View Full Version : Should they re-do the FX in BSG TOS?
peter noble
June 16th, 2005, 03:28 PM
It's poll time!
Gemini1999
June 16th, 2005, 03:31 PM
Peter -
Where's the poll.....?
peter noble
June 16th, 2005, 03:38 PM
Sorry, my browser went screwy but I can see the poll now, tell me if you can't see it.
Best,
Peter
P.S. It's sure hard posting a poll at CF!
Darth Marley
June 16th, 2005, 03:39 PM
I think it would be a great idea.
I bet that some folks could do this kind of a "face lift" as a fan edit.
Fragmentary
June 16th, 2005, 03:40 PM
The effects were cutting edge for their time. They're like a benchmark of the time. I think of them as much a part of the show as the characters and stories, so for me they should stay the same. If it ain't broke...
gmd3d
June 16th, 2005, 03:56 PM
I would like to see the effect improved and added too.
Gemini1999
June 16th, 2005, 04:08 PM
I like the effects the way they are - the repetitious shots don't really get to me in "Saga", but later on....
I voted for leaving the majority in, but re-shooting the repetitions (but I want them to look like they belong there like they did with the SFX in the reworked version of ST:TMP).
I would be happy with a "Special Edition" too as I already have the pristine originals.
peter noble
June 16th, 2005, 04:18 PM
I actually voted for two, but three is a good option too. Like Bryan said I've got the original on DVD. and while I'm against people's work bein erased from cinema and TV history (like George Lucas does) this wouldn't be the case IMO if this should happen.
Peter
Darrell Lawrence
June 16th, 2005, 05:37 PM
I voted the third choice, simply because the DVD *are* available in original form, unlike Star Wars.
braxiss
June 16th, 2005, 07:07 PM
leave it alone, i would't want a thing changed(other than tos being cancelled). that's one of my biggest beefs with star wars. after all the changes lucas has done, it's not the same movies i fell in love with
mocha2112
June 17th, 2005, 06:05 AM
Overall, I'd keep the FX as they are for season one. If the show had a second season, or a continuation now, then I would want new/ different shots. That is one of the only redeeming qualities of TNS, it's FX.
I just re-watching a few episodes of TOS the last couples of nights, the effects do really look good. Watching the episodes in order, I got all the way to "Gun on Ice Planet Zero" before I noticed those little boxes around the Cylon fighters and vipers. ;)
Just a brief aside, I thought the shot of the mountain blowing up was on of the best effects like ever. I mean, really. Am I crazy or did that not really look like a mountain blew up? :)
later...
gmd3d
June 17th, 2005, 06:55 AM
"Gun on Ice Planet Zero" is one of my fav episodes and the shuttle crash is one of the best effect from the series IMHO. :)
Titon
June 17th, 2005, 09:14 AM
I'd like to see Saga redone a bit with cg to explain what happened to the other Battlestars.
From there i'd love to see some of the Effects redone.
shugotenshi
June 17th, 2005, 11:25 AM
I think that they should do some touch up of the f/x and redo f/x shots that are repeating with new shots that are in the same style as the old f/x shots.
mocha2112
June 17th, 2005, 12:45 PM
"Gun on Ice Planet Zero" is one of my fav episodes and the shuttle crash is one of the best effect from the series IMHO. :)
Yes, that was done well as too. So was Cree's viper going down. Actually, all of the FX in that episode were very well done and stand up even today. At least I think so.
;) later...
gmd3d
June 17th, 2005, 01:10 PM
I remember watching it and loving the reactions of Starbuck when he recovered from the crash.. I also enjoyed the atmosphere of surviving on the frozen planet..
Lara
June 17th, 2005, 09:40 PM
A bit of tidying up wouldn't go astray. The original is already out and available, and it wouldn't detract from that to replace the most overused repeated shots.
Cheers,
Lara
larocque6689
June 17th, 2005, 10:31 PM
If they could digitally erase Boxey and Daggit out of a few scenes, that would be nice.
Senmut
June 17th, 2005, 10:34 PM
I LIKE Boxey and Muffit! Grrrrrrr.
Senmut
June 17th, 2005, 10:38 PM
Anyway, yes many effects shots could do with a respray. Some of the many-overused shots could be redone, or is there some footage never used at all? Modern CG could do wonders with the SOL, and the Ambush at Cimtar. The attack on the Colonies needs some nipping and tucking as well.
cobrastrikelead
June 18th, 2005, 06:12 AM
got a little repititious. And again I will repeat what the pole stated that keeping most of the original FX, while replacing some of the repeat shots which did keep popping up particularly during the space battles repeatedly, was like deja vu. And like I was saying...
TopGun
June 19th, 2005, 04:14 AM
Yeah a Special Edition sounds cool
Charybdis
June 20th, 2005, 08:50 AM
I voted for #3 just because it would be cool if they did release a BSG Special Edition on DVD like many have said. That would be cool!
originalsinner
June 28th, 2005, 12:19 AM
It be a cool idea to add more vipers and raiders to some shots! A Special Edition BSG for the 30th nova yahren would be cool on DVD or the Big Screen!!!
Eric Paddon
June 28th, 2005, 12:28 AM
A big fat N-O for reasons that are not best summarized in the phrase "the show is perfect as is." I am in that category of people that has no use for any end product being altered from a product of the time it was created in an attempt to update it with new FX. That is why I never had any use for any of the Star Wars Special Editions and will watch only the original cuts transferred from Laserdisc to DVD, because a movie should remain a product of the time it was created IMO. It's one thing to restore dramatic scenes cut from a movie for a new edition because that constitutes restoring material substantive to the storyline that was shot at the time the film was (which is why its interesting to see the extended telemovie cuts for the two part episodes), but to do any kind of FX makeover is IMO a terrible idea on general principle whether its Galactica or anything else. My enjoyment of Galactica is never lessened by seeing a repetitive FX shot, it's the merits of the story that ultimately decides whether its good or bad and nothing else.
Sept17th
June 28th, 2005, 12:50 AM
Not having done a special edition DVD for the 25th anniversary with a combination of original FX and some CGI is another Universal mistake. I believe had Universal done that we wouldn’t have GINO now.
Titon
June 28th, 2005, 04:44 AM
I believe you can enhance what was. Not persay *change* anything. Keep the original as is and add in scenes that we've all thought about over the years. How did the Galactica so easily slip away while the other Battlestar's didn't even move? I realize that she was able to launch her vipers in order to protect her but from what i could see the Galactica's vipers were all over the place. So did the other ships take the brunt of the battle so the Galactica could escape?
I for one would love to see that expanded battle. NOT delete or change any of the present scenes but add to them.
;)
gmd3d
June 28th, 2005, 06:02 AM
I believe you can enhance what was. Not persay *change* anything. Keep the original as is and add in scenes that we've all thought about over the years. How did the Galactica so easily slip away while the other Battlestar's didn't even move? I realize that she was able to launch her vipers in order to protect her but from what i could see the Galactica's vipers were all over the place. So did the other ships take the brunt of the battle so the Galactica could escape?
I for one would love to see that expanded battle. NOT delete or change any of the present scenes but add to them.
;)
Me to I would like the first battle expanded, the landing bays of other Battlestars aflame or something. seeing Starbuck and boomer manuver there Vipers around
trying to keep the raiders off guard
nextceo
June 28th, 2005, 07:55 AM
I vote no... I don't like changing the original elements of a show or movie after it has already been made. Remake or continue or whatever, sure start over from scratch with the FX, but i don't like changing something already made (like the additional scenes in the Star Wars trilogy in the DVD and theatrical rerelease). Perhaps add as an option to include when viewing the movie or eps, but allow someone to watch the original cut and FX.
gmd3d
June 28th, 2005, 08:07 AM
I have the DVD set from the reedited Starwars and while I like most of the added scenes and effects, Theres only one from A New Hope I don't like and thats the way the fight between Vader and Obwan was made to speed up and extended soom how.. and thats it.
the other add scenes I like a lot.
The Falcon lifting off and blasting away from its dock
The Larger room of stormtroopers and Han chasing the troopers. OOpss bad idea. :rotf:
The redone attack on the Deathstar, the Xwings had a looser formation . Other little bits i enjoyed :)
Gemini1999
June 28th, 2005, 09:10 AM
I have the DVD set from the reedited Starwars and while I like most of the added scenes and effects, Theres only one from A New Hope I don't like and thats the way the fight between Vader and Obwan was made to speed up and extended soom how.. and thats it.
the other add scenes I like a lot.
The Falcon lifting off and blasting away from its dock
The Larger room of stormtroopers and Han chasing the troopers. OOpss bad idea. :rotf:
The redone attack on the Deathstar, the Xwings had a looser formation . Other little bits i enjoyed :)
Taranis -
I liked the improved shot of the flight of X and Y-wings approaching the Death Star. You could even see the movements of the pilots thru the cockpit windows. I also liked the new shots during the battle over the Death Star. The movements of the fighters were much better and the shots of higher quality. There were a few in the original release that looked very "model like" (not that it ever bothered me).
I guess when it came to subtle changes and improvements, I liked them, but replacing entire scenes or "re-writing" them digitally that bothered me.
Bryan
gmd3d
June 28th, 2005, 09:21 AM
same here. I like the added shot to StarTrek TMP, The shot of the Enterprise from a few diffreant angles and views of the ship etc .. all add to the experance and removed none of the films orignal feel or style..
I would like to see added scenes to the TOS keeping the show as it was and just adding to the overall
experance. :)
nextceo
June 28th, 2005, 09:27 AM
I agree with you I have liked some changes, then others seemed to much. With DVD technology where it is, I would just like when you make changes to a released film that you offer an option to view the movie with or without the additions or changed scenes. So you can appreciate the original vision as well as the changes.
Gemini1999
June 28th, 2005, 10:22 AM
same here. I like the added shots to StarTrek TMP, The shot of the Enterprise from a few different angles and views of the ship etc .. all add to the experience and removed none of the film's original feel or style.
Taranis -
An excellent point. ST:TMP is an excellent example of reworking a film's effects without them taking attention from the film itself. Given that TMP was rushed in production to get it out to theaters in 1979 didn't allow them the time to do some of the shots as well as they would have liked. It was great that they went back and redid the shots with modern CG technology and made them look like the shots were made at the same time the film was. Everything looked great and fit perfectly.
If they ever re-made some of the SFX shots for Saga of a Star World or any of the other TOS eps, if it was done in the same fashion as TMP, I don't think that you would get many complaints. (Some, but not many :D )
Best,
Bryan
peter noble
June 28th, 2005, 10:31 AM
I agree that ST: TMP is the perfect example of meshing digital FX with trad FX.
With the work done there the bar was raised very, very high IMO.
Titon
June 28th, 2005, 10:55 AM
In fact alot of that FX in ST:TMP was from Lee Stringer from the old Foundation Imaging team.
:)
In fact Lee is in the commentary of the special features on the DVD.
Gemini1999
June 28th, 2005, 10:57 AM
In fact alot of that FX in ST:TMP was from Lee Stringer from the old Foundation Imaging team.
In fact Lee is in the commentary of the special features on the DVD.
I know what I want to watch tonight.....! ;)
gmd3d
June 28th, 2005, 12:41 PM
In fact alot of that FX in ST:TMP was from Lee Stringer from the old Foundation Imaging team.
:)
In fact Lee is in the commentary of the special features on the DVD.
i have watch the special features more than the film and the reworking of the TMP
I to agree with peter as to the bar been raised to a new level... I really could not see
where the old ended and the new begain..
The Vger scene with the tendrals of engery building into the walk ways for the crew and the Enterprise passage through the Vger ship where the high points.
Thats something that could be handled easly ...
Just a thought
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