Galactica and be swept away from all my real life troubles. For just a small amount of time it's a different world.

I guess in the long run it's about what *we* here want to see happen. TOS Galactica is a vastly under developed product. Singer and DeSanto were on the cusp of bringing Galactica back with a bang. There was updated material and more than likely there would have been things we would have not liked as well but the core element would have been intact. Galactica right now in my eyes and other's is the next great franchise. At it's present pace the new series is only drawing a maximum of 2 million viewers. TOS Galactica drew 70 million during it's run. A vastly different product, a vastly different time.

I hope that you can understand our thoughts on this but if you can't i totally understand. Your artwork is superb and i'd like to see more of it.

Don

[Zynn]

Whoa... Don't get me wrong...

I wasn't attempting to start a fight...

Just speaking what's on my mind...

Also, I made no mention of what that he did to Jews... I only referred to what he did to artistic expressions... He did that before he lashed out at the Jewish people... so it's not a Holocaust discussion...

Your Quote: "Some of our members are Jewish and any references to the actions of a single, small website on the internet to what their people and much of Europe sufferered under Hitler is at worst utterly out of proportion to that monster's crimes and at best an insult."

Actually, you using all of his crimes as a whole to snap at me with is WAY out of proportion to the one non-lethal act that I pointed out as an example... even more so since you are using it as an implication that I am in any way attempting a deliberate insult upon this site or the people who run it...

If I am guilty of anything it is of thinking I could speak my mind in a civil manner without having a mod flex at me and insinuate that I am spewing an insult.


I love Sci-fi, I stumbled upon this site, I like it, so just let me have my sci-fi fun without the politics...




BTW, I am European as well... I moved to the US with my mother when I was young... So yeah, my family tree was affected during WWII as well...


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hmmm apparently I didn't know that someone else posted while I was typing this... :)

[gmd3d]

Here 'here .. always wanted to say that.. :) I guess I am easly pleased :)
Anyho got anymore rendering coming this way any time soon.

[jewels]

Whoa... Don't get me wrong...

I wasn't attempting to start a fight...

Just speaking what's on my mind...

Also, I made no mention of what that he did to Jews... I only referred to what he did to artistic expressions... He did that before he lashed out at the Jewish people... so it's not a Holocaust discussion...

Your Quote: "Some of our members are Jewish and any references to the actions of a single, small website on the internet to what their people and much of Europe sufferered under Hitler is at worst utterly out of proportion to that monster's crimes and at best an insult."

Actually, you using all of his crimes as a whole to snap at me with is WAY out of proportion to the one non-lethal act that I pointed out as an example... even more so since you are using it as an implication that I am in any way attempting a deliberate insult upon this site or the people who run it...

If I am guilty of anything it is of thinking I could speak my mind in a civil manner without having a mod flex at me and insinuate that I am spewing an insult.


I love Sci-fi, I stumbled upon this site, I like it, so just let me have my sci-fi fun without the politics...




BTW, I am European as well... I moved to the US with my mother when I was young... So yeah, my family tree was affected during WWII as well...


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hmmm apparently I didn't know that someone else posted while I was typing this... :)
Zynn, sorry if I was reactive. I had a friend I no longer get to chat with pushed over the edge by a troll clone a few years ago that started making comparisons of TOS fans to Hitler a few years back. Anytime I see someone using that reference I think of the personal pain it caused him.

This is still a good place for artwork of any scifi show.

Jewels

[Tabitha]

Well... that was certainly a noise... but like a warm breeze, its past.. lets crank the music a bit, sip a little cylon juice and get back to the regularly schedules chaos... :P

tabbi

[gmd3d]

I have a Guinness and a new render by Zynn..

[larocque6689]

Jewels

According to Dawg, there was a campaign by a handful of "GINO" supporters to convert this board (and all BSG boards) into a "GINO" Galactica board. With that assessment, I think it's fair to say the decision wasn't exclusively driven by the show's content.

( Note - I was unaware there was any campaign by these supporters. There were definite issues with the forum, but I never saw this as one of them. )

[Dawg]

If I recall correctly, John, that comment came last week after the announcement of the decision to close down the GINO discussion forum. And, I was referring to those few individuals (or their clones) who continually berated us (CF) for allowing a real discussion of the show rather than falling in with the party line and worshipping the Moore creation as the greatest television ever.

They waged a losing campaign.

The decision to close the forums was made based on the show content. The fact there were those particular - *ahem* - people throwing fuel on the fire certainly didn't help, but they weren't the major issue.

Just to be clear about that.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[peter noble]

I think you've made it perfectly clear my friend!

Best,

Peter

[Tabitha]

Those are all points! And I am glad people asked questions. I demand answers! I feel that both sides have their own views. Further, I feel that there are conflicting things happenning at times in places that make it hard to do what would normally be done in those places at those times. Finally I would like to thank you all for the things you have done, and to show my appreciation for the things undone. Thank you all, and have a day.

tabbi

[Titon]

I have a Guinness and a new render by Zynn..

*shudder on the Guinness*

:D

[Zynn]

ok... what the heck is "GINO"? I don't think I am familiar with that term...

[BST]

ok... what the heck is "GINO"? I don't think I am familiar with that term...


Galactica, In Name Only

[martok2112]

Galactica, In Name Only

Although there have been other words to fill in the acronym, Galactica In Name Only was the first.

Of course, I prefer sauage and cheese on my GINO(s) subs. :D

Martok2112 (who misses Gino's subs.....BADLY)

[Dawg]

We had a restaurant in our neighborhood - a pizza place - called Gino's. They made a hot pastrami sandwich that was to die for.

It's a Chinese place now....

:(

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Tabitha]

GINO... it means Gee... I Need O-Zone... which is a good thing for that to stand for, since if it stood for Gosh I Dont Need O-Zone, that would just be wacked. So there you are...

tabbi

[gmd3d]

*shudder on the Guinness*

:D

ah go on , You know you love it...... its good for you :D :D :LOL:

[martok2112]

Actually, I tried Guiness once meself. Can't say I'm a fan of it....or anything that tastes like beer. (not to mention, I am allergic to such stuff) :barf:

[gmd3d]

:( Your allergic to beer?! ouch.. I have tried Guinness in Spain and I find there is a big differance in the taste is great, But i am biased, Its the only drink I have in a pub here.. do you like wine :)

[martok2112]

:( Your allergic to beer?! ouch.. I have tried Guinness in Spain and I find there is a big differance in the taste is great, But i am biased, Its the only drink I have in a pub here.. do you like wine :)

Not really a wine drinker either.

ANd I seem to be slowly weaning myself off of other drinks.

Tequila. (After that one night with a full bottle of Monte Alban...I guess you can call it Full Monte..LOL....and the worm...I've pretty much written off Tequila.)

Vodka. (Same thing)

Jaegermeister. Jagerbombs, baby. Jaegerbombs. (That's Jaegermeister and Red Bull for the uninitiated.)

Apple Pucker. Almost always safe.

[bsg1fan1975]

I prefer peach schnapps or beer;)

[Titon]

Allergic to beer!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH THE HORROR!

ahem

:D

[bsg1fan1975]

Double Horror!

[martok2112]

My first tie-on was peach schnapps poured into Zima.

What a day that was! First time I was ever drunk.


(First time I'd hurled in 15 years too :D )

[bsg1fan1975]

never mix schnapps with beer. a dear friend of mine found that out on her 21st birthday.

[martok2112]

never mix schnapps with beer. a dear friend of mine found that out on her 21st birthday.

If she didn't remember her 21st birthday...she musta hadda heluva birthday. :D

[bsg1fan1975]

oh she did! We found her worship the porcelain god the next morning for about a good half hour!

[Tabitha]

Cant wait for mine...

tabbi

[bsg1fan1975]

mine passed me already. I played it smart and had special dinner with my family!

[Tigerclaw]

Wow, I've got a lot to respond to.

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back, but classes have been killer.

Welcome to Colonial Fleets, Tigerclaw.
Thanks. Good to be aboard.

Did you run the old News Flash Galactica site?
Yes Sept17th, yes I did. Nice to know people sill remember the ol' NFG. A friend and I ran the site together, he ran it for a while by himself and then I got the site back. Spam pretty much killed that b.board and I moved the site when I changed it into a pure technology page.

Tigerclaw .. I have always enjoyed your Technology page .. great to have you here..
Thank-you Taranis. I am glad. :)

Thanks for the support Tigerclaw, it's nice to know that were not alone in our fight.
Jon, if i remember right yes he did run the News FLash Galactica site. If i recall he also was an avid modelor back then.
In truth, I haven't really modeled since my last B5 model of the Asimov Luxury Liner. Someplace I had a version of Galactica I had been working on but ... some far superior modeler beat me to it. :salute:

Because the B5Tech constitution gives normal users a LOT of control over those forums, so as to prevent Mods, Admins, and the forum owner from abusing their power over the average user, it does not look like GINO will be leaving that area any time soon. :(

So, what I am going to do is simply move the Galactica Tech-Manual debates for TOS over to the Tigerclaw b.board where I have complete control.

[Stevew]

Hey TG good to see you have come out of the shadows. Have you finished writing your crossovers? Good to see oyu and glad you came here
Steve :salute:

[Tabitha]

I think it would be sweet to have the TOS stuff here. Don and the crew are great and we have a really lively chat going on about the specs and stuff already, how about it TC? We would love more to see and talk about here...

tabbi

[leeadama_cylon]

I just spent a chunk of time composing a message in reply, then my internet exploder failed me. Here's a shorter version of it:

I disagree with your decision. However, I will not bare my bottom at you all and start trashing everything you are loyal to. Instead, I implore you to listen to the other side. A discussion on the decision of CF has cultivated at my humble site. (Including analysis by a rape survivor). If you are truly the moral high-ground, you will listen to what we so-called GINO defendants have to say. Ban me from Fleets if you desire, sir and madam moderators, you have closed off the only section where I belonged. I do not ask you to re-open the TNS forum, you made it very clear that would not happen. I only ask you to consider what you have left behind. Here is the discussion, (http://leeadamaisacylon.blogspot.com/2005/09/gritty-reality-or-just-disgusting.html) read it if you wish. :Nsalute:

[Tabitha]

We sorta already covered that ground till it was trampled...
Im all for moving on, but do come chat with us, we would love to hear from you about the awesome origional BSG and the hope, dreams, and inspiration that it gave its viewers

tabbi

[leeadama_cylon]

Im all for moving on, but do come chat with us, we would love to hear from you about the awesome origional BSG and the hope, dreams, and inspiration that it gave its viewers

I think you missed part of my point: I am too young to have seen TOS when it was around. I am not a TOS fan. I don't have a problem with TOS fans, but i will not be returning because I know nothing about what kind of hopes and dreams it may have given anyone. :Nsalute:

I also have no intentions of discussing the TOS-TNS series here, as I said.

[Stevew]

I happen to agree with Titon, Warrior, BST, Dawg, Fragmentary, Gemini1999,Jewels, Martok2112" as I understant it. This site was for BSG not for some BSG ripoff. I tried very hard to watch the new one and give it a chance but I was unwatchable except for the FX. If someone wants a site just for the original, they have the right to do that, period and I will support it.
Steve
My 2 cents

[BST]

I just spent a chunk of time composing a message in reply, then my internet exploder failed me. Here's a shorter version of it:

I disagree with your decision. However, I will not bare my bottom at you all and start trashing everything you are loyal to. Instead, I implore you to listen to the other side. A discussion on the decision of CF has cultivated at my humble site. (Including analysis by a rape survivor). If you are truly the moral high-ground, you will listen to what we so-called GINO defendants have to say. Ban me from Fleets if you desire, sir and madam moderators, you have closed off the only section where I belonged. I do not ask you to re-open the TNS forum, you made it very clear that would not happen. I only ask you to consider what you have left behind. Here is the discussion, (http://leeadamaisacylon.blogspot.com/2005/09/gritty-reality-or-just-disgusting.html) read it if you wish. :Nsalute:


Well, leeadama,

I read the replies over at your site. Most thoughtful. From the vitriol of their remarks, one would think that we were stealing their first-born.


For the love of God, there are OTHER SITES to discuss the new show! We simply do not agree, AT ALL, which much of Mr. Moore's story-telling technique. We're sick and tired of hearing how closely this show portrays REAL LIFE. If that's the case then, let Mr. Moore write some stories that show the "good in people" instead of concentrating on these so-called "personal issues".

As far as I'm concerned, each and every "issue" that these characters have goes right out the window, with the destruction of their homeworlds. Anything bothersome to them, with which to have an "issue", pales horribly in comparison to the destruction of 12 planets....wouldn't you say?



you have closed off the only section where I belonged



Then, you never really tried to truly understand us. One could say that you were being as 'closed-minded' for not doing that as we supposedly are, for closing down the TNS forum.


BST

btw, having an opinion is not a bannable offense.

:)

[Stevew]

Well put BST. The owners of this site have the right to do as they wish. I don't even like the commercials of the new show, it is a shame it has to drag the name in the mud.
S :thumbsup:

[Eric Paddon]

Instead, I implore you to listen to the other side. A discussion on the decision of CF has cultivated at my humble site. (Including analysis by a rape survivor). If you are truly the moral high-ground, you will listen to what we so-called GINO defendants have to say. Ban me from Fleets if you desire, sir and madam moderators, you have closed off the only section where I belonged. I do not ask you to re-open the TNS forum, you made it very clear that would not happen. I only ask you to consider what you have left behind. Here is the discussion, (http://leeadamaisacylon.blogspot.com/2005/09/gritty-reality-or-just-disgusting.html) read it if you wish. :Nsalute:


Speaking only for myself, and not for the moderators, I think your post does a disservice to them because the other side was allowed its say for a decent interval period after the decision was made. They didn't need any "imploring" to listen to the other side, because that courtesy and deference was granted even when they could have said that after the decision was made, there wouldn't be a decent interval period for people to comment on the discussion and whether the decision was valid. Heck, they even went so far as to post a response from Ron Moore himself, so what else must be proved on their part?

And BTW, I did read the "discussion" at your link if it can truly be called that. What I saw was less a discussion and more a case of some nasty remarks aimed at Fleets and TOS fanbase in general, and that's the kind of discussion I personally would have no desire to take part in. Perhaps there are others who might feel differently and more power to those who want to do that, but as far as this place is concerned, enough time has passed for the fallout to elapse from this and there isn't much left to say about it, no matter what your feelings are on the issuew.

[TwoBrainedCylon]

I've also read the opinions of the "slighted" GINO fans and have been wholeheartedly disgusted with the lot of them.

I applaud you LeeAdama_Cylon for your reasoned toned. Unfortunately, I can't see you as representing the bulk of those who have somehow been "harmed" by the decision Don and the staff have made. If I ever were to contemplate asking Don to reconsider his decision I certainly wouldn't now given the vile things said about his staff and him personally, not to mention the outright slanders about the original series fanbase in general.

There is a total of ONE BBoard dedicated to the original Galactica. There's a slew of others all filled with handles that rant and rave how fantastic the show is on a constant basis. Surely the GINO crowd can get their fix somewhere else without imploring Don and the staff to go against their principles and wishes.

Frankly, its not like the GINO crowd wasn't warned enough when all of this was developing. The only thing that has happenned here is that Don reminded everyone who owns the place and who pays the bills.



Sandy

[Stevew]

Sandy
I went back and read some of the tripe that these morons wrote and they all sound like a bunch of 5 year olds that did not get their own way. If these are the type of people that like the new one, they sure fit the mold of the show
S :salute:

[Dawg]

Having read today's entries in this thread (and reading the linked blog), it is my view that:

Just about everyone who posted in that blog has completely missed the point (no great surprise, as there are people who don't want to); and

We don't need to re-hash the discussion we've already had. We've had the positive entries, and we've had the entries by the people who were disappointed by our decision.

The decision was made. The time for this discussion has passed.

Therefore, with thanks to all the participants, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

[Gemini1999]

No fair closing the thread....

I kind of stayed out of this conversation for some time as I thought that it would die down on it's own, but it's taken a few twists and turns, hasn't it?

As for one or any other sites "joining" Fleets in the decision to close down discussion of TNS, I don't think that any one of us ever expected a ripple effect to occur. I know that some would call one site a "ripple", well there it is just the same.

When Don made the decision to close the TNS forum down, the discussion had been going on for quite some time before the FINAL decision to do it - it just happened to be a matter of timing.

I still don't get all the furor on other sites over the decision.... I mean, it didn't take away anyone else's right on other boards to continue discussing it. If the general consensus was that the TNS forum was the "bastard stepchild" of Fleets, why the surprise? I guess to a casual observer, it might of looked that way, but from the inside, I can tell you that I am one person that didn't think of it as such. I was one of those behind the scenes that tried so hard to make it work, but I wasn't alone in that effort.

We expected some kind of backlash and we got it and now it's died down. Don made his decision for his website and everyone has to live with it - including me or anyone else. I do agree with the decision, but we always knew that there was some kind of price attached. Some people left, but others came back and are still coming back. It all seems a wash to me, but it's one that has made running this website and pleasing the current posting membership a much easier task.

From my own personal point of view, I may decide to watch TNS in January and I may choose discussing it, but there sure isn't a shortage of sites to discuss it, but you don't hear me grousing about it.

Fleets is my home too, but it's not mine to run, I'm just one of the stewards that's trying to keep the passengers happy....